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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 6, 2022 2:43:17 GMT
sorry for the confusion Talyn. The scene in two is a little confusing. Ash does get mad and walk away..so you have a choice: begin a new romance with someone else (and carry that through 3) or ride out the storm and patch things up with Ash.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 6, 2022 10:09:06 GMT
sorry for the confusion Talyn. The scene in two is a little confusing. Ash does get mad and walk away..so you have a choice: begin a new romance with someone else (and carry that through 3) or ride out the storm and patch things up with Ash. That it is, lol. Honestly, the romances in the MET should have been written better.
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Post by nogroson on Feb 6, 2022 10:33:02 GMT
sorry for the confusion Talyn. The scene in two is a little confusing. Ash does get mad and walk away..so you have a choice: begin a new romance with someone else (and carry that through 3) or ride out the storm and patch things up with Ash. Just to add to it and provide a complete description of the situation, it is true she walks away on Horizon, but if you romanced her in ME1, she then send you a mail and apologize. By the way, I'm not sure if it is still there, but on YouTube you can find a voiced version of the letter, I found it wonderful, look for it if you can. (just checked, it's still there: link) Also, even if you, after that, romance someone else in ME2, Ash is mad at you at the beginning in ME3, but you can fix things up and still romance her in ME3
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 6, 2022 14:23:01 GMT
sorry for the confusion Talyn. The scene in two is a little confusing. Ash does get mad and walk away..so you have a choice: begin a new romance with someone else (and carry that through 3) or ride out the storm and patch things up with Ash. It's okay. My Shep will remain loyal.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 6, 2022 14:23:36 GMT
sorry for the confusion Talyn. The scene in two is a little confusing. Ash does get mad and walk away..so you have a choice: begin a new romance with someone else (and carry that through 3) or ride out the storm and patch things up with Ash. Just to add to it and provide a complete description of the situation, it is true she walks away on Horizon, but if you romanced her in ME1, she then send you a mail and apologize. By the way, I'm not sure if it is still there, but on YouTube you can find a voiced version of the letter, I found it wonderful, look for it if you can. (just checked, it's still there: link) Also, even if you, after that, romance someone else in ME2, Ash is mad at you at the beginning in ME3, but you can fix things up and still romance her in ME3 Thanks for the link I'll check it out.
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I like Liara, she’s one of my favourite characters and squaddies from the original trilogy, but it is hilarious to me how hard Mac Walters the developers and writers work to make me not like her based on their choices, decisions, and preferences that come at the expense of both story and other characters and their development and screen time.
If I’m being truthful to myself, I only really started to like Liara properly during ME3, where she has the most screen time of any squadmate, but this when in all my playthroughs I was already pretty much locked in with Kaidan, and hers and Shepard’s interactions finally started feeling more friendly and platonic, and not the unrequited love that saturated all of ME1 and ME2 if you don’t romance her. I wish there could have been more of this beforehand, as opposed to her just being obsessively in love with Shepard irrespective of your choices or preferences.
I get that it’s par for the course at this point, especially with the direction ME5 is seemingly going in, they are dead set on Liara being the mascot for this franchise which I’m fine with if it was just based on her character but so much of her being in everything Mass Effect based seems to come from the male developers clear obsession with her and them semi projecting and wish fulfilling Liara being as in love with Shep as ever going forward.
It’s a shame cause I think Liara has and still does have so much potential as a character independent of Shepard (she’s a space archaeologist for crying out loud) but so much of her characterisation and journey is completely predicated on Shepard whilst ignoring player choice that it’s no wonder she’s an alienating character to so much of the fandom.
