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Post by explorerclass on Jun 27, 2021 21:23:15 GMT
The more time goes on, the more faith I have that they may not force us to go with destroy. It goes against the themes and makes Shepard pretty terrible, so I’m heavily against that ending in a moral basis and I’d rather have no new Me than them ruin Shepard’s story by literally making him commit genocide, even killing his own friends, and actually act like he’s a decent person.
And the more time goes on, the more and more likely it seems possible that they aren’t forcing THAT to be the canon ending to his story. Time and distance from the trailer make it seem possible they aren’t locking us with that.
So I wish they’d just be straight forward and say “yes. That’s the canon” so I could at least spend this time getting over the death of ME instead of wasting time hoping for it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 11:02:27 GMT
I'm pretty sure Ark six will retcon the endings out.
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Post by explorerclass on Jun 28, 2021 21:13:48 GMT
I'm pretty sure Ark six will retcon the endings out. I could see them somehow retconning the endings and I’d be fine with that, over destroy. But either way, I’d rather BioWare be straightforward early on. My point was from my point of view but the full intent is, even if it’s synthesis and it goes with the story/writing and such; there will be those who played for the RP elements not the narrative. And they’ll be very let down to see their decision to live at any cost even friends; now just doesn’t matter.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 21:31:12 GMT
I'm pretty sure Ark six will retcon the endings out. I could see them somehow retconning the endings and I’d be fine with that, over destroy. But either way, I’d rather BioWare be straightforward early on. My point was from my point of view but the full intent is, even if it’s synthesis and it goes with the story/writing and such; there will be those who played for the RP elements not the narrative. And they’ll be very let down to see their decision to live at any cost even friends; now just doesn’t matter. It's going to be a half life Alyx kind of situation. Liara is there to give Ark 6 the message of what happened, so they can go back and unfuck the galaxy, from the Reaper war, thus starting a timeloop. So the Reaper war happens, everything transpires as the game we played, but the ending is changed. Ark 6 still leaves the galaxy, before the events take place. Liara will be full recruitable member, back in the timeline. Maybe you'll get some cameos, unlikely and pointless, since Shepard is in lockdown, the rest of the crew has fucked off to wherever and we won't be there to witness the start of the war. You won't romance Liara this time. Which also throws out the tweet by Mike Gamble that we would know who the armoured figure in the trailer is. "Oh, it's the new guy that we know nothing of, or about". Big fucking reveal ...
New cast, new protagonist. All new gay characters for pessimistpanda to romance. Good fucking job Mike. You changed the ending, but you've given me nothing that I care to play. I don't know how many times I've said it, it isn't my job to care, it's Bioware's job to make me care. So far, they're not doing their job.
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Post by explorerclass on Jun 29, 2021 19:39:28 GMT
Well we most likely get new characters but I highly doubt the story is going to time travel.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 29, 2021 19:51:56 GMT
Well we most likely get new characters but I highly doubt the story is going to time travel. It's the only way to undo the endings, without actually referencing them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 20:22:08 GMT
I really don't know how they could possibly be more upfront about it. The GM has declared the Legendary Edition the "definitive" version of the Trilogy and the Extended Cut is the official ending to MELE. All the variations of the ending as they stand in MELE, therefore, stand as is. This practically states out loud that they are side-stepping any reference to individual ones (unless they are going to allow for some way for the player to input their choice. Even if they do allow an input, the references made to the endings in the next game are going to be such that they will not have any major impact on the course the new story line takes.
The writing is on the wall. All that the player base needs to do at this point is accept it.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 30, 2021 4:01:05 GMT
I really don't know how they could possibly be more upfront about it. The GM has declared the Legendary Edition the "definitive" version of the Trilogy and the Extended Cut is the official ending to MELE. All the variations of the ending as they stand in MELE, therefore, stand as is. This practically states out loud that they are side-stepping any reference to individual ones (unless they are going to allow for some way for the player to input their choice. Even if they do allow an input, the references made to the endings in the next game are going to be such that they will not have any major impact on the course the new story line takes.
