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Post by Felya87 on Aug 17, 2021 18:10:39 GMT
If the game doesn't follow Ryder's story (and I would like play again as Ryder), than I'd love to play as an alien! I'm not much into Asari, but they are extremely easy to make possibile as a playable race, since are just women with a fixed hairstyle, blue skin, and no eyebrows. Than Drell are very easy too, extremely human-like, just with bigger eyes. They even have the same number of fingers and the same feet. Quarian, if we finally get a definitive model, could be relatively easy too, feet and hands aside. Turian and Batarian may be tricky becaouse of the differences in expressions due to the facial structures, while Angara and Salarian have particular feet and legs.
As for the reactions and culture stuff, if we are in Adromeda, most likely our character have not been in contact with their race culture enought to know much, after all, we already have Vetra who is a Turian only in body model, or I don't see it as too much of a work to add some dialogues and reactions here and there. Is not Dragon Age. Most races have superficial conflict (aside Krogans) and by the end of ME3 and Andromeda, no one care enought. Expecially if it's all years after either ME3 or MEA.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 18, 2021 7:31:30 GMT
Quarian, if we finally get a definitive model, could be relatively easy too, feet and hands aside. Turian and Batarian may be tricky becaouse of the differences in expressions due to the facial structures, while Angara and Salarian have particular feet and legs. The same issue with turians and batarians is true of quarians. We would never see their facial expressions. They would always been hidden behind a mask.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 18, 2021 8:10:02 GMT
Quarian, if we finally get a definitive model, could be relatively easy too, feet and hands aside. Turian and Batarian may be tricky becaouse of the differences in expressions due to the facial structures, while Angara and Salarian have particular feet and legs. The same issue with turians and batarians is true of quarians. We would never see their facial expressions. They would always been hidden behind a mask. Depends on if the game takes place before or after their immune systems have recovered.
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Post by Felya87 on Aug 18, 2021 8:41:03 GMT
Quarian, if we finally get a definitive model, could be relatively easy notoo, feet and hands aside. Turian and Batarian may be tricky becaouse of the differences in expressions due to the facial structures, while Angara and Salarian have particular feet and legs. The same issue with turians and batarians is true of quarians. We would never see their facial expressions. They would always been hidden behind a mask. Not really. The glass can be made transparent, so it would be no different than all the helmets we already had in the trilogy. Alternatively, it would not be that hard to create some kind of cure/reason to have our character without a helmet in the mostly-sterile place of the ship (a regular vaccine every tot time to be free to stay around the same crew in the same ship, helmet outside the ship.). ME3 already mentioned that there was a way to get future generations of Quarian outside of their suits, tho the mayority would keep them as a cultural sign. Nothing exclude those suits could change some of the designs too over time (Tali's suit changed between ME1 and 2, if I remember correctly) and since it's possible years have passed since the actual trilogy, solutions, both medical and technological can be found (plus Andromeda have the fact that Quarian would have the chance to get help from all the others races.) Basically, if it can be found a cure for the genophage, it can be found for the Quarian immunity system.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 18, 2021 19:44:44 GMT
The question is are you willing to sacrifice other things for it. Yes it might be nice to play something besides a human, but would that mean that BioWare would have to make all the things that contain the other races to be more like Dragon Age: Inquisition? The majority of sequences in Dragon Age: Inquisition felt like they were social distancing to prevent any irregularities due to the different rigs for the different races. How about romances people count the romances and will complain if they don't feel they have their personal tastes satisfied. Would the Asari romance be limited to Asari so nobody else can romance them so there was a romance for them or would they just cut all romances out because they would spend that time animating in other areas of the game to make sure that there aren't strange issues with the models, animations, hit boxes, etc. Then how about class restrictions for even with the MP aspect I don't think every race could be able to use every ability. It was all custom work so that would require that much more testing for you would need to go through everything for each ability and weapon to make sure those animations worked in every aspect of single player. There is probably even more work attached to make it work. If it was just combat then it probably would be much easier for that is what they need for multiple races to function, but there is only so much time and so much people in each department to work on the game so it might cause other things to be removed from the game to make it work. Then it would also be put through the lens of "how many people will really use this" compared to "how many people would use this we would cut" and a decision would have to be made. Don't get me wrong, I would probably use it for at least one playthrough, but I just don't think its as easy of a task as it might seem to be. DAI was their best game, so I see no problem with that. But to address your points: For romances, why would it have to be different. The LIs are still attracted to who they're attracted to. Most of DAI's romances weren't race locked, the only two that were being the ones they added during their year extension. Have some unique dialogue perhaps, but it wouldn't be too radical for the setting. For sex scenes sure they may have to go to fade to black, but then most of Bioware's romances have done that so again no issue. Why would there be class restrictions? Dragon Age never had class restrictions, other than dwarves can't be mages, but in ME all races have had examples of biotic users. And they never had ability restrictions in DA.
