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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 26, 2021 4:02:15 GMT
That brings me to the question: if they were to kill off a returning character, which character do you think they'd kill off? Answering with Solas is cheating. Dog
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Aug 26, 2021 4:37:16 GMT
That brings me to the question: if they were to kill off a returning character, which character do you think they'd kill off? Answering with Solas is cheating. Dog I suppose the dog would be dead by now.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 26, 2021 8:32:02 GMT
if they were to kill off a returning character, which character do you think they'd kill off? The most obvious one is the Inquisitor. That would remove a big headache for them. However, if they are killed I doubt it will be by Solas' hand. He has had plenty of opportunities for killing them, including in their sleep, so it would have to be someone else. A rogue agent perhaps? Also Morrigan. I could totally see her getting wrapped up in Solas's schemes or even getting enslaved by him(via the Well Drinking + Solas absorbing Mythal's essence). Or at least a version of her who did the OWB + Well drinking. That whole drinking from the Well of Sorrows thing is a loose end that needs tying up. Remember the Inquisitor could drink instead of Morrigan. That had the benefit of being able to talk proper elven and give the appropriate password to the spirits serving Solas in Trespasser but there has to be more to the problem of who should have drunk than that. We know Mythal can control the drinker. If Solas absorbed Mythal, then presumably he can now do that too. Or was one of Flemeth's final acts to release them from the Geas? Solas clearly had concerns about the knowledge of the Well; which I assume is why he asks you what you will do with it, although that always seemed rather odd if Morrigan was the one who drank because surely he should be asking her? Anyway, it is possible he wouldn't want to kill the Well Drinker for fear of what it would unleash. It is difficult to know who else they could kill off who isn't already potentially dead and has a reason for being up north. I don't think they would dare kill off Dorian. Isabella? Ditto. Merrill? I suppose she could have joined Solas, so we are forced to kill her. Hardly anyone else I can think of meets my qualifying criteria, except more minor characters like Harding or Charter and they are more likely to be bridging characters rather than cannon fodder.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 26, 2021 10:14:36 GMT
I don't think they would dare kill off Dorian. Why not though? Considering his popularity, it would really hit home if he bit the dust.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 26, 2021 12:05:48 GMT
I don't think they would dare kill off Dorian. Why not though? Considering his popularity, it would really hit home if he bit the dust. The same would be true for most companions, I guess. I might not be heartbroken personally by say Merrills death, but a lot of people would be. I agree, that a possible character death should have impact and really hurt. Dorian in so far would make sense, as he probably will be in the game. But Merrill, as gervaise said, could be a follower of Solas now or otherwise connected. Fenris would be a good candidate too. I think, he is around Tevinter, hunting magisters atm? I haven't read the comics yet, so correct me, if I'm wrong. I would be ok with killing off Varric too. It seems, that he will be somehow part of the story, so the possibility is there. It would certainly have an impact on me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 26, 2021 12:45:10 GMT
Merrill would never join Solas. She tells stories about not trusting Fen’Harel on two separate occasions in DA2, and Varric for sure would warn her. If anything her knowledge of Eluvians would have her help the protagonist. The only elven companion we’ve had who could join Solas is Velanna.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 13:02:24 GMT
Merrill would never join Solas. She tells stories about not trusting Fen’Harel on two separate occasions in DA2, and Varric for sure would warn her. If anything her knowledge of Eluvians would have her help the protagonist. The only elven companion we’ve had who could join Solas is Velanna. Very much this. Having just finished a complete DA2 run, Merrill is not down with the wolf.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 26, 2021 13:04:27 GMT
Sure, fine, kill the setting's only gay man. It's not as if there's multiple popular straight characters who've had screentime in all three games.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 26, 2021 13:07:40 GMT
And we all know that in BioWare games, existing characters will return juuust the way we remember them...
Which is why I prefer to keep them to an absolute minimum.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 26, 2021 13:29:40 GMT
Sure, fine, kill the setting's only gay man. It's not as if there's multiple popular straight characters who've had screentime in all three games. We could kill off the entirety of Inquisitions cast. I would be down with that.
