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Post by talyn82 on Jul 23, 2021 7:34:26 GMT
You know I was thinking what Javik says in ME3 about Shepard knowing for two years about the imminent attack by the Reapers. In my opinion the Alliance and the Council really dropped the ball. They had 2 whole years to prepare and did nothing but deny the threat, and then when Shepard defeats the Collectors and saves an untold number of human colonies, what is his reward? Imprisonment even though he disassociated himself from Cerberus and came back to the Alliance.
In my opinion if the Alliance and the Council had taken the Reaper threat seriously, they could have been better prepared for the Reapers, since they had close to 3 years to prepare.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 23, 2021 7:50:31 GMT
Those three years of preparation would have done absolutely nothing. It is beaten over our heads throughout ME3 that conventional warfare would not work against them.
As for being imprisoned, that tends to happen when you work for a terrorist supremacist organization. The fact they left it is irrelevant (and of course if you play Arrival it’s because you murdered 300,000 innocent civilians thus making you among the worst war criminals in human history).
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 23, 2021 8:30:05 GMT
The incompetence of your own side plus that of any possibly allied factions is a pillar of BioWare plots. See also: DAI's mage/templar conflict, Wardens going full moron, the entire Andromeda Initiative and so on.
In BioWare games I often feel like I have to force everyone to their own salvation through a constant barrage of kicks delivered to pretty stupid derrières.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 23, 2021 11:12:26 GMT
The incompetence of your own side plus that of any possibly allied factions is a pillar of BioWare plots. See also: DAI's mage/templar conflict, Wardens going full moron, the entire Andromeda Initiative and so on. In BioWare games I often feel like I have to force everyone to their own salvation through a constant barrage of kicks delivered to pretty stupid derrières. To be fair that is actually pretty realistic. Just look at how so many people and governments have dealt with covid. I to thought the way the Council and Alliance handled the Reaper situation was pants on head level stupid. After living though an ongoing pandemic suddenly it all makes a lot more sense.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 23, 2021 11:54:59 GMT
It starts with the asari. Had that artifact been made public however long ago, it's possible something could have been done. After all they were the ones that made the law about anything prothean related.
Then there's the circus, I mean Alliance. You have the Anderson guy constantly saying I believe you, I trust you, then turns around to tell Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers. He never cared. The circus never cared. How hard would it have been to ask the so-called prothean expert to investigate the Mars archive after Saren was stopped? Then the circus decides to lock up Shepard. Shepard has the cipher. But no, lets lock up someone who could understand prothean stuff by having him/her investigate the Mars archives, or whatever. And there's that Anderson clown again. He says we just need you to help us find a way to stop the reapers. **** you Anderson. You're now asking for my help after saying it's up to me to find a way. Yeah. **** you Anderson. But it's the whole Alliance leadership that is pathetic as seen at the beginning of ME3.
As much as I don't care about the council, I agree with a couple of things they do/say. If someone were to come to me with words that something is out there that will to something, something, I would need some evidence that proves that. Shepard and squad have omni-tools that could be used to record stuff. Look at ME3. Wrex faces Shepard with audio of what was said between the salarian and Shepard. The other thing is the asari councilor could have done the mind meld thing. But that would have taken something more to happen. Maybe if Shiala was brought back to tell the council what she told Shepard might help. In ME3, they don't give Shepard help right away at first when the plans for the device are presented to them. It's a longshot and why didn't the protheans use it?
I will add the protheans. In the plans why not have a picture of the device being attached to the Citadel? But that couldn't happen because of the lame excuse given by Vendetta on Cronos. On Thessia, Javik mentioned his species thought the asari would be wise and all that stuff, but turns out they weren't. Why didn't they implant the cipher into the asari? The reaper war might never have happened.
I will add another, Bioware. They had to make the reapers stupid in this cycle for them to be destroyed. Had they travelled to the Milky Way right away after finding out they can't use the their relay trap, the galaxy would have been harvested.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 23, 2021 12:18:38 GMT
The incompetence of your own side plus that of any possibly allied factions is a pillar of BioWare plots. See also: DAI's mage/templar conflict, Wardens going full moron, the entire Andromeda Initiative and so on. In BioWare games I often feel like I have to force everyone to their own salvation through a constant barrage of kicks delivered to pretty stupid derrières. To be fair that is actually pretty realistic. Just look at how so many people and governments have dealt with covid. I to thought the way the Council and Alliance handled the Reaper situation was pants on head level stupid. After living though an ongoing pandemic suddenly it all makes a lot more sense. Yeah, it actually is fairly realistic... sadly. It also reminds me of Max Brooks' "World War Z" (the book, not the movie!) where the world's governments turn out to be similarly incompetent when dealing with a really nasty pandemic.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 23, 2021 12:34:17 GMT
The incompetence of your own side plus that of any possibly allied factions is a pillar of BioWare plots. See also: DAI's mage/templar conflict, Wardens going full moron, the entire Andromeda Initiative and so on. In BioWare games I often feel like I have to force everyone to their own salvation through a constant barrage of kicks delivered to pretty stupid derrières.
