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Post by phoray on Aug 22, 2021 2:07:43 GMT
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Re Dorian being less picked. My team the first time was Cole (my ticket to getting insght on the spirit side of the story), Solas (my insight into the elf parts of the story), and Blackwall (my romance.) My Inky for this was a Mage, so a third mage would have been unbalanced for someone who like me who cares very little about combat.
2nd play through was a human rogue who was afraid of magic, but Dorian ended up being her best friend.
my 5th PT, I made a Templar two hander human for him and realized 60% through that he wasn't good enough for Dorian. Literally, I loved Dorian that much that my own self created character intended for him didn't qualify to smooch him.
Maybe people picked mage a lot and that meant you had to make party balance decisions.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 22, 2021 5:36:23 GMT
I get it that the Inquisitor could be needed for the final confrontation with Solas but before? For my personal reasons i don´t like the Inquisitor i find him / her boring comparred to the Warden or Hawke. And speaking of Hawke i dislike his / her apperance in DAI. So why do we have to repeat the failure from turning a former full controlled playercharacter into a NPC? I bet like Hawke there would be many players out here who say this isn´t my Inquisitor any more in DA 4. Last but not least in my honest opinion it really doesn´t matter who stops Solas. We all know that Solas won´t be allowed to destroy Thedas so what´s the point in having this story again for a third time in a Dragon Age game? So yeah even a nug as DA 4 hero would stop Solas because he isn´t allowed to destroy Thedas.
Yeah....I also felt the Inquisitor was kinda....meh.... This was the first BioWare protagonist I had no major attachment to at all, and sort of expected a moment like in DA:O to "sacrifice for the greater good" and honestly? I probably would have taken it. The Warden is a God, and I so wish he/she would return (more than Hawke or the Inquisitor), but that ship will never sail sadly. Hawke started indifferent to me as well, but quickly grew on me and I came to like Hawke. The Inquisitor....meh? I honestly just had no interest in the character. I honestly was more interested in Varric and Cassandra, and Blackwall more than the main character of a game. And agreed about who should stop Solas. If Hawke wasn't allowed to stop Coryphyus, then why would it make sense for the Inquisitor to be the one to stop Solas, when anyone would/could be capable of stopping him, since this is the destruction of the World we're talking about here.
" “According to the telemetry, Dorian wasn’t an active companion in very many peoples’ parties,” Gaider says. “He was also the least-romanced of the romanceable NPCs, percentage-wise. I don’t think numbers really matter to those who loved him, however. He struck a chord with a lot of people. " www.thegamer.com/dragon-age-inquisition-dorian-david-gaider-interview/I always thought that Dorian has one more popular party members and romances. And even boring Blackwall beats him as least romanced character i am sorry but WTF?!?! To be fair, none of the mages in terms of combat/usefulness were that great. And since I preferred having a balanced party, I went with a Mage for Inquisition (which....was kinda eh, but that's not the point of this response). As for personality - Vivienne - I agree that the Circles are needed, but there needs to be massive change. So I was perfectly content with Vivienne being left in Orlais, really. Solas....what a jackass..... I so wanted to just tell him to f**k off, or throw him off a cliff from Skyhold and just end it all right there.
Dorian was the clear winner this go around with personality for the mages. And he got bonus points for basically saying that, "Yes, I love Tevinter, but we're wrong about a lot of things, including our Circles," or something to that effect. I know someone who loathes Dorian for this reason (he's a massive, pro-Tevinter guy that wants all mages "unshackled" and using their magic for their own personal power/gain). But for me, that aside, the man has a personality and doesn't try to talk down to you. He actually talks to you as someone that wants to be your friend, or at least get to know you better as a person.
So it's possible his "popularity" is due more to people being mages since none of the options were the best perhaps? That's how I read it, since he wasn't in very many parties, but "struck a chord with a lot of people" kind of suggests this might be a strong possibility.
As for being even less romanced than Blackwall? I got nothing; my guess is it's as was suggested earlier - people probably playing more M/F or possibly F/F (in the cases for Josephine and Sera) than pursuing Dorian. It could also be that, as it was also said earlier, that some might have felt their Inquisitor didn't "stack up" enough to be worthy for Dorian. How Blackwall beats him is beyond me....but eh; we all enjoy what we enjoy.
