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Post by lordmoral on Oct 9, 2021 23:28:13 GMT
That would answer why the Alliance Brass was so idiotic as to only bring Shepard to trial after 6 months of lockup,which is one reason I couldn't trust Hackett after ME3 but I still play along because it is better to keep enemies closer than afar now, that sorta answers why he didn't wanted a bunch of mercs and unstable individuals in the same operation rescuing Kenson. They didn’t bring Shepard to trial after six months. They brought them in to act as an advisor when the Reapers began attacking. And then they begged him/her to tell them how to stop the Reapers like, are you kidding me? You spent 3 years ignoring this and torpedoing any other investigation and then you lock me for 6 months after I sacrificed my morals and 300K beings lives just to slow them down and that I had to work for the extremists of Cerberus because none of you wanted to help just to stop the Collectors? Having brought Shepard and Williams (in my case), as advisors just when the Reapers are punching everything in their path is the most sleeper agent thing to do heck, that Sovering Class Reaper blast almost took out Shepard when he shot the very same room we were with Anderson. I love it when Anderson says: "The Moon? They can't have punched through,..." and one of the Admirals is: "How did they get pass our defenses?" Didn't you saw the videos of Sovering in the Battle of the Citadel, who wrote that scene to make the 3rd game in a trilogy more appealing to new players who other than the promotional videos haven't seen the Reapers?
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That would answer why the Alliance Brass was so idiotic as to only bring Shepard to trial after 6 months of lockup,which is one reason I couldn't trust Hackett after ME3 but I still play along because it is better to keep enemies closer than afar now, that sorta answers why he didn't wanted a bunch of mercs and unstable individuals in the same operation rescuing Kenson. They didn’t bring Shepard to trial after six months. They brought them in to act as an advisor when the Reapers began attacking. Why didn't the circus of clowns ask Shepard for advice during lockup instead of waiting at the last moment? Look how stupid they are when answering Shepard when he/she asks what the situation is. They say we were hoping you would tell us. **** the Alliance. What did they do for 2 years while Shepard was dead? Remember what king clown Anderson said in ME2? It's up to Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers. Then turns around in ME3 at the beginning asking for Shepard's help to find a way to stop the reapers. He never cared. The circus of clowns never cared. Like I keep saying, **** the Alliance especially the leadership.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 10, 2021 3:32:48 GMT
Yes, the Alliance was very incompetent. They had three years to search known Prothean planets for lost tech. They had three years to study Sovereigns remains. They had three years to prepare earth and it's colonies. The Alliance wasn't alone in this, the Council also messed up by ignoring Shepard's warnings too. They both dropped the ball and did nothing but just sit on their thumbs.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 10, 2021 14:36:16 GMT
Yes, the Alliance was very incompetent. They had three years to search known Prothean planets for lost tech. They had three years to study Sovereigns remains. They had three years to prepare earth and it's colonies. The Alliance wasn't alone in this, the Council also messed up by ignoring Shepard's warnings too. They both dropped the ball and did nothing but just sit on their thumbs. Oh they did something alright: help the Andromeda Initiative (look how many Alliance veterans there are as well members from the other militaries) while telling Shepard he was a liar and a lunatic.
