inherit
1363
0
Dec 31, 2021 19:39:42 GMT
1,233
garrusfan1
1,826
Aug 30, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
August 2016
garrusfan1
|
Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 17, 2021 22:47:08 GMT
Basically he plans to tear down the veil from my understanding. So wouldn't it mostly be non mages who took the hit from that and mages would be okay? Or am I missing something.
|
|
inherit
11450
0
4,328
necrowaif
1,925
Mar 24, 2020 19:57:15 GMT
March 2020
necrowaif
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition
LameZombieHunt
|
Post by necrowaif on Aug 17, 2021 23:01:25 GMT
His plan is actually to completely destroy modern Thedas and restore the civilization of the ancient elves. That means killing everybody in modern Thedas, elves included.
|
|
inherit
1363
0
Dec 31, 2021 19:39:42 GMT
1,233
garrusfan1
1,826
Aug 30, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
August 2016
garrusfan1
|
Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 17, 2021 23:05:29 GMT
His plan is actually to completely destroy modern Thedas and restore the civilization of the ancient elves. That means killing everybody in modern Thedas, elves included. Did he actually say he was gonna kill everyone or that they "might" die. He talked about how he felt like a tranquil walking around in the new world so I figured he would be just ripping open the veil which would add magic to the world on a massive level.
|
|
inherit
11450
0
4,328
necrowaif
1,925
Mar 24, 2020 19:57:15 GMT
March 2020
necrowaif
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition
LameZombieHunt
|
Post by necrowaif on Aug 17, 2021 23:13:04 GMT
His plan is actually to completely destroy modern Thedas and restore the civilization of the ancient elves. That means killing everybody in modern Thedas, elves included. Did he actually say he was gonna kill everyone or that they "might" die. He talked about how he felt like a tranquil walking around in the new world so I figured he would be just ripping open the veil which would add magic to the world on a massive level. "I am not Corypheus. I take no joy in this. But the return of my people means the end of yours."There's not a lot of ambiguity there. Solas plans to destroy the modern world, and everyone living in it, to restore the ancient one. Also, Plan A was to destroy Thedas involved tearing down the Veil, which would have unleashed untold legions of spirits and demons onto a world not equipped to deal with them. It would have been the end of the world. However, that plan was foiled when his orb was destroyed. We're not certain Plan B is. It may involve tearing down the Veil through some different means, or Solas may be plotting something else.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,664
gervaise21
10,783
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2021 7:32:47 GMT
So wouldn't it mostly be non mages who took the hit from that and mages would be okay? I agree with everything Necrowaif has said. Also, we have no idea how the sudden influx of magic might affect the minds of the mages. Solas likened modern people to tranquil. Well the only examples we have of tranquil recovering their magic are Karl in DA2, which was temporary, and Pharamond in Asunder, which was permanent. In the case of the latter, he found the restoration of his emotions almost overwhelming. So whilst the analogy that Solas used may not be entirely accurate, since the mages currently do have their emotions, it may be true to say that they would experience a heightened awareness that their minds would struggle to process. There is also a passage in Tevinter Nights which could be taken to suggest that Solas current plan will not impact on the elves as much as everyone else. Much depends on whether you consider Charter a modern elf. In fact, the words would seem to contradict a statement made by Charter concerning the destruction of the world, which Solas did not seek to deny. Also, even if his plan does not mean the end of modern elves, that relates to their nature as elves rather than whether they are currently mages or not. (I'm sorry I can't quote the passages but I have recently packed my books away pending a house move)
|
|
inherit
1363
0
Dec 31, 2021 19:39:42 GMT
1,233
garrusfan1
1,826
Aug 30, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
August 2016
garrusfan1
|
Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 18, 2021 11:40:55 GMT
Did he actually say he was gonna kill everyone or that they "might" die. He talked about how he felt like a tranquil walking around in the new world so I figured he would be just ripping open the veil which would add magic to the world on a massive level. "I am not Corypheus. I take no joy in this. But the return of my people means the end of yours."There's not a lot of ambiguity there. Solas plans to destroy the modern world, and everyone living in it, to restore the ancient one. Also, Plan A was to destroy Thedas involved tearing down the Veil, which would have unleashed untold legions of spirits and demons onto a world not equipped to deal with them. It would have been the end of the world. However, that plan was foiled when his orb was destroyed. We're not certain Plan B is. It may involve tearing down the Veil through some different means, or Solas may be plotting something else. Unfortunetly it is kinda generalizing. Even had his orgiginal plan worked some people would have survived. I mean even if solas made the veil twenty thousand years prior their still would have been humans and dwarves and kossith someplace in the world that dragon age takes place in. So while it would devesatate the population by untold numbers their would still be people left. But it would definetly be the end to the world as the people of thedas know it. So basically it's a matter of devastating the population, destroying the current system, and changing it into something completly different. This is what I see him doing rather then kill every last person in thedas. But back to my original question would non elven mages be as effected as the other non elven people.
