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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2021 14:36:36 GMT
Personally, I think the best ending is Synthesis. 1. It has the least deaths. It does? Look at the playthrough in my signature. Would you agree with what you posted if I chose the green instead of the red? With the ems setup the way it currently is in the remaster, I could have nearly all squadmates dead, 0 krogan war assets, the geth or quarians dead while still getting the green, if I were to choose it.
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Post by bayni on Jun 22, 2021 16:28:25 GMT
Personally, I think the best ending is Synthesis. 1. It has the least deaths. Refuse kills everyone so it is a nonstarter, Destroys commits genocide on all synthetics (and my personal favorite race), and even Control technically kills two beings since both Shepard and Catalyst die to be replaced with Shepalyst. Meanwhile Synthesis just has one death: Shepard. And yea it sucks that they can’t live happily ever after with their LI (Kelly in my case), but considering how my Shepard was all about bringing everyone together and how Kelly hoped that everyone could understand each other, my Shepard would die doing what they dreamed and Kelly I feel would mourn but also love Shepard for their sacrifice. I’m sure many others like Garrus would feel the same. 2. It is the ending the stops the Reaper threat the most. While Destroy ends them now, as I said it proved their point and at some time in the future a similar situation will rise again and reach the same if not worse solution. And Control leaves the possibility of them going back to their old ways. Meanwhile Synthesis defeats them by removing the reason for what they were created to do, so they will never go back to harvesting. 3. The galaxy is at its best point. I know all the negatives people try to bring up, but the game explicitly shows those arguments are invalid. People still have the soul of who they are. And as we see in the slideshow the galactic races reach a new level of peace and prosperity. Things like the Morgan rebuilding, the Geth and Quarians (who are unmasked in this ending) living together in peace, etc. Even some small things are good, like Kasumi being reunited with Keiji thanks to the change. Even all the past cycles are now alive in the sense the Reapers allow access to their culture, history, etc. It was such a good ending for everyone that people used that as an argument for why it shouldn’t be canon, since “future games would have no conflict”. Speaking of future games, Andromeda also shows it is not the horror show some people try to say it is as we see with Ryder and SAM. There are more and I could go into far more detail, but I think that’s good to start with. Thank you for your opinion, I didn't start this thread to debate all the crappy endings, it was to find others to talk to about what I experienced emotionally. However I did invite anyone to come and enjoy the post. It seems to me that Refuse would have been your better ending because your favorite race would have lived on in a perfect galaxy, because organics will always fight and have conflict with each other. Even the blended machine people will fight with each other. Basically all these ends are a For right now fix. green Krogan will still fight, that is what they are bred to do. there is no perfect utopia not with organics. I am sorry that I feel that the machines are an acceptable loss to save the many and preserve life the way it is. And to be super technical, none of these races should have even been up lifted by the reapers. So for me, killing off the murderbots and loosing the geth is what feels right to me.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 22, 2021 17:12:40 GMT
Personally, I think the best ending is Synthesis. 1. It has the least deaths. Refuse kills everyone so it is a nonstarter, Destroys commits genocide on all synthetics (and my personal favorite race), and even Control technically kills two beings since both Shepard and Catalyst die to be replaced with Shepalyst. Meanwhile Synthesis just has one death: Shepard. And yea it sucks that they can’t live happily ever after with their LI (Kelly in my case), but considering how my Shepard was all about bringing everyone together and how Kelly hoped that everyone could understand each other, my Shepard would die doing what they dreamed and Kelly I feel would mourn but also love Shepard for their sacrifice. I’m sure many others like Garrus would feel the same. 2. It is the ending the stops the Reaper threat the most. While Destroy ends them now, as I said it proved their point and at some time in the future a similar situation will rise again and reach the same if not worse solution. And Control leaves the possibility of them going back to their old ways. Meanwhile Synthesis defeats them by removing the reason for what they were created to do, so they will never go back to harvesting. 3. The galaxy is at its best point. I know all the negatives people try to bring up, but the game explicitly shows those arguments are invalid. People still have the soul of who they are. And as we see in the slideshow the galactic races reach a new level of peace and prosperity. Things like the Morgan rebuilding, the Geth and Quarians (who are unmasked in this ending) living together in peace, etc. Even some small things are good, like Kasumi being reunited with Keiji thanks to the change. Even all the past cycles are now alive in the sense the Reapers allow access to their culture, history, etc. It was such a good ending for everyone that people used that as an argument for why it shouldn’t be canon, since “future games would have no conflict”. Speaking of future games, Andromeda also shows it is not the horror show some people try to say it is as we see with Ryder and SAM. There are more and I could go into far more detail, but I think that’s good to start with. Thank you for your opinion, I didn't start this thread to debate all the crappy endings, it was to find others to talk to about what I experienced emotionally. However I did invite anyone to come and enjoy the post I think you will find that the emotional experience a lot of players felt regarding the endings was quite negative. Believe it or not, the reaction here is very mild compared to what it was back in 2012.
