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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 13, 2021 17:34:12 GMT
And Hackett as well, I think. I'm not sure Hackett knw what was going on with Arrival. He only knew his agent went dark. We don't actually get a feel for how Hackett feels about it. He was an Admiral so you'd think his word had some impact. In the Navy, Admiral is the highest obtainable rank. Maybe he's a Vice Admiral, which means he's "only" in charge of fleets of ships. His word should still have some major impact. Since the Alliance continued to ignore the Reaper threat the only assumption is that Hackett was either not convinced or not sure enough to take a stand. OTOH, he recruited Liara to explore Prothean ruins on Mars. He apparently trusted her based on ME2 and Shepard's dog tags. So, I don't really know. It still comes down to Hackett remaining silent or just not having the sway necessary to change minds. I'd think this would be the sort of thing previously related to Shepard or Anderson. It could be that Hackett's name was drawn out of a hat in regards to whom would be the quest giver for Arrival.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 13, 2021 17:36:07 GMT
Didn't the Alliance do the same? From the moment the SR1 is destroyed until the reapers show up on Earth, they turned the other cheek. It's all about the I don't care attitude. Except Anderson. They ignored him. And yet, he didn't do crap about it even if he was made human councilor. All he did was take the shape of his chair and tell Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers even after he says I trust you, I believe you. He too never cared.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 13, 2021 18:58:28 GMT
Except Anderson. They ignored him. And yet, he didn't do crap about it even if he was made human councilor. All he did was take the shape of his chair and tell Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers even after he says I trust you, I believe you. He too never cared. Him and Hackett, unless you consider Hackett sending Liara to Mars was some kind of significant action. There was zero evidence that Protheans were capable of defeating the Reapers, much less that such a weapon happened to be on Mars and, somewhere in the six months between ME2 and ME3, they figured out it was the only thing that could defeat the Reapers. The MET had an atrocious timeline, from humanities 26 years to Council-hood and the time between Arrival and ME3. The only timeline that made sense was the two years to fix Shepard. Basically, the only people who 100% believed Shepard, did nothing to make a change. Two admirals knew the score but were unable to make any kind of difference. Plus, as we learn in Citadel DLC, the Council knew the truth all along.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 13, 2021 19:10:09 GMT
If you include the Retribution novel, Anderson spent a decent amount of time between ME2 and 3 running around with Kahlee, messnig up Cerberus and chasing a reaperfied Paul Grayson around the galaxy. Afterwards, they went back to Alliance space to build some sort of reaper research team but I guess they never got very far in the end.
But yeah, the timelines are quite iffy in any case.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 13, 2021 21:34:43 GMT
And yet, he didn't do crap about it even if he was made human councilor. All he did was take the shape of his chair and tell Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers even after he says I trust you, I believe you. He too never cared. Him and Hackett, unless you consider Hackett sending Liara to Mars was some kind of significant action. There was zero evidence that Protheans were capable of defeating the Reapers, much less that such a weapon happened to be on Mars and, somewhere in the six months between ME2 and ME3, they figured out it was the only thing that could defeat the Reapers. The MET had an atrocious timeline, from humanities 26 years to Council-hood and the time between Arrival and ME3. The only timeline that made sense was the two years to fix Shepard. Basically, the only people who 100% believed Shepard, did nothing to make a change. Two admirals knew the score but were unable to make any kind of difference. Plus, as we learn in Citadel DLC, the Council knew the truth all along. As I said, the Alliance, or rather, the leadership of the Alliance have the I don't care attitude. They became the keystone cops after the SR1 was destroyed to the time the reapers showed up on earth. A couple/few issues I have with Hackett in ME3. His failure to inform Shepard that he/she might run into Cerberus on Mars, but chose to tell Shepard the reapers couldn't be beaten conventionally something that means nothing at that time. After the dreadnought mission he will say we only lost earth a few weeks ago. He's already has earth dead to rights. That's not very good talk coming from a high ranking officer like him. Talk like that brings down morale. It's good that Shepard can reply, in a firm voice, we haven't lost earth yet. And finally just before Cronos, Shepard asks what happens if Cerberus doesn't have what they need. Hackett will replay with then we head to earth and take our chances. That's not a plan, that's someone who doesn't know what he's doing. If anything there should be a plan b in place just in case maybe even a plan c. He also said earlier in the game they wouldn't last in a straight up fight. Turns out that's what happened when the fleets headed to earth. Hackett sending t'soni to Mars wasn't a bad move though I would have that happen after the SR1 was destroyed. I doubt she would have said no given at the time she was all about studying prothean stuff. With the council, it would have been a nice addon if the player learns, through Hackett, the Alliance and council secretly were restoring Ilos just in case the reapers succeeded. X number of people are put in stasis with a copy of the plans of the crucible to be built in the next cycle. I believe the protheans would have succeeded in destroying the reapers had it not been for the indoctrinated group wanting to control the reapers. The other thing is a lack of communication between each other. Javik mentions that in the game. No one knew what other protheans were doing. This cycle had comms without much issues. Add that during the prothean cycle, they likely would have destroyed the reapers.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 14, 2021 17:25:01 GMT
