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Post by andydandymandy on Dec 5, 2021 1:29:04 GMT
If this is taking place 7 years after Tresspasser, what the hell has Solas been doing all this time? I get that he wanted people to "live in peace" before he killed all of them, but that is a long time to drag this out. What does he need to execute his plan that he can't seem to get his hands on, I wonder.
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Post by Solas on Dec 5, 2021 2:00:48 GMT
If this is taking place 7 years after Tresspasser, what the hell has Solas been doing all this time? I get that he wanted people to "live in peace" before he killed all of them, but that is a long time to drag this out. What does he need to execute his plan that he can't seem to get his hands on, I wonder. his ritual may take a long time to complete. “I told myself that it was because you all deserved to know, to live a few years in peace before my ritual was complete". he's an immortal from a time when some spells took years to cast. the ritual/spell he wants to do to take down the Veil is probably at least partially ancient elven in nature, mayhap it is one of those kinds of spells that took literal years to do.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Dec 5, 2021 2:20:09 GMT
Liked the short stories, but I'm apprehensive about the supposed timeline for DA4. Eight years feels like a long time to pick up the lose threads from DA:I. Well anyway, I appreciate the glimpses of the Anderfels and the Necropolis that the stories grant. Looked up all the places mentioned on the Thedas map like I did with everything Middle-earth way back when Also kinda funny how they talk about Kassel, which is one of the cities I grew up in. I'm looking forward to seeing how they'll portray the Anderfels in game. Please don't do them dirty with exaggerated accents like you did Orlais, Bioware!
So they did kinda mess it up already. Not entirely sure if it is a typo, but the EA site defaulting to local language took me to the German version of the story, and there it is written as K ess al. Kinda reminds me of how localised Star Wars sometimes turns prison rock Kessel (of 'Kessel flight' fame) into 'Kossal' or something like that.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Dec 5, 2021 2:22:20 GMT
You know, the fact that DA4 is starting in 9:50's makes me think Kieran is going to be a party member in DA4.
20 years after Ostagar is such a random jump in timeframe when most people were thinking 5 years after Trespasser. He'd be 21 or 22? Around the same age as Alistair and the warden in DAO
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 5, 2021 2:31:33 GMT
You know, the fact that DA4 is starting in 9:50's makes me think Kieran is going to be a party member in DA4. 20 years after Ostagar is such a random jump in timeframe when most people were thinking 5 years after Trespasser. He'd be 21 or 22? Around the same age as Alistair and the warden in DAO Kieran is "quantum" though, he only exists if you follow the right quest chain.
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Post by andydandymandy on Dec 5, 2021 2:42:39 GMT
Not sure why BioWare would spend the resources on making Kieran a party member (they would have to account for the world states where he doesn't exist)? I could see him appearing if Morrigan has a big role in the game, but appearing as an NPC (that could be easily removed) is vastly different then being a full fledged party member that would require a loyalty mission or a romance subplot (keep in mind that party members eat up a bulk of the word count budget).
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2021 3:17:18 GMT
If this is taking place 7 years after Tresspasser, what the hell has Solas been doing all this time? I get that he wanted people to "live in peace" before he killed all of them, but that is a long time to drag this out. What does he need to execute his plan that he can't seem to get his hands on, I wonder. his ritual may take a long time to complete. “I told myself that it was because you all deserved to know, to live a few years in peace before my ritual was complete". he's an immortal from a time when some spells took years to cast. the ritual/spell he wants to do to take down the Veil is probably at least partially ancient elven in nature, mayhap it is one of those kinds of spells that took literal years to do. it does beg the question though how the Evanuris didn't notice back when he brought the Veil up.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 5, 2021 3:21:28 GMT
This is just a thought, but is it possible the "screaming skull" eventually becomes the undead necromancer we keep seeing in concept art, like the one performing the dragon autopsy?
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 5, 2021 3:23:22 GMT
I wonder if DA Kassel is inspired by real Kassel in Germany. And if so, do they have a cool "looks like something from Dragon Age" castle there too
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 5, 2021 3:32:28 GMT
Btw, I can't help but notice that the illustrations for the stories look like they have a lot of overpainted 3D elements - it's a legit way to compose illustrations and concept arts, so this is not a nitpick on my part or anything: this is just me wondering whether these illustrations are some of the first showcase of how DA4 may look like in the end.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 5, 2021 5:36:15 GMT
This is just a thought, but is it possible the "screaming skull" eventually becomes the undead necromancer we keep seeing in concept art, like the one performing the dragon autopsy? The screaming skull was screaming because he wanted to be buried with his wife, wouldn't make much sense for him to leave their grave. Either of the two Mourn Watchers in the story might be the mortalitasi that the greater dread looking guy from that bts group shot is bonded to. Since Tevinter nights seem to indicate that they need to be bonded to a mage with Audric. As a side note, i just realised that Emmrich is the name of the other Mourn Watcher in Tevinter Nights, I'd previously only remembered Myrna's name.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 5, 2021 6:39:36 GMT
Hmmm This art of Evka Reminds me of this concept art
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Post by Zemgus on Dec 5, 2021 7:27:29 GMT
I'm so happy with the 8 year time pass between Trespasser and DA4! Makes sense to me and gives the writers a lot of room to maneuver. It will be very interesting to hear what has happened in those eight years: in Ferelden, Orlais, with the Grey Wardens, with our former companions & characters, etc.
