luketrevelyan
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,776 Likes: 6,170
inherit
328
0
6,170
luketrevelyan
1,776
August 2016
luketrevelyan
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 11, 2021 0:18:56 GMT
I just realized that the (math) puzzles are probably not coming back... Are people going to cry over that? Yes, I loved those! And the murder mysteries/trials.
|
|
sjsharp2010
N7
Go Team!
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Dragon Age The Veilguard
Posts: 12,954 Likes: 20,990
inherit
2309
0
20,990
sjsharp2010
Go Team!
12,954
December 2016
sjsharp2010
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Dragon Age The Veilguard
|
Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 11, 2021 3:25:38 GMT
So...it might be a timed exclusive for PS5 with PC coming later. So places are saying timed exclusive and others aren't mentioning it at all, just that PC is getting it as well. Doesn't "console exclusive" mean it's only an exclusive for the selected console? Usually that doesn't affect the PC release and the game launches simultaneously for the console and PC. If it was worded like a "timed PS5 exclusive", then that would mean it will launch later on all other platforms, including PC. Depends on the situation as I remembe rRise of the Tomb Raider getting a staggered release because of timed agreements. XBox got i tfirs tthen PC had to wait 6 months then PS had to wai t a full yea rafte rXbox's initial release t ob eable to ge ttheir hands on it. We're not normally privvy t oal that info bu that's often how i tends up in situations like that.
|
|
inherit
113
0
8,546
Hier0phant
3,878
August 2016
hier0phant
|
Post by Hier0phant on Sept 11, 2021 11:48:07 GMT
With all the talk of appealing to a Modern Audience it makes me wonder if they'll allow you keep all of your companions, no matter the choice you make.
|
|
The Elder King
N6
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 19631
Posts: 6,370 Likes: 8,285
inherit
104
0
8,285
The Elder King
6,370
August 2016
theelderking
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
19631
|
Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2021 12:57:09 GMT
Yes, I loved those! And the murder mysteries/trials. Some of my favorite parts of the game, and I say this as someone who universally solves modern game puzzles with an internet search. Control was fun, the puzzles are for people with way too much free time. KotOR puzzles were brief, challenging enough, but not ridiculous. The mystery plots are perfect. So much of the game is perfect. It makes me absolutely dread what they would do to TSL, with its much darker tone and actual darkside RP opportunities. A remaster here is all that was necessary. Changing the gameplay to "action RPG" will lose the old crowd, and the NuWars inserted garbage is pretty apparent to the younger crowd, even if some of them still "like it" (they don't, they just cannot stand controversy, it's weird). Deconstruction... good gravy. This project is in jeopardy. I’m not going to debate how the younger crowd is split, but why should we assume that the people that like it are faking it? It’s best if we all realize that the fact that we don’t like something, doesn’t mean that nobody else would, even if it’s something overall unpopular. I still don’t think they mean to overhaul the game completely, story wise (combat is more likely to change a lot), but it’s something we can just wait and see how it goes. If what you’re all fearing will be proven to be true, I won’t buy the remake, but there’s nothing that can be done about it. As I said earlier, with the high chances of changing happening with a remake, the fact that this was announced as a remake and not a remaster should’ve given pause to everyone that isn’t okay with any kind of changes.
|
|
The Elder King
N6
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 19631
Posts: 6,370 Likes: 8,285
inherit
104
0
8,285
The Elder King
6,370
August 2016
theelderking
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
19631
|
Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2021 13:03:59 GMT
That article also mentioned that the same language was used in regards of remakes that changed little/not much of the original. I get that FFVII remake is a perfect example of the direction they could go for with KOTOR, but it’s not the only one.