|
|
fairdragon
N3
Games: Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
Posts: 920 Likes: 382
inherit
11611
0
Apr 25, 2024 13:49:20 GMT
382
fairdragon
920
Jul 30, 2020 17:14:13 GMT
July 2020
fairdragon
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
|
Post by fairdragon on Aug 18, 2021 12:50:04 GMT
There's not a lot of ambiguity there. Solas plans to destroy the modern world, and everyone living in it, to restore the ancient one. I agree with everything Necrowaif has said. Do we even know exactly what happens when the veil comes down? And what the exact consequences are? The only thing I remember are Sola's words and sorry he was wrong with his prediction about a result. we can make assumptions, but strictly speaking no one really knows. or do you have more information?
|
|
inherit
285
0
1,950
Zemgus
1,251
August 2016
zemgus
|
Post by Zemgus on Aug 18, 2021 16:40:51 GMT
His plan is actually to completely destroy modern Thedas and restore the civilization of the ancient elves. That means killing everybody in modern Thedas, elves included. Tevinter Nights seems to imply this is not actually true. Here's a Solas quote directly from the book: "What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done."
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,664
gervaise21
10,783
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2021 16:44:21 GMT
Do we even know exactly what happens when the veil comes down? And what the exact consequences are? No, we don't. We only have Solas words about what he thinks will happen. Now you could argue that he has been wrong before but of course we have no idea whether he anticipated the disastrous effects that resulted from his action and went ahead regardless, or whether he had no idea such destruction of the elven civilisation would occur. However, this time round he is definitely predicting wholesale destruction, even if it does result in isolated instances of survivors, and is nevertheless going ahead regardless because it means the return of "his People", which in this case means the magically endowed elves of ancient times. May be he will be wrong about this but in terms of what he thinks will happen it is true to say that so far as the continent of Thedas is concerned, the outcome for the modern races is not anticipated to be a good one. But back to my original question would non elven mages be as effected as the other non elven people. Based off everything Solas said, I would say "yes". If he draws no distinction between modern elves and other races in his predictions of the demise of "their people", then I would certainly think that non-elven mages would fair no better than non-elven other people. Bear in mind that the mages of ancient Tevinter recognised something different in the blood of elves that made them more potent blood sacrifices, whether mages or not, so the distinction between mages and non-mages within races is probably less pronounced than the different between elves and other races.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,664
gervaise21
10,783
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2021 16:52:56 GMT
"What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done." I mentioned this up above (but under a spoiler). This statement is ambiguous since only just before he was apologising again to the Inquisitor for what he must do and Charter asks if he really thought they wouldn't try to stop him. Also, Charter's response to this is to think of her human lover and realise that even if she were to survive, her lover would not. As I've also pointed out above, the ambiguity stems from the fact we do not know if in fact Charter is an awakened ancient elf or a straight forward modern one. It would seem odd if it were the latter because in many cases the Inquisitor was a modern elf and yet he says the same to them as any other race concerning the possible survival of "their people". When you consider that Abelas drew a distinction between modern elves and Solas when it came to "his People", I'm inclined to think that if Solas was being sincere to Charter, she must be a secret ancient elf. Otherwise, he is being wholly inconsistent. Mind you, given his reputation as a trickster, that wouldn't surprise me. I suppose there is an outside chance that the modern elves will be so transformed by the restoration of magic that essentially the people that they are currently will no longer exist. May be it will even wipe their memories of their former existence, so even though they survive, technically their former self was destroyed along with everyone else.
