KOTOR Kinghts of the Old Republic (Remake)

This will be my last post on this thread seeing as I'm not allowed to share a link discussing the new KOTOR simply because it highlights tweets from one of the devs and raises valuable concerns.

I assumed this was supposed to be an open discussion for people to talk about a remake to a game they loved but it seems like this isn't the case. Discussions that prevent the posting of valid concerns (directly related to the game) is not an open discussion.

@mods you have been heavy handed with your actions here, its interesting that one of you decided to take shots at me via private msgs. It seems abuse of power is tolerated, I would ask for someone to take a look at these messages. Unlikely though as this will probably be deleted...

Understable, the discussion needs to be constructive. I personally have no idea what was said previously as I only came across this thread yesterday so I'm a little late to the party.

Sounds like the discussion quickly devolved to insults (never my intention).

Anyway its been made abundantly clear that I can't mention or link anything that might mention the devs now matter how careful I try to be on the subject so I will take myself out of the discussion.

May I make the observation that when something like this kicks off, the moderators as a group discuss it at length, there is nothing that's being done on a whim.

Beating up an individual dev (unless they act as a mouthpiece for a company) isn't something we do here. That's an abusive situation for any individual developer who shares their opinions (wise or otherwise online) because they can't fight back.

And to reiterate, much of the 3 pages that was removed was civil (though some of it certainly wasn't) but unpicking the difference is impossible as it's nested quotes upon quotes. Most posters were just in the wrong place at the wrong time (and we discussed the matter with the OP of the thread).

So for those who missed the debate, one of the KOTOR writers (Sam Maggs) has form from some years past for (in short) mocking people on Twitter who didn't like the diversity in the recent trilogy of Star Wars movies and some of her opinions (some in context, some not) were posted in an attempt to 'cancel' her for holding these opinions.

So back to BSN rules, we're not 'trial by Twitter'. We're not going to have a woke vs. anti-woke fight on the pages of BSN over an individual developer's staff member.

But by all means, let's discuss the actual game when we know, well, anything at all.

It is fucking amazing to me to see shit like this. Unfuckingabelivable really.

Never in a million years would I think that people in giant corporations making 10 times the salary of ordinary people need to be protected from the mere peasants when they voice their concerns.

The people in these corporations can say whatever they want to the fans, mock them, tell them to fuck off, but as soon as a fan says something back, its pearl clutching time.

Fuck off seriously.

The the mods who came up with this rule, you guys are protecting the Elite class. This is the shit that drives me crazy. Are you for the elites to rule over us? Seriously.

You didn't take the tour of the Bioware HQ? The money pool is at least double Olympic size. Admittedly, it's full of loonies, but it all spends, right?

I did a quick search, first three sites.

www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/game-developer-salary-SRCH_KO0,14.htm

www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Video-Game-Developer-Salary

builtin.com/salaries/dev-engineer/game-developer

Now compare that to the USA average.

www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/central.html

FUIWR.

Around? slightly? Okay....

More people sticking up for the elite class.

I'm not going to follow up on the last few posts, as it seems it'll likely go off-topic, but in regards of the remake, it seems that Lucafilms heard/received different pitches for remakes/remasters for KOTOR.

Trent Oster from Beamdog congratulated Aspyr about the teaser and shown a sneak peek of their own pitch, called the 'Reforged Edition', which appeared to be more of a remaster then a remake.

If there was a pitch involved, I doubt only two studios were called, although we won’t know for sure unless someone else comes out as Beamdog did. Either way, I’d say it means they were more interested in a full remake.

I think that depends what your end goal is. Remasters don't change anything outside upgrading the graphics and hardware compatibilities most of the time (maybe add back some cut content and small DLCs, but that is it).

Remakes can be marketed as new games as they usually have new engine and new features/gameplay. They are often used as a way to reboot an IP, which usually have the goal to brining in new fans more than please the old ones (unless it's a cash grab, but those usually end up blowing up in the publisher/dev face).

Disney preferring a remake makes sense to me, I'm sure they are things they wanted changed so KoTOR fit into their new canon. Also, attract lots of new players to SW.

A Valkorion picture was included in the Beamdog pitch. Seems like they wanted to tie all the KOTOR and SWTOR storylines in their Reforged collection. Might have been interesting. I sincerely doubt anything SWTOR-related will be included in the Aspyr version (that's a good thing, mostly, but I liked the Emperor's storyline).

It's already tied together thought hints in KoTOR and KoTOR II, he's just not named in either games, only hinted at. He's why Revan left for uncharted space before the events of KoTOR II (that's actually covered in a prequel novel to SWTOR) and why Revan tried to take over the Republic.  I mentioned it before, but I suspect the remake will reference things from KoTOR II that should have been mentioned in KoTOR. Like Kreia being Revan's master. Giving a name to the threat Raven was trying to stop makes sense too.

As for nothing from SWTOR being included, the lead writer on the remake, Courtney Woods, was a SWTOR writer (she left BioWare for Aspyr in 2020) and a lots of devs on this remake are ex-BioWare, mostly from the Austin studio which was SWTOR main studio (Aspyr is in Austin too).

For all we know, Disney asked Darth Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorion to be added to the remake.