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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 21:02:53 GMT
Again, your description of Synthesis is a load of garbage. Not just me saying that, but the games themselves. Characters, cultures, lore, etc are all still there and are still the same as before. It's been 7 or 8 years already... and if my memory serves me right, with synthesis organics and robots merge. Their personality gets merged... they think alike. NO MORE WAR, NO MORE POLITICS, NO MORE DIFFERENCE. Sounds pretty boring to me. Your memory is serving you wrong then. Everyone keeps their individuality. We explicitly see this in the endings. For example Samara still hangs out with her surviving daughter Falere in Synthesis just like she does in Destroy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 21:05:06 GMT
Except there are options besides that. We already currently have one, one which is becoming more popular as the years have gone on: Andromeda. Leaves the Milky Way alone your choices safe. With success of legendary edition and the new players it will have brought I think they will choose alienating some diehards over remaining locked out of the milky way and it's lore. But hey we'll see what happens. Honestly I would be excited about any and all of the above. A lot of those new players are enjoying Andromeda as well. Glad that you are happy with any of these options. I’m not. And I fully expect BioWare to ruin things just like they are with their other properties. Would love to be wrong though.
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Post by The Arbiter on Aug 7, 2021 21:12:45 GMT
With success of legendary edition and the new players it will have brought I think they will choose alienating some diehards over remaining locked out of the milky way and it's lore. But hey we'll see what happens. Honestly I would be excited about any and all of the above. A lot of those new players are enjoying Andromeda as well. Glad that you are happy with any of these options. I’m not. And I fully expect BioWare to ruin things just like they are with their other properties. Would love to be wrong though. Yet Andromeda is a failure lore and sales wise lol. Otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing these issues or I wouldn't have witnessed EA giving like 80%/90% discount on the game. Also, you pointing out about Samara is not my issue, my issue is merging the DNA and thinking of everyone to achieve peace. Even HUSKS regained their "thinking" although they now look like... well husks. GALACTIC PEACE, NO MORE WAR, NO MORE DIFFERENCE, EVERYONE THINKS ALIKE. Hence the word "synthesis". The premise of ME was like terminator, AI going rogue and gaining self awareness. What's next then? Continue the failure that is Andromeda? pure delusions.
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Post by moorman56 on Aug 7, 2021 21:12:46 GMT
With success of legendary edition and the new players it will have brought I think they will choose alienating some diehards over remaining locked out of the milky way and it's lore. But hey we'll see what happens. Honestly I would be excited about any and all of the above. A lot of those new players are enjoying Andromeda as well. Glad that you are happy with any of these options. I’m not. And I fully expect BioWare to ruin things just like they are with their other properties. Would love to be wrong though. If I was placing a bet. I'd bet on canon destroy. All I'm saying.
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Post by The Arbiter on Aug 7, 2021 21:21:50 GMT
A lot of those new players are enjoying Andromeda as well. Glad that you are happy with any of these options. I’m not. And I fully expect BioWare to ruin things just like they are with their other properties. Would love to be wrong though. If I was placing a bet. I'd bet on canon destroy. All I'm saying. This guy is unbelievable really. He honestly think Andromeda was a success and that Destroy is heresy. The reason why Bioware put Liara in the trailer climbing those DEAD reapers was to signify about the struggle of Shepard and his crew, the struggle and sacrifices of the Milkyway against the reapers. What do you think would be the reaction of the public if they showed Humans and Husks holding hands while a Reaper was throwing a celebration party in the background instead?
