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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2021 17:59:20 GMT
Well an 8 year gap would give the new protagonist some space to breathe from the baggage of the inquisitor. What baggage? Most of it would be given space due to the fact we’re in the north while all the choices impacted the south, and what choices don’t get that space wouldn’t get it from the time jump like the Solas plot.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2021 18:10:50 GMT
What baggage? Most of it would be given space due to the fact we’re in the north while all the choices impacted the south, and what choices don’t get that space wouldn’t get it from the time jump like the Solas plot. You have to admit, though, that 8 years is sufficient time for the trail to go cold and even those people who originally believed the Inquisitor, start to question their story. I mean the easiest way for Solas to ensure they can't find him is to order his followers not to draw attention to themselves and then him to stop contacting the Inquisitor. However, another thought has occurred to me and that concerns the characters from the comic. I assumed that if events followed on fairly quickly from the end of the comic's time period, we wouldn't see them because at least some were headed south for the foreseeable future. However, 8 years is sufficient time that, if they are still working for the Inquisition, they could be heading back north again. Given their abilities, it would be odd if we were involved with the Inquisition but didn't encounter them, even if it just as important NPCs.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2021 18:49:48 GMT
So I'm all but certain that Evka will be a companion, with something unfortunate maybe to befall Antoine.
I also think one of those necromancers will be a companion, I'm just not sure if they'll be undead or not.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 18:50:02 GMT
Morrigan does still have some part to play in what develops, she will likely try to ensure that she keeps her son out of it I also want to add that Kieran doesn´t have in him to kill thousand of people.
To be clear its not impossible. Bioware could make Kieran as a companion (theoretically speaking of course) but its very highly unlikely.
Why i have mention this? Because of Mass Effect 3. Bioware brought the "quantum characters" Ashley / Kaidan and Garrus plus Tali (Interessing fact Tali has almost been cut as squadmate because of her low survival rate in ME 2 but the team among Patrick Weekes fought for her because it would have felt wrong if Tali won´t be back in ME 3 roster) back. But they are needed there. And Kieran isn´t needed to be in DA 4. Solas and to an extent Dorian is but not Kieran.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2021 18:57:37 GMT
I kind of like the idea of a grown up Kieran as a companion but the quantum state is a big problem.
The lazy solution to that problem is to simply say "Morrigan had Kieran with another father if the Warden/Alistair didn't and she didn't have him with her during Inquisition for some reason"
But that wouldn't be great. It would be interesting to have him as an optional element for a quest if Morrigan is involved, or just having some sidequest that only shows up if he's alive.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 19:00:51 GMT
So I'm all but certain that Evka will be a companion, with something unfortunate maybe to befall Antoine. Maybe maybe not. But the fact is we only getting one female dwarf at the time. And i still prefer Harding over anyone else. Also its kinda crazy that some folks (no offence) are seeing every (new) character as a possible companion. Again i believe that we get only one mortalitasi themed character and from the previous concept arts the skull guy seem to be an undead warrior. I think its more likely that our Mortalitasi companion could be Audric Felhausen.
Why do you want Kieran as a mass murderer companion? He is such of nice normal boy.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2021 19:12:55 GMT
So I'm all but certain that Evka will be a companion, with something unfortunate maybe to befall Antoine. Maybe maybe not. But the fact is we only getting one female dwarf at the time. And i still prefer Harding over anyone else. Also its kinda crazy that some folks (no offence) are seeing every (new) character as a possible companion.
Evka has featured in three different short stories now, so I think her chances are better than most. I agree that we’ll probably only get her or Harding though. That’s tough I agree we’ll probably only get one, but I’m not convinced the concept art was of a warrior. It seemed to me like this might have been setup for some quest line focusing on the connection between these two necromancers after one of them dies. That could just be part of the plot in the Grand Necropolis though.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 19:33:58 GMT
Evka has featured in three different short stories now, so I think her chances are better than most. I agree that we’ll probably only get her or Harding though. That’s tough I only see that Bioware like her character and that´s it. Maybe she is an kinda important character in the Weisshaupt part of DA 4. Remember Bioware also wrote long short stories for DAI Samson and Calpernia.