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Post by bierkrug on Aug 26, 2021 14:16:44 GMT
The same would be true for most companions, I guess. I think Dorian might he have been the most universally liked character in DAI and is definitly alive for the next one, that would be quite the punch. Sera was loathed by a lot of people. Cole... can he even die? Vivienne and Cassandra are probably out due to being Divine. Blackwall, Bull are quantum characters. Technically, that also leaves Varric, though judging from the reactions to his return, plenty of people would like to see him go for good XD Maybe one of the advisors? Josephine would be alive in every timeline, not sure how popular she is. Dunno how much impact death of the older companions would have. But then again, DAI is pretty old by game standards too.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 26, 2021 14:49:40 GMT
Merrill would never join Solas. She tells stories about not trusting Fen’Harel on two separate occasions in DA2, and Varric for sure would warn her. If anything her knowledge of Eluvians would have her help the protagonist. I know she shouldn't get sucked in based off our previous knowledge but she's a (former) Dalish who still sympathises with their viewpoint and wants to save her people, so the writers could use that as their excuse, bearing in mind PW seems biased against the Dalish. Now that could be a reason for Solas killing her. May be Merrill sees something she shouldn't, you know what I mean? I'd rather she was left down south helping the elves but her association with Varric could bring her into conflict with Solas' agents even if not Solas himself.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 26, 2021 15:19:51 GMT
And we all know that in BioWare games, existing characters will return juuust the way we remember them... Which is why I prefer to keep them to an absolute minimum. I’m fully expecting character assassinations. Merrill would never join Solas. She tells stories about not trusting Fen’Harel on two separate occasions in DA2, and Varric for sure would warn her. If anything her knowledge of Eluvians would have her help the protagonist. I know she shouldn't get sucked in based off our previous knowledge but she's a (former) Dalish who still sympathises with their viewpoint and wants to save her people, so the writers could use that as their excuse, bearing in mind PW seems biased against the Dalish. Now that could be a reason for Solas killing her. May be Merrill sees something she shouldn't, you know what I mean? I'd rather she was left down south helping the elves but her association with Varric could bring her into conflict with Solas' agents even if not Solas himself. Not all Dalish are supporting Solas. If anything they should be the elven group that trusts him the least due to, you know, him being a trickster god and all. That’d certainly be a way to make DA4 even worse than it already will be. But I doubt she’ll be involved at all, considering she can be dead. Unless they do like they did in ME3 where either she shows up if alive or another character does to fill that role if not.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 26, 2021 15:37:53 GMT
But I doubt she’ll be involved at all, considering she can be dead. Can she? I didn't know that. I thought she always survives no matter what. Not all Dalish are supporting Solas. If anything they should be the elven group that trusts him the least due to, you know, him being a trickster god and all. I agree but the writers do tend to ignore previous lore when it comes to the Dalish. What were that clan (the one whose children were killed) doing up in Tevinter in Tevinter Nights? Merrill says that the Dalish don't go anywhere near it, for obvious reasons. Lavellan says the same to Dorian. Then there is meant to be another clan knocking around in Arlathan Forest. Again, I'd have thought that was too close to Tevinter for comfort but they seem to have been there long enough for Strife to know that the paths had changed. So, if it was generally safe for occupation, why hadn't word got back to the clans in the south and they all headed that way? That would effectively be the homeland they had been searching for. Also, that first story in Tevinter Nights definitely had him speak of getting word "to the clans", so it would seem there was more than one in the vicinity. So now there are numerous clans up there; if this is not a direct contradiction of both Merrill and Lavellan, then it would seem that something or someone had drawn them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 26, 2021 15:46:55 GMT
But I doubt she’ll be involved at all, considering she can be dead. Can she? I didn't know that. I thought she always survives no matter what. Not all Dalish are supporting Solas. If anything they should be the elven group that trusts him the least due to, you know, him being a trickster god and all. I agree but the writers do tend to ignore previous lore when it comes to the Dalish. What were that clan (the one whose children were killed) doing up in Tevinter in Tevinter Nights? Merrill says that the Dalish don't go anywhere near it, for obvious reasons. Lavellan says the same to Dorian. Then there is meant to be another clan knocking around in Arlathan Forest. Again, I'd have thought that was too close to Tevinter for comfort but they seem to have been there long enough for Strife to know that the paths had changed. So, if it was generally safe for occupation, why hadn't word got back to the clans in the south and they all headed that way? That would effectively be the homeland they had been searching for. Also, that first story in Tevinter Nights definitely had him speak of getting word "to the clans", so it would seem there was more than one in the vicinity. So now there are numerous clans up there; if this is not a direct contradiction of both Merrill and Lavellan, then it would seem that something or someone had drawn them. In DA2 if you side with the Templars and don’t have high enough support with her she’ll side with the mages and oppose you. Oh I’m sure some clans have joined him, especially if he keeps who he is secret from them. We also know the clans can be wildly different from each other, so some might not care. But as I said before, unlike all of them Merrill knows the truth about Solas and his plans. Not to mention she wouldn’t want all her non-elven friends (and possibly lover) to die, similar to characters like Charter.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 26, 2021 15:47:57 GMT