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Post by Julilla on Jun 22, 2021 17:17:56 GMT
You have good questions on the Destroy ending. I wonder myself if anyone else is still alive on the Citadel once the arms closed. I know we're beamed into an unfamiliar place on the Citadel, but I wonder that if anyone was still alive on the Citadel, would they be able to get to you if you're in an area they don't even know exists? We see a Keeper in there, so I wonder what will happen to them, perhaps they can communicate with each other and without their Reaper shackles communicate with those on the Citadel to lead them to where Shep is?
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2021 17:27:37 GMT
You have good questions on the Destroy ending. I wonder myself if anyone else is still alive on the Citadel once the arms closed. I know we're beamed into an unfamiliar place on the Citadel, but I wonder that if anyone was still alive on the Citadel, would they be able to get to you if you're in an area they don't even know exists? Patrick Weekes can answer that question. I also believe that someone from C-sec, likely Bailey might be the one to find Shepard. Or maybe one of his men who informs Bailey they found a survivor. By the time Bailey shows up, he sees Shepard being put on a stretcher..
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 22, 2021 17:44:43 GMT
I am a fellow Destroyer here. My (mostly paragon) Shepard will not choose destroy lightly. It is simply the only one of a bunch of bad options he can take at this point for several reasons: 1. The catalyst is not necessarily a trustworthy exposition giver to my Shepard. Metagame the endings all you want, at the time Shepard has to make the choice and gets all the information from the Catalyst, there is no guarantee that starkid doesn't still underhandedly promote a hidden agenda of the reapers. That means that even choosing destroy is not necessarily going to work as expected but at least it is the option that will not have Shepard unwittingly collaborate with the reapers. It is also the one the catalyst tries to talk you out of the most, which in itself makes it more likely to succeed in ending the cycle the catalyst promoted. Of course, there is also refuse but at this point, the game did make it clear over and over again that without using the crucible, we never stood a chance in the first place, so there really is nothing to win by refusing at this point. 2. Even if we assume everything the catalyst tells us is true, my Shepard has to stand against both Control and Synthesis on moral grounds (which of course are subjective in the end but for my Shepard and everything they stood for it does make the most sense). For three games (but especially in the last one) my Shepard stood for self determination of individuals and species. It is hammered down again and again that it is our differences that make us stronger if we embrace them and use them while working together. Both Synthesis and Control go directly against this core belief. Both are trying to "solve the problem" by some sort of Gleichschaltung.
Control does it through external force, applied through the reaper overlords, imposing Shepard's belief system across the galaxy. Even if the belief system itself is "good", imposing it through force is wrong. My Shepard chastised the Illusive Man for his view that the end justifies the means, well Control is giving in to that exact mindset. Synthesis is even worse IMO, as it violates every individual on a most basic level. And even though the ending slides show that somehow, everything seems to work out for the best in Synthesis, even then, I don't buy it. The galaxy in Mass Effect has been shown to be too big and too diverse for me to believe that everyone will just accept a fundamental change of their own body on the cellular level without issues. What about religiously inclined people, more nature-connected people, hell, what about simple Luddites? I may not agree with their belief system but according to everything my Shepard said before in this game (not to mention my personal stance as a player), I have to respect their world views nonetheless. I cannot see everyone just being happy, I always have to think about those people who would feel really violated, trying to claw their own green eyes out. And that's not even mentioning all those pre-spaceflight species, that don't even have context to this change and wouldn't know what's going on. How traumatic must that be? The only way I could see this work would be if Synthesis also imposes some sort of mind alteration, which would be even worse. It would erase individuality altogether to some extent. IIRC, the catalyst says that it would impose some form of understanding but even that means that it enforces a way of thinking onto trillions of individuals. I'd rather hold with Legion there, who said that (paraphrasing) how we build our future is just as (if not more) important as getting there in the end. The way I see it, there are two huge negatives to destroy: a) Loosing the geth and EDI. As for EDI, I know that she would be the first to agree with my Shepard to choose destroy. In the conversations you have with her, she tells you outright that when she learned what it means to choose for yourself, to be an individual, she realized that it was the most precious thing in the universe and that she would rather die then to give that up again. Well, now she is being sacrificed to ensure that this kind of freedom of choice is maintained for others and I am convinced, if she was there, she'd do it in a heartbeat. The geth are a more complicated story. In the end, as I wrote in the beginning of the post, it boils down to the least of a bunch of bad options and I will not deny