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 7, 2021 22:19:32 GMT
Yeah basically. In their defence not sure what choice there is outside of contrivance here. So to me the contrivance that can be moved on from the fastest (destroy canon) is probably the move. Destroy is my canon but I think it will be irrelevant. Even decisions with geth, quarian, krogan and rachni won't matter. Geth died? They were rebuilt/memories were backed up/whatever. Quarians died? Enough were away the flotilla to allow them to survive, particularly on turian worlds. Genophage cure sabotaged? We know for a fact from MEA that they were developing a resistance to the genophage so they weren't going anywhere. Rachni queen killed? I'm sure there are other eggs out there. Citadel and relays were always rebuildable. Reapers, regardless of your choice, exit known space, whether it's because they no longer exist, they decided to let organics do their own thing, or Shepard was like "there's a whole universe to explore so let's get to it!"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 23:34:56 GMT
A lot of those new players are enjoying Andromeda as well. Glad that you are happy with any of these options. I’m not. And I fully expect BioWare to ruin things just like they are with their other properties. Would love to be wrong though. If I was placing a bet. I'd bet on canon destroy. All I'm saying. As am I. Like I said, I fully expect BioWare to fuck a ton of people over only to fail anyway.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 23:38:27 GMT
A lot of those new players are enjoying Andromeda as well. Glad that you are happy with any of these options. I’m not. And I fully expect BioWare to ruin things just like they are with their other properties. Would love to be wrong though. Yet Andromeda is a failure lore and sales wise lol. Otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing these issues or I wouldn't have witnessed EA giving like 80%/90% discount on the game. Also, you pointing out about Samara is not my issue, my issue is merging the DNA and thinking of everyone to achieve peace. Even HUSKS regained their "thinking" although they now look like... well husks. GALACTIC PEACE, NO MORE WAR, NO MORE DIFFERENCE, EVERYONE THINKS ALIKE. Hence the word "synthesis". The premise of ME was like terminator, AI going rogue and gaining self awareness. What's next then? Continue the failure that is Andromeda? pure delusions. No, your issue is that you can’t stand something so much that you are ignoring reality even when it is shown again and again you’re wrong. May as well be talking to Mike Lindell at this point. But I’ll try one last time. Synthesis. Does. Not. Change. Thinking. People. Are. Still. Themselves.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 8, 2021 0:18:51 GMT
The whole point of Synthesis' to offer a new perspective through eugenics.
If it's successful it is abhorrent.
If it's unsuccessful it is redundant.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 8, 2021 2:24:15 GMT
Yet Andromeda is a failure lore and sales wise lol. Otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing these issues or I wouldn't have witnessed EA giving like 80%/90% discount on the game. Also, you pointing out about Samara is not my issue, my issue is merging the DNA and thinking of everyone to achieve peace. Even HUSKS regained their "thinking" although they now look like... well husks. GALACTIC PEACE, NO MORE WAR, NO MORE DIFFERENCE, EVERYONE THINKS ALIKE. Hence the word "synthesis". The premise of ME was like terminator, AI going rogue and gaining self awareness. What's next then? Continue the failure that is Andromeda? pure delusions. No, your issue is that you can’t stand something so much that you are ignoring reality even when it is shown again and again you’re wrong. May as well be talking to Mike Lindell at this point. But I’ll try one last time. Synthesis. Does. Not. Change. Thinking. People. Are. Still. Themselves. It doesn't? If a player sabotages the genophage, then chooses the green, there is a slide showing the krogan rebuilding. The only time it shows that is when the genophage is cured. I believe you mentioned that is true. So what happened? Did the green talk to the other species to cure the genophage?
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 8, 2021 4:56:18 GMT
If I was placing a bet. I'd bet on canon destroy. All I'm saying. This guy is unbelievable really. He honestly think Andromeda was a success and that Destroy is heresy. The reason why Bioware put Liara in the trailer climbing those DEAD reapers was to signify about the struggle of Shepard and his crew, the struggle and sacrifices of the Milkyway against the reapers. What do you think would be the reaction of the public if they showed Humans and Husks holding hands while a Reaper was throwing a celebration party in the background instead? or Marketing just felt that it looked like a cool visual since they have nothing to really show yet.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 8, 2021 12:22:25 GMT
This guy is unbelievable really. He honestly think Andromeda was a success and that Destroy is heresy. The reason why Bioware put Liara in the trailer climbing those DEAD reapers was to signify about the struggle of Shepard and his crew, the struggle and sacrifices of the Milkyway against the reapers. What do you think would be the reaction of the public if they showed Humans and Husks holding hands while a Reaper was throwing a celebration party in the background instead? or Marketing just felt that it looked like a cool visual since they have nothing to really show yet. Is that the same marketing department believing ME3 is the best place to start playing a trilogy?
