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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 19, 2021 12:39:53 GMT
Okay I keep hearing about this "charter" is the character from the comics only or game as well? Also does that mean you think lace Harding will be a squademate. Jeez please for the love of god just quote the respective sentences you want talk about and cut the rest.
This isn´t that hard so don´t lazy and quote the whole posts. Thanks.
Easy Lace Harding is the next logical candidate for a Inquisition (member) character who has to work in all of the possible world states.
The main 12 DAI companions and advisors aren´t possible options if we are considering Bioware´s previous rules. 8 (plus Leliana because of DAO so 9) are out because they are romance options,
Vivienne along with Leliana and Cassandra could be Divine Victoria. Blackwall and The Iron Bull who are also love interst could also optional die. Cole have too many different fates to come back and Varric was already been a companion in DA2 and DAI. A third time is hopeful very unlikely.
So after those 12 Harding, Charter or Rylen are next possible candidates. Also remember my Darrah quote:
"We typically promote secondary characters between games."
Why Harding and not Charter or Rylen? Most fans like and most important known her and she is well-liked within Bioware. Yeah it would be a big surprise if Harding isn´t any form in DA4. Most likely as our DAI - DA4 bridge connection character / companion.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 19, 2021 14:11:46 GMT
The dwarf could be someone who smuggled lyrium into tevinter which would mean carta. There is no need to smuggle lyrium as the dwarves have a long standing trade and status there. For this reason, a dwarf from the Ambassadoria would not be happy about the conflict and the failure of the Magisterium to do anything about it. WoT says that the dwarves don't just have an enclave beneath Minrathous but every major city. That would include both Qarinus/Ventus and Neromenian (even thought we see no reference to this in the comics). A dwarven merchant would be very put out by the situation on the eastern seaboard. I also think it would make a change for the dwarf to be someone with status on the surface rather than simply a member of the criminal underworld and it would mean they did have more to lose from the presence of the Qunari, whereas a Carta dwarf would just shift their operation somewhere else. And a qunari character would be a tal vasoth or vasoth again. Adaar was a Vashoth, although the dialogue didn't always make this clear in DAI. If a qunari character was Tal-Vashoth, they would definitely be opposed to the Qun and have no wish to see their new home nation counquered by them. For this reason, whilst there might be a degree of prejudice against them once the Qunari forces attacked, people of Tevinter might well appreciate the difference more than they do in the south because it is likely there are more defections from the Qunari up north. I dare say the Tevinter nobility appreciate having a big, strong bodyguard that absolutely loathes the Qunari and would be only too happy to use them as propaganda against the Qun. Elf would be a former slave or former mage of tevinter who is running from the vile qunari. I still feel that giving every race a slave background would be simplest and that could even apply to mages, as we know from Fenris' testimony and Calpernia. However, if they wanted variety, the elf doesn't have to be a slave; may be they could be a Liberati who was willingly freed by their former master or even earned/bought their freedom. Ditto a human. To be honest, I would like the human background to be something other than noble, which has been the case the previous 3 games. I was trying to figure a way the dwarf could have fighting experience as well as be in tevinter. But that's a fair point.
I do like the idea of a human not being a noble. Maybe a former slave that was trained to fight in pits or a mage that trained in his masters service to fight the qunari. He saves his masters life and is given his freedom and maybe a small estate in return for his help or help starting a mercenary band. This could work for either a mage elf or mage human. Maybe even a mage Vashoth. In fact this works with everyone but a dwarf and every class. Although I doubt bioware will go this route as if twisted into a pretzel you could get that it's saying the slaves wanted to be slaves or didn't care that others were slaves as long as they were free.