With the council, it would have been a nice addon if the player learns, through Hackett, the Alliance and council secretly were restoring Ilos just in case the reapers succeeded. X number of people are put in stasis with a copy of the plans of the crucible to be built in the next cycle. That would have been a great idea. As far as we know, the Reapers themselves never went to Ilos. We know they didn't find it when they attacked the Protheans. Sure, Saren ran through it, but so what? It just brought him to the Citadel. What could have happened was what Aethyta suggested, which was to reverse-engineer some of the ancient technology. She believed it could be done with the relays (which is Reaper tech) so Prothean tech should have been easier. Find a way to replicate the stasis pods. They wouldn't necessarily have to remain in stasis indefinitely. I'm not even sure the Protheans had to, since the Reapers were unaware of Ilos. It would have been a great spot to set up shop and still have access to the Citadel - which is a one-way journey and would keep Reaper forces from coming through it. I believe the protheans would have succeeded in destroying the reapers had it not been for the indoctrinated group wanting to control the reapers. The other thing is a lack of communication between each other. Javik mentions that in the game. No one knew what other protheans were doing. This cycle had comms without much issues. Add that during the prothean cycle, they likely would have destroyed the reapers. I think the same thing, which is why I disagreed that indoctrinated people had to quickly go downhill like Saren or even Rana. It can be a slow of a process as the Reapers require.
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Post by lordmoral on Aug 25, 2021 15:21:03 GMT
The Alliance and the Council decided to throw Shepard to the flames as much as Cerberus.
In the start of the game Anderson asks to meet with you but surprise, he keeps the information about the Virmire Survivor classified. You can get your Spectre status back thanks to the Council you chose to save but can't tell the Virmire Survivor on Horizon that they trusted you enough for that or better yet: Anderson decided to keep the fact that the Council Shepard saved reinstated him to Spectre status and clearly only communicated with Williams (LI in my much later).
If you go to Anderson again and asks him about the fact that Williams was on Horizon he explains that she was looking into reports that Cerberus was attacking the colonies and when you press him calling him out he states that that was before they knew of Shepard and sorry. I suspect that after Williams calmed down and delivered her report she wrote that apology letter to Shepard but then nothing until ME3 because Bioware needed to use the VS as a plot device to introduce new players to his Cerberus connections and it would have been better had Shepard croosed paths with the VS in ME2.
Heck, with the Shadow Broker Resources we could have established communications with them and start a mending proces if we choose so but, we got what we got.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 28, 2021 16:35:14 GMT
The Alliance and the Council decided to throw Shepard to the flames as much as Cerberus. In the start of the game Anderson asks to meet with you but surprise, he keeps the information about the Virmire Survivor classified. You can get your Spectre status back thanks to the Council you chose to save but can't tell the Virmire Survivor on Horizon that they trusted you enough for that or better yet: Anderson decided to keep the fact that the Council Shepard saved reinstated him to Spectre status and clearly only communicated with Williams (LI in my much later). Ash was, as we know, under the exclusive purview of the Systems Alliance at this point. Anderson as likely prohibited from telling Shepard anything to A/K. As Anderson (or Udina) would have said, the Spectre status didn't mean anything. It was in name only, at least until Shepard was done with Cerberus. Then it took another twist with the Bahak System, though potentially you never did that mission. If you go to Anderson again and asks him about the fact that Williams was on Horizon he explains that she was looking into reports that Cerberus was attacking the colonies and when you press him calling him out he states that that was before they knew of Shepard and sorry. I suspect that after Williams calmed down and delivered her report she wrote that apology letter to Shepard but then nothing until ME3 because Bioware needed to use the VS as a plot device to introduce new players to his Cerberus connections and it would have been better had Shepard croosed paths with the VS in ME2. I don't find it weird. The Systems Alliance was looking into the Collector attacks on their own. Shepard was with Cerberus and, well, Hades' Dogs. Shepard might have set that aside but it would be difficult for a government to do so. A/K was likely told to cut communications. Conjecture, but it fits. Heck, with the Shadow Broker Resources we could have established communications with them and start a mending proces if we choose so but, we got what we got. I'll agree here. Anderson knew Liara had been in contact with Cerberus and probably that she was the SB. Seemed to be an open secret. That's said, the destruction of the Bahak System couldn't be ignored. Nor could working with Cerberus. In both cases, Shepard seemed to be under house arrest for either or both of those situations. The plot hole here is that they didn't explain that to Shepard.