The writing is on the wall. All that the player base needs to do at this point is accept it.
Then how is t'soni in the teaser if she's dead? If what you say is true, being the official endings, that means a playthrough with t'soni being dead should be valid, right? If not, then what you posted is incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 4:21:48 GMT
I really don't know how they could possibly be more upfront about it. The GM has declared the Legendary Edition the "definitive" version of the Trilogy and the Extended Cut is the official ending to MELE. All the variations of the ending as they stand in MELE, therefore, stand as is. This practically states out loud that they are side-stepping any reference to individual ones (unless they are going to allow for some way for the player to input their choice. Even if they do allow an input, the references made to the endings in the next game are going to be such that they will not have any major impact on the course the new story line takes.
The writing is on the wall. All that the player base needs to do at this point is accept it.
Then how is t'soni in the teaser if she's dead? If what you say is true, being the official endings, that means a playthrough with t'soni being dead should be valid, right? If not, then what you posted is incorrect. Did I say she's dead? I said she's 1,000 years old (600 for the Initiative to get to Andromeda) and perhaps only a few years to make their way back, depending on what technology is found in Andromeda to get them back... worm hole, Relays used by the Reapers to get from "dark space" into the Milky Way every 50,000 years, or some technology made by the Jardaan... there are several possibilities here... we're dealing with speculation over science-fiction after all, aren't we?
What I'm referring to are the 3 basic endings, not the fine EMS details of each one or accounting for who and who was not in the final push to the beam. Asking Bioware to account for every one of those details is a pretty extreme expectation on your part... but then, you're really just shopping for a way to confirm Destroy as the "only ending" to ME3 [shrug]... which they haven't done.
Obviously, the one thing that is going to be retconned is if you let her die in your ending. She's clearly alive in the Teaser. Perhaps she was also a "clone" on the SR2 fighting with a cloned Shepard... and the real Liara put herself and Shepard on an Ark to Andromeda? Although, as I said, I doubt they are going to set up for that amount of detail going forward.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 30, 2021 4:25:10 GMT
Never said you said she was dead. Not in your post you didn't.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 30, 2021 4:25:39 GMT
I really don't know how they could possibly be more upfront about it. The GM has declared the Legendary Edition the "definitive" version of the Trilogy and the Extended Cut is the official ending to MELE. All the variations of the ending as they stand in MELE, therefore, stand as is. This practically states out loud that they are side-stepping any reference to individual ones (unless they are going to allow for some way for the player to input their choice. Even if they do allow an input, the references made to the endings in the next game are going to be such that they will not have any major impact on the course the new story line takes.
The writing is on the wall. All that the player base needs to do at this point is accept it.
Then how is t'soni in the teaser if she's dead? If what you say is true, being the official endings, that means a playthrough with t'soni being dead should be valid, right? If not, then what you posted is incorrect. Just because someone is in the trailer doesn’t mean they’ll be in the game. Ashley and Kaidan appeared in some ME3 trailers, yet in game if they died in ME1 they were still dead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 4:34:49 GMT
Never said you said she was dead. Not in your post you didn't. In a post somewhere else on the same theory, I'm pretty sure I did, but whatev. You're just trying to nitpick again. Also, see Hanako's response above this post and below yours. She has a perfectly valid point as well.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 30, 2021 4:44:57 GMT
Never said you said she was dead. Not in your post you didn't. In a post somewhere else on the same theory, I'm pretty sure I did, but whatev. You're just trying to nitpick again. Also, see Hanako's response above this post and below yours. She has a perfectly valid point as well. It's not nitpicking. You never said what you said in your post I replied to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 4:48:15 GMT
In a post somewhere else on the same theory, I'm pretty sure I did, but whatev. You're just trying to nitpick again. Also, see Hanako's response above this post and below yours. She has a perfectly valid point as well. It's not nitpicking. You never said what you said in your post I replied to. Whatev... [shrug]... Follow one nitpick with another.