To touch on the whole Varric thing - I love the guy. Loved him in DA2, glad to have him back as my main rogue in DA:I, but I'm okay with him not returning in DA4. He's had his moment to shine, let someone else step into the role. I'd say Harding, but that's just me.... And my thoughts on Cole - never really used him, never really cared for him, to be honest. Again, some liked him - that's fine. Just for me, he was entirely forgettable, really. I didn't hate him by any means; I just think he wasn't as developed as he could have been.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 22, 2021 6:04:44 GMT
If Hawke wasn't allowed to stop Coryphyus, then why would it make sense for the Inquisitor to be the one to stop Solas First, because Hawke didn’t realize Corypheus was still a threat. As they state, they made sure he was dead. They just didn’t know he could body hop. Meanwhile Inquisitor knows Solas is still alive and what threat he is. Second, Hawke didn’t spend a whole game with Corypheus as a companion so there is nowhere near the potential there like is being squandered with a new hero in DA4.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 8:03:53 GMT
Why is cole off the table? He can’t be killed There is the complication of him either being more human or more spirit. That difference would have to be programmed in for the entire game, not just part of it or a DLC, which would effectively make him two characters. However, that said, at the end of Trespasser, if left a spirit, he did say he would return when needed, which definitely left a door open for his return. Whereas, if more human, he takes to the road with Maryden, so could easily have headed north with her. So if they played down the distinction between being spirit or human, there is certainly more justification for him popping up in the north than Varric. Another consideration could be his VA, who was very distinctive so it would be difficult for someone else to replicate. However, he has since become a much bigger star than he was at the time they likely cast him for Cole. Of course, if they were intending bringing Cole back, may be they had already contracted him at his DAI rate of pay, so could exercise that option.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 8:30:54 GMT
I always had thought that Dorian was the Nr. 1 pick for mage companion in DAI. But it seems that most players favor Solas over him and Vivienne. For reasons i don´t get. In my own case, first run I played a female mage Lavellan with the express intention of romancing Solas, so naturally he was more likely to be the one I chose to have with me and that effectively used up the mage slots in my party. Second run, I played a gay male rogue Lavellan, so naturally Dorian was my first pick of mages but then I usually ran with a second mage, which also allowed me to enjoy banter between the mages characters that I was denied my first run. On the whole I preferred taking Solas for conversation but Vivienne for her specialism. Knight Enchanter is just bad-ass and is always my personal choice as PC. When you can single handedly take down a dragon as a mage, that is awesome. Third run, I was playing a mage again but this time decided to try using a 3 mage party for much of the time with usually a rogue filling the other slot, or Cassandra, who was my LI. Dorian was always my default mage companion, as he was least irritating and most pleasant person of the options, with the additional slot usually going to Solas as I was playing the Knight Enchanter. However, I will admit that so far as specialism went, I preferred the other two to Dorian. My least used companions were Iron Bull and Blackwall as I never felt the need for more than one warrior in my party and on the whole I preferred Cassandra. This meant that even when I didn't romance Dorian, he never hooked up with Iron Bull. To be honest, I preferred it that way. With Tevinter agents everywhere and details of our love lives finding their way back to the Imperium (remember Vivienne gets a letter concerning Dorian from her friend there), I never understood why Dorian wasn't strung up on his return when actively engaging in a relationship with a Qunari spy. Even if Bull had seemingly been denounced by the Qun, the authorities up north may thought the Qun were faking it in order that he could remain close to a potential source of information about their enemies. Dorian's family seat is/was in Qarinus/Ventus, one of the most strategically significant cities on the east of the Imperium and historically always the first target of a Qun invasion. Then in Trespasser, if in the relationship, Dorian says that Bull doesn't seem to understand why it can't continue (like hell he can't), which is even more suspect if Bull is still in the Qun. If Bull betrays you, Dorian seems surprised and upset that this is the case. It does make Dorian seem an absolute idiot. So, as I say, I tend to try and keep Dorian and Bull apart, sort of saving Dorian from himself, like a good friend should, because even if the writing team seem to ignore the ramifications, I role play they are still there.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 22, 2021 10:57:21 GMT
Why is cole off the table? He can’t be killed The problem with Cole is that maybe he could work in your world state but Bioware have to consider all options. This isn´t just about human or spirit Cole. What happened to Cole if the player doesn´t his personal quest,
doesn´t recruit him or Cole left the Inquisition? I don´t think that this voice actor would be a big problem here. Just recast Cole if he really was meant to come back. And after Trespasser i don´t think that was the case he was more written off. Last but not least Patrick Weekes had mentioned that Cole was the most difficult companion to write in DAI.