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Post by Fredward on Dec 5, 2021 7:54:44 GMT
Solas is smart and is trying to end the world and the Inquisition is hunting and probably foiling him along the way so the 8 years seems reasonable to me for a cat and mouse game that's also probably complicated to pull of. Also, everyone is old now. I AM curious about how the war is going if it's been almost a decade since the Qunari started invading Tevinter. Wouldn't be surprised if they dropped us in Minrathous and it's one of the last bastions of Tevinter resistance.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2021 8:27:38 GMT
Wait, they never stated Merrill's age??? No but I think it was sort of implied in DAO that she was around the same age as the Warden. Also, I would assume she was only late teens/early twenties because she was not yet married (something that the Dalish would encourage at an early age) and there was never any mention of a deceased sweetheart (which is why Marethari wasn't married). Whilst Keepers probably delay getting married because of the amount of training they need to get through, normally they do marry (at least that was the case in DAO) if for no other reason than the hope of passing on their magical bloodline. (Again, according to DAO where increasing the number of mages among the clans was thought important)
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 5, 2021 8:54:58 GMT
Of course the most important thing about the timeskip is that the baby griffons found in 9:42 will have grown up!* Dorian's and Maevaris' position and level of power/influence could have changed in this time aswell. Whether increasing or decreasing. At the very least Dorian will no longer be a newbie Magister, with 8 years under his belt. *Presuming that it doesn't take more than 10yrs for a griffon to reach adulthood.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2021 9:35:18 GMT
I AM curious about how the war is going if it's been almost a decade since the Qunari started invading Tevinter. Wouldn't be surprised if they dropped us in Minrathous and it's one of the last bastions of Tevinter resistance. There are 2 ways they could approach this. The first would be to say that the initial invasion caught Tevinter by surprise and the warring factions in the Magisterium initially prevented a robust defense (which they said in the epilogue to Trespasser) but eventually Tevinter did manage to make a counter offensive which stemmed the tide. This then left the east side of the Imperium under occupation but the west side largely untouched. The Antaam also did strike against Antiva (as hinted in Tevinter Nights) which brought the other nations in on the side of Tevinter because the Qun had broken the Llomerryn Accord. This meant the Antaam were now effectively fighting on two fronts, which weakened their overall ability to make further gains. If they were still (allegedly) acting without the backing of Par Vollen, this would also have inhibited their progress since the other two branches of the Triumverate would have normally been responsible for supplying the army, etc, which would also have mitigated against further progress. The second approach would be to do as you suggest. Have the Qun make uncontested progress across the Imperium until only Minrathous was left unconquered. In this scenario I would think the Antaam would have ignored Antiva when unable to make an easy conquest (see Tevinter Nights) and focused entirely on the old enemy. As the Llomerryn Accord would have been respected, the other nations would not be able to come in on the side of Tevinter without breaking it, something they would all be reluctant to do. If the Inquisitor worked with the Qun in DAI, it was said at the end of Trespasser that the leadership on Par Vollen had approached the Divine with a view to her backing the Qun against Tevinter, further isolating the Imperium. Note in this scenario it would seem Par Vollen was backing the Antaam so they might well do a deal with the surrounding nations to supply their forces, which would aid their efforts against Tevinter. There is, of course, a third option where they do nothing to reconcile the conflicting accounts given at the end of Trespasser compared with those of Tevinter Nights and our prior knowledge of Tevinter's previous history of successes against the Qun and simply have the Antaam making unstoppable progress against them with the other nations sitting quietly on the side-lines not wanting to get involved even if the Antaam did start a second offensive against Antiva. Meanwhile, Par Vollen keep maintaining it has nothing to do with them so technically they are not breaking the Llomerryn Accord. Quite why anyone would believe that after Trespasser is anyone's guess. Personally, I find all these alleged rogue elements in the Qun, acting without the backing of Par Vollen, rather hard to swallow, certainly when it comes to the Antaam having greater success as a result. The strength of the Qun has always lain in their discipline and organisation across all 3 branches of the Triumverate, allowing people to specialise in what they are best at. Their weakness, if you like, is not having developed individual members to have the ability to adapt and switch to other activities easily. An army needs auxiliary personnel to supply food, mend armour and weapons, transport equipment around from one location to another and provide advanced medical care. That was the responsibility of the Arigena. They also need people to supply intelligence about the enemy, keep up morale, deal with dissent and deserters and process prisoners. That was the responsibility of the Ariqun. The army just does not have the resources or expertise to undertake these duties effectively, as evidenced in Tevinter Nights.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 5, 2021 13:15:36 GMT