ETA: Getting back to my earlier post about the level of detail not likely to be there... Example, the comic to set up the beginning of ME2 never accounts for whether or not the player ever spoke to Conrad or helped Jenna. The ME3 comic assumes the player never recruited Kasumi or Zaeed, even when the option is there to continue preparing the team and results in the statement that everyone, but the crew, survived the SM and when it comes to selecting a love interest for BroShep, there is no option to choose Jack... so, I'm pretty sure that, even if they do a "comic" or "keep" to allow players to input some options (including an ending choice), they are not going to be asking who the player took along on the push to the beam or what their final EMS was.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 30, 2021 5:17:35 GMT
It looks like Synthesis and Control will at least be partly undone, since the reapers in the trailer were dead and no one had shiny green synthetic bits attached to them. I didn't see any geth, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are still around somehow and Destroy not being absolute canon either. There will probably just be a mention of the reaper war and how someone named Shepard just barely stopped them.
I for one hope that they won't advance the Milky Way's timeline for over 600 years. That's 600 years of potential storyline lost and only read as a codex entry, just to catch up with Andromeda. I don't think it's worth it, but then again, I would feel pretty bad if Andromeda fans were left out in the cold. So I'll just sit back and hope they'll make a game that will end with me going back to the main menu and immediately clicking "New Game" again.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 30, 2021 5:23:08 GMT
It looks like Synthesis and Control will at least be partly undone, since the reapers in the trailer were dead and no one had shiny green synthetic bits attached to them. I didn't see any geth, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are still around somehow and Destroy not being absolute canon either. There will probably just be a mention of the reaper war and how someone named Shepard just barely stopped them. I for one hope that they won't advance the Milky Way's timeline for over 600 years. That's 600 years of potential storyline lost and only read as a codex entry, just to catch up with Andromeda. I don't think it's worth it, but then again, I would feel pretty bad if Andromeda fans were left out in the cold. So I'll just sit back and hope they'll make a game that will end with me going back to the main menu and immediately clicking "New Game" again. Not necessarily. Regardless of which ending was chosen, our cycle killed some Reapers during the war. These corpses could be from that. As for the glowing green lines, they could either say they were just metaphorical to better show what happened or they simply faded in time. As for the time jump, well I'd rather we stay in Andromeda but if we have to go back to the Milky Way then yes I'd like to not be tossed aside like garbage (like what they're doing with Dragon Age).
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 30, 2021 5:52:39 GMT
It looks like Synthesis and Control will at least be partly undone, since the reapers in the trailer were dead and no one had shiny green synthetic bits attached to them. I didn't see any geth, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are still around somehow and Destroy not being absolute canon either. There will probably just be a mention of the reaper war and how someone named Shepard just barely stopped them. I for one hope that they won't advance the Milky Way's timeline for over 600 years. That's 600 years of potential storyline lost and only read as a codex entry, just to catch up with Andromeda. I don't think it's worth it, but then again, I would feel pretty bad if Andromeda fans were left out in the cold. So I'll just sit back and hope they'll make a game that will end with me going back to the main menu and immediately clicking "New Game" again. Not necessarily. Regardless of which ending was chosen, our cycle killed some Reapers during the war. These corpses could be from that. As for the glowing green lines, they could either say they were just metaphorical to better show what happened or they simply faded in time. As for the time jump, well I'd rather we stay in Andromeda but if we have to go back to the Milky Way then yes I'd like to not be tossed aside like garbage (like what they're doing with Dragon Age). True, it could be that only a few reapers are dead, but that hopefully won't mean that whatever challenge we will face in the next ME game will be so powerful that it can't be fixed by a handful of reapers. But since there are dead reapers, we must be in the Milky Way in that trailer. It's unlikely that Liara would somehow make the journey to Andromeda only to discover dead reapers and some N7 insignia there. And wouldn't Synthesis completely remove synthetics as potential enemies in any new game? Because if it doesn't, what good was it again? I think they are going to walk the path of least resistance and keep any references to the end of ME3 extremely vague, or introduce some big equalizer event that makes the choice, as far as the setting of the new game is concerned, meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 10:18:07 GMT