|
|
inherit
11450
0
4,328
necrowaif
1,925
Mar 24, 2020 19:57:15 GMT
March 2020
necrowaif
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition
LameZombieHunt
|
Post by necrowaif on Aug 18, 2021 16:53:57 GMT
His plan is actually to completely destroy modern Thedas and restore the civilization of the ancient elves. That means killing everybody in modern Thedas, elves included. Tevinter Nights seems to imply this is not actually true. Here's a Solas quote directly from the book: "What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done." ”The elves who still remain” implies there are many elves who will not.
|
|
inherit
285
0
1,950
Zemgus
1,251
August 2016
zemgus
|
Post by Zemgus on Aug 18, 2021 16:56:42 GMT
Tevinter Nights seems to imply this is not actually true. Here's a Solas quote directly from the book: "What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done." ”The elves who still remain” implies there are many elves who will not. He was talking to Charter who is afaik a normal city elf. So which elves are you talking about here exactly? The book seemed to imply that what ever Solas is planning will indeed be harmful to many people but necessarily not to elves.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,664
gervaise21
10,783
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2021 16:58:12 GMT
He was talking to Charter who is afaik a normal city elf. If she is then his comment was totally inconsistent with his words to an elven Inquisitor. However, see my comments above.
|
|
inherit
11450
0
4,328
necrowaif
1,925
Mar 24, 2020 19:57:15 GMT
March 2020
necrowaif
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition
LameZombieHunt
|
Post by necrowaif on Aug 18, 2021 16:58:38 GMT
I’m certain that Solas has promised his followers that they will survive while the rest of Thedas dies. And perhaps he even means it. After all, the reborn elven civilization will need a new underclass of servants.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 23, 2024 17:30:54 GMT
30,246
Hanako Ikezawa
22,353
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 18, 2021 17:03:13 GMT
I’m certain that Solas has promised his followers that they will survive while the rest of Thedas dies. And perhaps he even means it. After all, the reborn elven civilization will need a new underclass of servants. Yeah, he is absolutely lying to them to use them as sacrificial pawns. After all, he and Abalas have both established that when they talk about elves, they mean only the ancient elves. They don't consider modern elves to be elves or their people, or even people at all.
|
|
inherit
285
0
1,950
Zemgus
1,251
August 2016
zemgus
|
Post by Zemgus on Aug 18, 2021 17:06:46 GMT
"What I am doing will save this world, and those like you - the elves who still remain - may even find it better, when it is done." I mentioned this up above (but under a spoiler). This statement is ambiguous since only just before he was apologising again to the Inquisitor for what he must do and Charter asks if he really thought they wouldn't try to stop him. Also, Charter's response to this is to think of her human lover and realise that even if she were to survive, her lover would not. As I've also pointed out above, the ambiguity stems from the fact we do not know if in fact Charter is an awakened ancient elf or a straight forward modern one. It would seem odd if it were the latter because in many cases the Inquisitor was a modern elf and yet he says the same to them as any other race concerning the possible survival of "their people". When you consider that Abelas drew a distinction between modern elves and Solas when it came to "his People", I'm inclined to think that if Solas was being sincere to Charter, she must be a secret ancient elf. Otherwise, he is being wholly inconsistent. Mind you, given his reputation as a trickster, that wouldn't surprise me. I suppose there is an outside chance that the modern elves will be so transformed by the restoration of magic that