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Post by lordmoral on Aug 28, 2021 17:32:55 GMT
The Alliance and the Council decided to throw Shepard to the flames as much as Cerberus. In the start of the game Anderson asks to meet with you but surprise, he keeps the information about the Virmire Survivor classified. You can get your Spectre status back thanks to the Council you chose to save but can't tell the Virmire Survivor on Horizon that they trusted you enough for that or better yet: Anderson decided to keep the fact that the Council Shepard saved reinstated him to Spectre status and clearly only communicated with Williams (LI in my much later). Ash was, as we know, under the exclusive purview of the Systems Alliance at this point. Anderson as likely prohibited from telling Shepard anything to A/K. As Anderson (or Udina) would have said, the Spectre status didn't mean anything. It was in name only, at least until Shepard was done with Cerberus. Then it took another twist with the Bahak System, though potentially you never did that mission. If you go to Anderson again and asks him about the fact that Williams was on Horizon he explains that she was looking into reports that Cerberus was attacking the colonies and when you press him calling him out he states that that was before they knew of Shepard and sorry. I suspect that after Williams calmed down and delivered her report she wrote that apology letter to Shepard but then nothing until ME3 because Bioware needed to use the VS as a plot device to introduce new players to his Cerberus connections and it would have been better had Shepard croosed paths with the VS in ME2. I don't find it weird. The Systems Alliance was looking into the Collector attacks on their own. Shepard was with Cerberus and, well, Hades' Dogs. Shepard might have set that aside but it would be difficult for a government to do so. A/K was likely told to cut communications. Conjecture, but it fits. Heck, with the Shadow Broker Resources we could have established communications with them and start a mending proces if we choose so but, we got what we got. I'll agree here. Anderson knew Liara had been in contact with Cerberus and probably that she was the SB. Seemed to be an open secret. That's said, the destruction of the Bahak System couldn't be ignored. Nor could working with Cerberus. In both cases, Shepard seemed to be under house arrest for either or both of those situations. The plot hole here is that they didn't explain that to Shepard. Translation: the Alliance used A/K as much as a bait as Cerberus did but they were the good guys, who did Cerberus like experiments (the creation of the Collector Stasis shown in Paragon Lost) and let's not count the BS of the Asari Commandos who rather than save the Wreath Yakshi kept them in the dark about the whole Reaper invasion and then went to blow them up or the STG and their conrinued meddling in uplifting other races or the Steel Birds who executed multiple civilians at Shanxi (Illusive Man origin comic) and got a hold of a Reaper device, I feel a bit sympathy for Cerberus because even with all their stained mantra at least they wear their stains with pride unlike the other organizations who keep their secrets dead or buried. I think we could have met the VS during the time Shepard goes to do his mission while the Normandy had the Reaper IFF being installed and they decide to give the Alliance and the Council a ton of collected Intel (like the Collectors being Protheans and the location of a weapon which disabled a Reaper) and then mid discorse EDI pings us and tells us what happened to the crew which leads to multiple possibilities to how we could say our goodbyes. After the Collectors Base mission we decide to go check that cannon ourselves and we locate the VS also investigating the place and depending how we handled the Base we could get more than a talk. Overlord could also influence on the meeting, we run into some Cerberus personal which were told to either welcome Shepard or be wary of us (the Base status) but we get the opportunity to contract them using Speech Checks and we run into them again in ME3.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 28, 2021 17:57:30 GMT
I'll agree here. Anderson knew Liara had been in contact with Cerberus and probably that she was the SB. Did he know that? Or are you referring to Hackett? The Alliance didn't explain crap to Shepard. It's all about the I don't care attitude, something they taught the little one in MEA. They wasted two years during the time Shepard was dead. They wasted 6 months while Shepard is locked up. The Alliance leadership is crap at best. They need to be removed. If anything, they might be do well in the custodian arts field.