that the geth are a tough issue with Destroy. b ) We destroy the reapers which apparently hold the knowladge and combined racial identity of a whole bunch of otherwise extinct species. However, I will argue that the knowladge alone is not as precious as one might first think. Remember, those species developed in the same cycle structure as ours did, they dropped into the same trap of relying on reaper technology as we did. Their knowladge will not differ all that much from ours in a pure sense of technology. So what about their individuality and culture. Well, again, that's a tough one but my impression at least is that there cannot be that much left of it. After all, the reapers seem to all act in perfect unison under the directives of the catalyst. They do this after the species, the reaper comes from have themselves experienced the horrors of a reaper invasion and harvesting. How all those different species could maintain their previous self awareness and still follow along is just not believable in the end. So I don't quite know what kind of Gestalt intellect really resides in those reaper forms but I am not convinced that the original species is really maintained. Assuming that the catalyst control the reaper form but some identity is still lying underneath, the only way to even have the possibility to get to it would be though Synthesis (Control would just maintain whatever force is controlling them under new management). And then it would become a trade off of maintaining some vague idea of a past species vs. the violation of every individual we know exists here and now. My Shepard would not be willing to make that gamble with the lives he promised to protect earlier (and nothing was ever promised to the reapers btw). So there you have it. it's far from an ideal situation but weighing all those factors, there really was only one way to go in the end.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2021 18:07:57 GMT
My Shepard isn't against diversity. He simply accepts the Geth and Edi as collateral damage in order to destroy the Reapers. Besides Synthetics will exist again in a post destroy ending so diversity will be intact. AIs will be built again, even the Catalyst says it so. And by this logic, Synthesis is also against diversity. It removes both pure Synthetics and Organics from the galaxy by creating a new type of life. Only cyborgs exist. It's far more against diversity than Destroy. But it wouldn't be the same AIs. You still committed genocide on countless beings, many innocent of any wrongdoing. So that diversity is still gone and can never be replaced. Meanwhile Synthesis still has all the diversity. Krogan are still krogan, asari are still asari, geth are still geth, etc. Well... that's good. If I wanted to be berated and belittled, I would not be here and instead be on Reddit. You seem very very fixated on Synthesis and are using exceptionally strong language. I'll take this opportunity to remind you that this is a video game, not real life, and advocating for one ending or another does not mean they are a) racist b ) or advocate for genocide in real life. Strong language? Where? Also where have I said that people choosing this means they think that way in real life. Now certainly there are some (trust me, I've seen plenty of people that cause concern with how much they support atrocious actions both here and in other fandoms), but I never accused anyone here of that. Personally, I think the best ending is Synthesis. 1. It has the least deaths. It does? Look at the playthrough in my signature. Would you agree with what you posted if I chose the green instead of the red? With the ems setup the way it currently is in the remaster, I could have nearly all squadmates dead, 0 krogan war assets, the geth or quarians dead while still getting the green, if I were to choose it. I was talking about just the choice itself, not the events leading up to it. Though to answer your question, the answer is still yes because Synthesis still just adds one, Control 2, and Destroy at the very least one billion with the deaths of the Virtual Aliens. And that's not counting all the other synthetic races out there that we don't know about, or the Reapers themselves.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2021 18:19:02 GMT
Personally, I think the best ending is Synthesis. 1. It has the least deaths. Refuse kills everyone so it is a nonstarter, Destroys commits genocide on all synthetics (and my personal favorite race), and even Control technically kills two beings since both Shepard and Catalyst die to be replaced with Shepalyst. Meanwhile Synthesis just has one death: Shepard. And yea it sucks that they can’t live happily ever after with their LI (Kelly in my case), but considering how my Shepard was all about bringing everyone together and how Kelly hoped that everyone could understand each other, my Shepard would die doing what they dreamed and Kelly I feel would mourn but also love Shepard for their sacrifice. I’m sure many others like Garrus would feel the same. 2. It is the ending the stops the Reaper threat the most. While Destroy ends them now, as I said it proved their point and at some time in the future a similar situation will rise again and reach the same if not worse solution. And Control leaves the possibility of them going back to their old ways. Meanwhile Synthesis defeats them by removing the reason for what they were created to do, so they will never go back to harvesting. 