essentially the people that they are currently will no longer exist. May be it will even wipe their memories of their former existence, so even though they survive, technically their former self was destroyed along with everyone else. I know fans have this theory that every elf we meet is either an ancient elf or ancient elven god but personally I don't buy it. Considering how many years it's been since Trespasser and how many rewrites DA4 has apparently been through (I quote Weekes: "No plan ever survives contact with the audience.") it wouldn't surprise me if the plan has changed a little or if there has been a slight retcon even. When Gaider left Bioware he apparently gave Weekes some notes about what his plans for the future of Dragon Age was and Weekes said in that same interview I quoted earlier that he's going to put his own twist on it. Maybe more people chose the "redeem" option at the end of Trespasser than they anticipated or they simply didn't expect the character of Solas to be as popular as he is.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,664
gervaise21
10,783
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on Aug 18, 2021 21:00:57 GMT
When Gaider left Bioware he apparently gave Weekes some notes about what his plans for the future of Dragon Age was and Weekes said in that same interview I quoted earlier that he's going to put his own twist on it. Maybe more people chose the "redeem" option at the end of Trespasser than they anticipated or they simply didn't expect the character of Solas to be as popular as he is. I don't think Solas' popularity was unexpected considering the romance was deliberately included to make him a more sympathetic character than he was originally envisaged to be, which PW says was more in line with his reputation with the Dalish. So, not only was the alteration made presumably with the approval of DG as lead writer but in a way PW has already put his twist on the story by portraying Solas the way he has. I know fans have this theory that every elf we meet is either an ancient elf or ancient elven god but personally I don't buy it. Not true, so far as I am concerned. It is clear from the story in Tevinter Nights, Half Up Front, that Solas' agents have been actively trying to recruit modern elves to the cause and this was also confirmed by the epilogue to Trespasser that has elves disappearing across southern Thedas to join his cause. It is hardly likely that all these missing elves were reawakened ancient ones. Nevertheless, Solas definitely tells Abelas that there are other elves like him outside the Temple of Mythal. It is also clear there do seem to be those who were originally part of the Wolf Pack, as Felassan was and also the elves mentioned by the Carta Dwarf in Tevinter Nights that whilst superficially look like Dalish, don't sound like them and wear fancy armour and weapons as well. The reason I thought Charter could possibly be another member of the Wolf Pack are her rather obscure origins and, despite appearing to be an ordinary city elf, has for many years been a master of false identities. This would be in keeping with a member of the Wolf Pack moving around trying to gain whatever information was needed. Of course, what mitigates against this is that she obviously seems to have changed sides and that is not something that Solas takes kindly to, so if she were an ancient elf, she would have to be of another affiliation but, in that case, where are her vallaslin? So, on balance, it does seem she is just a very resourceful city elf, in which case perhaps I am right about reconnecting with the Fade will alter modern elves, restoring them to what they ought to be and thus so far removed from what they currently are that modern elves cease to exist. There is also the alternative explanation that Solas seems to be far more sympathetic towards city elves than he is the Dalish. May be the reason that Solas tells a Dalish Inquisitor that their people will not survive is because they are Dalish.