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Post by lordmoral on Aug 28, 2021 19:54:52 GMT
I'll agree here. Anderson knew Liara had been in contact with Cerberus and probably that she was the SB. Did he know that? Or are you referring to Hackett? The Alliance didn't explain crap to Shepard. It's all about the I don't care attitude, something they taught the little one in MEA. They wasted two years during the time Shepard was dead. They wasted 6 months while Shepard is locked up. The Alliance leadership is crap at best. They need to be removed. If anything, they might be do well in the custodian arts field. It's not even that they waited 6 months but when they finally decided to ask Shepard and Williams was because they realized that they couldn't stop the Reapers on their own, the Alliance really was scared at the start of ME3 and they seemed to think they had a better chance than most:
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 28, 2021 20:11:10 GMT
Translation: the Alliance used A/K as much as a bait as Cerberus did but they were the good guys Now that you've said this it sounds likely true. It seems like the Alliance and Cerberus were both playing Shepard. Meaning they're both untrustworthy. think we could have met the VS during the time Shepard goes to do his mission while the Normandy had the Reaper IFF being installed and they decide to give the Alliance and the Council a ton of collected Intel TIM wasn't going to do that. He had no reason to believe that the Alliance would play nice. Even if EDI did sidestep TIM, I still can't imagine the VS showing up. That would me A/K had gone rogue. Either way, neither the Alliance nor Cerberus wanted A/K to have any meaningful dialogue with Shepard. All both have to do is make it clear that Shepard is working for terrorists and it's a no-go with them. Given that Shepard disappeared for two years it's kind of a hard sell to believe Shepard was trustworthy. My take, at least.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 28, 2021 20:15:38 GMT
I'll agree here. Anderson knew Liara had been in contact with Cerberus and probably that she was the SB. Did he know that? Or are you referring to Hackett? Someone recovered Shepard's body and it didn't make its way back to the Alliance. When Shepard popped up the Alliance already knew. They showed no surprise. That's said, the destruction of the Bahak System couldn't be ignored. Nor could working with Cerberus. In both cases, Shepard seemed to be under house arrest for either or both of those situations. The plot hole here is that they didn't explain that to Shepard. The Alliance didn't explain crap to Shepard. It's all about the I don't care attitude, something they taught the little one in MEA. They wasted two years during the time Shepard was dead. They wasted 6 months while Shepard is locked up. The Alliance leadership is crap at best. They need to be removed. If anything, they might be do well in the custodian arts field. Yep. Every one of them. Hackett seemed to be the only one not stupid enough to make use of Shepard even while with Cerberus. He probably didn't have enough influence to sway things.
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Post by lordmoral on Aug 28, 2021 21:11:57 GMT
think we could have met the VS during the time Shepard goes to do his mission while the Normandy had the Reaper IFF being installed and they decide to give the Alliance and the Council a ton of collected Intel TIM wasn't going to do that. He had no reason to believe that the Alliance would play nice. Even if EDI did sidestep TIM, I still can't imagine the VS showing up. That would me A/K had gone rogue. Either way, neither the Alliance nor Cerberus wanted A/K to have any meaningful dialogue with Shepard. All both have to do is make it clear that Shepard is working for terrorists and it's a no-go with them. Given that Shepard disappeared for two years it's kind of a hard sell to believe Shepard was trustworthy. My take, at least. I didn't say TIM approved of the mission, we could just leave a box on Horizon in the VS room (Thane and/or Kasumi) could make it past if they are loyal and then we leave the place. If the STG's were in contact with Mordin Solus (check the Shadow Broker files about how he helped Garrus mother by donating some Collector tissue in exchange for medical treatment) and Samara was likely reporting to the other Justicars then surely passing the VS some intel with our two best infiltrator specialists would have been a cakewalk. The player could write some type of code into the reports that stated: Forced, Under, Cover, Zombie and more at the headers of the report files. If the players found the Helmet they could have included it and placed the disk inside the helmet if we found it. Later we get a message from Anderson that the Alliance and Council can't launch an operation to the inside of the Brown Star as it is too dangerous but they started to look for the cannon and are using the coordinates of the Derelic Reaper and the planet impacted by the rounds and good job getting this intel (the guy gives us a similar message if we decide to send him a bunch of Cerberus files rather than keep them ourselves or giving them back to Cerberus) as anything that can stop a Reaper deserves study.