Obviously this isn't what bioware would really mean and you would have to twist the reasoning and thought into a pretzel but bioware likes to be seen as woke so might avoid this. Of course I would like the option to be pro tevinter and I think a liberati seeing tevinter as the lesser evil in comparison to the qun and of Dorians mindset about slavery in comparison with crippling poverty in the south would make sense for SOME of them. Obviously it wouldn't be every single liberati. Also I realize this is off topic but if ferelden has a british accent and orlais is french then what does tevinter have?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2021 15:21:04 GMT
Also I realize this is off topic but if ferelden has a british accent and orlais is french then what does tevinter have? Well based off those we have met from Tevinter: Dorian; Halward; Felix, Alexius and Calpernia - there does not seem to be a standard accent. Actually this would make sense considering the Imperium is such a large place. Dorian and Halward are from Qarinus in the north, Alexius and Felix from Asariel in the south-west and Calpernia from Minrathous. Correct me if I'm wrong but, with the exception of Alexius (who has an accent I can't place), they all sound native English speakers. Dorian, despite the ethnic origin of his VA, sounds very English upper class. That, of course, is also true of Vivienne, even though she originated from the Freemarches and has spent the last 20 odd years of her life in Orlais. Incidentally Ramon Tikaram is a very talented actor when it comes to accents. I have seen him in many different roles and he can change his accent convincingly depending on where he is meant to be from but on the whole when not required to change it for the role, he does sound very much like Dorian, so I take that to be near enough his natural accent. If a small country like England can have such a variety of dialects, then why not Tevinter? That's the thing really; everyone thinks they know what a British accent is but that is not the case and back in medieval times even someone from the aristocracy would have taken on their local dialect to some extent. I remember reading that you would have known Sir Walter Raleigh was a native of the west country by his accent. I expect much would depend whether you came from native Anglo Saxon or Celtic stock or traced your ancestry to the Normans. From what I recall, King Richard the Lion heart was a French speaker who much preferred his lands on the other side of the channel to England. If you came from Cornwall, that even had their own language, your accent would reflect that even when speaking English, much as it does in Wales or Scotland today. Of course, this would make it much easier for the team at Bioware when casting for roles as they don't have to ensure the VA can do a particular accent. They would probably also want to avoid the situation they had with the Dalish, where I seem to recall they were all originally meant to sound Welsh, like Merrill, in DA2 but then couldn't find enough VAs who could do the Welsh accent so settled for Irish instead. However, Merrill had already been cast so she had to remain an anomaly. Then the Devs reverted to Welsh for the agent of Solas in Trespasser, which was most confusing considering he was a city elf not Dalish but may be that was to show they were really an ancient elf in disguise. It's anyone's guess.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Aug 19, 2021 21:53:26 GMT
Dragon Age has never been all that consistent about accents. There's also the various DA characters who lived for a long time in an area or among a group of people but never picked up the accent of where they lived. So many surfacer dwarves that lived in certain countries in Thedas but don't have the accent of their countrymen, even if they weren't in an isolated community of surfacer dwarves with American accents.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 20, 2021 6:53:38 GMT
In DA2 and DAI our protagonist came from the country of the previous game. So for DA4 orlais. This is not true. In DAI our protagonist came from the Freemarches but this is merely an area, like Europe, not a country. Kirkwall was just one of many city states within the whole. For this to have established a pattern, our protagonist would have to have come from Kirkwall specifically, not just vaguely from the Freemarches. The idea that the next protagonist has to come from Orlais is ridiculous. The only way that could be justified if they had been kidnapped from Orlais and sold into slavery. What would be the point though? Plus it would require the VAs to mimic that ridiculous accent (or have it naturally). For me that would be a complete turn off. In any case, why not Ferelden or the Avvar? We spent our time in those areas too. Since both Haven and Skyhold were located in the Frostback Mountains, that is the location we were most identified with. Despite that absurd claim of the Orlesian noble, Haven was on the Ferelden side of the mountains and had previously belonged to an isolated group of people who bore allegiance to none of the modern nations or ethnic groups. Why couldn't we be a survivor of the Cult of Andraste? It would be far better to break with the south completely and have our protagonist from somewhere in the north. I agree. i just wanted to show the pattern.
DAO character origins played in Ferelden. DA2 character from Ferelden played in Free marches. DAI character from Free marches played in Orlais/Ferelden.
My wish DAO origins. Would break the pattern best.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 20, 2021 19:14:47 GMT
Regarding Tallis... well, she enters the spotlight as a kind of creator's pet/canon sue, so they'd need to tone her down a fair bit I'd say. Regardless of how awesome some think dagger rogues are, its getting ridiculous Oh, and then there's the Qunari part, depending on how the plot plays out. Nary any in-universe character would trust her, and that isn't even getting into the players... I don´t think that she will ever be a (even a temporary) companion again but as NPC who is a bit for than a cameo she fits well for DA 4. It is more or less a matter of taste but their picks of the returning companions weren´t that bad.