The kiss in the garden between a qunari Inquisitor and Josephine has always looked funny, because it looks like Josie is holding on the qunari's butt for dear life and with a dwarf when she kisses a dwarf it looks she's eating the dwarf's face.
The scenes where you start and lock in the romance with Josie can look unintentionally funny especially with the qunari and the dwarf (mostly because of Josie standing on one leg in those scenes). The human and elf don't look too bad due to them being closer to her in height.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 20, 2021 19:35:04 GMT
Eh, aliens in the ME universe are really just funny-looking humans. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I mean, look at Star Trek. But I really see nothing special about playing an alien vs playing a human. All you're changing are the CC options.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 20, 2021 19:39:13 GMT
The kiss in the garden between a qunari Inquisitor and Josephine has always looked funny, because it looks like Josie is holding on the qunari's butt for dear life and with a dwarf when she kisses a dwarf it looks she's eating the dwarf's face. Try modding things to allow Cullen to romance a male Inquisitor. The Inquisitor ends up being taller so Cullen is just making out with his neck. I can imagine something similar with a qunari and one of the other races.
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Post by XCPTNL on Aug 20, 2021 20:19:59 GMT
As much as I like playing Drell and Asari in multiplayer I don't think it's a good idea to put that option into the single player campaign. The story and dialogue would probably have to be kinda generic to still make sense regardless of your chosen race. Of course it could work but I'd rather have a storyline tailored around a playable human like Shepard. Just imagine the trilogy had allowed you to choose - a lot of things wouldn't have worked well at all then.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 20, 2021 20:35:38 GMT
The kiss in the garden between a qunari Inquisitor and Josephine has always looked funny, because it looks like Josie is holding on the qunari's butt for dear life and with a dwarf when she kisses a dwarf it looks she's eating the dwarf's face. Try modding things to allow Cullen to romance a male Inquisitor. The Inquisitor ends up being taller so Cullen is just making out with his neck. I can imagine something similar with a qunari and one of the other races.
Can't mod BioWare because I'm superior console player. Seriously though there isn't enough money in the universe to get pay a game on my PC again.
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Post by elegantpony on Aug 21, 2021 4:03:09 GMT
Besides, that's what MP is for.
Thats such a cop-out response. People who want to play as an alien want to play as one for the sake of STORY also believe it or not there are people who identify more with certain alien species in Mass Effect than they do with humans, or just simply like them more.
I love the Mass Effect (Milky Way) setting so much, and as much as I love Femshep being forced to play as a human in the story has always been the low point for me. Also I like the military aspect but I'm so sick and tired of the Alliance and Cerberus. Specially the Alliance's aesthetics.
I'd like to explore an Asari or Turian military origin for goodness sake.
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Post by elegantpony on Aug 21, 2021 4:05:28 GMT
Quarian, if we finally get a definitive model, could be relatively easy too, feet and hands aside. Turian and Batarian may be tricky becaouse of the differences in expressions due to the facial structures, while Angara and Salarian have particular feet and legs. The same issue with turians and batarians is true of quarians. We would never see their facial expressions. They would always been hidden behind a mask. The next game takes place during the course of hundreds of years (which is why Liara is a matriarch in the trailer) the Quarian immune system could have recovered by then.
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Post by elegantpony on Aug 21, 2021 4:07:57 GMT
Eh, aliens in the ME universe are really just funny-looking humans. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I mean, look at Star Trek. But I really see nothing special about playing an alien vs playing a human. All you're changing are the CC options. I mean you don't really have to see anything special about it. There are tons of people, long time fans who want the option for various reasons and it would be for them or for people who simply want to try out a slightly different perspective.
Not every addition needs to appeal to everyone...
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 21, 2021 11:47:42 GMT
Besides, that's what MP is for.
Thats such a cop-out response. People who want to play as an alien want to play as one for the sake of STORY also believe it or not there are people who identify more with certain alien species in Mass Effect than they do with humans, or just simply like them more.
I love the Mass Effect (Milky Way) setting so much, and as much as I love Femshep being forced to play as a human in the story has always been the low point for me. Also I like the military aspect but I'm so sick and tired of the Alliance and Cerberus. Specially the Alliance's aesthetics.