3. The galaxy is at its best point. I know all the negatives people try to bring up, but the game explicitly shows those arguments are invalid. People still have the soul of who they are. And as we see in the slideshow the galactic races reach a new level of peace and prosperity. Things like the Morgan rebuilding, the Geth and Quarians (who are unmasked in this ending) living together in peace, etc. Even some small things are good, like Kasumi being reunited with Keiji thanks to the change. Even all the past cycles are now alive in the sense the Reapers allow access to their culture, history, etc. It was such a good ending for everyone that people used that as an argument for why it shouldn’t be canon, since “future games would have no conflict”. Speaking of future games, Andromeda also shows it is not the horror show some people try to say it is as we see with Ryder and SAM. There are more and I could go into far more detail, but I think that’s good to start with. Thank you for your opinion, I didn't start this thread to debate all the crappy endings, it was to find others to talk to about what I experienced emotionally. However I did invite anyone to come and enjoy the post. It seems to me that Refuse would have been your better ending because your favorite race would have lived on in a perfect galaxy, because organics will always fight and have conflict with each other. Even the blended machine people will fight with each other. Basically all these ends are a For right now fix. green Krogan will still fight, that is what they are bred to do. there is no perfect utopia not with organics. I am sorry that I feel that the machines are an acceptable loss to save the many and preserve life the way it is. And to be super technical, none of these races should have even been up lifted by the reapers. So for me, killing off the murderbots and loosing the geth is what feels right to me. You are welcome. Thank you for being civil while discussing this. As for Refuse, no that's easily my least favorite. It sacrifices everyone for nothing, a much worse version of Destroy but with no gain. And the next cycle just uses the Crucible anyway. So I don't know what you mean about them living on in a perfect galaxy? I do agree that there wouldn't be an utopia. In fact that's another reason I prefer Synthesis is because it opens up so many possibilities for storytelling that wouldn't be possible in Destroy, Control, or Refuse. By none of these species should have been uplifted by the Reapers, who do you mean?
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 22, 2021 18:21:10 GMT
Where is that ever stated? It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed as well. The crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic.
From the codex: Biotics manipulate mass effect fields using dozens of element zero nodules within their nervous system that react to electric stimuli from the brain. Amplifiers allow biotics to synchronize the nodules so they can form fields large and strong enough for practical use. Amplifiers can improve a specific discipline or talent. An implant is surgically-embedded interface port into which amps are "plugged in". On humans, the implant is usually placed at the base of the skull for convenient access, though the user must be careful to keep it free of contaminants.In ME1 Kaidan mentioned that he would need risky brain surgery to upgrade his L2 implants. There is considerable room for interpretation in that statement and since Tali as well as the biotics on the Normandy can show up alive and well in the memorial scene, I'd say there is no doubt that they're fine.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 22, 2021 18:25:22 GMT
It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed as well. The crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic.
From the codex: Biotics manipulate mass effect fields using dozens of element zero nodules within their nervous system that react to electric stimuli from the brain. Amplifiers allow biotics to synchronize the nodules so they can form fields large and strong enough for practical use. Amplifiers can improve a specific discipline or talent. An implant is surgically-embedded interface port into which amps are "plugged in". On humans, the implant is usually placed at the base of the skull for convenient access, though the user must be careful to keep it free of contaminants.In ME1 Kaidan mentioned that he would need risky brain surgery to upgrade his L2 implants. There is considerable room for interpretation in that statement and since Tali as well as the biotics on the Normandy can show up alive and well in the memorial scene, I'd say there is no doubt that they're fine. Maybe a lot more are fine, than we are led to believe by the starbrat.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 22, 2021 18:28:10 GMT
There is considerable room for interpretation in that statement and since Tali as well as the biotics on the Normandy can show up alive and well in the memorial scene, I'd say there is no doubt that they're fine. Maybe a lot more are fine, than we are led to believe by the starbrat. Well, EDI's name does show up on the memorial wall in the Destroy ending and all slides that could show the geth are eliminated from the Destroy epilogue, so I'd say it's reasonably sure that the devs intended for the catalyst to tell you exactly what would happen.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 22, 2021 18:29:26 GMT
Maybe a lot more are fine, than we are led to believe by the starbrat. Well, EDI's name does show up on the memorial wall in the Destroy ending and all slides that could show the geth are eliminated from the Destroy epilogue, so I'd say it's reasonably sure that the devs intended for the catalyst to tell you exactly what would happen. They'll be fine.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2021 18:33:02 GMT
It is now in your power to destroy us. But be warned, others will be destroyed as well. The crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic.