Don´t get me wrong Oghren was my least favorite companion to return for Awakening but i can unterstand why he had chosen him. Come on she was shown with Leliana at the end she couldn´t have been an antagonist. Why? Like Merrill before she still exists / lives even if you didn´t chose the Templar. I really don´t see any problem here. Do you see everyone as an antagonist?
My guess is that Rylen is Cullen 2.0 without the baggage of Cullen´s voice actor Greg Ellis. As NPCs? Why not but as companions they aren´t fighters and therefore they can´t possible kill thousand of enemies. Solas is that arrogant so i won´t surprise me that a Nug could kill him. But the most likely scenario i imagine is that some of other Evanuris like Elgar'nan would kill him at the end of DA 4.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2021 19:33:11 GMT
It is more or less a matter of taste but their picks of the returning companions weren´t that bad. Don´t get me wrong Oghren was my least favorite companion to return for Awakening but i can unterstand why he had chosen him. Oghren, Anders, and Varric we’re all terrible so I have to disagree on their choices being “not that bad”.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 20, 2021 19:44:35 GMT
Oghren, Anders, and Varric we’re all terrible so I have to disagree on their choices being “not that bad”. You Hanako have your own unique taste but many other players really liked the return of Anders, Varric and for my own surprise Oghren. Also you are the only DA player out there who dislikes / hates Varric which for most people seem impossible to unterstand.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2021 20:21:06 GMT
The main problem I have had in the past with returning characters is their justification for it: Oghran - can just about get this one because he was trying to get away from the responsibilities of marriage to Felsi. However, in terms of how my particular Wardens got on with the DAO companions, Zevran would have made more sense because we were always best buds if not lovers and he didn't have anywhere else to go. I personally found Oghran vulgar and annoying but being a practical Warden Commander I took whoever was willing to join. Fairly useful as I fighter until I replaced him with Sigrun and/or Justice. Anders - If he had ever revealed to us just why he was so determined to get to Kirkwall, it would have made some sense when he reappeared there. I thought he was in Amaranthine to try and get his phylactery back and, whilst he often talked of leaving the Wardens when he got the chance, the epilogue suggested, after making representations to the College of Enchanters in Cumberland, he eventually accepted his role and was happy in it. So rather surprised but pleased to learn he was joining me in Kirkwall; started to worry when I actually met him though. Thought he was possibly an imposter, only to discover he was in fact a hybrid of Anders and Justice. That explained a lot. Still he was very useful as my main mage companion.
Varric - Why did he have to tell his story to Justinia personally? Didn't she trust Cassandra's word that she had done a proper investigation? Or, taking the other lame excuse for dragging him there, if the Divine wanted to personally meet her favourite author, wouldn't that have been more appropriate when she was back at Val Royeaux or even on route there, not in the middle of an important peace conference? I liked Varric in DA2, until the end when he didn't approve of me "letting dangerous people run amok", when I thought I was saving innocent mages from an injustice. Not their fault Anders went bonkers and blew up the Chantry. He kept getting himself knocked out in DAI, so I left him behind once I had a replacement rogue, or immediately if I was the rogue. So much of the time he was effectively an adviser that stood in the corner and arranged card games for light entertainment. Didn't hate him; just found him superfluous much of the time. In a way I'd rather he'd not been around because then Hawke would never have appeared either. Not happy with a lot of things about the way they were portrayed (have since discovered I probably made the wrong choices in the keep to properly represent the way my Hawke did things).