I'd like to explore an Asari or Turian military origin for goodness sake.
I think the big problem is that studios find the majority of people don't play aliens so the implementation is just a human in a rubber suit for the majority of the game doesn't change at all or is so little that it doesn't make a wave. That was my biggest problem with Inquisition and Origins, with Inquisition you had a handful of different dialogues regarding your race, but the rest of the time all the dialogue is the same dumb things a human would say, so you ask about the Qun just like a human would. With Origins outside of the origin scenario at the very start it doesn't matter what you are playing. Walk into a major town as an elven mage and people don't bat an eye and even walk past Templars. There were a couple of times also with Inquisition where my Qunari got stuck on the environment and I am pretty sure it was because of their model and the hit box for them for my human character got through the game without any of those issues. If they could do something to make it feel like you are playing a different character then I would be for having additional races in single player, but I want it to feel more then just playing a human with a different body armor otherwise I rather them take the time to prevent other things in the game from falling apart.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 21, 2021 16:32:08 GMT
Try modding things to allow Cullen to romance a male Inquisitor. The Inquisitor ends up being taller so Cullen is just making out with his neck. I can imagine something similar with a qunari and one of the other races.
Can't mod BioWare because I'm superior console player. Seriously though there isn't enough money in the universe to get pay a game on my PC again.
I'm the opposite. Had red rings of death twice on an Xbox 360. First time was a fight to get them to pay for shipping and repair. It was still under warranty but they didn't want to pay. After the second one died I was done. My PC is more versatile. It's a laptop but it's a gaming PC and I have get to encounter a game I can't play. I use my PC for a lot of things I can't do with a console. But I mod the heck out of BW games. Where would I be without an m/m romance in ME1? Also, if it's your thing, you can have an Ash and FemShep romance. Plus, you can (soon, I hope) use JAM to pretend the Catalyst never existed and still get whatever ending you want.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 21, 2021 16:55:16 GMT
Can't mod BioWare because I'm superior console player. Seriously though there isn't enough money in the universe to get pay a game on my PC again.
I'm the opposite. Had red rings of death twice on an Xbox 360. First time was a fight to get them to pay for shipping and repair. It was still under warranty but they didn't want to pay. After the second one died I was done. My PC is more versatile. It's a laptop but it's a gaming PC and I have get to encounter a game I can't play. I use my PC for a lot of things I can't do with a console. But I mod the heck out of BW games. Where would I be without an m/m romance in ME1? Also, if it's your thing, you can have an Ash and FemShep romance. Plus, you can (soon, I hope) use JAM to pretend the Catalyst never existed and still get whatever ending you want. So they are porting JAM over to MELE?
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2021 1:09:46 GMT
I'm the opposite. Had red rings of death twice on an Xbox 360. First time was a fight to get them to pay for shipping and repair. It was still under warranty but they didn't want to pay. After the second one died I was done. My PC is more versatile. It's a laptop but it's a gaming PC and I have get to encounter a game I can't play. I use my PC for a lot of things I can't do with a console. But I mod the heck out of BW games. Where would I be without an m/m romance in ME1? Also, if it's your thing, you can have an Ash and FemShep romance. Plus, you can (soon, I hope) use JAM to pretend the Catalyst never existed and still get whatever ending you want. So they are porting JAM over to MELE? Fingers crossed. There are only a few mods I care about but that's one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 11:21:57 GMT
Can't mod BioWare because I'm superior console player. You don't see the inherent contradiction here? Lol, ok then.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 22, 2021 11:32:16 GMT
I played on PC for the last ten odd years, I always found myself spending more time posting ideas or creating mods than playing videogames themselves, that's the real reason I prefer console nowadays. And I'm tired of the botched PC ports.
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I play on both. The console wars ended long ago, we all lost.
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Post by lesbiannotqueer on Aug 22, 2021 15:19:48 GMT
I love this notion.
I too went through as FemShep and Sara Ryder in Andromeda and would LOVE to play as a huntress considering I've given both ladies the adept profiles in my bazillion and one (or two) playthroughs.
Personally, I would like to see a joint effort between BioWare and the Sims devs Maxis to create a Sims galaxy post-Reaper invasion where Shepard's rescued and we can create a family with Liara, Traynor, or whomever we want, however we want. Get married, have little blue babies or human babies or even human-quarian babies, etc.