So i doubt that we will write much for him in DA 4. Personal i believe that the Ghost Rider guy is our kinda spirit / possessed companion this time.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 22, 2021 11:14:19 GMT
And agreed about who should stop Solas. If Hawke wasn't allowed to stop Coryphyus, then why would it make sense for the Inquisitor to be the one to stop Solas, when anyone would/could be capable of stopping him, since this is the destruction of the World we're talking about here.
Also i do believe that Solas won´t be found that easy before the end. So the Inquisitor is only needed if you will for the final confrontation. But any capable hero should be able to beat him and by the way who said that Solas / Dreadwolf is really the final boss of the game?
Again i really don´t care if the Inquisitor doesn´t stop Solas himself / herself because this storyarc doesn´t really matter. Of course Solas like Corypheus before won´t destory the world. They aren´t allowed to that. Its a waste of time that we have to deal with a similiar story plot in almost every Bioware game. I really prefer more personal stuff. I love him too so no i am not a Varric hater but i really don´t want him for a third time in any major role. Even as a diehard fan of him i would say that he got more than enough screentime in the series. Its time for new characters or characters which hadn´t be used that much before.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 11:35:25 GMT
But any capable hero should be able to beat him and by the way who said that Solas / Dreadwolf is really the final boss of the game? This, of course, is a valid point and may be the twist in the plot that PW has been hinting at. Although, even that would be a repetition of DAI. After all, we had been led to believe Corypheus was the big bad, saved the world in defeating him, had a party to celebrate that fact and then, wouldn't you know, it turns out Corypheus wasn't the big bad after all. We've been promised demons, dragons, darkspawn and even the Dread Wolf but if nothing else we should remember that Solas absorbed Mythal and she has been playing the long game to have her revenge that will "shake the very heavens" and the only way that can come about would be for the evanuris to be released on the world. Judging by some of the concept art, I think the Dread Wolf may be the least of our worries going forward. Let's face it, his signature weapon currently seems to be petrification. Find a way to counter that and essentially he's got nothing. Also, whilst we know that the "gods" are somewhat difficult to kill permanently, nevertheless we know from Mythal it is possible to remove them from circulation and considerably reduce their power when they return. I'm still holding out for the ultimate big bad we have to defeat not being any one individual but the blight itself. Only then will we have truly saved the world.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 22, 2021 11:48:07 GMT
I'm still holding out for the ultimate big bad we have to defeat not being any one individual but the blight itself. Only then will we have truly saved the world. That, I feel, should be something left for the Warden. Not that we're ever getting another game with the Warden, but if that was ever settled, they should be the one to do it. Didn't they, after all, set out to find a cure for the Taint? As a Warden isn't it their task to stop the Blight? Leave something for the Warden.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 22, 2021 14:53:18 GMT
This, of course, is a valid point and may be the twist in the plot that PW has been hinting at. Although, even that would be a repetition of DAI. After all, we had been led to believe Corypheus was the big bad, saved the world in defeating him, had a party to celebrate that fact and then, wouldn't you know, it turns out Corypheus wasn't the big bad after all. Oh is it really? I don´t think your argument change the fact that Corypheus was the final boss in DAI and even in Trespasser Solas isn´t the main villian. I don´t think it would be repetition if one of Evanuris most likely Elgar'nan would kill Solas in the same game aka DA 4 and becoming the end boss. Also it would in character that some of Solas plans are failing and i am really not convinced that Solas has a good plan against the Evanuris.