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 8, 2021 12:49:40 GMT
or Marketing just felt that it looked like a cool visual since they have nothing to really show yet. Is that the same marketing department believing ME3 is the best place to start playing a trilogy? Could well be for both instances it seems to be about making statements to generate interest to generate sales. That preview trailer was suspiciously close to the release of the Legendary Edition, so it sets up hype for a new game and maybe people will buy the remaster since they are thinking of the brand.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 8, 2021 13:20:31 GMT
Is that the same marketing department believing ME3 is the best place to start playing a trilogy? Could well be for both instances it seems to be about making statements to generate interest to generate sales. That preview trailer was suspiciously close to the release of the Legendary Edition, so it sets up hype for a new game and maybe people will buy the remaster since they are thinking of the brand. If I was a new player to the trilogy, I see the teaser showing a character from the trilogy picking up something with the N7 logo. I play the remaster getting the breath scene, and after the guy tells the kid one more story, I would believe Shepard would return for another game.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 8, 2021 14:32:49 GMT
Could well be for both instances it seems to be about making statements to generate interest to generate sales. That preview trailer was suspiciously close to the release of the Legendary Edition, so it sets up hype for a new game and maybe people will buy the remaster since they are thinking of the brand. If I was a new player to the trilogy, I see the teaser showing a character from the trilogy picking up something with the N7 logo. I play the remaster getting the breath scene, and after the guy tells the kid one more story, I would believe Shepard would return for another game. I think a new player wouldn't jump that far down the rabbit hole. If you are reading that much into the teaser trailer and caring about what happened at a game that ended that many years ago you are more then a new inexperienced player and should know that there is a very good chance the two aren't connected. Edit: Now if you play the Legendary Edition for the first time, I would also not be sure they are getting to the conclusions people online are. Not everyone analyzes everything to the nth degree to try and milk everything out of a teaser. I would still say if you are looking that deeply into a teaser to try and figure out what the next game is going to be you are far more then a casual new fan and should know by now how the industry works even if its not from BioWare.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 8, 2021 14:55:26 GMT
I think a new player wouldn't jump that far down the rabbit hole. Really? A new player plays the remaster. Hears the guy say one more story. Sees the teaser showing a character from the trilogy holding an idem with the N7 logo, what other conclusion would that person have? Yes it could be a new character, with N7 being mentioned in the next game, but then why have a character from the trilogy in the teaser? It also shows what appears to be a drell and salarian. Both were on the squad in ME2. Maybe ME4 would feature a drell and salarian squadmate. Players, new and old, had different reactions to the teaser with whatever thoughts they have after seeing it. It would not be hard for any of them to come to the conclusion I mentioned. If I were to have played MEA, and not the trilogy, I would be asking who the character is in the teaser. They show a character from the trilogy that I have no care about. It would tell me Bioware appears to be making another game that will feature that character, and maybe other characters from the trilogy to be in the next game. Even though the Andromeda galaxy is shown for a moment, it still would tell me the next game would be in the Milky Way with character(s) from the trilogy I never played.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 8, 2021 15:36:34 GMT
I have already witnessed new players finish the Legendary Edition under the impression that they will be playing as Shepard in Mass Effect 4, and also look forward to it, it's not a deep dive to expect that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 8, 2021 15:38:01 GMT
I have already witnessed new players finish the Legendary Edition under the impression that they will be playing as Shepard in Mass Effect 4, and also look forward to it, it's not a deep dive to expect that. These new players do know that Shepard dies at the end right?
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 8, 2021 15:42:26 GMT
Not necessarily, you already know that of course.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 8, 2021 15:54:45 GMT
I have already witnessed new players finish the Legendary Edition under the impression that they will be playing as Shepard in Mass Effect 4, and also look forward to it, it's not a deep dive to expect that. These new players do know that Shepard dies at the end right? These new players know they picked the best ending, red with breath scene. excellent
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Post by Iakus on Aug 8, 2021 16:50:07 GMT
I have already witnessed new players finish the Legendary Edition under the impression that they will be playing as Shepard in Mass Effect 4, and also look forward to it, it's not a deep dive to expect that. Well, this should prove interesting...