From the codex: Biotics manipulate mass effect fields using dozens of element zero nodules within their nervous system that react to electric stimuli from the brain. Amplifiers allow biotics to synchronize the nodules so they can form fields large and strong enough for practical use. Amplifiers can improve a specific discipline or talent. An implant is surgically-embedded interface port into which amps are "plugged in". On humans, the implant is usually placed at the base of the skull for convenient access, though the user must be careful to keep it free of contaminants.In ME1 Kaidan mentioned that he would need risky brain surgery to upgrade his L2 implants. There is considerable room for interpretation in that statement and since Tali as well as the biotics on the Normandy can show up alive and well in the memorial scene, I'd say there is no doubt that they're fine. Yeah, they got too scared so stopped from doing what the ending was supposed to do. I wonder how many people would still pick Destroy if they actually followed through on that. That would mean all quarians and non-asari (their biotics are natural) biotics are dead, as well as anyone else with synthetic bits. Of the Normandy crew alone that would mean Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Kasumi, and Zaeed would also be among the dead.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2021 18:42:25 GMT
Well, EDI's name does show up on the memorial wall in the Destroy ending and all slides that could show the geth are eliminated from the Destroy epilogue, so I'd say it's reasonably sure that the devs intended for the catalyst to tell you exactly what would happen. They'll be fine. No they won’t. The Legendary Edition still has them dead, and that was the definitive version of the story. They fixed nothing, ruined some things that were good, and now have thrown the trilogy away.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 22, 2021 18:46:17 GMT
There is considerable room for interpretation in that statement and since Tali as well as the biotics on the Normandy can show up alive and well in the memorial scene, I'd say there is no doubt that they're fine. Yeah, they got too scared so stopped from doing what the ending was supposed to do. I wonder how many people would still pick Destroy if they actually followed through on that. That would mean all quarians and non-asari (their biotics are natural) biotics are dead, as well as anyone else with synthetic bits. Of the Normandy crew alone that would mean Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Kasumi, and Zaeed would also be among the dead. Again, there is considerable room for interpretation in the catalysts explanations. I don't see a plot issue in the fact that different technologies and different applications might be affected in different ways.
Also, just by the way, Asari need implants and amps just like everyone else. In ME1, you equip Liara with an amp, just like Kaidan and Wrex and the Serrrice Council is even known for making the best biotic amps around.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2021 18:51:21 GMT
Yeah, they got too scared so stopped from doing what the ending was supposed to do. I wonder how many people would still pick Destroy if they actually followed through on that. That would mean all quarians and non-asari (their biotics are natural) biotics are dead, as well as anyone else with synthetic bits. Of the Normandy crew alone that would mean Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Kasumi, and Zaeed would also be among the dead. Again, there is considerable room for interpretation in the catalysts explanations. I don't see a plot issue in the fact that different technologies and different applications might be affected in different ways.
Also, just by the way, Asari need implants and amps just like everyone else. In ME1, you equip Liara with an amp, just like Kaidan and Wrex and the Serrrice Council is even known for making the best biotic amps around.
I forgot about Wrex. Thank you. Yeah he’d de dead too. The lore says they are naturally able to use their biotic. Liara being equipped amps in ME1 was gameplay-lore segregation (equipping amps at all was considering in lore swapping them is a very dangerous surgical procedure). And people can make something without needing it for themselves.
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Post by Julilla on Jun 22, 2021 18:51:39 GMT
Thank you so much for that! For anyone else, the question of the Citadel comes in at about 44:16. edited to add: in the vid posted by themikefest
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Jun 22, 2021 18:53:33 GMT
bayni: Your first forum community is the BSN? Now that’s definitely diving in at the deep end - we’re always about one comment away from a full on brawl around here! I kid of course! It’s a fun place to hang out, though it definitely has its own unique brand of forum insanity to deal with. Welcome to the crew!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 22, 2021 18:55:38 GMT
No they won’t. The Legendary Edition still has them dead, and that was the definitive version of the story. They fixed nothing, ruined some things that were good, and now have thrown the trilogy away. It's only a flesh wound.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2021 18:57:34 GMT
No they won’t. The Legendary Edition still has them dead, and that was the definitive version of the story. They fixed nothing, ruined some things that were good, and now have thrown the trilogy away. It's only a flesh wound. And just like the knight who uttered those words, they are ones that will always be that way and never heal.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 22, 2021 18:58:11 GMT
Again, there is considerable room for interpretation in the catalysts explanations. I don't see a plot issue in the fact that different technologies and different applications might be affected in different ways.