BioWare has always done that "here is a huge problem that the government is caught off guard or unaware of and/or is involved in a civil war and now it's up to a lone hero to solve it". DA2 is the one game that comes the closet to subverting it and in the end Hawke is still one to kill both Orsino and Meredith and save Kirkwall.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 23, 2021 20:33:43 GMT
Those three years of preparation would have done absolutely nothing. It is beaten over our heads throughout ME3 that conventional warfare would not work against them. As for being imprisoned, that tends to happen when you work for a terrorist supremacist organization. The fact they left it is irrelevant (and of course if you play Arrival it’s because you murdered 300,000 innocent civilians thus making you among the worst war criminals in human history). Ah, I forgot about the 300,000 Batarians who were killed since I hate that dlc and chose to put it out of my mind. About working for Cerberus, if the Alliance and the Council weren't so incompetent and would have done something about the missing colonists, Shepard wouldn't need Cerberus. Aside from the dead Batarians which I agree with you was horrific. Shepard needed to do what had to be done to save the human colonies.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 23, 2021 22:10:18 GMT
Those three years of preparation would have done absolutely nothing. It is beaten over our heads throughout ME3 that conventional warfare would not work against them. As for being imprisoned, that tends to happen when you work for a terrorist supremacist organization. The fact they left it is irrelevant (and of course if you play Arrival it’s because you murdered 300,000 innocent civilians thus making you among the worst war criminals in human history). Ah, I forgot about the 300,000 Batarians who were killed since I hate that dlc and chose to put it out of my mind. About working for Cerberus, if the Alliance and the Council weren't so incompetent and would have done something about the missing colonists, Shepard wouldn't need Cerberus. Aside from the dead Batarians which I agree with you was horrific. Shepard needed to do what had to be done to save the human colonies. Why would the Alliance or Council do anything? Those colonies were outside their jurisdiction, many specifically because they didn’t want the Alliance or Council involved in their lives. They even stated earlier that moving in would cause a war with the Terminus Systems which would kill a lot more people. It’d be like if the US after the Revolutionary War got into trouble, they got mad at Britain for not helping them despite them making it clear they wanted Britain gone.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 23, 2021 22:15:10 GMT
Ah, I forgot about the 300,000 Batarians who were killed since I hate that dlc and chose to put it out of my mind. About working for Cerberus, if the Alliance and the Council weren't so incompetent and would have done something about the missing colonists, Shepard wouldn't need Cerberus. Aside from the dead Batarians which I agree with you was horrific. Shepard needed to do what had to be done to save the human colonies. Why would the Alliance or Council do anything? Those colonies were outside their jurisdiction, many specifically because they didn’t want the Alliance or Council involved in their lives. They even stated earlier that moving in would cause a war with the Terminus Systems which would kill a lot more people. It’d be like if the US after the Revolutionary War got into trouble, they got mad at Britain for not helping them despite them making it clear they wanted Britain gone. Doesn't the Alliance need the human colonies? Aren't the Alliance made up of humans? I think the Alliance would have a interest in whether or not a colony is successful. If the Alliance doesn't care about the human colonies then why have them in the first place?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 23, 2021 22:29:20 GMT
Why would the Alliance or Council do anything? Those colonies were outside their jurisdiction, many specifically because they didn’t want the Alliance or Council involved in their lives. They even stated earlier that moving in would cause a war with the Terminus Systems which would kill a lot more people. It’d be like if the US after the Revolutionary War got into trouble, they got mad at Britain for not helping them despite them making it clear they wanted Britain gone. Doesn't the Alliance need the human colonies? Aren't the Alliance made up of humans? I think the Alliance would have a interest in whether or not a colony is successful. If the Alliance doesn't care about the human colonies then why have them in the first place? The Alliance didn't establish those colonies. Those colonies wanted independence from them, thus why they established themselves in the Terminus Systems as opposed to the Attican Traverse which is under the Alliance. Sure the Alliance wants the colonies to be successful, but they have no authority over the colonies in the Terminus.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 23, 2021 22:37:54 GMT
Doesn't the Alliance need the human colonies? Aren't the Alliance made up of humans? I think the Alliance would have a interest in whether or not a colony is successful. If the Alliance doesn't care about the human colonies then why have them in the first place? The Alliance didn't establish those colonies. Those colonies wanted independence from them, thus why they established themselves in the Terminus Systems as opposed to the Attican Traverse which is under the Alliance. Sure the Alliance wants the colonies to be successful, but they have no authority over the colonies in the Terminus. Oh duh yeah I forgot the humans colonies that were being attacked were in the Terminus system. I do remember that one guy on Horizon who was anti Alliance, and was against Ashley/Kaidan being there.
