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Post by natetrace on Aug 31, 2021 19:34:16 GMT
I think it’ll be a new protagonist. I’ve always thought this. Shepard is tied to the trilogy, I think Liana Rupert said Ryder is out but in a video she did for game spot she said she confirmed with devs Liara is 800 years older. We will see both galaxies, and Liara, but an all new cast.
I posted that on the ME Reddit and people got angry but game spot seems like a better source than vloggers, who some of the Reddit folks seem to trust.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 31, 2021 19:39:10 GMT
I think someone new. I feel Shepard got their full, complete story. Yes, I know some disagree but that's my take.
Ryder has proven to be controversial, even though I personally love Ryder and think so much more was left undone.
This leaves me with a new character. No history, negativity or whatever attached to this person.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 31, 2021 19:46:00 GMT
I think someone new. I feel Shepard got their full, complete story. Yes, I know some disagree but that's my take. Ryder has proven to be controversial, even though I personally love Ryder and think so much more was left undone. This leaves me with a new character. No history, negativity or whatever attached to this person. Except I will expect the "Its not Shepurd!!1" screechers to continue again and negativity will come again. Yes, I'm not very optimistic atm 
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 31, 2021 19:54:41 GMT
Except I will expect the "Its not Shepurd!!1" screechers to continue again and negativity will come again. I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 31, 2021 19:57:48 GMT
I think someone new. I feel Shepard got their full, complete story. Yes, I know some disagree but that's my take. Ryder has proven to be controversial, even though I personally love Ryder and think so much more was left undone. This leaves me with a new character. No history, negativity or whatever attached to this person. Except I will expect the "Its not Shepurd!!1" screechers to continue again and negativity will come again. Yes, I'm not very optimistic atm  I understand, but Bioware can't outdo the past characters and if they're not going to do that, then they're wasting everyone's time.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 31, 2021 19:58:44 GMT
Except I will expect the "Its not Shepurd!!1" screechers to continue again and negativity will come again. I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. I don't think that will endear them to people and I don't think it will sell copies.
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Post by Zemgus on Aug 31, 2021 20:05:37 GMT
Except I will expect the "Its not Shepurd!!1" screechers to continue again and negativity will come again. I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. From what I've seen the reason people didn't like Ryder wasn't because she isn't Shepard, but because she was the worst written player character in Bioware history and had terrible dialogue options and not particularly great voice actors.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 31, 2021 20:21:27 GMT
I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. I don't think that will endear them to people and I don't think it will sell copies. Did they listen to fans when they wrote ME2?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 31, 2021 20:32:35 GMT
I don't think that will endear them to people and I don't think it will sell copies. Did they listen to fans when they wrote ME2? They were in good standing then, thought they could do no wrong and, in the eyes of the public, ME2 was a huge step up. Still looked upon, largely, as the best ME and I am inclined to agree. From what I've been told, ME2 remains, even in the LE, the most played ME of them all. But now, everything they do, will be criticized, nobody has faith in Bioware, figuratively, and the moment the public realizes they aren't getting what they are expecting to get, they will walk right back out. They can do what they want, absolutely, 100%, doesn't mean it will work any better than Andromeda, DA2, Inquisition, or Anthem did.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2021 20:47:52 GMT
Except I will expect the "Its not Shepurd!!1" screechers to continue again and negativity will come again. I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. So the new PC is not going to be as good as Ryder. |
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Post by Phantom on Aug 31, 2021 21:43:58 GMT
I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. So the new PC is not going to be as good as Ryder. well New PC can be worse or better than Ryder....A Well Written PC of any stripe can carry a bad story. A Poorly written PC of any stripe can make a good story bomb.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 1, 2021 1:12:03 GMT
I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. So the new PC is not going to be as good as Ryder. If the new character is able to tell a voice-in-the-head to shutup, that character has already one upped the little duck.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 1, 2021 11:35:15 GMT
Some new dude, hopefully not being drawn into yet another galactic or interstellar holocaust story. It kinda gets old at some point - stories don't need to get bigger and bigger stakes. Enough with that and back to story-telling.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 1, 2021 15:09:01 GMT
Who I hope: Ryder Who I think: New protagonist Who I fear: Shepard
The same here.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 1, 2021 15:17:39 GMT
I still believe this is one of the main reasons Ryder wasn't accepted. People wanted someone more like Shepard. Ryder was created to be nearly the opposite of Shepard. So we'll end up with something close to Shepard 2.0. Of course, I think BioWare should focus on a solid story and ignore absolutely everything fans say until the game is near completion. From what I've seen the reason people didn't like Ryder wasn't because she isn't Shepard, but because she was the worst written player character in Bioware history and had terrible dialogue options and not particularly great voice actors.
The VA for Male Ryder was better than Mark Meer was in ME1 and Meer was god awful in ME1. Wolff was equal to Hale. The dialogue in MEA was equal with 2 and 3 and superior to ME1 and ME1 had the worst dialogue in the series and poor delivery by most of the voice actors other than Jennifer Hale who was the only one who nailed it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 1, 2021 15:38:06 GMT
Would people have a problem with a sequel to ME2, but a ME3 prequel, with Shepard?
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 17:56:30 GMT
Would people have a problem with a sequel to ME2, but a ME3 prequel, with Shepard? You mean the six months while Shepard was jailed on Earth? What would be the point? I'm assuming you mean a new protagonist but what do they bring to the table as far as ME3 goes? They're a dead end. If you have an idea around how it might work I'm willing to listen.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 18:01:29 GMT
So the new PC is not going to be as good as Ryder. If the new character is able to tell a voice-in-the-head to shutup, that character has already one upped the little duck. My assumption is that SAM becomes unnecessary. Ryder was able to successfully fight the enemy and take control of the Meridian without SAM. An easy way to get rid of SAM would be to put it in the Meridian to maintain control. Just transfer the SAM node from Ark Hyperion to the Meridian and it's done. Alternately, the non-played Ryder twin has SAM and the playable one is the focus. Either way, it makes Ryder fighting and making decision on his or her own. It's an idea, anyway. I just don't think it'll appease most people.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 1, 2021 19:40:35 GMT
You mean the six months while Shepard was jailed on Earth? Before that |
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 20:16:48 GMT
You mean the six months while Shepard was jailed on Earth? Before that During the events of ME2? After the Collector Base but before turning himself/herself in? Before Arrival? After Arrival? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 1, 2021 20:20:47 GMT
After the Collector Base but before turning himself/herself in Got it! |
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 20:41:56 GMT
After the Collector Base but before turning himself/herself in Got it! Okay, fine. I'm guessing it's still Shepard and anyone who survived the SM.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 1, 2021 21:17:27 GMT
Would people have a problem with a sequel to ME2, but a ME3 prequel, with Shepard? Any prequel is a narrative dead end with no point, especially considering the ending. If BioWare does anything in the Milky Way again, they’ll have to bite the bullet and go forward, not backward.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 1, 2021 21:24:24 GMT
Any prequel is a narrative dead end with no point, especially considering the ending. If BioWare does anything in the Milky Way again, they’ll have to bite the bullet and go forward, not backward. What if it does, by the end of it? |
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 1, 2021 21:30:01 GMT
Any prequel is a narrative dead end with no point, especially considering the ending. If BioWare does anything in the Milky Way again, they’ll have to bite the bullet and go forward, not backward. What if it does, by the end of it? Still sounds very meh to me, also not keen on visiting Shepard again.
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