Wait is the time jump gonna be a decade or thirty years or something else? I have read different things on here.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 5, 2021 13:37:52 GMT
Wait is the time jump gonna be a decade or thirty years or something else? I have read different things on here. Eight years between Trespasser (9:44 Dragon) and the speculated year (9:52 Dragon) is the running theory.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 13:57:22 GMT
You know, the fact that DA4 is starting in 9:50's makes me think Kieran is going to be a party member in DA4. 20 years after Ostagar is such a random jump in timeframe when most people were thinking 5 years after Trespasser. He'd be 21 or 22? Around the same age as Alistair and the warden in DAO Like the others already have mentioned Kieran is a quantum character. I believe the biggest problem is that you and others only see your world state aka your choices but Bioware have to consider all possible outcomes. So no Kieran will never be a companion in any future DA game. Edit: By the way i find Kieran without the old god soul less interessing as character so what´s the point even to bring him back?
The only kid as an adult companion (after DAO Sera of course) i could see is Bevin.
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Post by ClarkKent on Dec 5, 2021 14:30:37 GMT
Well an 8 year gap would give the new protagonist some space to breathe from the baggage of the inquisitor.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 15:51:24 GMT
Well an 8 year gap would give the new protagonist some space to breathe from the baggage of the inquisitor. Tevinter as an isolated place at war in Thedas also helps.
But i wonder is King Harrowmont (Edit: Also about Sigrun or Samson?) already been dead at this point
and what is the political situation about the missing heir of the Ferelden throne?
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Post by Zemgus on Dec 5, 2021 17:01:15 GMT
You know, the fact that DA4 is starting in 9:50's makes me think Kieran is going to be a party member in DA4. 20 years after Ostagar is such a random jump in timeframe when most people were thinking 5 years after Trespasser. He'd be 21 or 22? Around the same age as Alistair and the warden in DAO Like the others already have mentioned Kieran is a quantum character. I believe the biggest problem is that you and others only see your world state aka your choices but Bioware have to consider all possible outcomes. So no Kieran will never be a companion in any future DA game. Edit: By the way i find Kieran without the old god soul less interessing as character so what´s the point even to bring him back?
The only kid as an adult companion (after DAO Sera of course) i could see is Bevin.
He's still Morrigan's son. Which means that even without the soul of an Old God he's still a very interesting character with unique upbringing and possibly the heir to the throne (if his father is a Cousland who married Anora or Alistair or even if his father is Loghain he could still have some claim to the throne considering he's the Queen's half-brother).
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 17:28:00 GMT
He's still Morrigan's son. Which means that even without the soul of an Old God he's still a very interesting character with unique upbringing And? He is less or more interessing like Wynnes son Rhys (whatever you think about Rhys) If he exists he ist just a normal boy. Maybe a mage but who knows. Not in all world states so your point is moot and only changes one or two dialogue lines if Kieran ever return in some form.
Therefore i don´t see any appeal in bringing Kieran back.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2021 17:57:41 GMT
He's still Morrigan's son. If he exists he is just a normal boy. Maybe a mage but who knows. I agree with Cuthbertbeckett here. If you meet normal Kieran, it is clear that Morrigan, to her credit, has raised him as normally as she can. Bearing in mind what she says to Flemeth about her mothering skills in the OGB confrontation, Morrigan seems to want to ensure her son does not carry any undue baggage with him as a result of his parentage. Once Flemeth has removed the old god soul from him, it must be hoped that OGB Kieran also develops as a normal kid from then on. So essentially after DAI Kieran is no different to any other youngster and even if Morrigan does still have some part to play in what develops, she will likely try to ensure that she keeps her son out of it. He might be a mage but I don't recall any evidence of it when we meet him and you would think something would have started to show by that age, unless he was a very late developer, so it seems likely he was just a regular non magical person. If he doesn't exist, there would have to be an alternative to him as a companion, which would make accommodating him unduly complicated. Better just give us a completely separate character.
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