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I'd want (and expect) a new protagonist. Shepard is considerd to be a closed book. and Andromeda had enough of a critical and popular backlash that Ryder as protoganist will be extremely unlikely.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 10, 2021 19:36:43 GMT
Yes, the Alliance was very incompetent. They had three years to search known Prothean planets for lost tech. They had three years to study Sovereigns remains. They had three years to prepare earth and it's colonies. The Alliance wasn't alone in this, the Council also messed up by ignoring Shepard's warnings too. They both dropped the ball and did nothing but just sit on their thumbs. Oh they did something alright: help the Andromeda Initiative (look how many Alliance veterans there are as well members from the other militaries) while telling Shepard he was a liar and a lunatic. Well I did not know that I just started playing Andromeda 2 weeks ago. But I figured the Andromeda Initiative was created during or after the Reaper invasion.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 10, 2021 20:28:37 GMT
Well I did not know that I just started playing Andromeda 2 weeks ago. But I figured the Andromeda Initiative was created during or after the Reaper invasion. According to in game information the game intro takes place after Shepard takes out the Collectors (makes sense so as to avoid an incident) while Ark 5 leaves Batarian space as the Reapers are invading (you will need to check the DLC turned novel based on the ship), keep playing as there are a few surprises but focus on the SAM memory triggers.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 10, 2021 21:01:13 GMT
Well I did not know that I just started playing Andromeda 2 weeks ago. But I figured the Andromeda Initiative was created during or after the Reaper invasion. According to in game information the game intro takes place after Shepard takes out the Collectors (makes sense so as to avoid an incident) while Ark 5 leaves Batarian space as the Reapers are invading (you will need to check the DLC turned novel based on the ship), keep playing as there are a few surprises but focus on the SAM memory triggers. I did not know that. Then why did the Council not acknowledge Shepards warnings when he was present? But I will keep playing Andromeda. I am still exploring Voeld.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 10, 2021 21:09:28 GMT
According to in game information the game intro takes place after Shepard takes out the Collectors (makes sense so as to avoid an incident) while Ark 5 leaves Batarian space as the Reapers are invading (you will need to check the DLC turned novel based on the ship), keep playing as there are a few surprises but focus on the SAM memory triggers. I did not know that. Then why did the Council not acknowledge Shepards warnings when he was present? But I will keep playing Andromeda. I am still exploring Voeld. The answer to that question will rob you of a big moment and why I constantly rag on the Council and the Alliance leadership for treating Shepard as a tool from ME1-ME3, we are their agents but it still wasn't cool, and for how Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making the AI move so many promotional material that somehow escaped Shepard attention. They should have used the opportunity provided by the LE to incorporate some aspects related to Andromeda but they didn't.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 10, 2021 21:33:44 GMT
I did not know that. Then why did the Council not acknowledge Shepards warnings when he was present? But I will keep playing Andromeda. I am still exploring Voeld. The answer to that question will rob you of a big moment and why I constantly rag on the Council and the Alliance leadership for treating Shepard as a tool from ME1-ME3, we are their agents but it still wasn't cool, and for how Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making the AI move so many promotional material that somehow escaped Shepard attention. They should have used the opportunity provided by the LE to incorporate some aspects related to Andromeda but they didn't. Alright I'll just keep playing Andromeda. While I only played the LE version they should have added some hints as to what the Council was planning. Or at least tell Shepard what they were planning. I am sure Shepard would have approved of their plan. But I guess the Council figured if they told Shepard and he was caught he might reveal their plans under torture? Anyway thank you for the info. I'll be playing Andromeda tonight.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 10, 2021 22:23:56 GMT
The answer to that question will rob you of a big moment and why I constantly rag on the Council and the Alliance leadership for treating Shepard as a tool from ME1-ME3, we are their agents but it still wasn't cool, and for how Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making the AI move so many promotional material that somehow escaped Shepard attention. They should have used the opportunity provided by the LE to incorporate some aspects related to Andromeda but they didn't. Alright I'll just keep playing Andromeda. While I only played the LE version they should have added some hints as to what the Council was planning. Or at least tell Shepard what they were planning. I am sure Shepard would have approved of their plan. But I guess the Council figured if they told Shepard and he was caught he might reveal their plans under torture? Anyway thank you for the info. I'll be playing Andromeda tonight. If you played Citadel DLC you will notice how the Council made the entry about the Battle of the Citadel in the Vault only accessible by having Spectre credentials, the hologram is already in a "For your eyes only" yet they lock some of these documents further. I am so sad that Glyph kept to himself the other entries and items to himself.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2021 0:09:35 GMT