He doesn´t look for me atleast like a mage and i don´t think that Bioware will repeat the spirit / demon kind of companion after the Rogue Cole.
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Post by Zemgus on Dec 5, 2021 20:45:26 GMT
He's still Morrigan's son. Which means that even without the soul of an Old God he's still a very interesting character with unique upbringing And? He is less or more interessing like Wynnes son Rhys (whatever you think about Rhys) If he exists he ist just a normal boy. Maybe a mage but who knows. Not in all world states so your point is moot and only changes one or two dialogue lines if Kieran ever return in some form.
Therefore i don´t see any appeal in bringing Kieran back.
Rhys was your average Circle Mage for all intents and purposes despite having some unique abilities. Kieran, even if Morrigan tried to give him as normal childhood as possible, is the grandson of Flemeth and was taught by Morrigan herself. So I wouldn't say it's exactly the same thing. I think the people who made that choice to do the dark ritual expected a bigger payoff for that choice than just to have him disappear in obscurity. He doesn't have to be a future companion but I do hope he isn't just conveniently swept under the rug & forgotten either.
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Post by andydandymandy on Dec 5, 2021 20:56:56 GMT
The Dragon Age team historically have not been that good at paying things off that were set up in a previous game. When they made Dragon Age Origins they didn't know it would get a sequel so they just went all out for it in a way they've been too scared to for the games that came out after.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 5, 2021 21:10:21 GMT
Evka has featured in three different short stories now, so I think her chances are better than most. I agree that we’ll probably only get her or Harding though. That’s tough I only see that Bioware like her character and that´s it. Maybe she is an kinda important character in the Weisshaupt part of DA 4. Remember Bioware also wrote long short stories for DAI Samson and Calpernia. That’s fair. However, Samson and Calpernia were pretty clearly built up as villains in those. Anyway, of all the characters we have any kind of hint about, Evka is at the top of my list. I actually think that first one looks very like a mage, but I’m reading those elements behind his head as an oversized Time Lord-ish collar rather than a helmet. The second one does look more a warrior, but concept art doesn’t necessarily represent any specific characters so much as testing out various looks.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 21:13:44 GMT
I think the people who made that choice to do the dark ritual expected a bigger payoff for that choice than just to have him disappear in obscurity. He doesn't have to be a future companion but I do hope he isn't just conveniently swept under the rug & forgotten either. I think that is the core issue and big misunderstanding of this supposed big choice.
In my opinion Bioware already did a great job with Kieran and the whole old god stuff. Some like you may i disagree but you have to unterstand that Kieran is optional content. He only exists in certain player world states and new players without using the keep (i know it sounds unbelievable about 50% of the DAI players don´t have used the Keep) won´t even see him. So of course he can´t play a big important role in any DA game.
To DAI credit (and i criticise this game more than enough for other stuff) handled Morrigan, Flemeth and Kieran stories pretty well with those limitations. Also Kieran gets a nice conclusion with removing the old god from him. At the end he is just a normal Boy with a pretty strange family. And therefore i don´t see any reason why we should meet him in Tevinter at war with the Qunari.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 5, 2021 21:18:25 GMT
The Dragon Age team historically have not been that good at paying things off that were set up in a previous game. When they made Dragon Age Origins they didn't know it would get a sequel so they just went all out for it in a way they've been too scared to for the games that came out after. They did the same with Mass Effect 1. To be fair it does make sense to make a great first game without thinking about possible sequels after Jade Empire bombing that hard.