But that's just me and my wishful thinking.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 22, 2021 18:51:38 GMT
I love this notion. I too went through as FemShep and Sara Ryder in Andromeda and would LOVE to play as a huntress considering I've given both ladies the adept profiles in my bazillion and one (or two) playthroughs. Personally, I would like to see a joint effort between BioWare and the Sims devs Maxis to create a Sims galaxy post-Reaper invasion where Shepard's rescued and we can create a family with Liara, Traynor, or whomever we want, however we want. Get married, have little blue babies or human babies or even human-quarian babies, etc. But that's just me and my wishful thinking. Any chance you play on PC? There is Mass Effect CC for Sims 3 (and probably 4). I haven't looked for quarians specifically, but Garrus and asari exist.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 22, 2021 21:15:46 GMT
Besides, that's what MP is for.
Thats such a cop-out response. People who want to play as an alien want to play as one for the sake of STORY also believe it or not there are people who identify more with certain alien species in Mass Effect than they do with humans, or just simply like them more.
I love the Mass Effect (Milky Way) setting so much, and as much as I love Femshep being forced to play as a human in the story has always been the low point for me. Also I like the military aspect but I'm so sick and tired of the Alliance and Cerberus. Specially the Alliance's aesthetics.
I'd like to explore an Asari or Turian military origin for goodness sake.
Lol, hardly a "cop-out response", its the truth (its also telling that you cut out my substantive answer and replied to my half-joking comment at the end of the post). But one main (if not THE main) draw for the MP component was the ability to play as non-humans, and one major reason that was so satisfying was because you couldn't play as them any other way. It wouldn't have been anywhere near as satisfying unlocking that first Krogan or Geth character if you had already played one in the SP campaign. And it was a successful dynamic, the OT was fantastic and ME3mp has outlasted MEAmp for good reason- it was a good formula.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2021 8:25:50 GMT
Thats such a cop-out response. People who want to play as an alien want to play as one for the sake of STORY also believe it or not there are people who identify more with certain alien species in Mass Effect than they do with humans, or just simply like them more.
I love the Mass Effect (Milky Way) setting so much, and as much as I love Femshep being forced to play as a human in the story has always been the low point for me. Also I like the military aspect but I'm so sick and tired of the Alliance and Cerberus. Specially the Alliance's aesthetics.
I'd like to explore an Asari or Turian military origin for goodness sake.
Lol, hardly a "cop-out response", its the truth (its also telling that you cut out my substantive answer and replied to my half-joking comment at the end of the post). But one main (if not THE main) draw for the MP component was the ability to play as non-humans, and one major reason that was so satisfying was because you couldn't play as them any other way. It wouldn't have been anywhere near as satisfying unlocking that first Krogan or Geth character if you had already played one in the SP campaign. And it was a successful dynamic, the OT was fantastic and ME3mp has outlasted MEAmp for good reason- it was a good formula. That’s because it would have been even more satisfying to play one in the SP campaign where we have little things like, you know, story, choices, etc. The only thing MP has is gameplay, something SP already has much better,
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 23, 2021 12:22:32 GMT
Lol, hardly a "cop-out response", its the truth (its also telling that you cut out my substantive answer and replied to my half-joking comment at the end of the post). But one main (if not THE main) draw for the MP component was the ability to play as non-humans, and one major reason that was so satisfying was because you couldn't play as them any other way. It wouldn't have been anywhere near as satisfying unlocking that first Krogan or Geth character if you had already played one in the SP campaign. And it was a successful dynamic, the OT was fantastic and ME3mp has outlasted MEAmp for good reason- it was a good formula. That’s because it would have been even more satisfying to play one in the SP campaign where we have little things like, you know, story, choices, etc. The only thing MP has is gameplay, something SP already has much better, It wasn't very satisfying to play any of the other races in the single player for Dragon Age: Inquisition or even Dragon Age: Origins. In those games is made very little difference expect for the first 15-20min of Origins and a handful of dialogue choices in Inquisition and in both games my playthroughs are 30+ hours depending on how much you play. Both I think had about the same amount of script dedicated to the racial choice of the player, its just with Origins they placed it all at the start and with Inquisition they heard that complaint and only had it in the throne room. So if there isn't anything in single player really altered about the racial choice you make how does it really make a difference if the things like story and choice are present or not when they don't matter to the racial choice you make.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 23, 2021 12:55:23 GMT
Honestly, the option for racial/species choices often boils down to what rubber mask you want to wear over your human PC anyways. Too bad more developers weren't willing to really go out there with the dimorphism of differing alien species. Imagine if the choice offered an experience not unlike Carrion for the alien: Alongside the standard run and gun gameplay of the humanoid races?
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