The answer to that question will rob you of a big moment and why I constantly rag on the Council and the Alliance leadership for treating Shepard as a tool from ME1-ME3, we are their agents but it still wasn't cool, and for how Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making the AI move so many promotional material that somehow escaped Shepard attention. They should have used the opportunity provided by the LE to incorporate some aspects related to Andromeda but they didn't. Alright I'll just keep playing Andromeda. While I only played the LE version they should have added some hints as to what the Council was planning. Or at least tell Shepard what they were planning. I am sure Shepard would have approved of their plan. But I guess the Council figured if they told Shepard and he was caught he might reveal their plans under torture? Anyway thank you for the info. I'll be playing Andromeda tonight. The Andromeda Initiative is a private venture, not a Council one. It also had nothing to do with escaping the Reapers, as it began 8 years before ME1. It took 10 years to complete, leaving between ME2 and ME3.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 11, 2021 0:38:42 GMT
Alright I'll just keep playing Andromeda. While I only played the LE version they should have added some hints as to what the Council was planning. Or at least tell Shepard what they were planning. I am sure Shepard would have approved of their plan. But I guess the Council figured if they told Shepard and he was caught he might reveal their plans under torture? Anyway thank you for the info. I'll be playing Andromeda tonight. If you played Citadel DLC you will notice how the Council made the entry about the Battle of the Citadel in the Vault only accessible by having Spectre credentials, the hologram is already in a "For your eyes only" yet they lock some of these documents further. I am so sad that Glyph kept to himself the other entries and items to himself. Is that the Vault with human hologram being interrogated by a Turian hologram during the First Contact War? If so next time I'll take my time when in there.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 11, 2021 0:41:32 GMT
Alright I'll just keep playing Andromeda. While I only played the LE version they should have added some hints as to what the Council was planning. Or at least tell Shepard what they were planning. I am sure Shepard would have approved of their plan. But I guess the Council figured if they told Shepard and he was caught he might reveal their plans under torture? Anyway thank you for the info. I'll be playing Andromeda tonight. The Andromeda Initiative is a private venture, not a Council one. It also had nothing to do with escaping the Reapers, as it began 8 years before ME1. It took 10 years to complete, leaving between ME2 and ME3. Oh I thought the Andromeda Initiative was in response to the Reaper threat. Like for example the Council wanting to populate another galaxy with Milky Way species in case the Reapers complete their goals.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 11, 2021 1:23:27 GMT
The Andromeda Initiative is a private venture, not a Council one. It also had nothing to do with escaping the Reapers, as it began 8 years before ME1. It took 10 years to complete, leaving between ME2 and ME3. Oh I thought the Andromeda Initiative was in response to the Reaper threat. Like for example the Council wanting to populate another galaxy with Milky Way species in case the Reapers complete their goals. Nope. Jien Garson who founded it and pretty much everyone who signed on are doing it for the sake to explore (as well as personal reasons for each individual). MEA spoilers: There is a Mysterious Benefactor who helped fund it to escape the Reapers(though it seems they might not have known of them specifically but just something was going to happen) but only Jien and Alec knew of them.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 11, 2021 3:30:57 GMT
Oh I thought the Andromeda Initiative was in response to the Reaper threat. Like for example the Council wanting to populate another galaxy with Milky Way species in case the Reapers complete their goals. Nope. Jien Garson who founded it and pretty much everyone who signed on are doing it for the sake to explore (as well as personal reasons for each individual). MEA spoilers: There is a Mysterious Benefactor who helped fund it to escape the Reapers(though it seems they might not have known of them specifically but just something was going to happen) but only Jien and Alec knew of them. I did not read the spoiler but I do know who the founder was. That's why I like the idea of the Andromeda Initiative they're explorers.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 11, 2021 4:46:44 GMT
If you played Citadel DLC you will notice how the Council made the entry about the Battle of the Citadel in the Vault only accessible by having Spectre credentials, the hologram is already in a "For your eyes only" yet they lock some of these documents further. I am so sad that Glyph kept to himself the other entries and items to himself. Is that the Vault with human hologram being interrogated by a Turian hologram during the First Contact War? If so next time I'll take my time when in there. Yeah, one of the holograms is of the Battle of the Citadel, the scanner can pick Shepard and A/K if you have them with you at that time.
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Post by talyn82 on Oct 11, 2021 5:49:26 GMT
Is that the Vault with human hologram being interrogated by a Turian hologram during the First Contact War? If so next time I'll take my time when in there. Yeah, one of the holograms is of the Battle of the Citadel, the scanner can pick Shepard and A/K if you have them with you at that time. Thanks for the help.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 11, 2021 13:45:29 GMT
Yeah, one of the holograms is of the Battle of the Citadel, the scanner can pick Shepard and A/K if you have them with you at that time. Thanks for the help. No problem and happy gaming.