It looks like Synthesis and Control will at least be partly undone, since the reapers in the trailer were dead and no one had shiny green synthetic bits attached to them. I didn't see any geth, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are still around somehow and Destroy not being absolute canon either. There will probably just be a mention of the reaper war and how someone named Shepard just barely stopped them. I for one hope that they won't advance the Milky Way's timeline for over 600 years. That's 600 years of potential storyline lost and only read as a codex entry, just to catch up with Andromeda. I don't think it's worth it, but then again, I would feel pretty bad if Andromeda fans were left out in the cold. So I'll just sit back and hope they'll make a game that will end with me going back to the main menu and immediately clicking "New Game" again. Not necessarily. If it's a situation where the player plugs their decision into a "comic" at the start of the game and the reference is brief enough and vague enough, then the differences between the three main endings could be accommodated for a short time. Also, regardless of choice, nothing precludes an event happening after the end of the Reaper War that, in the case of Synthesis, removes the glowing green eyes; or in the event of control, causes the Shepard VI to remove the Reapers back into dark space; and even in the case of Destroy... makes it be known that some of the Reapers survived the Crucible being fired against them. The bottom line of all three EC sets of slides is that, eventually, the Milky Way gets rebuilt... which apparently has not happened, yet. So, in that case, all three endings are being, at least, "partially undone."
What we know is that Bioware considered both the original endings and the EC endings and even changing the story when deciding how they would end MELE.. and they decided to make use of the EC endings and not change the story... and we know they are now terming MELE as the definitive vtersion of the Trilogy. That tells me that the last thing they are doing is probably declaring only one of those possible endings the canon one while throwing the other two out of the canon entirely The status of ME:A is more in doubt... but the reference to an Ark in the Teaser suggests that it, too, is not being thrown right out of the canon. At worst, its story is also being largely side-stepped. While it saddens me that there are plot lines within ME:A that will likely never be picked up again, the major purpose of ME:A was to get a portion of the population of the Milky Way out of the way of the consequences of the Crucible. Those who left with the Initiative are unaffected by any of genetic alteration of synthesis... making it potentially possible that they intend to basically wipe out the inhabitants of the Milky Way who were there at the end of the War and repopulate it with returnees from Andromeda. We also know from ME:A that the technology exists there to actually get that sort of job done... using the same technology the Jardaan used to populate the Heleus Cluster with Angara, as well as all sorts of trees and plants and other animals.
Regardless, I don't think the biggest complaints about it will come from those you term "Andromeda" fans. The issues, as before, are probably going to come more from the fans who are likely going to be disappointed that their beloved Destroy ending isn't made the sole canon ending of ME3. They've been lobbying for that for nine years now and they are the ones who consistently indicate they won't be happy to settle for anything less. They are also the ones who keep insisting on terming the next ME game as ME4 and not ME5. ME:A fans have long accepted the sad reality that the story and protagonist they loved in ME:A is likely not going to appear in ME5.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 30, 2021 11:26:52 GMT
It looks like Synthesis and Control will at least be partly undone, since the reapers in the trailer were dead and no one had shiny green synthetic bits attached to them. I didn't see any geth, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are still around somehow and Destroy not being absolute canon either. There will probably just be a mention of the reaper war and how someone named Shepard just barely stopped them. I for one hope that they won't advance the Milky Way's timeline for over 600 years. That's 600 years of potential storyline lost and only read as a codex entry, just to catch up with Andromeda. I don't think it's worth it, but then again, I would feel pretty bad if Andromeda fans were left out in the cold. So I'll just sit back and hope they'll make a game that will end with me going back to the main menu and immediately clicking "New Game" again. Not necessarily. If it's a situation where the player plugs their decision into a "comic" at the start of the game and the reference is brief enough and vague enough, then the differences between the three main endings could be accommodated for a short time. Also, regardless of choice, nothing precludes an event happening after the end of the Reaper War that, in the case of Synthesis, removes the glowing green eyes; or in the event of control, causes the Shepard VI to remove the Reapers back into dark space; and even in the case of Destroy... makes it be known that some of the Reapers survived the Crucible being fired against them. The bottom line of all three EC sets of slides is that, eventually, the Milky Way gets rebuilt... which apparently has not happened, yet. So, in that case, all three endings are being, at least, "partially undone."