So up to now, the appearance of previous companions has been rather underwhelming so far as I have been concerned and has generally led to disappointment either because of who they are (Oghran), how they changed (Anders) or over familiarity with the character already (Varric). This is why I'd rather they had a completely new roster next game, although I wouldn't mind seeing Harding again, as she wasn't a companion and we only scratched the surface when it came to her backstory, so there is a good chance of developing her more in the future.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 20, 2021 20:35:48 GMT
I don´t think that she will ever be a (even a temporary) companion again but as NPC who is a bit for than a cameo she fits well for DA 4. So does Gatt and Tevinter Nights showed him back in the north. I can't quite make up my mind about this. People who never played DA2 but did play DAI will know Gatt from Bull's personal quest, whereas Tallis was just a name in some War Table missions and a codex in Trespasser that would mean nothing significant to new players but was a nod to those who had played MoA. However, may be they didn't have Tallis in DAI because she was being saved for the next game. Or, more likely, the writers didn't want to keep a character going that wasn't actually one of their own and had split the fandom over her popularity. In some ways her story was very similar to that of Gatt, an elven slave who was liberated by the Qun at a young age, was somewhat rebellious but saved from re-education by an understanding member of the Ben'Hassrath who saw their worth unchanged. My personal preference would be to meet Gatt again as an NPC rather than Tallis but there is no real reason why we shouldn't encounter both. The Ben'Hassrath are after all devoting most of their energies into finding out information about how to stop Solas, so both these senior operative are likely involved. Since that is also likely ultimately the aim of our new protagonist and Tevinter Nights made it clear that for the most part they are not involved in the Antaam's conquest of Tevinter, we are more likely to be working with rather than against them. Tevinter Nights indicated that Gatt was in touch with Varric.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 20, 2021 21:04:34 GMT
Oghran - can just about get this one because he was trying to get away from the responsibilities of marriage to Felsi. However, in terms of how my particular Wardens got on with the DAO companions, Zevran would have made more sense because we were always best buds if not lovers and he didn't have anywhere else to go. I personally found Oghran vulgar and annoying but being a practical Warden Commander I took whoever was willing to join. Fairly useful as I fighter until I replaced him with Sigrun and/or Justice. I believe that Bioware wanted atleast one returning companion for the Awakening party and because of their rules besides the Dog Oghren was the only option because unlike Zevran he is no romance option and "death" could be explained. Many players seems to forget that Bioware have to write stories which are working for all possible world states.
Anders hadn´t been planed to be the one to return. Bioware have toyed with many ideas who should return.
First they wanted Justice to return but they hadn´t chosen Anders as a host.
First it was Velanna and then Nathaniel as hosts but they scrapped this. Parts of already written Nathaniel stuff there changed to Sebastian Vael. And Varric like Oghren was the best and only option (I don´t think that Aveline would have worked) for a returning DA 2 companion.
For me Varric is the best returning companion. Yes its a bit of a retcon why he had been at the conclave and the red lyrium but overall he worked well for explaining DA 2 stuff, interacting more with Cassandra and the Hawke connection. Again he had to worked for all player world states.
This is why I'd rather they had a completely new roster next game, although I wouldn't mind seeing Harding again, as she wasn't a companion and we only scratched the surface when it came to her backstory, so there is a good chance of developing her more in the future. I don´t believe that neither Varric or Cole (and also Tallis) will return as DA 4 companion so yeah it seems highly unlikely that the DA 4 feature any returning companion.
But i think like DA 2 and DAI (Leliana and Cullen doesn´t count because they aren´t companions) before we had 3 already established companions.
1. The Bridge companion which connects DAI and DA4. In my opinion Harding is there the best option. 2. The Bioware writerpet aka Calpernia 3. And Maevaris for Bioware wanted to set a sign for the first transgender companion in a Bioware game. "Also we are deeply Sorry for DA 2 Serendipity and Andromeda´s Hainly Abrams."
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 20, 2021 21:15:15 GMT
Or, more likely, the writers didn't want to keep a character going that wasn't actually one of their own and had split the fandom over her popularity. In some ways her story was very similar to that of Gatt, an elven slave who was liberated by the Qun at a young age, was somewhat rebellious but saved from re-education by an understanding member of the Ben'Hassrath who saw their worth unchanged. Maybe it has to do with this Banter between Bull and Varric?
My guess how are the odds that Bull knows Talls and won´t the (Qunari) world feel small if they know each other? I think that Patrick Weekes played with the idea and maybe the Wartable Tallis is DA 2 Tallis but
this seems the most likely case because if she were that unpopular why mention her in Trespasser and focus more on Gatt instead? The most important plus for both are they can´t die & therefore are working in every possible world state.
And as Qunari they make sense in a Tevinter vs Qunari DA 4 game.
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Post by qunaripenis on Aug 20, 2021 21:27:51 GMT
The trailer had Varric narrating and that makes me wonder if they will bring him back. Although if they do I hope he gets to be an LI because Biance the dwarf is not worthy of him, I mean they barely get to even meet anymore.
Now as for the dorian news. If DA4 takes place in Tevinter then that means the inquisitor will be there and thus Dorian and him might not have the equivilant of a phone relationship. So dorian and inquistor Addar can finally get together..okay that was my version but you get it.