I also don’t think that changes are necessary going to make the end product a bad game/remake. It can still end up good and not a shitty remake. Granted, I’d have preferred to have the remake where they’ll announce they’d change zero in regards of the story, as there are less chances of the changes being bad, but never expected that to happen, unfortunately.
|
|
The Elder King
N6
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 19631
Posts: 6,370 Likes: 8,285
inherit
104
0
8,285
The Elder King
6,370
August 2016
theelderking
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
19631
|
Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2021 13:08:09 GMT
That article also mentioned that the same language was used in regards of remakes that changed little/not much of the original. I get that FFVII remake is a perfect example of the direction they could go for with KOTOR, but it’s not the only one. I also don’t think that changes are necessary going to make the end product a bad game/remake. It can still end up good and not a shitty remake. Granted, I’d have preferred to have the remake where they’ll announce they’d change zero in regards of the story, as there are less chances of the changes being bad, but never expected that to happen, unfortunately. With all the talk of appealing to a Modern Audience it makes me wonder if they'll allow you keep all of your companions, no matter the choice you make. I don’t see it happening, without causing even more issues for the the same modern audiences. I also don’t see how younger people, used to think shows like GOT, are going to have an issue with that.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
26,238
themikefest
15,626
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on Sept 11, 2021 13:13:05 GMT
Looking forward to seeing the changes made in the remake.
|
|
inherit
113
0
8,546
Hier0phant
3,878
August 2016
hier0phant
|
Post by Hier0phant on Sept 11, 2021 14:09:54 GMT
That article also mentioned that the same language was used in regards of remakes that changed little/not much of the original. I get that FFVII remake is a perfect example of the direction they could go for with KOTOR, but it’s not the only one. I also don’t think that changes are necessary going to make the end product a bad game/remake. It can still end up good and not a shitty remake. Granted, I’d have preferred to have the remake where they’ll announce they’d change zero in regards of the story, as there are less chances of the changes being bad, but never expected that to happen, unfortunately. With all the talk of appealing to a Modern Audience it makes me wonder if they'll allow you keep all of your companions, no matter the choice you make. I don’t see it happening, without causing even more issues for the the same modern audiences. I also don’t see how younger people, used to think shows like GOT, are going to have an issue with that. The only people who i see the change being an issue for are rpg purists, and or fans of the og game. The designation Modern Audience sounds like it's a euphemism for appealing to new/casual players who might feel like they're being punished because of the choices that they made. It's one thing for a player to see their favorite character die in a television show, but it's another for them to realize that their decisions had determined their favorite character's fate. If the devs keep things the same i doubt many players will choose the darkside path after learning about what we know. If the devs plan to counteract a potential disparity amongst light vs dark players i wonder if they'll include options to condition your companions for the darkside path (ME2's loyalty missions) or only give the player more rewards for the darkside path.
|
|
azarhal
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 9,734 Likes: 27,555
inherit
1519
0
27,555
azarhal
9,734
Sept 9, 2016 12:15:16 GMT
September 2016
azarhal
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by azarhal on Sept 11, 2021 15:16:39 GMT
Can someone explain to me why a remake justifies rewriting the script? I've never played a remake that does that.It sound like you never played a video game remake. They are entire new games, like movie remakes are new movies. The recent Resident Evil 2 and 3 are remakes and they had rewrites and new voice actors. Going by what was said, the KoTOR remake will keep the cast (well those still alive) and the story as is. What's going to change is probably in-universe references and certain sentences in dialogues, especially if Revan is voiced. I mean, " How do I level up?" is an actually dialogue choice in the intro.
|
|
inherit
113
0
8,546
Hier0phant
3,878
August 2016
hier0phant
|
Post by Hier0phant on Sept 11, 2021 15:43:46 GMT
The recent Resident Evil 2 and 3 are remakes and they had rewrites and new voice actors What amazes me about these two remakes is that RE2's character personalities remained similar to the original game's, while RE3 changed Jill's, Carlos', Nicholai's and even Nemesis' personas.
|
|
The Elder King
N6
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 19631
Posts: 6,370 Likes: 8,285
inherit
104
0
8,285
The Elder King
6,370
August 2016
theelderking
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
19631
|
Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2021 15:45:44 GMT
The recent Resident Evil 2 and 3 are remakes and they had rewrites and new voice actors What amazes me about these two remakes is that RE2's character personalities remained similar to the original game's, while RE3 changed Jill's, Carlos', Nicholai's and even Nemesis' personas. It’s possible the lead developers of the two were different?