|
|
xerrai
N3
Posts: 842 Likes: 1,156
inherit
1451
0
Apr 25, 2024 23:56:30 GMT
1,156
xerrai
842
September 2016
xerrai
|
Post by xerrai on Aug 19, 2021 5:19:58 GMT
I’m certain that Solas has promised his followers that they will survive while the rest of Thedas dies. And perhaps he even means it. After all, the reborn elven civilization will need a new underclass of servants. Underclass of what? I know Solas is a bit--well, prideful--but even he should not expect things to by hunky dory in the immediate aftermath of his plan. The "upper class" of ancient elves will likely be scrounging for survival alongside the other elves that survived the ordeal. Nah. The other elves are going to be kept around mostly to pass on their survivalist skillset...and genes. No seriously, even if there are ancient elves in hiding their numbers are bound to be exceptionally limited. And keep in mind elves in modern Thedas are already debatably in the process of being bred out since only an elf x elf union results in an elf. By the time the modern elves pass on normally in Solas's new world (or by being killed by demons, infighting, and so on), the concept of drastically different social classes will barely be a thing. At best they'd be like Keepers, maintaining a higher status only by a communal respect of their ancient knowledge while still being beholden to the whims of a tribal society that needs to prioritize survival above all else. And do we (or Solas) really believe ancient elves will escape his new world unscathed? They can be killed through demons, infighting, and so on as well even with their ancient knowledge. It honestly seems like the ancient culture is going to be appropriated and assimilated by whichever elves are left alive to carry the next generations as they actually get to rebuilding the new elvhen empire. I certainly can't see Solas wanting to rebuilt the elvhen empire 1 for 1 given his previous efforts to dismantle a regime that apparently abused its lower classes. So Solas adding the modern elves into his plan could just be a means of hedging his bets and ensuring the actual longevity of 'his people' as a species while laying the groundwork in place to partially avoid the slavery system of ages past. (And there's also the possibility moderns elves, or at least their descendants, may very well become a part of "his people" since their conscious connection to the fade was likely restored. Although that distinction may not mean much to other ancient elves. Part of the old classist regime and all that....and also people in general can be di*ks.)
|
|
inherit
1439
0
Apr 19, 2024 21:21:07 GMT
12,447
witchcocktor
4,032
Sept 6, 2016 10:00:37 GMT
September 2016
witchcocktor
Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by witchcocktor on Aug 19, 2021 6:37:29 GMT
While I agree that it is very clear that Solas is implying a massive genocide of huge proportions, I also think that the writers can pull off a '' well actually what he meant was that society as we know it will crumble and some people will not like it :-) '' and I'm already expecting that to some degree. I’m certain that Solas has promised his followers that they will survive while the rest of Thedas dies. And perhaps he even means it. After all, the reborn elven civilization will need a new underclass of servants. Underclass of what? I know Solas is a bit--well, prideful--but even he should not expect things to by hunky dory in the immediate aftermath of his plan. The "upper class" of ancient elves will likely be scrounging for survival alongside the other elves that survived the ordeal. Nah. The other elves are going to be kept around mostly to pass on their survivalist skillset...and genes. No seriously, even if there are ancient elves in hiding their numbers are bound to be exceptionally limited. And keep in mind elves in modern Thedas are already debatably in the process of being bred out since only an elf x elf union results in an elf. By the time the modern elves pass on normally in Solas's new world (or by being killed by demons, infighting, and so on), the concept of drastically different social classes will barely be a thing. At best they'd be like Keepers, maintaining a higher status only by a communal respect of their ancient knowledge while still being beholden to the whims of a tribal society that needs to prioritize survival above all else. And do we (or Solas) really believe ancient elves will escape his new world unscathed? They can be killed through demons, infighting, and so on as well even with their ancient knowledge. It honestly seems like the ancient culture is going to be appropriated and assimilated by whichever elves are left alive to carry the next generations as they actually get to rebuilding the new elvhen empire. I certainly can't see Solas wanting to rebuilt the elvhen empire 1 for 1 given his previous efforts to dismantle a regime that apparently abused its lower classes. So Solas adding the modern elves into his plan could just be a means of hedging his bets and ensuring the actual longevity of 'his people' as a species while laying the groundwork in place to partially avoid the slavery system of ages past. (And there's also the possibility moderns elves, or at least their descendants, may very well become a part of "his people" since their conscious connection to the fade was likely restored. Although that distinction may not mean much to other ancient elves. Part of the old classist regime and all that....and also people in general can be di*ks.) Love this. Not only is Solas a turbo-racist, but he'll eventually become (if he already isn't) a turbo-sexist and turbo-homophobe as well as he forces unwilling women and homosexuals to continue his precious race! Wonder how Solas fans will defend him them. (I'm obviously joking. Kind of.)
