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Post by GalentheYounger on Dec 2, 2022 0:23:18 GMT
If there was any justice in this world than Ryder would be back as the lead protagonist it's the best for the series to move forward, there is a ton of story potential and Ryder doesn't have 1/1000th of the baggage that Shepard has.
Since there isn't I'll get probably get stuck with Shepard again (or a Shepard 2.0 type character) and then I have to put up with garbage like "Woke BioWare ruined Shepard!" in my YouTube recommendations and also threads here and elsewhere, then quickly followed by the typical " MEA was a actually great game and is better than ME5" vids and threads, it happens all the time with every other game franchise BioWare has made sequels too. I would rather leave my Jaal romance in the Andromeda galaxy, LOL.
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Post by hulluliini on Dec 2, 2022 8:47:53 GMT
Right now I simply don't trust that Bioware can create a good new setting within the Mass Effect universe. You set a milky way game 600 years in the future and it will probably be just as trash as Andromeda - and there goes the milky way. New protagonist or not I believe the next game' has to have heavy links to the trilogy. It's why I always advocate for a prequel because you already have this great setting to play around with that is untainted by Andromeda, or the endings.
I would rather see a direct sequel to MEA because it's got more untapped storytelling potential than a prequel or sequel set in the MWG will ever have.
It would have been cool if Andromeda hadn't been a Mass Effect game. Completely new lore, a new beginning for a whole new IP.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 2, 2022 12:32:18 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Dec 2, 2022 13:22:10 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME. Good news! This forum does not have COVID today, because boy are we NEGATIVE out here!
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 2, 2022 15:23:22 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME. You can thank Hudson and Walters for putting the franchise on the path it is on.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2022 16:24:49 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME. Totally agree. Starfield just looks like something I can get behind. Bethesda knows what they're good at and sticks to it, and that new persuasion dialogue mini-game looks so good. The only hope ME has is Mary DeMarle. I'm only holding out hope, because I know she can write. I've played Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Mankind Divided, and Guardian's of the Galaxy, which was superb. Personally, I think she is the only bright spot BW has. I'm not even interested in what DA is going to do, because I feel DA hasn't been good since Origins and they don't have a good writer on board. David Gaider is gone, and with him was the soul of DA. So I'm very skeptical of the new DA.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 2, 2022 16:51:43 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME. Totally agree. Starfield just looks like something I can get behind. Bethesda knows what they're good at and sticks to it, and that new persuasion dialogue mini-game looks so good. The only hope ME has is Mary DeMarle. I'm only holding out hope, because I know she can write. I've played Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Mankind Divided, and Guardian's of the Galaxy, which was superb. Personally, I think she is the only bright spot BW has. I'm not even interested in what DA is going to do, because I feel DA hasn't been good since Origins and they don't have a good writer on board. David Gaider is gone, and with him was the soul of DA. So I'm very skeptical of the new DA. She has her work cut out for her. Fixing the mess that is ME3 and MEA could be more than she can handle. But we'll see if she can handle it.
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Post by 10k on Dec 2, 2022 17:24:16 GMT
Totally agree. Starfield just looks like something I can get behind. Bethesda knows what they're good at and sticks to it, and that new persuasion dialogue mini-game looks so good. The only hope ME has is Mary DeMarle. I'm only holding out hope, because I know she can write. I've played Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Mankind Divided, and Guardian's of the Galaxy, which was superb. Personally, I think she is the only bright spot BW has. I'm not even interested in what DA is going to do, because I feel DA hasn't been good since Origins and they don't have a good writer on board. David Gaider is gone, and with him was the soul of DA. So I'm very skeptical of the new DA. She has her work cut out for her. Fixing the mess that is ME3 and MEA could be more than she can handle. But we'll see if she can handle it. No doubt. But I think, as much as it pains me, the more they can distance themselves from Shep and the trilogy. The better off her writing will be for it. A new protagonist could probably pull it off, as long as they're not another Ryder.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Dec 2, 2022 17:45:21 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience Because players can only ever like one game? Plus Starfield will have been out a couple of years by the time of ME5.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 21, 2022 22:15:49 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME.
That is saying I can't like Star Wars because I like Star Trek or I because I like Marvel I can't like DC, which is 100% nonsense unless you're into the corporate tribalism bullshit.