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This is not a defense of IT like it might seem. In the above, it's Liara who is indoctrinated while Shepard is simply being influenced. I could swallow this sort of IT. I would say she was indoctrinated by the mind meld she did with Shepard in ME1. Look at Shiala in ME2, if she survives ME1? She reaches out to Shepard on Illium hoping for more. Take away the mind meld, would t'soni have done what she did? Yes, the Alliance was very incompetent. They had three years to search known Prothean planets for lost tech. They had three years to study Sovereigns remains. They had three years to prepare earth and it's colonies. The Alliance wasn't alone in this, the Council also messed up by ignoring Shepard's warnings too. They both dropped the ball and did nothing but just sit on their thumbs. The council I'm not concerned about. I understand why they did what they did at the beginning in ME1, and in ME3 when Shepard sees them after Mars. It still falls back to the Alliance, and Shepard. At least in ME1. The one thing that didn't help was the clown calling himself Anderson when mentioning Shepard's visions. Did he really expect the council to believe that crap? The council wanted evidence. The only evidence was a audio file. Sure it got Saren on the bad list, but why didn't anyone present the vid that was seen of Eden Prime being attacked before arriving showing Sovereign. Of course no one knew it was Sovereign at the time, but it could get the council to at least investigate their records to know if a ship like that has existed. Why wasn't the conversation recorded between Sovereign and Shepard on Virmire? In ME1, it's more Shepard and the Alliance not putting forth much of an effort to provide evidence. With Ilos, had the conversation been recorded, that could have made a difference. Of course, that would only happen after Saren is stopped. In ME2, the circus of clowns proved why they are useless. Did they make any effort to locate the remains of the SR1? I would say no since another group was able to find Shepard's corpse leaving behind the helmet for whatever reason. If they were able to locate Shepard's remains, why couldn't the Alliance? Did they lack the technology? The skill? Or was it the I don't care attitude? I would say yes to the I don't care attitude. Anderscum did say it was up to Shepard to find a way to stop the reapers. This is the same guy who says I believe you, I trust you. Yeah right. **** you dingle berry. It also makes it worse if the guy is made councilor. Basically what he did for 2 years was sit around taking the shape of his chair. ME3 happens, I give the Alliance a pat on the back for being the one's to lead the construction of the device that no one knows what it will do, but that's it. They pulled the I don't care attitude card again by not having Shepard look for clues to stopping the reapers for 6 months. I don't give a crap about the lame excuse for having him/her locked up. It's just another reason how pathetic the Alliance really is. As much as I don't care about the council, I put nearly all the blame on the Alliance. The Alliance needs new leadership. Had the Alliance been better, would it have stopped the reapers? No. If anything, they may have been better prepared.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Oct 12, 2021 19:47:07 GMT
I did not know that. Then why did the Council not acknowledge Shepards warnings when he was present? But I will keep playing Andromeda. I am still exploring Voeld. The answer to that question will rob you of a big moment and why I constantly rag on the Council and the Alliance leadership for treating Shepard as a tool from ME1-ME3, we are their agents but it still wasn't cool, and for how Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making the AI move so many promotional material that somehow escaped Shepard attention. They should have used the opportunity provided by the LE to incorporate some aspects related to Andromeda but they didn't.
One of the best and worst things that the writers was to make the Council and the Alliance complete assholes and incompetent fools in ME1. The Council (especially the turian) was such a jackass that it's tempting not to save the Council just out of spite. Hacket has a whole a damn army at his call and every time he needs Shepard to stop a rouge VI on the moon, stop a pirate gang from setting off a nuke, save a politician from terrorists, save a research base from terrorists, kill a warlord that the Alliance was dealing with before he exposes them, investigate and stop various Cerberus operations, and so on. Is the rest of the Alliance on vacation or something? Shepard is supposed to be saving the galaxy from Saren, the geth, and the Reapers not saving everybody in the galaxy that another strike team could handle.
It's good that they showed that their galaxy is very messy and flawed. It's bad because after I think about this for a while I'm not sure I want to save this universe because in many ways it appears not to be worth saving. Now in MEA I don't have that problem the Nexus staff are very flawed Tann in particular but it's because he didn't think he would get to be head of the A.I. even Addison is at least willing to admit that she makes mistakes and then tries her best to correct them. Simply put I like the Nexus Staff (even Tann and Addison) and thus want to save them. After a while I'm not sure that the Council, The Alliance, and the various governments in the MWG and their people are worth saving.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 12, 2021 21:11:07 GMT
The answer to that question will rob you of a big moment and why I constantly rag on the Council and the Alliance leadership for treating Shepard as a tool from ME1-ME3, we are their agents but it still wasn't cool, and for how Bioware shot themselves in the foot by making the AI move so many promotional material that somehow escaped Shepard attention. They should have used the opportunity provided by the LE to incorporate some aspects related to Andromeda but they didn't.
