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Post by Spectr61 on Aug 26, 2021 17:34:11 GMT
Nah.
Merely drivel from a woke, sub-par online journalist.
Race-ism indeed!
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 26, 2021 18:01:12 GMT
Yo saying MEA is better than ME1 is like saying ass is better than tits. Wrong just wrong. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. When you typed some stuff I liked, I felt like we were heading toward friendship, maybe even lifetime friendship. Then you posted this crazy talk. Now I feel attacked. I may be triggered. I'm questioning whether you might actually be a bad person. I need some time to think, but I'm not taking a lifetime block off the table. All options will be considered. For now, I'm creating an alt to cast a vote for asses. Take that, sir! Take that! <insert offended, confused, thoughtful but angry meme>
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Post by Sundance31us on Aug 26, 2021 18:39:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 19:15:26 GMT
Yo saying MEA is better than ME1 is like saying ass is better than tits. Wrong just wrong. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. When you typed some stuff I liked, I felt like we were heading toward friendship, maybe even lifetime friendship. Then you posted this crazy talk. Now I feel attacked. I may be triggered. I'm questioning whether you might actually be a bad person. I need some time to think, but I'm not taking a lifetime block off the table. All options will be considered. For now, I'm creating an alt to cast a vote for asses. Take that, sir! Take that! <insert offended, confused, thoughtful but angry meme> I know I hide that opinion well.
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Post by Blast Processor on Aug 26, 2021 20:03:08 GMT
Yo saying MEA is better than ME1 is like saying ass is better than tits. Wrong just wrong. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. When you typed some stuff I liked, I felt like we were heading toward friendship, maybe even lifetime friendship. Then you posted this crazy talk. Now I feel attacked. I may be triggered. I'm questioning whether you might actually be a bad person. I need some time to think, but I'm not taking a lifetime block off the table. All options will be considered. For now, I'm creating an alt to cast a vote for asses. Take that, sir! Take that! <insert offended, confused, thoughtful but angry meme>
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 19:54:51 GMT
A few quick things:
1) No, I didn't write it but I do agree with it 100%.
2) If this really offends you then please go to the Escapist and yell at them and not at me because I will block you...FOR LIFE.
Even though I largely disagree, I upvoted you because of your thing about blocking people for life. Made me laugh. I can come up with a ton of reasons why racism might seem to make sense from the POV of the characters. They'd recently fought a war with the turians and lost. It only really ended when the asari intervened. Now maybe that hate should have only extended to them. It's certainly the basis for whatever was going through Ashley's head. Again, not supporting racism but you could see the perspective. I would say Kaidan was the most moral person in the entire series. Even with the war, and with everything that went on with Vernus, he didn't see turians as the enemy. Instead, he saw that bad people could exist no matter what their. If he didn't follow that logic it would also mean humanity as a whole was evil. MEA already had a bunch of alien races heading off to MEA, together, to create new lives for themselves. It wouldn't make sense to have very many racists. The main flaw in MEA, from my perspective, was open worlds. It was a huge mistake. Too much time wasted crossing the world to get something just to bring it back. Waypoints, ugh, don't get me started. I also hate crafting with a passion. I don't have a problem with the story or the characters but I do think that the foundation put in place by ME1 was the only thing that could have built what we got in the later two games. That choices made in ME1 had at least some impact in the other two games also makes it important. I'm not actually hung up on anyone's opinion because the world would be terribly boring if we all thought the same. I'm just putting mine opinion out there.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 20:12:23 GMT
It's combat was dated in 2007. Loved it. Really loved it. Loved heating/cooling over thermal clips. Loved finding/buying a mod to decrease the cooldown time. It is my favorite vehicle in all four ME games. If Nomad had weapons I'd take it over the Mako. But it doesn't, which I think was a huge flaw. The morality system limits role play. It should. If I'm an asshole to most people why would they be willing to buy into anything nice I have to say? I'm not going to comment on the rest but I completely disagree. I absolutely love that game, janky Mako, the ability to shoot Wrex if he won't calm down, letting Liara go nuts if you wait too long to get her and other fun stuff. Realistically, Liam should have been court martialed for selling state secrets to another nation. Also realistically, Peebee should have been permanently removed from the Tempest, and likely brought up on criminal charges, for destroying Nexus property with careless action. From a gameplaying perspective, I realize why that didn't happen, but it should have. Shepard did get away with stuff but the Council also knew what they were getting when they chose him/her. In fact, given what Spectres do, Shepard's behavior is precisely the thing they would want. I think the salarian Councilor indicated that Shepard should be willing to do some bad things to get the job done. It like Shepard was being encouraged to make Renegade decisions. I tend to play with a little balance. I lean more toward Paragon than Renegade but I don't ignore Renegade. If I couldn't tell Mikhailovich what an asshole he was (which Ryder can't do) it would just suck. Renegade options make that possible.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 20:14:57 GMT