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,664
gervaise21
10,783
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2021 8:37:27 GMT
Nah. The other elves are going to be kept around mostly to pass on their survivalist skillset...and genes. No seriously, even if there are ancient elves in hiding their numbers are bound to be exceptionally limited. So Solas adding the modern elves into his plan could just be a means of hedging his bets and ensuring the actual longevity of 'his people' as a species while laying the groundwork in place to partially avoid the slavery system of ages past. Whilst numbers of ancient elves are likely to be limited, it should be remembered that restoring their magic also means restoring their immortality. If you live forever, outside of accident, war or disease, then the need to procreate isn't quite so imperative. You can certainly afford to take your time. If I recall correctly, the reason we were originally told for Uthenra was that the elders tired of life and also wished to make space for a new generation. If you keep on having babies, yet there are no corresponding deaths taking place, the world is eventually going to reach breaking point for the number it can sustain. From this PoV you could argue that Falon'Din was just exercising population control (joking). However, it always struck me as odd why you would need a god of the dead for a race that was immortal. Apparently they had no disease (until Andruil went hunting where she shouldn't) and probably not a great many accidental deaths, so really warfare was the only way he could make himself relevant. Essentially the ancient elves were different. So different that neither Solas nor Abelas recognise modern elves are their People. Physically they aren't so different so clearly there must be some spiritual significance as well. Solas certainly seemed to be closer to spirits than modern elves. Bearing in mind that the elves were likely originally spirits that crossed into the Waking World and took on material forms, the easiest way to repopulate his new world would be to encourage his current spirit friends to do the same. From what I recall of his words, it was the "world of the elves" he wanted to restore as much of the elves themselves and really we never established who exactly he considered "his People" but a world without the Veil was necessary to their existence.
|
|
inherit
1363
0
Dec 31, 2021 19:39:42 GMT
1,233
garrusfan1
1,826
Aug 30, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
August 2016
garrusfan1
|
Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 19, 2021 12:13:16 GMT
While I agree that it is very clear that Solas is implying a massive genocide of huge proportions, I also think that the writers can pull off a '' well actually what he meant was that society as we know it will crumble and some people will not like it :-) '' and I'm already expecting that to some degree. Underclass of what? I know Solas is a bit--well, prideful--but even he should not expect things to by hunky dory in the immediate aftermath of his plan. The "upper class" of ancient elves will likely be scrounging for survival alongside the other elves that survived the ordeal. Nah. The other elves are going to be kept around mostly to pass on their survivalist skillset...and genes. No seriously, even if there are ancient elves in hiding their numbers are bound to be exceptionally limited. And keep in mind elves in modern Thedas are already debatably in the process of being bred out since only an elf x elf union results in an elf. By the time the modern elves pass on normally in Solas's new world (or by being killed by demons, infighting, and so on), the concept of drastically different social classes will barely be a thing. At best they'd be like Keepers, maintaining a higher status only by a communal respect of their ancient knowledge while still being beholden to the whims of a tribal society that needs to prioritize survival above all else. And do we (or Solas) really believe ancient elves will escape his new world unscathed? They can be killed through demons, infighting, and so on as well even with their ancient knowledge. It honestly seems like the ancient culture is going to be appropriated and assimilated by whichever elves are left alive to carry the next generations as they actually get to rebuilding the new elvhen empire. I certainly can't see Solas wanting to rebuilt the elvhen empire 1 for 1 given his previous efforts to dismantle a regime that apparently abused its lower classes. So Solas adding the modern elves into his plan could just be a means of hedging his bets and ensuring the actual longevity of 'his people' as a species while laying the groundwork in place to partially avoid the slavery system of ages past. (And there's also the possibility moderns elves, or at least their descendants, may very well become a part of "his people" since their conscious connection to the fade was likely restored. Although that distinction may not mean much to other ancient elves. Part of the old classist regime and all that....and also people in general can be di*ks.) Love this. Not only is Solas a turbo-racist, but he'll eventually become (if he already isn't) a turbo-sexist and turbo-homophobe as well as he forces unwilling women and homosexuals to continue his precious race! Wonder how Solas fans will defend him them. (I'm obviously joking. Kind of.) That's what I thought he meant to some degree. Alot of people will die and the old worlds systems will utterly collapse but not that every last person will die that isn't an elf.
|
|
inherit
11247
0
1,639
Buckeldemon
Now stealin' more kidz.
