Please don't do specilization quests again. It's annoying

Can't say I agree. The specialisation quests in DAI were tedious and dull, but that's poor design and laziness, not an indictment against ever having them again.

This would be fine. But you could already kinda do that just by asking the trainer some questions. Although if they do it again don't make it so freaking random. Getting three venatori tombs shouldn't take hours and hours to do.

Fair point, if you don't know specifically where a said item drops it can take a long time to come across 3 of said item. In DAI all of the pieces for the specialisation quests have a specific drop point where you can find the items. If you know them its a matter of minutes rather than hours but there in lies the problem - having to google something isn't conducive to an immersive experience!

Generally I am a bit all or nothing with these quests. If they are included then the devs/writers need to make it significant to character development. Otherwise the more minimalist approach is probably the way to go, especially in DAIs case where the game is reasonably lengthy already.

Would have been nice if good execution could include some sort of equity.

To get Champion/Rift Mage/Artificer spec - I have to run around a huge map where I even do not want to go and actually do not need - like Exalted Plains.

Though with other specs the maps are smaller, some have plot quests so I will go there anyway and enemies will be on my way.

Could never undertsand why Champion and Rift Mages specs require that long way to get in comparison with the rest.

I can't say that I enjoyed the specialization quests in DAI given that some of the items are so random it's like it hitting the lottery when you find do one.

It is a while now since I played but I seem to recall one specialism required items from the western approach, only unlocks after you have met Hawke's contact in Crestwood. You mentioned the Champion/Rift Mage/Artificer yourself and I'm pretty sure the Artificer was the one tied to the Western Approach. I definitely recall it was infuriating because I'd already got all the items you needed for the other two rogue specialisms well before that one.

This was exactly the problem for me. I was getting so frustrated my first run trying to find items even though I was actually in the area they should be. A quick Google search does deal with the problem but it shouldn't be that hard and it does ruin the role playing immersion.

It was the same with companion banter. It was too random and unreliable that in the end I went to the Wiki to find out what they ought to be saying to one another.

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This was exactly the problem for me. I was getting so frustrated my first run trying to find items even though I was actually in the area they should be. A quick Google search does deal with the problem but it shouldn't be that hard and it does ruin the role playing immersion.

It was the same with companion banter. It was too random and unreliable that in the end I went to the Wiki to find out what they ought to be saying to one another.[/quote]





Yeah, I have done the same with banter and it sort of sucks the life out of it. Having to look up bits when they get stuck on the same line over and over.

I like DAI a lot but it didn't do itself any favours with these sorts of problems and it does concern me that if issues like this are present in 4 that a lot of people will get turned off.

Would love a combination of dao and dai

I remember dao how fun were and one involved a spirit trapped

My proposal is you find a trainer (maybe it’s a shop or school in a city). The trainer sends you out to a dungeon to complete the quest. Imagine if one of the dai specialization was located in valamar or in one of the other dungeons that need to be unlocked in the war table

Dai had a lot of roleplaying laziness compared to dao and da2.

I think they should, if they do specializations at all, go even further and double down on it. I actually want a mini quest line/ arc where you get to choose a specialization for your character and unlock it. I guess closest analogue to what I want is like the Skyrim stuff with each one of the faction missions just as soon as you are done with them instead of running the organization you get a specialization of it. Of course this could end up being a LOT to program if we do get nine specializations this will be 9 seperate quest lines.

Or as I have suggested no real specializations but you get to start off with certain skills based on options you make in the beginning of the game.

That sucks. I just had a quick search and came across someone mentioning that the pure wisps, that give a guaranteed wisp essence drop, were not spawning in the Fallow Mire. Maybe its a bug along those lines. You can grind wisp essences reasonably quickly from some of the rifts in the Hinterlands. A couple of them have a few wisps per wave and are not too difficult early. I think the rift near the Agrarian Apostate quest giver might be the one. Venatori tomes are a tad rarer but can be a random drop from spellbinder type enemies - there are some of these at the Forbidden Oasis but I think you may have to have gone past 'In Your Shall Burn' first for them to show up. If you are bothered about Nevarran skulls, they can be grinded from apostate mages in the Hinterlands - just don't destroy their enclave in the cave or the patrolling ones will stop spawning.

I hope you have better luck on your next playthrough!

Ironically I have absolutely no problem finding nevarran skuls despite the fact that is the one made specilization I am not interested in.  Thanks for the help though.

I didn't like having to search maps high and low for the right enemies to kill for the right items to loot. On my first play through i gave up on the specialisation i had planned on and just went with the one i had managed to collect the stuff for (thankfully Tempest turned out to be fun).

But I see alot of potential in specialisation quests if they make them fleshed out side quests with cinematics and story.

An assassin quest where your tasked with sneaking into this mansion (solo) and taking out a wealthy merchant. A spirit warrior quest where you must attract the attention of a spirit by performing a suitable deed while using certain ritual ingredients and then come to an agreement with them. A champion quest to defeat the bandits who are harassing a town/area. A blood mage quest to learn the art from a demon or blood mage... For a price. Etc.

There's a lot of story potential here.

If there's no quest to get a specialisation, then rather than have it just pop into our character from a book or whatever, maybe they should just shift the choice back too character creation? You could select it after you select you race/background/class and it could represent training you specialised in before the story starts. You could start the game with one specialisation ability and have the others be locked behind higher levels or milestones.

D&d 5e has you pick sub classes at levels 1-3 (depending on class) and that works fine.

Of course the 'your already trained in your subclass/specialisation from the beginning' route doesn't work as well if they want to introduce something mysterious and new that you can only of learned from this person/thing you encountered over the course of the story. Nor if you want them to be full only of powerful end game powers rather than powers slowly increasing in scale.

Regardless of what they do with the PCs specs I did like that the companions specs were different in da2. I like that they had their own flavour, and that it meant Hawke wouldn't be the same as them even if she picked the spec that was like theirs.