Yo saying MEA is better than ME1 is like saying ass is better than tits. Wrong just wrong. I've had both. While tits feel nice - won't get into other details about what I've done with them - ass is definitely better. I mean, if we're making this a thing to discuss.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 1, 2021 20:22:17 GMT
Yo saying MEA is better than ME1 is like saying ass is better than tits. Wrong just wrong. I've had both. While tits feel nice - won't get into other details about what I've done with them - ass is definitely better. I mean, if we're making this a thing to discuss. Counter argument: Jack has neither, yet I like her the most.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 1, 2021 20:57:55 GMT
A few quick things:
1) No, I didn't write it but I do agree with it 100%.
2) If this really offends you then please go to the Escapist and yell at them and not at me because I will block you...FOR LIFE.
Even though I largely disagree, I upvoted you because of your thing about blocking people for life. Made me laugh. I can come up with a ton of reasons why racism might seem to make sense from the POV of the characters. They'd recently fought a war with the turians and lost. It only really ended when the asari intervened. Now maybe that hate should have only extended to them. It's certainly the basis for whatever was going through Ashley's head. Again, not supporting racism but you could see the perspective. I would say Kaidan was the most moral person in the entire series. Even with the war, and with everything that went on with Vernus, he didn't see turians as the enemy. Instead, he saw that bad people could exist no matter what their. If he didn't follow that logic it would also mean humanity as a whole was evil. MEA already had a bunch of alien races heading off to MEA, together, to create new lives for themselves. It wouldn't make sense to have very many racists. The main flaw in MEA, from my perspective, was open worlds. It was a huge mistake. Too much time wasted crossing the world to get something just to bring it back. Waypoints, ugh, don't get me started. I also hate crafting with a passion. I don't have a problem with the story or the characters but I do think that the foundation put in place by ME1 was the only thing that could have built what we got in the later two games. That choices made in ME1 had at least some impact in the other two games also makes it important. I'm not actually hung up on anyone's opinion because the world would be terribly boring if we all thought the same. I'm just putting mine opinion out there. I still don't see Ash in ME1 as racist. Yes, she has that one ambient sentence about the aliens and the animals on the presidium (which to me always felt like some weird writer's mistake anyway because there aren't even any animals around) but all her other comments, which are often put out there as anti-alien or racist are actually not.
If she were racist, she'd dislike/mistrust/resent aliens for the simple reason that they are not human. However that is not the case. She articulates some very logical reasons as to why humanity needs to be careful in their dealings with the other species, in particular the council. Her entire argument about when push comes to shove, every species is going to look out for their own interests first makes logical sense and is actually based on the fact that humanity would do the same thing.
Back when I first played ME1, Ash never even registered as racist to me (I only caught on to that sentiment when I read forum discussions and such). She just seemed to be a bit caught up in a soldiers perspective, looking at everything from a very tactical or strategic point of view and that includes her perspective on how to deal with the other races. If we translate her views to military people today and how they think about other nations, you often hear very similar lines of thought about allies and such and these people are not getting branded as nationalists necessarily either.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 1, 2021 21:35:38 GMT
The main flaw in MEA, from my perspective, was open worlds. It was a huge mistake. I dont still think we're gonna go back into corridors and quick walkthroughs of whole game like in 2 and 3... but thats just me
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 1, 2021 21:51:18 GMT
The main flaw in MEA, from my perspective, was open worlds. It was a huge mistake. I dont still think we're gonna go back into corridors and quick walkthroughs of whole game like in 2 and 3... but thats just me I think Andromeda's take on it went in the right direction but they did go a bit over board IMO. I mean, having these huge worlds was great but it did sort of restrict them to 5 1/2 (counting the asteroid as half here). Given that 3 1/2 of those are basically just deserts (2 sand, 1 ice and 1/2 rock) the lack of variety was a pretty big issue for me at least. All the backtracking in the later parts of the game did not help.