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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Jul 24, 2021 5:32:51 GMT
Not all of the colonies hit by the Collectors were in the Terminus Systems or outside of Alliance space.
Shiala and the Protheans should have played a much bigger role, as well as Liara. Both melded with Shepard to either give (Shiala) or share (Liara) the Prothean Cipher. Apparently, neither the Asari Prothen Beacon/Archive nor the Human one were fully transcribed or translated yet. Get the blue gals and Shepard on that.
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Post by Element Zero on Jul 24, 2021 13:58:02 GMT
Not all of the colonies hit by the Collectors were in the Terminus Systems or outside of Alliance space. Shiala and the Protheans should have played a much bigger role, as well as Liara. Both melded with Shepard to either give (Shiala) or share (Liara) the Prothean Cipher. Apparently, neither the Asari Prothen Beacon/Archive nor the Human one were fully transcribed or translated yet. Get the blue gals and Shepard on that. I don't think Liara actually got the Cypher, but rather only shared Shep's memories. There are numerous instances of Liara saying, "Oh, you understand that? It must be the Prothean Cypher." Shiala was definitely a somewhat wasted resource. It's cool she helps Zhu's Hope, but she could've been productive elsewhere, as you said. She was indoctrinated. Only the Thorian-based connection with her neighbors kept her from becoming a Reaper slave. Maybe she would've gone bad if she wasn't in close proximity to them more often than not? I'm sure she could've done translation work remotely with proper security access; but maybe it wouldn't be worth the risk? No one could've predicted how the Thorian-connection would spare her. It worked out in the end. Shepard killed those Reapers ded. D-E-D.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 24, 2021 15:11:22 GMT
I would say t'soni could have learned about the protheans after mind melding with Shepard after he/she got the cipher. Isn't that how it worked with Shiala? I would guess it works in reverse? The cipher is a missed opportunity. Here's more about that. I mentioned the asari and the artifact in my above post, but I should have added that if Bioware were given more time, they originally had the Thessia mission happen before the coup. Meaning Shepard would have known about the artifact earlier.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jul 24, 2021 17:13:31 GMT
I do agree the Council is incompetent but I wouldn't say their denial of the Reapers is a great example of that. Surely they did fail to react in an appropriate way to Saren's attack, or to investigate it, but not believing in the Reapers? Shepard never had good, indisputable evidence of this threat. Even Sovereign's corpse isn't hard proof. It's one thing to have one Reaper, Sovereign, and prove the geth didn't build it, but that still doesn't prove the existence of the great Reaper armada or the existence of the Cycle.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 26, 2021 2:48:52 GMT
So last night I completed The Arrival dlc, and when speaking to Admiral Hackett, Shepard said when he was done with the Collectors that he would go back to earth and stand trial. So I was wrong Shepard wasn't imprisoned because of Cerberus, but because of what Hanako Ikezawa said the 300,000 dead Batarians.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 26, 2021 13:18:17 GMT
So last night I completed The Arrival dlc, and when speaking to Admiral Hackett, Shepard said when he was done with the Collectors that he would go back to earth and stand trial. So I was wrong Shepard wasn't imprisoned because of Cerberus, but because of what Hanako Ikezawa said the 300,000 dead Batarians. Canonically (as far as there can be) it is because of the 300k batarians. But if you didn't do arrival they account for that by saying Cerberus.