1,200
July 2019
buckeldemon
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 19, 2021 15:55:12 GMT
Whilst numbers of ancient elves are likely to be limited, it should be remembered that restoring their magic also means restoring their immortality. If you live forever, outside of accident, war or disease, then the need to procreate isn't quite so imperative. You can certainly afford to take your time. I guess it could depend a bit on the numbers here. Yes, there's this "magic genes" ... thing, but until it is elaborated upon on how this affects potential issues with incest, I'm going to assume that it could be a thing.
|
|
yarus
N1
Posts: 48 Likes: 55
inherit
11563
0
55
yarus
48
June 2020
yarus
|
Post by yarus on Aug 19, 2021 16:39:43 GMT
That's what I thought he meant to some degree. Alot of people will die and the old worlds systems will utterly collapse but not that every last person will die that isn't an elf. Removing the Veil in Thedas is equivalent to removing Earth's magnetic field or detonating a nuke to facilitate the return of some old slumbering horrors like the Yith. Even if you assume that 1% of the population, somehow/someway, survives the immediate aftermath ----- they're going to get enslaved the new dominant race. Felassan explains to Briala---- in no uncertain terms --- that the rose colored view of the ancient elves is wrong. They were an empire no different than Tevinter, only with magical atrocities far more terrifying (if Tevinter Nights/Horrors of Hormak is any indication). I fully expect Solas to use his followers as sacrificial lambs.
|
|
inherit
1363
0
Dec 31, 2021 19:39:42 GMT
1,233
garrusfan1
1,826
Aug 30, 2016 16:55:35 GMT
August 2016
garrusfan1
|
Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 19, 2021 20:22:52 GMT
That's what I thought he meant to some degree. Alot of people will die and the old worlds systems will utterly collapse but not that every last person will die that isn't an elf. Removing the Veil in Thedas is equivalent to removing Earth's magnetic field or detonating a nuke to facilitate the return of some old slumbering horrors like the Yith. Even if you assume that 1% of the population, somehow/someway, survives the immediate aftermath ----- they're going to get enslaved the new dominant race. Felassan explains to Briala---- in no uncertain terms --- that the rose colored view of the ancient elves is wrong. They were an empire no different than Tevinter, only with magical atrocities far more terrifying (if Tevinter Nights/Horrors of Hormak is any indication). I fully expect Solas to use his followers as sacrificial lambs. I doubt he wants to rebuild slavery but sacrificing his people, oh yes I can see that.
|
|
fairdragon
N3
Games: Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
Posts: 920 Likes: 382
inherit
11611
0
Apr 25, 2024 13:49:20 GMT
382
fairdragon
920
Jul 30, 2020 17:14:13 GMT
July 2020
fairdragon
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
|
Post by fairdragon on Aug 20, 2021 6:35:54 GMT
Patrick Weekes say in an interview: We played it so close with both Blackwall and Solas - both characters are the liars who don’t actually lie. They will tell you almost truths. With Solas it’s the same way with the hand wave of ‘in the Fade’. I would start putting ‘in the Fade’ at the end of a lot of sentences. “Yeah turns out that all of the stuff you thought was true in history was wrong… because I saw it…. in the Fade.” this character who is intelligent, wise… Solas will think very carefully before he tells you anything and anything he tells you is exactly as much as he wants you to know.
So this is his character.
If he don't actually lie. All we hear from him is in the right light true. So we have to interpret his words.
Rebuild slavery. (No). Sacrificing people. (yes). Want revenge. (yes) his exact plan? (we don't know, but he told us)
I think there is more, but i doesn't see it.
|
|