What we know is that Bioware considered both the original endings and the EC endings and even changing the story when deciding how they would end MELE.. and they decided to make use of the EC endings and not change the story... and we know they are now terming MELE as the definitive vtersion of the Trilogy. That tells me that the last thing they are doing is probably declaring only one of those possible endings the canon one while throwing the other two out of the canon entirely The status of ME:A is more in doubt... but the reference to an Ark in the Teaser suggests that it, too, is not being thrown right out of the canon. At worst, its story is also being largely side-stepped.
Regardless, I don't think the biggest complaints about it will come from those you term "Andromeda" fans. The issues, as before, are probably going to come more from the fans who are likely going to be disappointed that their beloved Destroy ending isn't made the sole canon ending of ME3. They've been lobbying for that for nine years now and they are the ones who consistently indicate they won't be happy to settle for anything less. They are also the ones who keep insisting on terming the next ME game as ME4 and not ME5. ME:A fans have long accepted the sad reality that the story and protagonist they loved in ME:A is likely not going to appear in ME5.
The first thing I should probably get out of the way is that I didn't mean anything negative by the term "Andromeda fans". It just seemed shorter than typing "players who prefer a continuation of the Andromeda setting over a sequel set in the Milky Way" and now I did that anyway. I may have a different preference but that doesn't mean I think less of those who disagree with me. As I said in my reply to Hanako above, it's not unlikely that BioWare introduces some kind of equalizer event that changes any player choice at the end of ME3 enough to start ME Next in pretty much the same setting. But it is also possible that BioWare doesn't bother mentioning the past and just starts in the middle of the action like they did in DA2 and DAI. DA2 doesn't explain to the player what a blight is and what happened in the first game, it starts with the protagonist on the run with the Darkspawn literally right around the next corner. DAI doesn't explain the mage/templar conflict to the player, it starts after a big explosion on their conference and you get to pick up that information on the way later. Therefore I think that ME Next may just start right with whatever new story BioWare came up with, and that reaper corpse over there? Read a codex entry or play the previous game. But yes, people will complain no matter what BioWare does. Nobody likes complaints, but at least it shows that people care, maybe a bit too much. Apathy would be really disastrous because that means a total lack of interest and engagement. Personally I think that after almost ten years it's way past the time to move on. Look back fondly at the previous games, but mostly look forward to the next one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 12:00:34 GMT
Not necessarily. If it's a situation where the player plugs their decision into a "comic" at the start of the game and the reference is brief enough and vague enough, then the differences between the three main endings could be accommodated for a short time. Also, regardless of choice, nothing precludes an event happening after the end of the Reaper War that, in the case of Synthesis, removes the glowing green eyes; or in the event of control, causes the Shepard VI to remove the Reapers back into dark space; and even in the case of Destroy... makes it be known that some of the Reapers survived the Crucible being fired against them. The bottom line of all three EC sets of slides is that, eventually, the Milky Way gets rebuilt... which apparently has not happened, yet. So, in that case, all three endings are being, at least, "partially undone."