I actually think that first one looks very like a mage, but I’m reading those elements behind his head as an oversized Time Lord-ish collar rather than a helmet. The second one does look more a warrior, but concept art doesn’t necessarily represent any specific characters so much as testing out various looks. Of course a lot can still change but i am confident that these three character types are already been locked for DA4. A female Dwarf, a female Qunari and our Skull guy aka Ghost Rider. The latter one is too unique and interessing / cool looking to scrap. Edit: Also at least one returning character has to be back. I don´t think that this time one of the previous companions will return. Or should i better say i hope? I really don´t want Varric third in a row as our default rogue companion. I say this as a big Varric fan.
Their occupation, armor design and skin or hair color however can still change during development. Like Vivienne before who was a Dexter like killer and had a white skin color.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2021 22:23:46 GMT
What baggage? Most of it would be given space due to the fact we’re in the north while all the choices impacted the south, and what choices don’t get that space wouldn’t get it from the time jump like the Solas plot. You have to admit, though, that 8 years is sufficient time for the trail to go cold and even those people who originally believed the Inquisitor, start to question their story. I mean the easiest way for Solas to ensure they can't find him is to order his followers not to draw attention to themselves and then him to stop contacting the Inquisitor. However, another thought has occurred to me and that concerns the characters from the comic. I assumed that if events followed on fairly quickly from the end of the comic's time period, we wouldn't see them because at least some were headed south for the foreseeable future. However, 8 years is sufficient time that, if they are still working for the Inquisition, they could be heading back north again. Given their abilities, it would be odd if we were involved with the Inquisition but didn't encounter them, even if it just as important NPCs. Well, Solas had to start being smart sometime I guess. Though as we’ve seen, his followers aren’t the best at not drawing attention to themselves. I don’t think the trail would go cold, but as for people not believing the Inquisitor that depends. They didn’t tell many to start with, and those who were would still believe. And those are some very influential few. We have a paramilitary organization, the Divine so the Chantry, the leader of the Seekers, a leader of the mages, a merchant princess, the viscount of a city-state, a magister, a group of vigilantes, and potentially a mercenary company. Unless they’re going to ruin all those characters by having them not believe their friend/significant other or care about the world including those they care about. As for the comic characters, perhaps but I hope not. They’ve already been ruined enough, so would rather be brand new characters.
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Post by Zemgus on Dec 5, 2021 22:54:05 GMT
I think the people who made that choice to do the dark ritual expected a bigger payoff for that choice than just to have him disappear in obscurity. He doesn't have to be a future companion but I do hope he isn't just conveniently swept under the rug & forgotten either. I think that is the core issue and big misunderstanding of this supposed big choice.
In my opinion Bioware already did a great job with Kieran and the whole old god stuff. Some like you may i disagree but you have to unterstand that Kieran is optional content. He only exists in certain player world states and new players without using the keep (i know it sounds unbelievable about 50% of the DAI players don´t have used the Keep) won´t even see him. So of course he can´t play a big important role in any DA game.
To DAI credit (and i criticise this game more than enough for other stuff) handled Morrigan, Flemeth and Kieran stories pretty well with those limitations. Also Kieran gets a nice conclusion with removing the old god from him. At the end he is just a normal Boy with a pretty strange family. And therefore i don´t see any reason why we should meet him in Tevinter at war with the Qunari.