|
|
azarhal
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 9,734 Likes: 27,555
inherit
1519
0
27,555
azarhal
9,734
Sept 9, 2016 12:15:16 GMT
September 2016
azarhal
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by azarhal on Sept 11, 2021 15:54:07 GMT
What amazes me about these two remakes is that RE2's character personalities remained similar to the original game's, while RE3 changed Jill's, Carlos', Nicholai's and even Nemesis' personas. It’s possible the lead developers of the two were different? They were made by different dev team, but all under Capcom.
|
|
mousestalker
Inactive Moderator
ღ The Untitled
Just here for the cosplay
Staff Mini-Profile Theme: Mousestalker
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Posts: 12,116 Likes: 30,354
inherit
ღ The Untitled
72
0
1
Jan 31, 2024 11:38:50 GMT
30,354
mousestalker
Just here for the cosplay
12,116
August 2016
mousestalker
Mousestalker
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
|
Post by mousestalker on Sept 11, 2021 16:03:54 GMT
Direct personal attacks on anyone are against the forum rules. That applies to developers as well as forum members.
'Her statements are hypocritical and self-serving' is permissible.
'She is a self-serving hypocrite' is not.
|
|
inherit
113
0
8,546
Hier0phant
3,878
August 2016
hier0phant
|
Post by Hier0phant on Sept 11, 2021 16:04:36 GMT
What amazes me about these two remakes is that RE2's character personalities remained similar to the original game's, while RE3 changed Jill's, Carlos', Nicholai's and even Nemesis' personas. It’s possible the lead developers of the two were different? RE3 was developed by another team but Capcom's personnel still consulted RE3's team. What makes the differences in both remake's design philosophy more bizarre is Capcom's reaction. 3make's team was originally tasked to develop RE4's remake but Capcom pulled the plug on them, and that makes me question if Capcom's consultation somehow screwed up at their job.
|
|
The Elder King
N6
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 19631
Posts: 6,370 Likes: 8,285
inherit
104
0
8,285
The Elder King
6,370
August 2016
theelderking
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
19631
|
Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2021 16:13:27 GMT
It’s possible the lead developers of the two were different? They were made by different dev team, but all under Capcom. It’s possible the lead developers of the two were different? RE3 was developed by another team but Capcom's personnel still consulted RE3's team. What makes the differences in both remake's design philosophy more bizarre is Capcom's reaction. 3make's team was originally tasked to develop RE4's remake but Capcom pulled the plug on them, and that makes me question if Capcom's consultation somehow screwed up at their job. I’d say that’s something went wrong with RE3’s remake, as suggested.
|
|
inherit
The homeostatic problem-solving structure
8860
0
Apr 26, 2022 11:22:31 GMT
9,067
Unicephalon 40-D
An unknown possibly hostile flotilla detected at eight hundred astronomical units from the sun!
5,039
Jun 29, 2017 12:57:11 GMT
June 2017
legendcncd
Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Dragon Age The Veilguard
LegendCNCD / AsariLoverFI
|
Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 11, 2021 16:18:56 GMT
I might be a bit naive, but I prefer to wait and see. Yeap. DooM and GlooM after the release is done... if there is any reason to do so
|
|
Gileadan
N5
Agent 46
Clearance Level Ultra
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: ALoneGretchin
Posts: 2,914 Likes: 7,478
Member is Online
inherit
Agent 46
177
0
Member is Online
Nov 23, 2024 10:43:57 GMT
7,478
Gileadan
Clearance Level Ultra
2,914
August 2016
gileadan
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
ALoneGretchin
|
Post by Gileadan on Sept 11, 2021 18:06:57 GMT
Can't wait to see what their idea of a KotOR "updated for a modern audience" is.
Will it be bold and stunning? A masterpiece even?
Only time will tell.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,628
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 11, 2021 18:19:05 GMT
Can't wait to see what their idea of a KotOR "updated for a modern audience" is. Will it be bold and stunning? A masterpiece even? Only time will tell. Stunning. And brave.
|
|
inherit
57
0
1
35,512
SofaJockey
Not a jockey. Has a sofa.