What we know is that Bioware considered both the original endings and the EC endings and even changing the story when deciding how they would end MELE.. and they decided to make use of the EC endings and not change the story... and we know they are now terming MELE as the definitive vtersion of the Trilogy. That tells me that the last thing they are doing is probably declaring only one of those possible endings the canon one while throwing the other two out of the canon entirely The status of ME:A is more in doubt... but the reference to an Ark in the Teaser suggests that it, too, is not being thrown right out of the canon. At worst, its story is also being largely side-stepped.
Regardless, I don't think the biggest complaints about it will come from those you term "Andromeda" fans. The issues, as before, are probably going to come more from the fans who are likely going to be disappointed that their beloved Destroy ending isn't made the sole canon ending of ME3. They've been lobbying for that for nine years now and they are the ones who consistently indicate they won't be happy to settle for anything less. They are also the ones who keep insisting on terming the next ME game as ME4 and not ME5. ME:A fans have long accepted the sad reality that the story and protagonist they loved in ME:A is likely not going to appear in ME5.
The first thing I should probably get out of the way is that I didn't mean anything negative by the term "Andromeda fans". It just seemed shorter than typing "players who prefer a continuation of the Andromeda setting over a sequel set in the Milky Way" and now I did that anyway. I may have a different preference but that doesn't mean I think less of those who disagree with me. As I said in my reply to Hanako above, it's not unlikely that BioWare introduces some kind of equalizer event that changes any player choice at the end of ME3 enough to start ME Next in pretty much the same setting. But it is also possible that BioWare doesn't bother mentioning the past and just starts in the middle of the action like they did in DA2 and DAI. DA2 doesn't explain to the player what a blight is and what happened in the first game, it starts with the protagonist on the run with the Darkspawn literally right around the next corner. DAI doesn't explain the mage/templar conflict to the player, it starts after a big explosion on their conference and you get to pick up that information on the way later. Therefore I think that ME Next may just start right with whatever new story BioWare came up with, and that reaper corpse over there? Read a codex entry or play the previous game. But yes, people will complain no matter what BioWare does. Nobody likes complaints, but at least it shows that people care, maybe a bit too much. Apathy would be really disastrous because that means a total lack of interest and engagement. Personally I think that after almost ten years it's way past the time to move on. Look back fondly at the previous games, but mostly look forward to the next one. Sure, they could just start somewhere out of the blue... however, the setting is not the same as the Milky Way shown us in ME1 through the bulk of ME3. That much is clear from the teaser. Whether they explain it away or not, the setting is post Reaper War... how far beyond the Reaper War we are is unknown, but the Milky Way has not bern rebuilt... the debris from the Reaper War has not been cleared away. If Liara is on earth, the weather is drastically changed, as is the location of celestial bodies.
The other thing the teaser clearly shows is a journey from outside the Milky Way Galaxy through it... reflected clearly at the start of the Teaser with the sequence of radio messages reinforcing that journey. The vessel in the background at the end is of currently unknown design.
Also, the one Reaper largely obscured by the snow in the background is not necessarily dead. No lights are visible, but it's on its legs. I'm not sure how DA2 and was teased since I'm not into DA at all, but it would seem to me that this ME Teaser pays "excessive homage" to both the OT and ME:A if just starting a game in the Milky Way with either no changes or a host of unexplained changes was their intention at this point. Of course, nothing in a Teaser is written in stone either. Their plans could change as they go... for better or worse.
I wasn't thinking you were being derogatory to ME:A fans... just wielding the rather mild and ineffective "threat" of ME:A being completely bypassed... a common thing done here to try to "needle" ME:A fans a little. ... and I'm just letting you know, it's water off a duck's back at this point.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jul 2, 2021 7:19:56 GMT
Peeps, there are 4 endings, not just 3.
Refuse.