One of the best and worst things that the writers was to make the Council and the Alliance complete assholes and incompetent fools in ME1. The Council (especially the turian) was such a jackass that it's tempting not to save the Council just out of spite. Hacket has a whole a damn army at his call and every time he needs Shepard to stop a rouge VI on the moon, stop a pirate gang from setting off a nuke, save a politician from terrorists, save a research base from terrorists, kill a warlord that the Alliance was dealing with before he exposes them, investigate and stop various Cerberus operations, and so on. Is the rest of the Alliance on vacation or something? Shepard is supposed to be saving the galaxy from Saren, the geth, and the Reapers not saving everybody in the galaxy that another strike team could handle.
It's good that they showed that their galaxy is very messy and flawed. It's bad because after I think about this for a while I'm not sure I want to save this universe because in many ways it appears not to be worth saving. Now in MEA I don't have that problem the Nexus staff are very flawed Tann in particular but it's because he didn't think he would get to be head of the A.I. even Addison is at least willing to admit that she makes mistakes and then tries her best to correct them. Simply put I like the Nexus Staff (even Tann and Addison) and thus want to save them. After a while I'm not sure that the Council, The Alliance, and the various governments in the MWG and their people are worth saving.
Those jobs for Hackett in ME1 were sensitive and as such they needed Shepard Spectre cover.
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Post by Sonya on Oct 13, 2021 9:12:10 GMT
Those jobs for Hackett in ME1 were sensitive and as such they needed Shepard Spectre cover. Otherwise the rest of the galaxy would have known about the probe lost ages ago that could start a war, or about the rogue VI, or how Alliance handles warlord-situation. Without Shepard spectre cover, humanity is just doomed. How convenient for the Alliance to have a Spectre. It does not matter other races have their own agendas: damn asari is a good example and we, according to the game, should feel sorry for not 'saving" some Thessia. All of a sudden nothing else matters and those sensitive operations were pointless. Where is that slide showing how the asari are sentenced to death for covering up impotant information that cost, probably, so many lives?
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 13, 2021 12:00:59 GMT
Those jobs for Hackett in ME1 were sensitive and as such they needed Shepard Spectre cover. Otherwise the rest of the galaxy would have known about the probe lost ages ago that could start a war, or about the rogue VI, or how Alliance handles warlord-situation. Without Shepard spectre cover, humanity is just doomed. How convenient for the Alliance to have a Spectre. It does not matter other races have their own agendas: damn asari is a good example and we, according to the game, should feel sorry for not 'saving" some Thessia. All of a sudden nothing else matters and those sensitive operations were pointless. Where is that slide showing how the asari are sentenced to death for covering up impotant information that cost, probably, so many lives? And if you remember in ME2 they used the VS as much as Cerberus to determine Shepard allegiances on top of what Anderson told us, by ME2 Arrival Shepard literally was tore up for what he had to do as a "favor" to Hackett after the mission went to h--- and back as for the Asari well, it is not just the Artifact but how they backed off from participating in the War Summit because of too much bad blood with the Krogan, they likely were afraid that the news of the Artifact came about. Going back to the time of ME2, did you know that off screen the System Alliance developed an antidote for the Collectors Swarms sting but chose not to tell Shepard even as they had to deal with a Cerberus operative who was indeed working for the Collectors? That helps explains why A/K survived the attack on Horizon and while James Vega tells you about the story he neglects to mention the development of said antidote so James, I like you buddy but F-- You as well Anderson and Hackett.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 17:46:37 GMT
Those jobs for Hackett in ME1 were sensitive and as such they needed Shepard Spectre cover. To a degree, the Normandy arguably plays an even larger role as it's the alliance's only stealth vessel at that time, and it being one of the fastest ships in existence. That last point I feel doesn't get emphasized too often but it very important in Mass Effect's narrative as the normandy's speed allows to appear prety much everywere across the galaxy without having to account for the time travelled (well, that and the Mass Relay's). And yes I get the irony of 'me', of all people, praising the Normandy. But... it's hardly implausible that a generic Alliance special forces unit on a a generic frigate couldn't complete Hacket's errands successfully, it's not as though most UNC quest require Shepard to perform execeptional feats, narratively speaking. As a side note I do wish there were more quests in ME1/ME3 were Shepard fight's alongside fellow Alliance Marines, as it stands, the only time this happen is on at Listening Post Alpha on Nepmos.
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