I don´t think that the DAO Warden will ever return but a kinda DAO reboot with a new warden as hero and the 6 Blight well seems very likely if we are getting more DA sequels. Maybe that´s the story of DA 5 or DA 6 when they are releasing in 2030 or 2036.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 14:55:21 GMT
That, I feel, should be something left for the Warden. If we are talking solely about which of our heroes thus far should be involved. However, they were only looking for a cure for the taint, as in trying to ensure they don't ultimately succumb to it but can live out their natural lifespan. They weren't actually looking for a cure for the blight itself. As a Warden isn't it their task to stop the Blight? Leave something for the Warden. This is not the responsibility of one single Warden but their order as a whole. Yet, each time, they only deal with the immediate danger of the current Arch-demon, plus deal with any darkspawn on the surface emerging between blights. The question has repeatedly been asked: "What happens when the last Arch-demon is dead? Does that mean an end to the blights or does it mean there will be nothing to keep the darkspawn underground in the future? There is also the problem of red lyrium. Now it is on the surface, there seems nothing to prevent its insidious spread. In the Descent, Rhen suggested that Grey Warden efforts might be better directed to finding the original source of the blights, the dwarves having never bought into the whole "Maker's punishment for invading his home" dogma. He thought that perhaps there was some Alpha-broodmother somewhere deep beneath the earth. Corypheus also seemed to confirm that he and his companions only "discovered" the corruption, which was already there in the Black City. Most things in the Fade only mirror something in Thedas. Admittedly, the Black City is said to be constant but that may only be because the degree to which conscious thoughts shape the Fade. All human religion with deities (Andrastrian, Old God, Avvar/barbarian) and elven religion seems to regard the city in the Fade as the home of their gods. Originally it was Golden because that is how people believed it to be. Then Corypheus and Co shattered the illusion and allowed it to be seen for what it was. They would then seem to have been ejected from the Fade into the actual location in Thedas, presumably breaking the seals that had been placed on it. The dwarves believe the first darkspawn came up from the depths and that is where I think we will find the source of the Blight. It doesn't matter who finds it; what matters is that they know what to do to destroy it. This theory of mine was only strengthened by the concept art of a year ago with that beating corrupted heart. So that does seem to be something that we will encounter at some point. The question is, what do we do when that happens?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 22, 2021 15:02:38 GMT
If we are talking solely about which of our heroes thus far should be involved. However, they were only looking for a cure for the taint, as in trying to ensure they don't ultimately succumb to it but can live out their natural lifespan. They weren't actually looking for a cure for the blight itself. Wouldn't that be a natural follow up? Curing the Taint, would be a step towards stopping the Blight, by curing the corruption. This is not the responsibility of one single Warden but their order as a whole. Yes, but the Warden is the only one, that we actually know, looking for a non world ending solution to the problem. And I guess we could have it be like "welp, they failed, died like a bitch, nobody cried for them", but that just reduces my investment into the franchise even more. I can only assume it does the same for many others, mainly of what's left of the original fanbase. Original being the key word, not current fanbase.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 15:06:11 GMT
Is this meant to be sarcasm when I'm actually agreeing with you? All I was pointing out was that it would hardly be original if we were to kill Solas, only for it to be revealed that he was never the main danger, even if that didn't occur until a DLC add on to the end of the main game. The Blight is the main threat to Thedas. It has been from the very beginning of our introduction to Thedas. The Warden in DAO only deal with the current Arch-demon. There are still 2 more out there and what then? Hawke also succeeded in introducing a new blight related threat to the world, red lyrium. Corypheus and his Venatori managed to escalate the level of that threat through farming the stuff. Even though, Corypheus was defeated, the Venatori are still merrily using red lyrium. Solas was very dismissive of the value of the Grey Warden's efforts. At best he suggested they had just been prolonging the inevitable. He also seemed to know way more about the Old Gods and the origins of the Blight than he was willing to reveal. This is why, if he turns around and says that he is actually taking action to save the world from the Blight, I won't be that surprised. If we stop him but not the Blight, then it will have been just another round of "saving the world" but only temporarily.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 15:17:58 GMT
Wouldn't that be a natural follow up? Curing the Taint, would be a step towards stopping the Blight, by curing the corruption. I'm thinking that it can't be "cured" in the conventional sense, certainly not with anything that might have been effective in an individual Warden. Of course, we have no idea if our Warden discovered a cure "in the west" anyway. Apart from the lover of Leliana, all the other versions of the Warden were still left out there unaccounted for. Leliana's Warden returned but no more was said on the subject. So either they were saving that for DA4 or they were hoping we would forget that loose end. Anyway, whether the Warden found one or not, I'm thinking it would probably be information that would be passed on. May be they did report back to Weishauppt and the First Warden suppressed the knowledge. After all, it would seem they weren't too thrilled when Fiona turned up having been cured. Perhaps we are going to discover that our Warden was murdered to keep the information secret. However, perhaps another Warden, Davrin may be, discovered the truth. Then if it really was capable of curing the taint, we just need to introduce it on a large enough scale at the source of the corruption, like we did with the genophage in ME3. However, various parties: still existent corrupted Magister Sidereal; Venatori; freed Evanuris, etc; are trying to prevent this. I could be wrong but it's worth a thought.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 22, 2021 15:20:55 GMT
However, perhaps another Warden, Davrin may be, discovered the truth Forget it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 22, 2021 15:26:24 GMT
Why, because he isn't our Warden? Remember, not all the Wardens survived DAO. Some are just dead heroes. So there is no one out there searching for a cure. Which is why I felt that was just a red herring in order to explain the absence of the Warden from the DAI plot. That doesn't mean that another Grey Warden might have decided that looking for a cure might be a good idea. May be the Inquisitor wasn't the first person to whom Rhen suggested that idea about searching for the source of the blight to deal with it once and for all.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 22, 2021 15:32:33 GMT
I won´t say that its original because its not in Bioware games (Sovereign or the Master Li twist) but my point is that won´t feel like repetition. Solas wasn´t gameplaywise a villian in DAI and Trespasser only at the end which could viewed as teaser for DA 4 would he become the villian or not for DA 4. When the series should end for good.