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So last night I completed The Arrival dlc, and when speaking to Admiral Hackett, Shepard said when he was done with the Collectors that he would go back to earth and stand trial. So I was wrong Shepard wasn't imprisoned because of Cerberus, but because of what Hanako Ikezawa said the 300,000 dead Batarians. Canonically (as far as there can be) it is because of the 300k batarians. But if you didn't do arrival they account for that by saying Cerberus. Technically, Shepard is put in detention "for the sh*t [he/she] has done." according to Anderson at the beginning of ME3... so it could be a reference to working with Cerberus or it could be for any other number of things Shepard has done throughout the galaxy while working for Cerberus. It could be for not sending the data on the Cerberus operative to the Alliance (Lost Operative mission in ME2) or destroying the colony or spaceport or even for turning over the Collector Base to TIM (if the player made those decisions)... or for blowing up a "garbage dump" on Pragia, shooting up a Transport Terminal on Ilium, or helping to assassinate a turian in a public place on the Citadel... etc..
What makes it all nonsensical to me is if Shepard retains his/her spectre status in ME2... since he/she then only answers to the Council and not the Alliance and anything he/she does is allegedly "above the law." If Shepard told the Council to stuff his/her spectre status in ME2, then it could also be for anything done in ME1... like turning Kohoku's data over to the Shadow Broker or for setting a nuke off on Virmire... or the cumulative effect of all of them. Let's face it, Shepard isn't the poster "good guy" even if played as a total paragon.
talyn82 - IMO, the entire "council is blind, deaf, and dumb" line is entirely overused in the ME franchise... and the overall story is less than it could have been for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:57:23 GMT
Not all of the colonies hit by the Collectors were in the Terminus Systems or outside of Alliance space. Shiala and the Protheans should have played a much bigger role, as well as Liara. Both melded with Shepard to either give (Shiala) or share (Liara) the Prothean Cipher. Apparently, neither the Asari Prothen Beacon/Archive nor the Human one were fully transcribed or translated yet. Get the blue gals and Shepard on that. I think you're mistaken there. Feros was hit by the geth under Saren, not the Collectors. Terra Nova was hit by the Batarians. I believe the colonies named in the games as having been hit by the Collectors all in the Terminus Systems. From the Wiki:
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 26, 2021 16:46:12 GMT
Canonically (as far as there can be) it is because of the 300k batarians. But if you didn't do arrival they account for that by saying Cerberus. Technically, Shepard is put in detention "for the sh*t [he/she] has done." according to Anderson at the beginning of ME3... so it could be a reference to working with Cerberus or it could be for any other number of things Shepard has done throughout the galaxy while working for Cerberus. It could be for not sending the data on the Cerberus operative to the Alliance (Lost Operative mission in ME2) or destroying the colony or spaceport or even for turning over the Collector Base to TIM (if the player made those decisions)... or for blowing up a "garbage dump" on Pragia, shooting up a Transport Terminal on Ilium, or helping to assassinate a turian in a public place on the Citadel... etc..
What makes it all nonsensical to me is if Shepard retains his/her spectre status in ME2... since he/she then only answers to the Council and not the Alliance and anything he/she does is allegedly "above the law." If Shepard told the Council to stuff his/her spectre status in ME2, then it could also be for anything done in ME1... like turning Kohoku's data over to the Shadow Broker or for setting a nuke off on Virmire... or the cumulative effect of all of them. Let's face it, Shepard isn't the poster "good guy" even if played as a total paragon.
talyn82 - IMO, the entire "council is blind, deaf, and dumb" line is entirely overused in the ME franchise... and the overall story is less than it could have been for it.
The fact you possibly can't get your Specture status is also part of the problem. They have to make a few calls to get everyone on the same page even if it means bending the rules a little bit.
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Technically, Shepard is put in detention "for the sh*t [he/she] has done." according to Anderson at the beginning of ME3... so it could be a reference to working with Cerberus or it could be for any other number of things Shepard has done throughout the galaxy while working for Cerberus. It could be for not sending the data on the Cerberus operative to the Alliance (Lost Operative mission in ME2) or destroying the colony or spaceport or even for turning over the Collector Base to TIM (if the player made those decisions)... or for blowing up a "garbage dump" on Pragia, shooting up a Transport Terminal on Ilium, or helping to assassinate a turian in a public place on the Citadel... etc..
What makes it all nonsensical to me is if Shepard retains his/her spectre status in ME2... since he/she then only answers to the Council and not the Alliance and anything he/she does is allegedly "above the law." If Shepard told the Council to stuff his/her spectre status in ME2, then it could also be for anything done in ME1... like turning Kohoku's data over to the Shadow Broker or for setting a nuke off on Virmire... or the cumulative effect of all of them. Let's face it, Shepard isn't the poster "good guy" even if played as a total paragon.
talyn82 - IMO, the entire "council is blind, deaf, and dumb" line is entirely overused in the ME franchise... and the overall story is less than it could have been for it.