Why not cannonize refuse; have the next cycle begin by its inhabitants finding Liara’s (and Shepard’s) Beacons, then starting to use them to face the eventual Reaper threat, and then having the MEA doofus’s show up back in The Milky Way and help them.
Shepard never becomes some sort of monster by choosing one of the catalyst’s shitty choices, and he enables victory over the Reapers in the next cycle via the Beacons. Thus entering legend.
Just a pipe dream.
Biower is going to “screw the pooch” and do something that most will abhor - after all super-cockroach Mac Walters is still around, probably maintaining that the endings are gud………
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 12:11:14 GMT
Peeps, there are 4 endings, not just 3. Refuse. Why not cannonize refuse; have the next cycle begin by its inhabitants finding Liara’s (and Shepard’s) Beacons, then starting to use them to face the eventual Reaper threat, and then having the MEA doofus’s show up back in The Milky Way and help them. Shepard never becomes some sort of monster by choosing one of the catalyst’s shitty choices, and he enables victory over the Reapers in the next cycle via the Beacons. Thus entering legend. Just a pipe dream. Biower is going to “screw the pooch” and do something that most will abhor - after all super-cockroach Mac Walters is still around, probably maintaining that the endings are gud……… Because the canon has 4 basic endings. When people request that Bioware "canonize" a particular ending when all of them are currently in the canon, they are actually requesting that Bioware decanonize every ending but one. I'm solidly against that. (I know I forgot to mention refuse, but that doesn't mean it can't also be accommodated as an option.)
The term "canon" refers to an entire body of work. The MET was written with a view of being a flexible role-playing story. It's not just about the endings... it's about every decision the player can use to construct a story that leads to any of the current endings. The keys to maintaining that over three games has been in the writing style of those games... leaving reference to past past either vague enough that they could be interpreted as having happened multiple ways or, adapting dialogue to account for different scenarios. That's the writing style of the entire canon (the entirety of the work). Decanonizing alternative choices completely changes the nature of the work from the start.
It's also not necessary. It's the fans that are demanding that their prefered ending be "confirmed" to them as being the "only right" choice. That's not what role-playing should be about (IMO). Even refuse can be accommodated alongiside every other ending in a situation where the timeline is moved several 100 years forward. Detail is lost (i.e. the references become vague) and/or little bits of dialogue change if one or another ending is input into a question in a comic or keep. Some other subsequent even levels out the "differences" among the endings and the Reaper War fades into MEU history. This is traditionally what Bioware did in the MET, and I see no reason why it cannot continue here. Players just need to stop asking for "proof" from Bioware that they made the "right" choice at the end of ME3.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 2, 2021 12:49:53 GMT
The MET was written with a view of being a flexible role-playing story That's not true. As Bioware said themselves, it's their story, not ours. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
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The MET was written with a view of being a flexible role-playing story That's not true. As Bioware said themselves, it's their story, not ours. If you don't like it, don't buy it. ... and their story contains "choices" to be made by the player. Choices that, for the most part, are not declared as being"wrong" in the next game int he franchise. Some choices are carried forward as choices in that the player is given the opportunity to tell the game what choice they made and the dialogue accommodates that input to a large degree. Nothing is perfect in these games, but that has been the "intent" of them. They have never been straightforward campaign modes that you find is shooters. The allure for many is the ability to play them multiple times in different ways... molding a slightly different PC each time and telling a slightly different story each time... within a range of flexible options... those of which are determined by Bioware. In the case of endings, there are currently 4 basic ones in the canon. All of them are canon at this point. They are part of the body of work known as the MET. ME:A is also part of the canon... not of the Trilogy itself, but of the Mass Effect franchise... which includes all the comics and novels as well.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 2, 2021 13:17:38 GMT
... and their story contains "choices" to be made by the player. No, sorry, it's their story. They said it. Publicly, when we complained about the endings. None of your choices have to matter, or amount to anything. It's their story. Don't like it, don't buy it.
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