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Post by lordmoral on Aug 29, 2021 2:26:56 GMT
I'll agree here. Anderson knew Liara had been in contact with Cerberus and probably that she was the SB. Did he know that? Or are you referring to Hackett? Someone recovered Shepard's body and it didn't make its way back to the Alliance. When Shepard popped up the Alliance already knew. They showed no surprise. That's said, the destruction of the Bahak System couldn't be ignored. Nor could working with Cerberus. In both cases, Shepard seemed to be under house arrest for either or both of those situations. The plot hole here is that they didn't explain that to Shepard. The Alliance didn't explain crap to Shepard. It's all about the I don't care attitude, something they taught the little one in MEA. They wasted two years during the time Shepard was dead. They wasted 6 months while Shepard is locked up. The Alliance leadership is crap at best. They need to be removed. If anything, they might be do well in the custodian arts field. Yep. Every one of them. Hackett seemed to be the only one not stupid enough to make use of Shepard even while with Cerberus. He probably didn't have enough influence to sway things. Hackett does, he contacted Shepard to look into the mess his friend got herself into with a group of Deep Cover Operatives (Black Ops like Cerberus) that got id---- indoctrinated and, if you don't do Arrival Hackett sends members of the Special Forces (which die and cause the Bahak Relay and do a minus in your WA). By having Shepard do the mission the entire Alliance could deny involvement so while Hackett kept all Alliance Forces from contacting Shepard, even the groups who wanted to have him face five to six months of interrogation for his involvement with Cerberus, and he outright denied them. He is the Fleet Admiral of one of the biggest Fleets and the one with a lot of pull in the SA. Read the Shadow Broker Terminals that show you how alone Shepard was in ME2 and then in ME3, he kept the rest of the Alliance from contacting Shepard but after its declared on Horizon that Cerberus wasn't behind the abductions he contacts us to ask for a Black Ops (and he didn't wanted anymore witnesses I mean, people who would make it seem like an invasion was happening) as a Favor meaning no ties whatsoever to him heck, some of the missions he asked us to do in ME1 were just that: using our Spectre cover to do Alliance dirty secrets (even as a Paragon do the Renegade negotiation with the Warlord and kill him, one of the responses has Hackett telling you that he doesn't know what you are saying if you accuse him of wanting him dead as all he instructed you was to negotiate and because of your Spectre status the mission record is sealed). That A/K contacts Shepard if they are the player LI was honestly disheartening in ME3 as even two officers Shepard respected threw him to the flames. I love those messages Anderson says about Shepard in Citadel DLC, as he seems to feel responsible for the situation the player finds in.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 29, 2021 12:55:39 GMT
Someone recovered Shepard's body and it didn't make its way back to the Alliance. When Shepard popped up the Alliance already knew. They showed no surprise. It was the Blue suns that recovered the body, was it not? And didn't TIM send out a few hints ahead of time to whoever about Shepard being alive and with Cerberus? And since they showed no surprise, would that mean they didn't care? Of course it does since they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. Hackett is also part of the I don't care attitude group. After completing Arrival, he tells Shepard to finish up whatever he/she is doing before facing the music. Shepard faced no music. What if Shepard did as little as possible up to that point having a bunch of other stuff to do? How long would it take to do that other stuff? Hackett did say Shepard would be a good scapegoat. What's preventing the Batarians from going after Shepard while he/she is doing that other stuff? Nothing is stopping them since they were going to do a whole lot of nothing. In other words Shepard is locked up for stupid reasons instead of being out there looking for clues that can stop the reapers. During the 6 months, how much information did Shepard receive about whatever? He/she didn't know A/K got promoted. Why wouldn't Anderson let Shepard know that? It seems like the only time Anderson and Shepard faced each other in the six months was to talk about the collector base since Anderson makes that one comment about it after going up the beam to the Citadel. But back to Hackett the Slackett. He may not have pull, but he could have the committee of clowns at least listen to what Shepard has to say about the reapers. Instead nothing happens until the reapers show up just as Shepard is facing the committee of clowns. Bottom line it falls back on the leadership of the Alliance having the I don't care attitude.