That brings me to the question: if they were to kill off a returning character, which character do you think they'd kill off? Answering with Solas is cheating. I hope if they do this it isn't just bringing back a character just to kill them. Like if they brought back Oghren for example just to kill him or something like that.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 26, 2021 15:48:48 GMT
But I doubt she’ll be involved at all, considering she can be dead. Can she? I didn't know that. I thought she always survives no matter what. Yes, if you side with the templars and not have high enough influence with her (same as with Fenris, if you side with the mages with not enough influence)
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 26, 2021 15:50:42 GMT
In DA2 if you side with the Templars and don’t have high enough support with her she’ll side with the mages and oppose you. I've had just realised that myself. I so seldom side with the Templars that I had totally forgotten this could happen. I've also always locked Merrill in on either friendship or rivalry, so even when I did side with the Templars, she left me alone. Still they managed to overlook Fenris' potential death in the comic series, so you never know. Merrill knows the truth about Solas and his plans. Not to mention she wouldn’t want all her non-elven friends (and possibly lover) to die, similar to characters like Charter. As you say, it is highly unlikely he could dupe Merrill but she could offer her aid against him and get killed. He did say that would be the fate of anyone who got in his way.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 26, 2021 15:51:07 GMT
I know she shouldn't get sucked in based off our previous knowledge but she's a (former) Dalish who still sympathises with their viewpoint and wants to save her people, so the writers could use that as their excuse, bearing in mind PW seems biased against the Dalish. Now that could be a reason for Solas killing her. May be Merrill sees something she shouldn't, you know what I mean? I'd rather she was left down south helping the elves but her association with Varric could bring her into conflict with Solas' agents even if not Solas himself. Not all Dalish are supporting Solas. If anything they should be the elven group that trusts him the least due to, you know, him being a trickster god and all. That’d certainly be a way to make DA4 even worse than it already will be. But I doubt she’ll be involved at all, considering she can be dead. Unless they do like they did in ME3 where either she shows up if alive or another character does to fill that role if not. I am not being rude or trying to be mean but if you are sure that DA4 is gonna suck then why waste time coming here? It just seems like a waste of time and energy.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 26, 2021 15:51:53 GMT
The same would be true for most companions, I guess. I think Dorian might he have been the most universally liked character in DAI and is definitly alive for the next one, that would be quite the punch. Sera was loathed by a lot of people. Cole... can he even die? Vivienne and Cassandra are probably out due to being Divine. Blackwall, Bull are quantum characters. Technically, that also leaves Varric, though judging from the reactions to his return, plenty of people would like to see him go for good XD Maybe one of the advisors? Josephine would be alive in every timeline, not sure how popular she is. Dunno how much impact death of the older companions would have. But then again, DAI is pretty old by game standards too. I think, Fenris is a real possibility too. But maybe they don't kill off a character or one of those, who are around since the beginning, like Morrigan or Oghren (although I don't know, why Oghren would be in Tevinter). Leliana is probably out of the picture too.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 26, 2021 16:00:49 GMT
I think Dorian might he have been the most universally liked character in DAI and is definitly alive for the next one, that would be quite the punch. Sera was loathed by a lot of people. Cole... can he even die? Vivienne and Cassandra are probably out due to being Divine. Blackwall, Bull are quantum characters. Technically, that also leaves Varric, though judging from the reactions to his return, plenty of people would like to see him go for good XD Maybe one of the advisors? Josephine would be alive in every timeline, not sure how popular she is. Dunno how much impact death of the older companions would have. But then again, DAI is pretty old by game standards too. I think, Fenris is a real possibility too. But maybe they don't kill off a character or one of those, who are around since the beginning, like Morrigan or Oghren (although I don't know, why Oghren would be in Tevinter). Leliana is probably out of the picture too. I think Bull was too well liked to kill off. Sera might get the ax if she plays with magisters like she does the nobles in the south. Magisters don't mess around. Morrigan is the only character from DAO who I could see getting the axe and in DA2 I think only Fenris or Merrill have a chance on the block. I mean I don't see issabela going to tevinter to play with mages or the qunari.