I don´t think that DA 4 is the last game in this franchise (only if the sales are too bad) so yeah i don´t believe that we deal with the Blight that much. Also why should Bioware waste a new Blight aka 6 archdemon story? I know many player haven´t touch the series after Witch Hunt so yeah maybe they could come back on board for if the series went back to the DAO roots. Also it would be a clear cut from the current stories if this game takes place in another age. This would makes it a lot easier for the devs.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 22, 2021 15:48:45 GMT
Why, because he isn't our Warden? Remember, not all the Wardens survived DAO. Some are just dead heroes. So there is no one out there searching for a cure. Which is why I felt that was just a red herring in order to explain the absence of the Warden from the DAI plot. That doesn't mean that another Grey Warden might have decided that looking for a cure might be a good idea. May be the Inquisitor wasn't the first person to whom Rhen suggested that idea about searching for the source of the blight to deal with it once and for all. That's all very nice, but you tanked my interest. So my investment in this aspect of the conversation is down to 0.
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I get it that the Inquisitor could be needed for the final confrontation with Solas but before? For my personal reasons i don´t like the Inquisitor i find him / her boring comparred to the Warden or Hawke. And speaking of Hawke i dislike his / her apperance in DAI. So why do we have to repeat the failure from turning a former full controlled playercharacter into a NPC? I bet like Hawke there would be many players out here who say this isn´t my Inquisitor any more in DA 4. Last but not least in my honest opinion it really doesn´t matter who stops Solas. We all know that Solas won´t be allowed to destroy Thedas so what´s the point in having this story again for a third time in a Dragon Age game? So yeah even a nug as DA 4 hero would stop Solas because he isn´t allowed to destroy Thedas.
Yeah....I also felt the Inquisitor was kinda....meh.... This was the first BioWare protagonist I had no major attachment to at all, and sort of expected a moment like in DA:O to "sacrifice for the greater good" and honestly? I probably would have taken it. The Warden is a God, and I so wish he/she would return (more than Hawke or the Inquisitor), but that ship will never sail sadly. Hawke started indifferent to me as well, but quickly grew on me and I came to like Hawke. The Inquisitor....meh? I honestly just had no interest in the character. I honestly was more interested in Varric and Cassandra, and Blackwall more than the main character of a game. And agreed about who should stop Solas. If Hawke wasn't allowed to stop Coryphyus, then why would it make sense for the Inquisitor to be the one to stop Solas, when anyone would/could be capable of stopping him, since this is the destruction of the World we're talking about here.
" “According to the telemetry, Dorian wasn’t an active companion in very many peoples’ parties,” Gaider says. “He was also the least-romanced of the romanceable NPCs, percentage-wise. I don’t think numbers really matter to those who loved him, however. He struck a chord with a lot of people. " www.thegamer.com/dragon-age-inquisition-dorian-david-gaider-interview/I always thought that Dorian has one more popular party members and romances. And even boring Blackwall beats him as least romanced character i am sorry but WTF?!?! To be fair, none of the mages in terms of combat/usefulness were that great. And since I preferred having a balanced party, I went with a Mage for Inquisition (which....was kinda eh, but that's not the point of this response). As for personality - Vivienne - I agree that the Circles are needed, but there needs to be massive change. So I was perfectly content with Vivienne being left in Orlais, really. Solas....what a jackass..... I so wanted to just tell him to f**k off, or throw him off a cliff from Skyhold and just end it all right there.