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Post by lordmoral on Aug 29, 2021 15:50:08 GMT
Someone recovered Shepard's body and it didn't make its way back to the Alliance. When Shepard popped up the Alliance already knew. They showed no surprise. It was the Blue suns that recovered the body, was it not? And didn't TIM send out a few hints ahead of time to whoever about Shepard being alive and with Cerberus? And since they showed no surprise, would that mean they didn't care? Of course it does since they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. Hackett is also part of the I don't care attitude group. After completing Arrival, he tells Shepard to finish up whatever he/she is doing before facing the music. Shepard faced no music. What if Shepard did as little as possible up to that point having a bunch of other stuff to do? How long would it take to do that other stuff? Hackett did say Shepard would be a good scapegoat. What's preventing the Batarians from going after Shepard while he/she is doing that other stuff? Nothing is stopping them since they were going to do a whole lot of nothing. In other words Shepard is locked up for stupid reasons instead of being out there looking for clues that can stop the reapers. During the 6 months, how much information did Shepard receive about whatever? He/she didn't know A/K got promoted. Why wouldn't Anderson let Shepard know that? It seems like the only time Anderson and Shepard faced each other in the six months was to talk about the collector base since Anderson makes that one comment about it after going up the beam to the Citadel. But back to Hackett the Slackett. He may not have pull, but he could have the committee of clowns at least listen to what Shepard has to say about the reapers. Instead nothing happens until the reapers show up just as Shepard is facing the committee of clowns. Bottom line it falls back on the leadership of the Alliance having the I don't care attitude. Hackett has a lot of pull, he is a Fleet Admiral, Rear Admiral (Kohuto, Mikhailovich) is the lowest along with General (Williams and we know what happened to him) then there is Admiral (Anderson in ME2 or ME3 if he took the role of First Human Councilor and Mikhailovich in ME3 if the Council wasn't saved) culminating in Fleet Admiral (Hackett). He is one of the most influential people in the Alliance while there are other Fleet Admirals HE kept the Alliance from mobilizing against Shepard and bring him/her to be six months locked up during the Collector Crisis. In my head cannon Shepard will stay with the Alliance to help rebuild and while he achieved the rank of Admiral he is taking on high risk assignments to get an retirement with pension and benefits but because of his mental status they are keeping him from more active battlefields and are using his Spectre experience to train the next round of candidates (Miranda is an automatic Spectre choice and unlike Vega doesn't need that training). He'll likely keep getting paged to deal with difficult situations for his Spectre status but he tells himself he will now care for his family while Williams continues her career. SA ranks: masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Codex/Humanity_and_the_Systems_Alliance#Systems_Alliance:_Military_Ranks
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Post by larsdt on Sept 6, 2021 1:28:41 GMT
Taking a more big picture approach, I still see the major culprit being the 2 years between the events of ME1 and ME2. Killing Shepard off for two years may have created some drama (imo in a very limited capacity). However, it backfires when trying to tell a cohesive story over 3 games.
Whatever decisions taken by people in charge would be easier to justfy without that intermezzo. Everyone cought on their heels scrambling in panic mode would be more relatable with a more compressed timeline.
Since we are told virtually nothing about those 2 coma years, we are left with all these "why" and "what" questions.
Just another sign Bioware did'nt have a story for a trilogy when they began with ME1. They created some short-lived tension during the opening credits of ME2 but imho it works against the trilogy as a whole.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 6, 2021 2:03:44 GMT
Taking a more big picture approach, I still see the major culprit beeing the 2 years between the events of ME1 and ME2. Killing Shepard off for two years may have created some drama (imo in a very limited capacity). However, it backfires when trying to tell a cohesive story over 3 games. Whatever decisions taken by people in charge would be easier to justfy without that intermezzo. Everyone cought on their heels scrambling in panic mode would be more relatable with a more compressed timeline. Since we are told virtually nothing about those 2 coma years, we are left with all these "why" and "what" questions. Just another sign Bioware did'nt have a story for a trilogy when they began with ME1. They created some short-lived tension during the opening credits of ME2 but imho it works against the trilogy as a hole. Good point, many people have stated that Mass Effect 3 issues started with ME2: Bioware went for a more compressed story and while if helped streamline a lot of situations it also meant that things like the 2 years, A/K only relegated to a cameo appearance, Bioware ignored the Reapers until Arrival DLC and more things that needed to be bull rushed in ME3. Most of the character development was great, for the ones who joined you and Liara and Wrex, but EE got left in the dumpster.