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 8, 2021 17:24:14 GMT
It's been 7 or 8 years already... and if my memory serves me right, with synthesis organics and robots merge. Their personality gets merged... they think alike. NO MORE WAR, NO MORE POLITICS, NO MORE DIFFERENCE. Sounds pretty boring to me.Your memory is serving you wrong then. Everyone keeps their individuality. We explicitly see this in the endings. For example Samara still hangs out with her surviving daughter Falere in Synthesis just like she does in Destroy. The problem is the whole "understanding" part. We don't really have a good idea what this means or what it truly entails. All we know is that everyone's just going to be automatically seeing eye to eye......somehow. This doesn't really reconcile people who have an innate distrust or hatred of synthetics in general. Imagine deeply ingrained dogma, fostered for centuries in the galactic community, just gone in an instant. That just doesn't work unless you forcibly alter people's minds somehow.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 8, 2021 17:24:19 GMT
Not necessarily, you already know that of course. Yes, though that's irrelevant since in most endings (all of which are as canon as that one) Shepard is dead. There is only one ending that ends in a "well...maybe they live."
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Post by Guardian on Aug 9, 2021 0:15:57 GMT
I have already witnessed new players finish the Legendary Edition under the impression that they will be playing as Shepard in Mass Effect 4, and also look forward to it, it's not a deep dive to expect that.
This has been my experience as well. I've got three friends that came into Mass Effect from Andromeda and then to the LE. And while one like it has already been said isn't quite willing to fully say it's Shep returning, the other two have fully backed the idea that it is Shep coming back for the next ME game.
I've already explained to them all many times that this might not be the case, but between the trailer they saw and playing the LE, there's no convincing them otherwise.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 9, 2021 0:25:04 GMT
I think a new player wouldn't jump that far down the rabbit hole. Really? A new player plays the remaster. Hears the guy say one more story. Sees the teaser showing a character from the trilogy holding an idem with the N7 logo, what other conclusion would that person have? Yes it could be a new character, with N7 being mentioned in the next game, but then why have a character from the trilogy in the teaser? It also shows what appears to be a drell and salarian. Both were on the squad in ME2. Maybe ME4 would feature a drell and salarian squadmate. Players, new and old, had different reactions to the teaser with whatever thoughts they have after seeing it. It would not be hard for any of them to come to the conclusion I mentioned. If I were to have played MEA, and not the trilogy, I would be asking who the character is in the teaser. They show a character from the trilogy that I have no care about. It would tell me Bioware appears to be making another game that will feature that character, and maybe other characters from the trilogy to be in the next game. Even though the Andromeda galaxy is shown for a moment, it still would tell me the next game would be in the Milky Way with character(s) from the trilogy I never played. That is a big amount of assumptions based on what people are thinking they are seeing and not to mention the potential of "that was true at the time" especially with the sequence at the end of Mass Effect 3 since that was created nine to ten years ago. There is no confirmation on what we are seeing in that teaser and the assumptions being made could very well be wrong which is where my issue has been. If you want to speculation that could be Liara go for it, but its the certainty behind the claims that its Liara is where it might not be accurate. The resemblance to Liara could be unintentional or even just like with Andromeda something that starts the adventure off and then leads to a new group of people with what we were seeing in the Sol system at the start of Andromeda. I can see many different possibilities of what that teaser could indicate and I think narrowing down to one thing hurts the conversation. Even if lets say that teaser falls into the truth that 100% that is Liara and 100% claiming what she thinks is a piece of Shepard's gear and 100% of the chance its really Vega's and she clones Vega since he lost piece of his helmet charging Marauder Shields at the end of ME3. Things change a lot during development I am pretty sure I don't need to go into the amount of content that BioWare has told us was to be in the game and content that we found out was part of the plan that has changed significantly or been removed during the length of development. Its the certainty that I am disagreeing with because frankly nobody knows what is really going to happen until about six months prior to launch.
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