13,923
August 2016
sofajockey
SofaJockey
SofaJockey
6000
7164
|
Post by SofaJockey on Sept 11, 2021 20:49:47 GMT
Indeed. They appear to have some good people on the team. But the only real test will be 'proof is in the pudding'.
|
|
inherit
57
0
1
35,512
SofaJockey
Not a jockey. Has a sofa.
13,923
August 2016
sofajockey
SofaJockey
SofaJockey
6000
7164
|
Post by SofaJockey on Sept 11, 2021 20:56:12 GMT
And having read a few more posts, we clearly need to have a calm down in here. While the mods discuss any pruning, please enjoy some music.
|
|
inherit
57
0
1
35,512
SofaJockey
Not a jockey. Has a sofa.
13,923
August 2016
sofajockey
SofaJockey
SofaJockey
6000
7164
|
Post by SofaJockey on Sept 11, 2021 22:22:09 GMT
ok, it's easier to sort out which posts are good than which ones aren't. So I'm moving all the posts out, then moving the solid ones back. - - - - ok, this is what has happened: We have a forum rule about game developers which I'll quote: "Game Developers
We give special protection from harassment to game developers. Many developers lurk on our forums, some visible, others invisible. Without their work, we have no forum. Breaking the rules with a developer as the target will lead to a more immediate and firmer response than our standard rules, so don’t do it."Even if a developer becomes very senior where legitimate critique may become reasonable as they have become a mouth-piece for a company, personal attacks are not. In this thread matters became targeted and personal ( around 3 pages worth), which is not going to stand. There wasn't a practical way to remove the 'fair critique' from the 'toxicity' so that line of debate has gone (along with a section of digression concerning the merits or otherwise of the modern-day Star Wars movie franchise). Sorry if anyone's fair posts were removed, it was just collateral damage. I should add that there was a good portion of 'bad faith' posting going on designed simply to wind people up and provoke a response. Let's do a good deal less of that please. (we'll take a look at the 3 pages of steaming content to see if we need to take any other actions. ) - - - - Going forward, please discuss KOTOR Remake as you will, but please leave individual developers out of it unless they comment on the KOTOR Remake in the press (and then their involvement in the topic should stay civil and relevant) On with the show. (I really liked the original KOTOR, though I find it has aged just too much for me to enjoyably play it now, perhaps the remake will be awesome)
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,628
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 12, 2021 0:24:52 GMT
Going forward, please discuss KOTOR Remake as you will, but please leave individual developers out of it unless they comment on the KOTOR Remake in the press (and then their involvement in the topic should stay civil and relevant) But there is nothing to talk about, except the current developers. There's not even a bullshot of the game.
|
|
inherit
The Smiling Knight
538
0
24,046
smilesja
14,558
August 2016
smilesja
|
Post by smilesja on Sept 12, 2021 0:52:10 GMT
I'm just wary of Sam Maggs, is that too much of a criticism?
|
|
Iakus
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Posts: 21,281 Likes: 50,609
inherit
402
0
Dec 21, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
50,609
Iakus
21,281
August 2016
iakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
|
Post by Iakus on Sept 12, 2021 0:54:08 GMT
I'm just wary of Sam Maggs, is that too much of a criticism? Apparently, yes.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,628
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 12, 2021 1:03:55 GMT
I'm just wary of Sam Maggs, is that too much of a criticism? It's not just Sam Maggs. Hiring Sam Maggs sends a message. Why does it send a message?
Is it possible that Sam Maggs will not bring her personal views into the remake? It's possible. Is it likely? No, it is not likely. Why is it not likely? Because Aspyre knew what they were getting. They knew what Sam Maggs is about, she openly advertised it and decided this is the person they want writing for this remake. Meaning what Sam Maggs brings to the table, is what they want their rewrite to be about. It means you're not getting KotoR. This is no longer your dad's KotoR, this is the new KotoR, for modern sensibilities, Sam Maggs' sensibilities. And if that's OK with you (not specifically you, smilesja , it's the proverbial "you"), go buy it.
|
|