IMO, it would be best to find some middle ground where the worlds are still open but a bit smaller and more compact but offer more variety in the environments and double the number. Cut the backtracking and rather send us to new places, so it really feels like we keep exploring. Also, cut 90% of he collectable crap. Basically, combine the strength in pacing and variety from the trilogy with the nice exploration mechanics of Andromeda.
Another thing they could improve is that you when you fly into a system, you should never know what you get. In Andromeda, the more linear missions were all either main story driven or loyally missions or some such. You couldn't really just stumble on one of those. Say what you will about ME2's little N7 missions but they did spice up exploring the star systems. In the next ME game, whe nI fly into a new system, I should be able to find anything from a bigger open world that I can explore by vehicle, to a more linear story ehavy mission to just a small N7 style mission. Not getting bogged down into a formula, that's the key IMO.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 1, 2021 22:11:51 GMT
I dont still think we're gonna go back into corridors and quick walkthroughs of whole game like in 2 and 3... but thats just me I think Andromeda's take on it went in the right direction but they did go a bit over board IMO. I mean, having these huge worlds was great but it did sort of restrict them to 5 1/2 (counting the asteroid as half here). Given that 3 1/2 of those are basically just deserts (2 sand, 1 ice and 1/2 rock) the lack of variety was a pretty big issue for me at least. All the backtracking in the later parts of the game did not help.
IMO, it would be best to find some middle ground where the worlds are still open but a bit smaller and more compact but offer more variety in the environments and double the number. Cut the backtracking and rather send us to new places, so it really feels like we keep exploring. Also, cut 90% of he collectable crap. Basically, combine the strength in pacing and variety from the trilogy with the nice exploration mechanics of Andromeda.
Another thing they could improve is that you when you fly into a system, you should never know what you get. In Andromeda, the more linear missions were all either main story driven or loyally missions or some such. You couldn't really just stumble on one of those. Say what you will about ME2's little N7 missions but they did spice up exploring the star systems. In the next ME game, whe nI fly into a new system, I should be able to find anything from a bigger open world that I can explore by vehicle, to a more linear story ehavy mission to just a small N7 style mission. Not getting bogged down into a formula, that's the key IMO.
Yeah, Open Worlds are a thing these days already. I am of the same mind with you about the middle ground, and as we could see from the stuff they left from the game (the thread is here CLICKETYCLICK) - there were missions like ME2 (I felt the last two PT's (well partly PT's) they were the best parts of 2 actually) N7 missions - but they were cut. So we agree
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 22:35:35 GMT
Back when I first played ME1, Ash never even registered as racist to me (I only caught on to that sentiment when I read forum discussions and such). She just seemed to be a bit caught up in a soldiers perspective, looking at everything from a very tactical or strategic point of view and that includes her perspective on how to deal with the other races. If we translate her views to military people today and how they think about other nations, you often hear very similar lines of thought about allies and such and these people are not getting branded as nationalists necessarily either. She did to me. Eventually my opinion changed. I was just trying to express a POV. I'm sure you know lots of people hate her because they call her racist. I don't think racism is anywhere near as prevalent in ME1 as the writer of the article seems to think. Sure, we've got an anti-alien group and Cerberus (which is presented as bad). "You humans are all racist." I don't think the writer really thought through how close to the First Contact War the game is set.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2021 22:38:02 GMT
The main flaw in MEA, from my perspective, was open worlds. It was a huge mistake. I dont still think we're gonna go back into corridors and quick walkthroughs of whole game like in 2 and 3... but thats just me We did have similar in ME1 but it wasn't the same. The worlds weren't nearly as long. Honestly, I'd consider returning MENext if it were open world. It is the bane of a solid RPG. Wastes so much time where nothing happens. It's just filler. Alternately, we could have preset checkpoints so you don't have to spend 20 minutes crossing a map just to turn around and spend 20 minutes going back. If you could get to a nearby checkpoint immediately, and then create a new checkpoint from your intended target, then fine.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 1, 2021 23:43:58 GMT
Back when I first played ME1, Ash never even registered as racist to me (I only caught on to that sentiment when I read forum discussions and such). She just seemed to be a bit caught up in a soldiers perspective, looking at everything from a very tactical or strategic point of view and that includes her perspective on how to deal with the other races. If we translate her views to military people today and how they think about other nations, you often hear very similar lines of thought about allies and such and these people are not getting branded as nationalists necessarily either. She did to me. Eventually my opinion changed. I was just trying to express a POV. I'm sure you know lots of people hate her because they call her racist. I don't think racism is anywhere near as prevalent in ME1 as the writer of the article seems to think. Sure, we've got an anti-alien group and Cerberus (which is presented as bad). "You humans are all racist." I don't think the writer really thought through how close to the First Contact War the game is set. And in the end Ashley was proven right.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 2, 2021 0:41:39 GMT
And in the end Ashley was proven right. I love Ash. Kind of sad that she never has and never will make it through ME1.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 2, 2021 8:07:51 GMT
Is like good wine. Aged ones are always better.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 2, 2021 11:15:07 GMT
MEA and DAI werent open worlds - they were just huge levels. Worlds need world building and something that lives in them. And if that is just Preston Garvey.