Dorian was the clear winner this go around with personality for the mages. And he got bonus points for basically saying that, "Yes, I love Tevinter, but we're wrong about a lot of things, including our Circles," or something to that effect. I know someone who loathes Dorian for this reason (he's a massive, pro-Tevinter guy that wants all mages "unshackled" and using their magic for their own personal power/gain). But for me, that aside, the man has a personality and doesn't try to talk down to you. He actually talks to you as someone that wants to be your friend, or at least get to know you better as a person.
So it's possible his "popularity" is due more to people being mages since none of the options were the best perhaps? That's how I read it, since he wasn't in very many parties, but "struck a chord with a lot of people" kind of suggests this might be a strong possibility.
As for being even less romanced than Blackwall? I got nothing; my guess is it's as was suggested earlier - people probably playing more M/F or possibly F/F (in the cases for Josephine and Sera) than pursuing Dorian. It could also be that, as it was also said earlier, that some might have felt their Inquisitor didn't "stack up" enough to be worthy for Dorian. How Blackwall beats him is beyond me....but eh; we all enjoy what we enjoy.
To touch on the whole Varric thing - I love the guy. Loved him in DA2, glad to have him back as my main rogue in DA:I, but I'm okay with him not returning in DA4. He's had his moment to shine, let someone else step into the role. I'd say Harding, but that's just me.... And my thoughts on Cole - never really used him, never really cared for him, to be honest. Again, some liked him - that's fine. Just for me, he was entirely forgettable, really. I didn't hate him by any means; I just think he wasn't as developed as he could have been.
Hawk is probably my favorite video game protaganist. I don't know why but a smart a** Hawk is unbeatable.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 22, 2021 17:47:07 GMT
Hawk is probably my favorite video game protaganist. I don't know why but a smart a** Hawk is unbeatable. Again can you please just quote that you wanne talk about and not whole thing?
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 22, 2021 20:36:07 GMT
1) And agreed about who should stop Solas. If Hawke wasn't allowed to stop Coryphyus, then why would it make sense for the Inquisitor to be the one to stop Solas, when anyone would/could be capable of stopping him, since this is the destruction of the World we're talking about here.
2) Dorian was the clear winner this go around with personality for the mages. And he got bonus points for basically saying that, "Yes, I love Tevinter, but we're wrong about a lot of things, including our Circles," or something to that effect. 1) DAI!Hawke: "Corypheus is muh responsibility!!!" *dies to spider demon* Meredith and Anders: "Are we a joke to you?"
2) I remember Dorian doing some andrastian mainstream rambling with regards to "faith". I don't remember him wanting to be dominated by the templar's divine right.
Why, because he isn't our Warden? Remember, not all the Wardens survived DAO. Some are just dead heroes. So there is no one out there searching for a cure. Which is why I felt that was just a red herring in order to explain the absence of the Warden from the DAI plot. That doesn't mean that another Grey Warden might have decided that looking for a cure might be a good idea. May be the Inquisitor wasn't the first person to whom Rhen suggested that idea about searching for the source of the blight to deal with it once and for all. That's all very nice, but you tanked my interest. So my investment in this aspect of the conversation is down to 0. "Funny that I never saw it begin."
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 23, 2021 0:27:20 GMT
Why is cole off the table? He can’t be killed The problem with Cole is that maybe he could work in your world state but Bioware have to consider all options. This isn´t just about human or spirit Cole. What happened to Cole if the player doesn´t his personal quest,
doesn´t recruit him or Cole left the Inquisition? I don´t think that this voice actor would be a big problem here. Just recast Cole if he really was meant to come back. And after Trespasser i don´t think that was the case he was more written off. Last but not least Patrick Weekes had mentioned that Cole was the most difficult companion to write in DAI.
So i doubt that we will write much for him in DA 4. Personal i believe that the Ghost Rider guy is our kinda spirit / possessed companion this time.
What is this of?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 23, 2021 1:24:06 GMT
The problem with Cole is that maybe he could work in your world state but Bioware have to consider all options. This isn´t just about human or spirit Cole. What happened to Cole if the player doesn´t his personal quest,
doesn´t recruit him or Cole left the Inquisition? I don´t think that this voice actor would be a big problem here. Just recast Cole if he really was meant to come back. And after Trespasser i don´t think that was the case he was more written off. Last but not least Patrick Weekes had mentioned that Cole was the most difficult companion to write in DAI.
So i doubt that we will write much for him in DA 4. Personal i believe that the Ghost Rider guy is our kinda spirit / possessed companion this time.