Also I think Dorian was the most well liked character by neccesity almost. He is the best choice for a mage as the other is a snob who makes snobby comments and actually insults other characters for no reason and then the master of genocide himself who is also a bit touchy. Dorian by contrast even when insulting someone does it in a playful way or is justified in being angry. Most of the time his comments are at least entertaining. So if you want a mage in your party Dorian tends to be the way to go.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 26, 2021 16:38:13 GMT
I think, Fenris is a real possibility too. But maybe they don't kill off a character or one of those, who are around since the beginning, like Morrigan or Oghren (although I don't know, why Oghren would be in Tevinter). Leliana is probably out of the picture too. I think Bull was too well liked to kill off. Sera might get the ax if she plays with magisters like she does the nobles in the south. Magisters don't mess around. Morrigan is the only character from DAO who I could see getting the axe and in DA2 I think only Fenris or Merrill have a chance on the block. I mean I don't see issabela going to tevinter to play with mages or the qunari.
Also I think Dorian was the most well liked character by neccesity almost. He is the best choice for a mage as the other is a snob who makes snobby comments and actually insults other characters for no reason and then the master of genocide himself who is also a bit touchy. Dorian by contrast even when insulting someone does it in a playful way or is justified in being angry. Most of the time his comments are at least entertaining. So if you want a mage in your party Dorian tends to be the way to go.
Depending on your decisions, Bull can be dead.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 26, 2021 16:42:17 GMT
I think Bull was too well liked to kill off. Depending on your decisions, Bull can be dead. I suppose technically it is Hissrad who is dead. The Iron Bull died with his Chargers no matter what he still continued to call himself. When the Viddasala called him to action, she used his Qunari name. The Iron Bull is the one who refused her.
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Post by fylimar on Aug 26, 2021 16:43:43 GMT
I think Bull was too well liked to kill off. Depending on your decisions, Bull can be dead. I suppose technically it is Hissrad who is dead. The Iron Bull died with his Chargers no matter what he still continued to call himself. When the Viddasala called him to action, she used his Qunari name. The Iron Bull is the one who refused her. That is true. Luckily, I never killed the Chargers (like them too much), so I only saw the scene on youtube.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 26, 2021 16:56:06 GMT
Killing off Dorian would be a good move. The character is completely optional and has no plot relevance in Inquisition. Plus, his writer is no longer with the company, so taking the character in a new direction...nah. Kill him off to show us Tevinter's unpreparedness and then make the PC rally and fight. Plus, what good is his character? His plot arc is completely ended now that the afterschool special is over with his father dead. It'll make Varric's Trespasser speech far more poignant.
Merrill would never follow Solas. In fact, I think the Dalish would be the most likely to fight against him. He is their devil, but more to the point, they know he is a trickster. They would never take his promises.
Iron Bull shouldn't be killed because he'd have no reason to be in Tevinter. QunBull would be dead already and VashothBull would be smart enough to know not to get into a fight with the qunari. It's far too easy to mistake him at a glance for an enemy.
Killing off Stenishok would be great, but he'd be a villain so he doesn't count. Fenris, perhaps, he might join the enemy but you might work with him before and have a chance to get him back.
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