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Post by ClarkKent on Dec 23, 2022 13:09:24 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME. Assuming Will Continue isn't trash I can imagine Starfield and Mass Effect having a mutually beneficial relationship. The Sci Fi AAA RPG market isn't exactly an over saturated market and both games will create an audience that can be drawn from mutually. ME:NEXT just has to not be trash.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 23, 2022 17:29:33 GMT
The franchise is done for. It'll have to compete against Starfield and vie for new audience - I doubt BW can pull it off. DA maybe, but not ME. Assuming Will Continue isn't trash I can imagine Starfield and Mass Effect having a mutually beneficial relationship. The Sci Fi AAA RPG market isn't exactly an over saturated market and both games will create an audience that can be drawn from mutually. ME:NEXT just has to not be trash. Good point, I seriously doubt BW has the capability of pulling off a flagship release but in the wake of a (anticipatedly) popular game it might get enough audience. Is there enough creatice brainpower, however. The last games werent really beacons of writing and story-telling.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 23, 2022 20:24:47 GMT
Assuming Will Continue isn't trash I can imagine Starfield and Mass Effect having a mutually beneficial relationship. The Sci Fi AAA RPG market isn't exactly an over saturated market and both games will create an audience that can be drawn from mutually. ME:NEXT just has to not be trash. Good point, I seriously doubt BW has the capability of pulling off a flagship release but in the wake of a (anticipatedly) popular game it might get enough audience. Is there enough creatice brainpower, however. The last games werent really beacons of writing and story-telling.
Why do you think Starfield will be better written than ME5? Bethesda Games are not known for high quality writing, hell they tend to be rather basic plots and lackluster characters. They get by basically on huge open worlds, player made mods, and over hype. That is not to say that their writing is bad but worst it's just window dressing and best it's just average. BioWare's storytelling still beats Bethesda by considerable margin.
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Post by hulluliini on Dec 24, 2022 10:54:50 GMT
Assuming Will Continue isn't trash I can imagine Starfield and Mass Effect having a mutually beneficial relationship. The Sci Fi AAA RPG market isn't exactly an over saturated market and both games will create an audience that can be drawn from mutually. ME:NEXT just has to not be trash. Good point, I seriously doubt BW has the capability of pulling off a flagship release but in the wake of a (anticipatedly) popular game it might get enough audience. Is there enough creatice brainpower, however. The last games werent really beacons of writing and story-telling. What is a flagship release?
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 29, 2022 13:24:20 GMT
Good point, I seriously doubt BW has the capability of pulling off a flagship release but in the wake of a (anticipatedly) popular game it might get enough audience. Is there enough creatice brainpower, however. The last games werent really beacons of writing and story-telling.
Why do you think Starfield will be better written than ME5? Bethesda Games are not known for high quality writing, hell they tend to be rather basic plots and lackluster characters. They get by basically on huge open worlds, player made mods, and over hype. That is not to say that their writing is bad but worst it's just window dressing and best it's just average. BioWare's storytelling still beats Bethesda by considerable margin.
Well, that's the point, isnt, it? Bethesda open worlds just work by themselves and Bioware can write all they want, but their open worlds just dont work. They just make big maps, but fail to create the world. Then sprinkle it with fetch quests and that's about it. They probably should size down, give up triple A ambition and do something good with less graphics fidelity, but since it's an EA minion it wont happen. They are going the way if the dodo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:12:51 GMT
Why do you think Starfield will be better written than ME5? Bethesda Games are not known for high quality writing, hell they tend to be rather basic plots and lackluster characters. They get by basically on huge open worlds, player made mods, and over hype. That is not to say that their writing is bad but worst it's just window dressing and best it's just average. BioWare's storytelling still beats Bethesda by considerable margin.
Well, that's the point, isnt, it? Bethesda open worlds just work by themselves and Bioware can write all they want, but their open worlds just dont work. They just make big maps, but fail to create the world. Then sprinkle it with fetch quests and that's about it. They probably should size down, give up triple A ambition and do something good with less graphics fidelity, but since it's an EA minion it wont happen. They are going the way if the dodo. Lol. Sure. Bethesda open worlds just work, this is a laugh riot. Always in motion, the future is. You may be right, you may be hilariously wrong. I am going to go with hilariously wrong.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 29, 2022 16:24:04 GMT
Well, that's the point, isnt, it? Bethesda open worlds just work by themselves and Bioware can write all they want, but their open worlds just dont work. They just make big maps, but fail to create the world. Then sprinkle it with fetch quests and that's about it. They probably should size down, give up triple A ambition and do something good with less graphics fidelity, but since it's an EA minion it wont happen. They are going the way if the dodo. Lol. Sure. Bethesda open worlds just work, this is a laugh riot. Always in motion, the future is. You may be right, you may be hilariously wrong. I am going to go with hilariously wrong. I dont win anything by being right. And if I'm 'hilariously' wrong that'd mean a somewhat good game maybe which would be nice, but that's unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 19:16:36 GMT
Lol. Sure. Bethesda open worlds just work, this is a laugh riot. Always in motion, the future is. You may be right, you may be hilariously wrong. I am going to go with hilariously wrong. I dont win anything by being right. And if I'm 'hilariously' wrong that'd mean a somewhat good game maybe which would be nice, but that's unlikely. Neither of us win anything!
This is high-stakes poker for BioWare, as you well know. The ME IP is on the line. If DA4 isn't a big success, it may never be made. Until they do right by these titles, no one will think twice about a new IP from BioWare. Their corporate life is hanging by a thread, and EA has the scythe at the ready.
What is funny, to me, is that you are so sure of their failure already. That nothing can change their fate, that anybody new that has been hired will fail because of some curse. I get it, I have been there too... but that was a long time ago. And BioWare still exists for now. And we keep coming back, because we hope.