What is this of? It's a concept art from this behind the scenes trailer.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 23, 2021 2:56:11 GMT
1) DAI!Hawke: "Corypheus is muh responsibility!!!" *dies to spider demon* Meredith and Anders: "Are we a joke to you?"
Don't know about Hawke dying to the Spider Demon; Stroud usually dies to it, though so....
And yes, Meredith and Anders both are a joke to me. Anders especially....he was a major dumbass....and while we're at it, throw Orisino in there, too!
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2021 8:30:40 GMT
And he got bonus points for basically saying that, "Yes, I love Tevinter, but we're wrong about a lot of things, including our Circles," or something to that effect. 2) I remember Dorian doing some andrastian mainstream rambling with regards to "faith". I don't remember him wanting to be dominated by the templar's divine right. From what I recall, Dorian never said anything detrimental about Tevinter Circles. In fact he pointed out they were places of education, not nasty "mage prisons". What he had some reservations about was giving mages their complete freedom if that is what the Inquisitor decides to do. It will give them licence to become like the mages back home and he acknowledges that many mages do abuse their power there. Now he maintains the set up in Tevinter was once like the south, with Templars and "proper" Circles. I'm not clear what he means by that. According to WoT, the idea of having Circles to train mages was Hessarian's idea. He re-purposed the Old God temples to this effect, which is why the Circle in Minrathous is the old Temple to Razikale, and intended that they should train mages to serve the interests of the Imperium first and foremost but that would entail them being free to do this, not wheeled out once in a while when a major threat like the Blight presents itself, as is the case in the south. The Archon was also head of the Chantry (or whatever it was called back then). The big difference in Hessarian's time would seem to be that the Soporati were admitted to the clergy of his religion, which had not been the case with the religion of the Old Gods where all the clergy were mages, usually Altus mages. As a result, because the clergy of the Imperial religion qualify for seats on the Magisterium, this meant Soporati had seats on the Magisterium too. However, Altus clergy who had converted to the new faith instead of resisting it and being slaughtered were able to gradually steer things back to the original status quo after Hessarian's death, so within a generation the Altus were back in control of the state religion. This being the case, it seems highly unlikely that they would ever have approved of the Circles effectively being used as general mage prisons, as they were in the south, although of course they could use the Templars against political opponents on the grounds of corrupt practices, which Dorian says is still the case. The Tevinter elite are quite willing to use the Rite of Tranquility as a punishment for political opponents. Dorian alludes to this as well, which is why he is interested to hear that Cassandra has discovered a way to reverse it. I'm not sure if Tevinter Templars have ever used lyrium in the way the southern ones do but that is not the case now, which is why sending southern Templars north to help protect Maevaris really flummoxed her assailants. In any case, Templars have always been tools of the state, with very little autonomy to act outside the diktats of their masters. In Tevinter Nights it seems that important families can easily stop an investigation with a word or bribe in the right ear. Anyway, Dorian quite clearly says that whilst what happened in Tevinter should be a cautionary tale to the south, it is no justification for locking mages away entirely. There just needs to be checks and balances in the system to ensure that doesn't happen. It probably helps that there is not the same link between mages and the ruling class down south. In Tevinter the ruling Altus have always been mages, whereas down south, whilst the children of nobility did get preferential treatment in the Circles, the majority of mages are from commoner families, so their allegiance would be to them. So competing self-interest of the non-mage elite should help to keep mages from automatically taking power, whilst the mages would enable the commoners to be better protected against abuses of the nobility (I'm particularly thinking of Orlais here). Also, Dorian's faith amounts to a belief in the Maker and that is it, because he feels that is preferable to believing there is no one out there. He doesn't seem to have much knowledge about the Andrastrian faith, apart from what he has picked up since coming south, and tells us little about the Imperial Chantry, which is understandable if he is not particularly devout. He claims that people in Tevinter always denied they had anything to do with the origin of the blight, which of course could be true, but this extended to denying any connection through the Magisters Sidereal, which is odd considering the Canticle of Silence, that is the chief source of information about this, was written by Hessarian and thus you would think would be an integral part of Imperial Chantry texts. It was a southern Divine who rejected it from Chant as being too full of Hessarian's propaganda but as this was done before the split with the Imperial Chantry, I suppose it is possible they did take her at her word, since it was in their interests to do so, and that is how the Altus came to maintain they had nothing to do with the blights.
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