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Post by Sondergaard on Sept 2, 2021 11:23:43 GMT
A few quick things:
1) No, I didn't write it but I do agree with it 100%.
2) If this really offends you then please go to the Escapist and yell at them and not at me because I will block you...FOR LIFE.
'Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry'. Cyberstrike, probably.
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 2, 2021 12:56:17 GMT
I've had both. While tits feel nice - won't get into other details about what I've done with them - ass is definitely better. I mean, if we're making this a thing to discuss. Counter argument: Jack has neither, yet I like her the most. Heresy! Jack has both! Perfectly too, I might add. Big, gigantic azz and udders are just that, gigantically off-putting. Only for those with mommy issues......
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 2, 2021 13:20:06 GMT
Back when I first played ME1, Ash never even registered as racist to me (I only caught on to that sentiment when I read forum discussions and such). She just seemed to be a bit caught up in a soldiers perspective, looking at everything from a very tactical or strategic point of view and that includes her perspective on how to deal with the other races. If we translate her views to military people today and how they think about other nations, you often hear very similar lines of thought about allies and such and these people are not getting branded as nationalists necessarily either. She did to me. Eventually my opinion changed. I was just trying to express a POV. I'm sure you know lots of people hate her because they call her racist. I don't think racism is anywhere near as prevalent in ME1 as the writer of the article seems to think. Sure, we've got an anti-alien group and Cerberus (which is presented as bad). "You humans are all racist." I don't think the writer really thought through how close to the First Contact War the game is set. I think she is xenophobic/bigoted even if she isn't outright racist. That's not why I dislike her though, I dislike her because she isn't smart and doesn't see the bigger picture. For example in ME2 she is so clouded by her hatred of Cerberus that she refuses to acknowledge the threat of the collectors (the same people who abducted the colonists she was supposed to protect and the same group who almost abducted her if not for Shepards rescue). Instead of being grateful she comes across as very judgemental, even insulting in the way she addresses shepard 'I would never turn my back on the alliance' I remember Garrus being in my party and after the 3rd time of her saying 'how can I trust you Shepard'. Garrus intervenes and says she is letting her emotions cloud her judgement and that Shepard is not aligned with Cerberus but merely trying to rescue human colonies that are being attacked. This stupidity spills over in the 3rd game where she again tries to link the Cerberus attack on Mars to Shepard (more than once). If you can't trust someone then stop following them! The biggest issue for me though was how easily she was used by Udina (the man she said she hated and insinuated she would never trust). She didn't hesitate to point her gun at Shepard (the guy who literally saved her in all 3 games and specifically against Cerberus in the last game). I was so tempted to kill her even though I was doing a paragon run, ended up choosing the renegade option to get her to back down then refused to have her on my ship
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 2, 2021 13:25:55 GMT
Big, gigantic azz and udders are just that, gigantically off-putting. Only for those with mommy issues...... Listen, as a person that has seen that video with JLo and ... Izzy Aglaea? Agalea? Whatever. Big tits and a big ass do mesmerize people. Not just men, people, in general. Jack is fairly flat and lacking in curves, as 13 year old me. But Jack is sexy, first and foremost, because of how she carries herself. She doesn't have to have a pornstar body to haunt people's fantasies. Although it doesn't hurt.