Thoughts on these ideas?
I hope not, if i can't eat cheese wheels off his hairy tits then i don't want him. Plus he was meh in inquisition i'm afraid to say.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Aug 21, 2021 0:54:27 GMT
I absolutely LOVED Varric in DA2, so I was actually looking forward to him in DAI. However, for some reason, I just felt rather neutral towards him. Like, I knew I liked him as a character, but I never felt like I liked him in the game.
I enjoyed his character in both, but actually preferred the little more world-weary version in Inquisition. Amusingly enough, my Hawke has rivalry with Varric, while my Inquisitor is charming, a bit silly, and best buds with the storyteller.
However, as an avid dwarf fan, I want to meet some new faces. So, Varric needs to give up the dwarf slot(s) posthaste.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 21, 2021 4:25:30 GMT
Regarding Tallis... well, she enters the spotlight as a kind of creator's pet/canon sue, so they'd need to tone her down a fair bit I'd say. Regardless of how awesome some think dagger rogues are, its getting ridiculous Oh, and then there's the Qunari part, depending on how the plot plays out. Nary any in-universe character would trust her, and that isn't even getting into the players... I don´t think that she will ever be a (even a temporary) companion again but as NPC who is a bit for than a cameo she fits well for DA 4. It is more or less a matter of taste but their picks of the returning companions weren´t that bad.
Don´t get me wrong Oghren was my least favorite companion to return for Awakening but i can unterstand why he had chosen him. Come on she was shown with Leliana at the end she couldn´t have been an antagonist. Why? Like Merrill before she still exists / lives even if you didn´t chose the Templar. I really don´t see any problem here. Do you see everyone as an antagonist? My guess is that Rylen is Cullen 2.0 without the baggage of Cullen´s voice actor Greg Ellis. As NPCs? Why not but as companions they aren´t fighters and therefore they can´t possible kill thousand of enemies. Solas is that arrogant so i won´t surprise me that a Nug could kill him. But the most likely scenario i imagine is that some of other Evanuris like Elgar'nan would kill him at the end of DA 4.
Or we might have been ending up having to fight Leliana. I mean, while I'm not one of them, there are Leliana fans who were pretty upset that she was railroaded into being hardened and doing the Divine's dirty work. Uhm, our perspective in the games is increasingly limited to andrastian, so much so that some players unironically invoke "us" for the andrastian south in their posts (vs. Qunari "them"). Gatt's a Qunari, Ben-Hassrath on top of that, so? I don't think that would... work. Cullen "we have dominance over mages by divine right" Rutherford has enough issues as a character without even having to think about Ellis. That said, Rylen doesn't seem to have this kind of character baggage. But why the heck do we always need to have something templar around anyway? Eh, I was merely going by who would be interesting as a character. Colette is a combat NPC in JoH, even if she's just based on the one-handed trooper archetype. Idiot ball excuses? Nah, please not. Especially not with a damn nug. By this notion, all imperialist Dalish-hating bigwigs in Thedas should now have been eaten by a Halla. "Elgar'nan!", hah no. He would die from arrogance long before Solas if the way the Dalish characterise him is anything to go by. You Hanako have your own unique taste but many other players really liked the return of Anders, Varric and for my own surprise Oghren. Also you are the only DA player out there who dislikes / hates Varric which for most people seem impossible to unterstand. As much as I don't agree with some of Hanako's stances, I'm kinda sympathetic here. While I don't think that carrying over Anders into a plot like DA2's was necessarily bad, there's the question of execution of that idea, which left something to be desired, albeit my view on that is most likely different thant theirs again. And there's the thing - Bioware's sseming habit in the more recent games to give us what I call "designated buddies" or characters we are supposed to like. DAI has this a bit. We are apparently supposed to like Varric, Cassandra and Cullen. We are apparently supposed to dislike Sera and Vivienne. Now, I think Varric overstayed hs welcome in DAI and I guess my Hawke soured on him a bit at the end of DA2 already, as Varric's not as neutral as he claims to be (as mentioned by gervaise21). The supposedly respectable Cassandra lost me at one point because I dared to play a Dalish and talked with her 'bout faith. And then she screeched infidel when running out of Chantry-apologetic arguments. Cullen's that rabid trauma templar from DA2. See above quote. 'Nuff said.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 21, 2021 6:56:17 GMT
You Hanako have your own unique taste but many other players really liked the return of Anders, Varric and for my own surprise Oghren. Also you are the only DA player out there who dislikes / hates Varric which for most people seem impossible to unterstand. As much as I don't agree with some of Hanako's stances, I'm kinda sympathetic here. While I don't think that carrying over Anders into a plot like DA2's was necessarily bad, there's the question of execution of that idea, which left something to be desired, albeit my view on that is most likely different thant theirs again. And there's the thing - Bioware's sseming habit in the more recent games to give us what I call "designated buddies" or characters we are supposed to like. DAI has this a bit. We are apparently supposed to like Varric, Cassandra and Cullen. We are apparently supposed to dislike Sera and Vivienne. Now, I think Varric overstayed hs welcome in DAI and I guess my Hawke soured on him a bit at the end of DA2 already, as Varric's not as neutral as he claims to be (as mentioned by gervaise21). The supposedly respectable Cassandra lost me at one point because I dared to play a Dalish and talked with her 'bout faith. And then she screeched infidel when running out of Chantry-apologetic arguments. Cullen's that rabid trauma templar from DA2. See above quote. 'Nuff said.