I think it's rather likely that Morrigan will appear in DA4 (I personally hope she doesn't though). If she does then some questions about Kieran must be answered so his story is not over and concluded just because the Old God soul is gone. You say it's impossible for him to appear because he might not exist in some players world states. But we do have examples of Bioware bringing back quantum characters: Alistair has a cameo in every single game thus far, they brought back Wrex even though he could've been killed in ME1, Theron still has a prominent role in SWTOR even though he could be dead, etc, etc. By the way I'm personally fine with Kieran not returning as a companion (like I said I would prefer not to see Morrigan again either). But he's still an important character. Ferelden has no heir and he's one possible solution to that problem as well. He wasn't just special because of the Old God soul but also because of who he is and what his birthright potentially is.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 6, 2021 1:27:49 GMT
Again i believe that we get only one mortalitasi themed character and from the previous concept arts the skull guy seem to be an undead warrior. I think its more likely that our Mortalitasi companion could be Audric Felhausen. Audric was happily settling down to become a librarian at the end of his story, so I'd be surprised if he was the possessed dead/greater dead in the party. If he does show up then he would presumably be with Myrna, the mortalitasi Mourn Watcher whom he is bonded to. Making for two companions, unless he joins the PC because she died or something. He might be more an introduction to the idea. Regardless I'm personally anticipating either a Mourn Watcher Mortalitasi accompanied by a Greater Dead (in the form of a companion's companion/pet, mechanically speaking, or as a second whole companion) or a Greater Dead who has lost the mortalitasi they're bonded to and joined the party as a result.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 6, 2021 1:38:54 GMT
He doesn´t look for me atleast like a mage and i don´t think that Bioware will repeat the spirit / demon kind of companion after the Rogue Cole. I'm still not convinced these are meant to be the same character. The one in the water just looks like a guy in armour and a helmet to me. No sign of a flaming skull like head, or even just a skull for that matter. Flaming skull guy looks like he could be any class, he's just wearing a leather coat, can't see whether there is armour under there or not, can't see a weapon either. But his collar/hat looks alot like this guy whose dressed more mage like, that might just be Nevarran burial outfits though.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 6, 2021 8:20:35 GMT
I agree we’ll probably only get one, but I’m not convinced the concept art was of a warrior. It seemed to me like this might have been setup for some quest line focusing on the connection between these two necromancers after one of them dies. That could just be part of the plot in the Grand Necropolis though. He doesn´t look for me atleast like a mage and i don´t think that Bioware will repeat the spirit / demon kind of companion after the Rogue Cole Flaming skull guy looks like he could be any class, he's just wearing a leather coat, can't see whether there is armour under there or not, can't see a weapon either. But his collar/hat looks alot like this guy whose dressed more mage like, that might just be Nevarran burial outfits though. I think the main thing we can take from these stories is that the Mortalitassi are going to be involved in some way. Hopefully we will be going to the Grand Metropolis, which will have some significance to the main plot, but if nothing else someone from there will be involved with us. I think it is more likely that the character would be a mage. For a start off, the Mortalitasi are mages. Anyone else working there is just a regular guard, unless they were a Spirit Warrior, who doesn't necessarily have to be a spirit, just work with them. Even if it turns out we are getting a spirit companion, it would be interesting to have one who was able to focus entirely on spells as we have previously had a warrior and a rogue. However, Justice as a Spirit Warrior didn't really have as much development as a companion in a full game, and I have long said that they ought to revive the Spirit Warrior class now we are heading north. I was specifically thinking of Tevinter but, of course, it would make sense that the Grand Necropolis would have Spirit Warriors too. It does seem likely we are getting a Grey Warden companion but if that is Evka, what about Davrin? May be Evka, Antoine and Davrin will all be Wardens we meet when we go to Weisshauppt or alternatively Wardens we have to rescue from somewhere. Our involvement is likely to be linked to the strange pools in the the Deep Roads. With the focus on the Mortalitasi in Tevinter Nights and this short story, we have to have some sort of companion representing them. We know from the Dread Wolf Take You that they are involved in the hunt for Solas and their knowledge of the spirit world could prove important. The Crows also seem likely to be involved in some way and we will get either a current or ex-Crow as a companion. The plot hook with them is more likely to be the Qunari invasion. Then there are the Executors. We know very little about them but we know they have local recruits and they definitely seem opposed to Solas, though possibly for their own nefarious reasons and not necessarily because they don't approve of his plan to remove the Veil. If they are connected with Strife and Irelin, as suggested by the illustration to their short story, then it is possible we will get Strife as an elven companion, although I'd rather have Irelin. Lastly, there is the Qunari lady. It is interesting that there has been nothing about her in any of the associated literature (unless she is Rasaan) but she has appeared in enough concept art that she seems certain to appear. I rather like that they are keeping her under wraps as I like the aura of mystery about her. I hope they keep it that way so we can discover more about her in game.