Also, just by the way, Asari need implants and amps just like everyone else. In ME1, you equip Liara with an amp, just like Kaidan and Wrex and the Serrrice Council is even known for making the best biotic amps around.
I forgot about Wrex. Thank you. Yeah he’d de dead too. The lore says they are naturally able to use their biotic. Liara being equipped amps in ME1 was gameplay-lore segregation (equipping amps at all was considering in lore swapping them is a very dangerous surgical procedure). And people can make something without needing it for themselves. My guess is that "naturally biotic" is referring to the fact that eezo is naturally occurring in Thessia's life cycle, therefore, all Asari are born with the eezo nodules in their nervous system that enable biotics. In contrast, humans for example would need to be artificially exposed to eezo in the womb (e.g. because of a drive core explosion int eh planet's atmosphere). This however does not mean that they would not need implants (unless I am missing something that is written in the codex somewhere else).
But we are getting a bit off topic.
s for everyone being dead, well, again, some of them are at the memorial, no one, except for EDI is on the wall and the catalyst never was specific enough to draw any other definite conclusions, so I still do not quite understand your line of reasoning, but ok, if you want to think everybody died, that's ok, too, I guess (though this thread was technically about emotional support ).
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 22, 2021 18:59:25 GMT
I wonder how many people would still pick Destroy if they actually followed through on that. I think it would have changed little. The death of war criminals who killed entire towns of civilians and expecially kids and simple tourists ina rebellion when they could just download themselves on the computer of a ship and leave Rannoch is no big deal. And, is how I see the Geth, as much as I like them. War criminals at the very least.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2021 19:12:06 GMT
I forgot about Wrex. Thank you. Yeah he’d de dead too. The lore says they are naturally able to use their biotic. Liara being equipped amps in ME1 was gameplay-lore segregation (equipping amps at all was considering in lore swapping them is a very dangerous surgical procedure). And people can make something without needing it for themselves. My guess is that "naturally biotic" is referring to the fact that eezo is naturally occurring in Thessia's life cycle, therefore, all Asari are born with the eezo nodules in their nervous system that enable biotics. In contrast, humans for example would need to be artificially exposed to eezo in the womb (e.g. because of a drive core explosion int eh planet's atmosphere). This however does not mean that they would not need implants (unless I am missing something that is written in the codex somewhere else).
But we are getting a bit off topic.
s for everyone being dead, well, again, some of them are at the memorial, no one, except for EDI is on the wall and the catalyst never was specific enough to draw any other definite conclusions, so I still do not quite understand your line of reasoning, but ok, if you want to think everybody died, that's ok, too, I guess (though this thread was technically about emotional support ). Its mentioned a few times. For example they reproduce with biotics, so they’ve been able to use them long before they developed amps. And I know nobody I listed is dead in Destroy. That was my point. They should have been, but BioWare chickened out and went just synthetics instead. So was wondering if it would be a lot less popular in Shepard and many of their friends/LIs would be dead too. I wonder how many people would still pick Destroy if they actually followed through on that. I think it would have changed little. The death of war criminals who killed entire towns of civilians and expecially kids and simple tourists ina rebellion when they could just download themselves on the computer of a ship and leave Rannoch is no big deal. And, is how I see the Geth, as much as I like them. War criminals at the very least. Read what I put again please. I was saying if Destroy also killed everyone who was partly synthetic.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 22, 2021 19:21:45 GMT
Read what I put again please. I was saying if Destroy also killed everyone who was partly synthetic. English is not my language, and I may have read wrong. Still doesn't change how I think about how it would have changed if the Destroy had a slide with offline Geth to make their destruction more effective. As for others...well, is a war. Losses are expected. The entire game go on and on and on about how many losses we are going to have to win this war for survival.
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Post by sugarless on Jun 22, 2021 21:39:58 GMT
What I never fully understood about synthetics such as Legion or EDI dying, is why they couldn't be repaired - machines can be broken, can they not be repaired? If Shepard can be brought back from death why can't Legion/Geth and EDI? I don't know, maybe I missed some information in the codex or in a book related to this series.
I always head cannon that those synthetics will be repaired and retrieved at some point after the events on Earth and with this I feel justified choosing Destroy every single playthrough.
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