Yeah, I hate the forced buddy thing they did. I like Garrus and Liara, but them being shoved every scene with them to be Shepard's best friends wears on me. And when it's with a character you don't like, like in my case Varric, it just gets really annoying.Hopefully they don't do this anymore. MEA gives me a little hope since in that game there wasn't a designated buddy.
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" “According to the telemetry, Dorian wasn’t an active companion in very many peoples’ parties,” Gaider says. “He was also the least-romanced of the romanceable NPCs, percentage-wise. I don’t think numbers really matter to those who loved him, however. He struck a chord with a lot of people. " www.thegamer.com/dragon-age-inquisition-dorian-david-gaider-interview/I always thought that Dorian has one more popular party members and romances. And even boring Blackwall beats him as least romanced character i am sorry but WTF?!?!
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 21, 2021 17:16:44 GMT
" “According to the telemetry, Dorian wasn’t an active companion in very many peoples’ parties,” Gaider says. “He was also the least-romanced of the romanceable NPCs, percentage-wise. I don’t think numbers really matter to those who loved him, however. He struck a chord with a lot of people. " www.thegamer.com/dragon-age-inquisition-dorian-david-gaider-interview/I always thought that Dorian has one more popular party members and romances. And even boring Blackwall beats him as least romanced character i am sorry but WTF?!?! There's probably just more people playing straight romances? I'm surprised that he wasn't that popular as a party member though, unless maybe too many people got frustrated with that spell of his that reanimates an enemy and then leaves you stuck in combat mode as long as the reanimated thing is still around...
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 21, 2021 17:50:59 GMT
There's probably just more people playing straight romances? Of course this has to be the main reason but still its hard to believe that Dorian is the least romanced DAI character. I always had thought that Dorian was the Nr. 1 pick for mage companion in DAI.
But it seems that most players favor Solas over him and Vivienne. For reasons i don´t get.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 21, 2021 18:04:40 GMT
Maybe it has to do with this Banter between Bull and Varric? Yes, that banter does suggest they didn't want to bring back Tallis, so they substituted Gatt. It would have been simple enough otherwise to explain how Bull knew her, even after that conversation, if she had shown up instead of him; he knew her by a different name (because each time you change your role your change your name and she wasn't always Tallis.) this seems the most likely case because if she were that unpopular why mention her in Trespasser and focus more on Gatt instead? True but then they did focus on Gatt in Tevinter Nights and established his link to Varric, so I would still expect to see him at some point but that doesn't preclude Tallis turning up as well. So long as they both remain NPCs, I shall be happy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 21, 2021 18:22:58 GMT
I always thought that Dorian has one more popular party members and romances. And even boring Blackwall beats him as least romanced character i am sorry but WTF?!?! The problem was so many people bought into the Adoribull romance, they said they didn't want to get in the way of it with their Inquisitor, even if they wanted a gay relationship. This is presumably why in the epilogue to Trespasser, the Dorian/Bull romance got way more slides than the Dorian/Inquisitor or Bull/Inquisitor one, which I personally felt was something of a slap in the face to people who did romance Dorian, like me. Remember he gives the communication crystal to the Inquisitor whether lover or friend and, according to PW, gives one to Bull as well, so I couldn't even count that as something unique to my romance, unlike the dragon tooth that is shared between the Inquisitor and Bull. This is also why I will be particularly annoyed if Dorian isn't a main contact NPC in DA4 because otherwise they could have left him down south with my Inquisitor. Instead, no matter how things were left with his father, he inherits his wealth and seat in the Magisterium and becomes a major player in Tevinter politics. If that was done simply because not many chose to romance him rather than keep him available for the plot next game, it will be very disappointing. I am hopeful, though, that the crystal was given for a reason that is plot related in DA4 (although of course he doesn't give it to a hostile Inquisitor but there are ways around that.)