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Post by Guardian on Sept 2, 2021 14:39:04 GMT
I think she is xenophobic/bigoted even if she isn't outright racist. That's not why I dislike her though, I dislike her because she isn't smart and doesn't see the bigger picture. For example in ME2 she is so clouded by her hatred of Cerberus that she refuses to acknowledge the threat of the collectors (the same people who abducted the colonists she was supposed to protect and the same group who almost abducted her if not for Shepards rescue). Instead of being grateful she comes across as very judgemental, even insulting in the way she addresses shepard 'I would never turn my back on the alliance' I remember Garrus being in my party and after the 3rd time of her saying 'how can I trust you Shepard'. Garrus intervenes and says she is letting her emotions cloud her judgement and that Shepard is not aligned with Cerberus but merely trying to rescue human colonies that are being attacked. This stupidity spills over in the 3rd game where she again tries to link the Cerberus attack on Mars to Shepard (more than once). If you can't trust someone then stop following them! The biggest issue for me though was how easily she was used by Udina (the man she said she hated and insinuated she would never trust). She didn't hesitate to point her gun at Shepard (the guy who literally saved her in all 3 games and specifically against Cerberus in the last game). I was so tempted to kill her even though I was doing a paragon run, ended up choosing the renegade option to get her to back down then refused to have her on my ship Yeah, this annoyed me about Ash in ME 2 and 3, but I also chalk this up to "bad writing". I think her original writer also left partially through ME 2? I can't remember, but I swear people have said that many times previously. But since I always take Garrus, that line about her judgment being clouded is right. As for why she was following you on the Moon, it's more like she was supposed to be under Anderson, and Anderson gave control to Shepard, so since Ash is Alliance "through and through", she'll follow "orders" and go with Shep to Mars. She may not like it, but she's going to do it. Still, bad writing is bad. And as much as I love ME 2, the story wasn't it's selling point.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 2, 2021 15:12:25 GMT
I think she is xenophobic/bigoted even if she isn't outright racist. That's not why I dislike her though, I dislike her because she isn't smart and doesn't see the bigger picture. For example in ME2 she is so clouded by her hatred of Cerberus that she refuses to acknowledge the threat of the collectors (the same people who abducted the colonists she was supposed to protect and the same group who almost abducted her if not for Shepards rescue). Instead of being grateful she comes across as very judgemental, even insulting in the way she addresses shepard 'I would never turn my back on the alliance' I remember Garrus being in my party and after the 3rd time of her saying 'how can I trust you Shepard'. Garrus intervenes and says she is letting her emotions cloud her judgement and that Shepard is not aligned with Cerberus but merely trying to rescue human colonies that are being attacked. This stupidity spills over in the 3rd game where she again tries to link the Cerberus attack on Mars to Shepard (more than once). If you can't trust someone then stop following them! The biggest issue for me though was how easily she was used by Udina (the man she said she hated and insinuated she would never trust). She didn't hesitate to point her gun at Shepard (the guy who literally saved her in all 3 games and specifically against Cerberus in the last game). I was so tempted to kill her even though I was doing a paragon run, ended up choosing the renegade option to get her to back down then refused to have her on my ship Yeah, this annoyed me about Ash in ME 2 and 3, but I also chalk this up to "bad writing". I think her original writer also left partially through ME 2? I can't remember, but I swear people have said that many times previously. But since I always take Garrus, that line about her judgment being clouded is right. As for why she was following you on the Moon, it's more like she was supposed to be under Anderson, and Anderson gave control to Shepard, so since Ash is Alliance "through and through", she'll follow "orders" and go with Shep to Mars. She may not like it, but she's going to do it. Still, bad writing is bad. And as much as I love ME 2, the story wasn't it's selling point. Yeah and as critical as I am of her (particularly with ME2 and ME3) ultimalty the same can be said about Kaiden. As you pointed out its bad writing (especially for Kaiden as I feel those choices fundamentally changed his character). Its a tricky one though and I can appreciate that the choice you make in ME1 about who survives was always going to make it difficult to portray the character as they were in the original game moving forward
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