The fact you possibly can't get your Specture status is also part of the problem. They have to make a few calls to get everyone on the same page even if it means bending the rules a little bit.
However, they (Bioware) also wrote that "fact" into the game... and it's odd that it's only with an all human council that Shepard doesn't have the option to get spectre status. You would think they (all human council) would be the ones desperate to have some sort of human representation in the spectres rather than have their elite black ops unit be all aliens.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 26, 2021 18:37:17 GMT
The fact you possibly can't get your Specture status is also part of the problem. They have to make a few calls to get everyone on the same page even if it means bending the rules a little bit.
However, they (Bioware) also wrote that "fact" into the game... and it's odd that it's only with an all human council that Shepard doesn't have the option to get spectre status. You would think they (all human council) would be the ones desperate to have some sort of human representation in the spectres rather than have their elite black ops unit be all aliens. Are you sure about that? When I first played ME2 I saved the fleet instead of the Council in ME1, and made Anderson Councilor. In ME2 either Anderson or Shepard asks for their Spectre status to be reinstated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 18:50:08 GMT
However, they (Bioware) also wrote that "fact" into the game... and it's odd that it's only with an all human council that Shepard doesn't have the option to get spectre status. You would think they (all human council) would be the ones desperate to have some sort of human representation in the spectres rather than have their elite black ops unit be all aliens. Are you sure about that? When I first played ME2 I saved the fleet instead of the Council in ME1, and made Anderson Councilor. In ME2 either Anderson or Shepard asks for their Spectre status to be reinstated. I just didn't specify councilor because I didn't think it was that relevant to my point. The detail is that if Udina leads an all-human council, Shepard cannot get his/her spectre status back in ME2. If Anderson leads an all-human council, Shepard can get specture status because Anderson overrides everyone on the ocuncil. If Udina leadsta multi-species council (regardless of whether it's the first council or the replacement one), Shepard can also get spectre status because Anderson (as Udina's assistant) goes behind Udina's back directly to the other species members of the council.
To me, it's all wrong the way Bioware wrote it... too focused on Udina. With an all-human council, Shepard should have had the easiest time getting spectre status because he/she is, to that point, the only human representative on the spectres. In addition, an all-human council should have been as gung-ho about appointing more humans to the spectres as C-Sec was about recruiting human captains. If you're going to initiated an effective "coup" by virtue of the deaths of the original councillors, then humanity should have ensured they controlled all aspects of the police force. It's just how it's done.
The only council that should have possible been reluctant about reinstating Shepard should have been a the multi-species replacement one. In any other case, Shepard could be seen as a loyal spectre agent infiltrating a suspect organization... and anything he/she does there is maintained as being "spectre business" and above the law.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 26, 2021 19:21:25 GMT
Are you sure about that? When I first played ME2 I saved the fleet instead of the Council in ME1, and made Anderson Councilor. In ME2 either Anderson or Shepard asks for their Spectre status to be reinstated. I just didn't specify councilor because I didn't think it was that relevant to my point. The detail is that if Udina leads an all-human council, Shepard cannot get his/her spectre status back in ME2. If Anderson leads an all-human council, Shepard can get specture status because Anderson overrides everyone on the ocuncil. If Udina leadsta multi-species council (regardless of whether it's the first council or the replacement one), Shepard can also get spectre status because Anderson (as Udina's assistant) goes behind Udina's back directly to the other species members of the council.
To me, it's all wrong the way Bioware wrote it... too focused on Udina. With an all-human council, Shepard should have had the easiest time getting spectre status because he/she is, to that point, the only human representative on the spectres. In addition, an all-human council should have been as gung-ho about appointing more humans to the spectres as C-Sec was about recruiting human captains. If you're going to initiated an effective "coup" by virtue of the deaths of the original councillors, then humanity should have ensured they controlled all aspects of the police force. It's just how it's done.
The only council that should have possible been reluctant about reinstating Shepard should have been a the multi-species replacement one. In any other case, Shepard could be seen as a loyal spectre agent infiltrating a suspect organization... and anything he/she does there is maintained as being "spectre business" and above the law.
I should've known you were talking about Udina I hate that guy, another blind politician who almost let Sovereign complete his plans.
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