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Post by larsdt on Sept 6, 2021 2:38:17 GMT
Good point, many people have stated that Mass Effect 3 issues started with ME2: Bioware went for a more compressed story and while if helped streamline a lot of situations it also meant that things like the 2 years, A/K only relegated to a cameo appearance, Bioware ignored the Reapers until Arrival DLC and more things that needed to be bull rushed in ME3. Most of the character development was great, for the ones who joined you and Liara and Wrex, but EE got left in the dumpster. There are plenty or worm cans regarding the story and development of ME2 and 3. All of which have been pried open by BSN'ers over the years . In the context of this thread, my main issue is simply that the timeline seems arbitrary. Why does it take 2 years for Shepard to be resurrected? Why are the Reapers delayed by 6 months in Arrival? If we are given no answers, other questions start to pile up like in this thread. The behavior of many characters makes no sense, not because of how they are written but how their story fits in a 2 year and/or 6 months window...
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 6, 2021 5:12:14 GMT
Just another sign Bioware did'nt have a story for a trilogy when they began with ME1. They created some short-lived tension during the opening credits of ME2 but imho it works against the trilogy as a whole. I agree on ME1. They probably had no idea if it was really going to take off. It went better than expected but I think at this point they got gobbled up by EA. Plenty have said, and I agree, that the basic outline of ME2 would have worked better as ME1. We face a threat (Collectors) and learn it's just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, "Harbinger" even works better as the first Reaper we see. Arrival DLC still happens in the repositioned game and that's when we learn what we're really facing. The Reapers fail to get through the Alpha Relay - the name even works best since, y'know, "first" and all. Next game we have Sovereign come along. It was either there already or somehow made it ahead of the others. It starts indoctrinating, with Saren being its primary agent. Events move along similarly. At this point we could still have Cerberus enter. If the Council and Alliance continued their stupidity, and considered the defeat of the Collectors as the end of the threat, means Shepard has to look elsewhere. I'd skip the whole Space Jesus thing but either way Shepard would align with Cerberus on this issue. ME3 proceeds pretty much the same, though we could obviously fix the endings.
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Post by lordmoral on Sept 6, 2021 11:02:50 GMT
Good point, many people have stated that Mass Effect 3 issues started with ME2: Bioware went for a more compressed story and while if helped streamline a lot of situations it also meant that things like the 2 years, A/K only relegated to a cameo appearance, Bioware ignored the Reapers until Arrival DLC and more things that needed to be bull rushed in ME3. Most of the character development was great, for the ones who joined you and Liara and Wrex, but EE got left in the dumpster. There are plenty or worm cans regarding the story and development of ME2 and 3. All of which have been pried open by BSN'ers over the years . In the context of this thread, my main issue is simply that the timeline seems arbitrary. Why does it take 2 years for Shepard to be resurrected? Why are the Reapers delayed by 6 months in Arrival? If we are given no answers, other questions start to pile up like in this thread. The behavior of many characters makes no sense, not because of how they are written but how their story fits in a 2 year and/or 6 months window... Good point.
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Post by shotgunjulia on Sept 17, 2021 19:32:36 GMT
I know this thread kind of died... but... back in ME1... imagine after Udina locked out the Normandy if Anderson did nothing? And you and your team just enjoyed a nice day chilling on the Citadel knocking back a few brews. The Saren attacked and came through that "conduit". You were there already. You could have stopped him and taken out his Geth right there. He might not have even made it to the control panel.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 18, 2021 1:32:49 GMT
I know this thread kind of died... but... back in ME1... imagine after Udina locked out the Normandy if Anderson did nothing? And you and your team just enjoyed a nice day chilling on the Citadel knocking back a few brews. The Saren attacked and came through that "conduit". You were there already. You could have stopped him and taken out his Geth right there. He might not have even made it to the control panel. I imagine had Udina not done anything, the council would have done something to prevent Shepard from doing anything. I would not be surprised if the SR1 ended up helping the Citadel fleet fight off the geth attack while Saren was using the backdoor to get on the Citadel. It's possible when the attack occurs, Shepard believes Saren would be on the reaper.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Sept 23, 2021 15:49:19 GMT
Like many mentioned before, it is hard for those in charge to admit there is a crisis. However, the fact that Shepard was a Spectre, should have been a way to investigate the reaper problem and to avoid a galactic panic at the same time. Whatever the reasons behind the Council's incompetence, it was always a joy to shutdown their conversations.
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