Your assumptions make it a dead-end conversation, and are slightly hostile to most of the forum. I cannot agree with your conclusion, because it is made without enough information and based on yesterday's news. We must learn from the past, but also cannot be ruled by it.
In short - neither of us know anything yet. It is the basis of humility.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 30, 2022 7:40:04 GMT
I dont win anything by being right. And if I'm 'hilariously' wrong that'd mean a somewhat good game maybe which would be nice, but that's unlikely. Neither of us win anything!
This is high-stakes poker for BioWare, as you well know. The ME IP is on the line. If DA4 isn't a big success, it may never be made. Until they do right by these titles, no one will think twice about a new IP from BioWare. Their corporate life is hanging by a thread, and EA has the scythe at the ready.
What is funny, to me, is that you are so sure of their failure already. That nothing can change their fate, that anybody new that has been hired will fail because of some curse. I get it, I have been there too... but that was a long time ago. And BioWare still exists for now. And we keep coming back, because we hope.
Your assumptions make it a dead-end conversation, and are slightly hostile to most of the forum. I cannot agree with your conclusion, because it is made without enough information and based on yesterday's news. We must learn from the past, but also cannot be ruled by it.
In short - neither of us know anything yet. It is the basis of humility.
Obviously. The whole topic is about stuff none of us really knows about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2022 21:10:15 GMT
Obviously. The whole topic is about stuff none of us really knows about. Oof. Ok, thanks for that. I wasn't sure. For someone that doesn't know stuff, you sure speak with authority.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Jan 1, 2023 8:17:02 GMT
Well i can't see it being Ryder as he would have another 600 years to travel just to get back to the milky way and that would be pushing even a Asari like Liaras lifespan as they don't tend to see over 1000 and by the events of Andromeda Liara is at least 700 years old,add another 600 years and she is well beyond most matriarchs lifespans.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 1, 2023 8:34:37 GMT
Well i can't see it being Ryder as he would have another 600 years to travel just to get back to the milky way and that would be pushing even a Asari like Liaras lifespan as they don't tend to see over 1000 and by the events of Andromeda Liara is at least 700 years old,add another 600 years and she is well beyond most matriarchs lifespans. Unless they create a connection between the galaxies like a Mass Relay, which would make it almost instantaneous. Or some sort of wormhole or time travel shenanigans.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 1, 2023 9:13:27 GMT
Well i can't see it being Ryder as he would have another 600 years to travel just to get back to the milky way and that would be pushing even a Asari like Liaras lifespan as they don't tend to see over 1000 and by the events of Andromeda Liara is at least 700 years old,add another 600 years and she is well beyond most matriarchs lifespans. Liara is Bio's favourite pet, so they'll find a way to keep her in the setting. Even if it's as simple as Liara making clones and implanting her memories into said clone.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Jan 1, 2023 10:58:05 GMT
Well i can't see it being Ryder as he would have another 600 years to travel just to get back to the milky way and that would be pushing even a Asari like Liaras lifespan as they don't tend to see over 1000 and by the events of Andromeda Liara is at least 700 years old,add another 600 years and she is well beyond most matriarchs lifespans. Unless they create a connection between the galaxies like a Mass Relay, which would make it almost instantaneous. Or some sort of wormhole or time travel shenanigans. They would have to do alot of mental gymnastics to justify such a terrible story plot item. 1.They are resource poor in Andromeda(they can barely even feed themselves) 2.They have no idea how to construct a mass relay in Andromeda 3.If they knew how to make mass relays in the Milky way how long would a message take to send with the relevant details decades, generations.well that's Ryder dead of old age. 4.Lets say they have all the resources they needed to construct a relay at either end,the sheer mathematical enormity or linking two seperate galaxies together would take decades to compute and test and finalise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 1, 2023 15:42:22 GMT
Unless they create a connection between the galaxies like a Mass Relay, which would make it almost instantaneous. Or some sort of wormhole or time travel shenanigans. They would have to do alot of mental gymnastics to justify such a terrible story plot item. 1.They are resource poor in Andromeda(they can barely even feed themselves) 2.They have no idea how to construct a mass relay in Andromeda 3.If they knew how to make mass relays in the Milky way how long would a message take to send with the relevant details decades, generations.well that's Ryder dead of old age. 4.Lets say they have all the resources they needed to construct a relay at either end,the sheer mathematical enormity or linking two seperate galaxies together would take decades to compute and test and finalise. 1. By the end of MEA they are well established in terms of supplies. 2. There is nothing that says they don’t know how. 3. Their communication line with the Milky Way is Quantum Entanglement like in the Normandy which means it will be instantaneously. 4. Except now we have control over the Remnant which their technology will make it quite a lot quicker to do. Remember connecting the two was a long term goal of the Initiative, so they have something in mind. Also it could be the Milky Way sends one over the long way like the Arks, but after the war their technology advances making the trip take far less time. Or one of several other explanations.
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