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 21, 2021 19:59:25 GMT
The problem was so many people bought into the Adoribull romance, they said they didn't want to get in the way of it with their Inquisitor, even if they wanted a gay relationship. This is presumably why in the epilogue to Trespasser, the Dorian/Bull romance got way more slides than the Dorian/Inquisitor or Bull/Inquisitor one, which I personally felt was something of a slap in the face to people who did romance Dorian, like me. Remember he gives the communication crystal to the Inquisitor whether lover or friend and, according to PW, gives one to Bull as well, so I couldn't even count that as something unique to my romance, unlike the dragon tooth that is shared between the Inquisitor and Bull. I agree with all of this. Dorian will probably be my canon romance (unless that changes once I try romancing Solas, but I doubt it), and I hate that a romance between two NPCs can overshadow the romance between one of those NPCs and the player character. Plus, Adoribull is anything but. Iron Bull needs to learn to understand the word "no."
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 21, 2021 20:22:10 GMT
There's probably just more people playing straight romances? Of course this has to be the main reason but still its hard to believe that Dorian is the least romanced DAI character. I always had thought that Dorian was the Nr. 1 pick for mage companion in DAI.
But it seems that most players favor Solas over him and Vivienne. For reasons i don´t get.
Yeah I am gonna be honest I am not a huge fan of the other mages. Solas is very picky and stubborn and Vivienne insults the other characters and puts them down in cruel ways. Which she does for no reason. I get her not liking Sera since she is the absolute opposite of what vivienne is but why go after blackwall and even insult cassandra for her views. So dorian is by far the most common mage I have in my party...besides myself.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 21, 2021 20:25:14 GMT
I always thought that Dorian has one more popular party members and romances. And even boring Blackwall beats him as least romanced character i am sorry but WTF?!?! The problem was so many people bought into the Adoribull romance, they said they didn't want to get in the way of it with their Inquisitor, even if they wanted a gay relationship. This is presumably why in the epilogue to Trespasser, the Dorian/Bull romance got way more slides than the Dorian/Inquisitor or Bull/Inquisitor one, which I personally felt was something of a slap in the face to people who did romance Dorian, like me. Remember he gives the communication crystal to the Inquisitor whether lover or friend and, according to PW, gives one to Bull as well, so I couldn't even count that as something unique to my romance, unlike the dragon tooth that is shared between the Inquisitor and Bull. This is also why I will be particularly annoyed if Dorian isn't a main contact NPC in DA4 because otherwise they could have left him down south with my Inquisitor. Instead, no matter how things were left with his father, he inherits his wealth and seat in the Magisterium and becomes a major player in Tevinter politics. If that was done simply because not many chose to romance him rather than keep him available for the plot next game, it will be very disappointing. I am hopeful, though, that the crystal was given for a reason that is plot related in DA4 (although of course he doesn't give it to a hostile Inquisitor but there are ways around that.) The "ways" being Varric since he conviently gave the inquisitor a mansion in kirkwall. And Varric and him were friends if I remember right. I still believe that Dorian romancers may get some rewards in DA4 since it is entirely possible that the inquisitor eventually heads to tevinter and a slide at the end saying he decided to retire from politics and stay with Dorian would make sense.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 22, 2021 1:42:13 GMT
Why is cole off the table? He can’t be killed
The varric haters are going to probably pass on this game. He’s in it but not as a companion. We have to be an outsider in this game and my guess we are from Kirkwall (probably a level 1no memory something ) with more options this time (my guess is a warden. Specialization) is one choice later based on the warden footage Could some of you explain the varric hate as he was far less annoying than cole or sera (varric was easy to get high approval for)
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