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Post by Solas on Dec 6, 2021 13:26:55 GMT
watch the gray sludge in the evka antoine story that they talk about encountering have been to do with the gross gray fluid in horror of hormak. wouldnt surprise me if they encountered an area nearby to one of the other 11 ghil labs
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Post by mattjamho on Dec 6, 2021 14:26:22 GMT
If these short stories, and the ones before, are an indication of the tone and feel of DA4 I’ll be very happy.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 6, 2021 18:09:04 GMT
You say it's impossible for him to appear because he might not exist in some players world states. Correction i do not say this i said that he won´t play a major important role.
Of course Bioware can do an adult Kieran as Cameo but why should they do that? I don´t see the need why he should show up in Tevinter. Morrigan is also a quantum character because of her Origin romance so i doubt that we will hear much of her in Tevinter. But unlike Kieran she is always alive and well in every possible world state. Sorry that´s only from importance for (your) Cousland Warden and maybe Alistair or Loghain as father. But it doesn´t work for all of the other Origins. Again i have the feeling that you only see your world state.
Yes in your world state Kieran may be from importance but Bioware have to consider all of possible world state.
Also in the default one (not using the Keep) which around 50% of the DAI playerbase used Kieran doesn´t exist.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 6, 2021 18:15:33 GMT
watch the gray sludge in the evka antoine story that they talk about encountering have been to do with the gross gray fluid in horror of hormak. wouldnt surprise me if they encountered an area nearby to one of the other 11 ghil labs It was meant to be on the surface though and creatures around it just died rather than mutated. Unless you have to be tainted for it not to kill you. So that is why it worked in the Deep Roads on both darkspawn and Grey Wardens. Nevertheless, I did wonder when this story was meant to be taking place and for that matter the timescale for the stories in Tevinter Nights. The latest Mortalitassi story had a definite date to fix it in the timeline but none of the others have, apart from Three Trees to Midnight because that was set just after the fall of Ventus and that was in 9:45. In Tevinter Nights Evka and Antoine were heading back to Weisshauppt as the result of an urgent recall, which we assumed might be connected with the Horror of Hormack and it did cross my mind when reading the latest Evka story about whether this was before or after returning to Weisshauppt.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 6, 2021 18:21:04 GMT
Audric was happily settling down to become a librarian at the end of his story, so I'd be surprised if he was the possessed dead/greater dead in the party. If he does show up then he would presumably be with Myrna, the mortalitasi Mourn Watcher whom he is bonded to. Making for two companions, unless he joins the PC because she died or something. He might be more an introduction to the idea.To be clear Audric has a chance to be our DA 4 companion but i agree with you that this skull character is a complete one. The helmet looks to me like a skull.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 6, 2021 18:33:22 GMT
However, Justice as a Spirit Warrior didn't really have as much development as a companion in a full game, and I have long said that they ought to revive the Spirit Warrior class now we are heading north. I was specifically thinking of Tevinter but, of course, it would make sense that the Grand Necropolis would have Spirit Warriors too. And that´s why i think that Skull has a better chance to be a warrior. A rogue directly after Cole doesn´t make much sense. I agree with you that we can´t rule out a Mortalitasi mage but we already two possessed mages and with Solas also a mage who talks to spirits / ghosts. A concept like Justice deserves another shot in a bigger game.
Also i assume that Justice is for most players the last companion to recruit because of the stupid questdesign in DAA. If you want Sigrun and Velanna as warden you have to recruit Justice as the last one.
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Post by Solas on Dec 6, 2021 19:53:56 GMT
latest evka story will be post tn evka story surely. in that story antoine was a recent warden recruit. by the new one hes been a warden long enough for them to fall in love and want to get married
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