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Post by damdil on Feb 6, 2022 15:25:12 GMT
When I first played Mass Effect 1 for the very first, I romanced Liara but the more I played the more I was kinda turned off by her shameless flaunting and throwing herself at you especially in 1. So I turned to romancing Ash. Then ME 2 came out and I was hurt by how Ash totally dumped me, so even when playing I looked for someone else to romance. It was then that I discovered Jack, and I have romanced Jack (playing as default appearance of John Shepard) ever since. Playing as FemShep.... I tried Kaiden's romance and I enjoyed it. For my FemShep playthrough it's either Kaiden or Traynor....and 9 x out of 10, I romance Traynor. But mostly I play as John and romance Jack. I see Liara as a really, really close friend but nothing more. That's a good point and imo it doesn't only show in ME 1. After finishing the LE completely I can say that it's a quite common theme through the game that Liara is somewhat throwing herself at Shepard. I romanced Liara in LE 1 and went for Tali in LE2+3, who is my favorite LI by far. Still, in the Shadow Broker dlc it's seemingly harder to not rekindle the romance with Liara than anything else and in LE 3 you also get options for that right out of the gate even if she gets rejected in LE2 (and again halfway through the LE3 if I'm not mistaken). Also, her interaction in the base camp during the final mission in LE 3 strongly hints that she still only has feelings for Shepard. This all stands in contrast to the other possible LIs at least in ME 3, since for example Ashely has at least a fling with James (which you can weirdly enough reinforce in the Citadel dlc), Tali and Garrus have something similar if they aren't romanced by a MShep/FShep etc. On a side note, as far as I know Liara also is the only "true" romance option if you haven't romanced anyone before which also somewhat fortifies her position as the canon romance. But still, as I stated in my previous post, at least for Tali I don't really think that you get the short end of the stick if you take her over Liara however it surely looks different for a lot of the other LI's like Miranda etc.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 7, 2022 0:46:05 GMT
When I first played Mass Effect 1 for the very first, I romanced Liara but the more I played the more I was kinda turned off by her shameless flaunting and throwing herself at you especially in 1. So I turned to romancing Ash. Then ME 2 came out and I was hurt by how Ash totally dumped me, so even when playing I looked for someone else to romance. It was then that I discovered Jack, and I have romanced Jack (playing as default appearance of John Shepard) ever since. Playing as FemShep.... I tried Kaiden's romance and I enjoyed it. For my FemShep playthrough it's either Kaiden or Traynor....and 9 x out of 10, I romance Traynor. But mostly I play as John and romance Jack. I see Liara as a really, really close friend but nothing more. That's a good point and imo it doesn't only show in ME 1. After finishing the LE completely I can say that it's a quite common theme through the game that Liara is somewhat throwing herself at Shepard. I romanced Liara in LE 1 and went for Tali in LE2+3, who is my favorite LI by far. Still, in the Shadow Broker dlc it's seemingly harder to not rekindle the romance with Liara than anything else and in LE 3 you also get options for that right out of the gate even if she gets rejected in LE2 (and again halfway through the LE3 if I'm not mistaken). Also, her interaction in the base camp during the final mission in LE 3 strongly hints that she still only has feelings for Shepard. This all stands in contrast to the other possible LIs at least in ME 3, since for example Ashely has at least a fling with James (which you can weirdly enough reinforce in the Citadel dlc), Tali and Garrus have something similar if they aren't romanced by a MShep/FShep etc. On a side note, as far as I know Liara also is the only "true" romance option if you haven't romanced anyone before which also somewhat fortifies her position as the canon romance. But still, as I stated in my previous post, at least for Tali I don't really think that you get the short end of the stick if you take her over Liara however it surely looks different for a lot of the other LI's like Miranda etc. In my quest for finding my Shepard's canon romance I've romanced Liara all the way through the trilogy in my two playthroughs. I am now playing ME2 and romanced Ash in ME1. I was planning on romancing Miranda in a future playthrough. But now I read you say she gets the short end of the stick. Which romances do you think are better for maleShep. I know about Garrus for femShep.
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Post by obbie1984 on Feb 7, 2022 5:59:27 GMT
It's more a case that other characters just do not have as much content as her. If you like Ash/Kaidan. Too bad. They are entirely absent from ME2 and the first half of ME3. If you like Tali, she's a squadmate you get much later in both ME2 and ME3. If you have the hots for Wrex, well there's something wrong with you. ME2 exclusive characters get a really short stick here. Miranda gets it the best, but everyone else feels so limited in comparison. Especially Thane. Garrus is maybe the only one that can come close to Liara.
I would be ok with Liara having more content if they didn't force Liara down your throat for Shepards that didn't care about her. No matter if you got Liara last in ME1, she will always be the ONLY one to save you in ME2. Not even Kaidan or Ash care as much apparently if you loved them or they were your best friend. Even if you are strictly professional or dislike her, you hug her and act buddy buddy with her on her DLC mission. Trading really terrible "witty banter." She is the only one who understands your plight in ME2 and sees that everyone else is too "short sighted" to get what you're doing. And in ME3, she gets the most humanizing scenes with Shepard and is forced on your squad the most.
The most irritating is when she just comes up to your room whenever and plants her ass in Miranda's old room with no choice from you. Since I only have Kaidan alive, Ash is not an option for me and I always romance Miranda over Tali. So I get the added bonus of her coming to my rescue in ME3 Citadel DLC even if I never talked to her ever. The bias would be tolerable if I didn't have to have her still forced on me several times throughout the series.
The series is certainly lacking in choice, and Liara is a prime example of nothing you doing matters.
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Post by trinity0 on Feb 7, 2022 15:10:48 GMT
In ME3 she is on your ship for the same reason Vega and EDI are there.
Tali and Garrus can die in ME2 and Ashley/Kaidan can be killed in ME3 and Javik is a DLC Char.
Without Liara, Vega and EDI it could had happen that Shepard is on his/her own in ME3
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 7, 2022 16:04:13 GMT
It's more a case that other characters just do not have as much content as her. If you like Ash/Kaidan. Too bad. They are entirely absent from ME2 and the first half of ME3. If you like Tali, she's a squadmate you get much later in both ME2 and ME3. If you have the hots for Wrex, well there's something wrong with you. ME2 exclusive characters get a really short stick here. Miranda gets it the best, but everyone else feels so limited in comparison. Especially Thane. Garrus is maybe the only one that can come close to Liara. I would be ok with Liara having more content if they didn't force Liara down your throat for Shepards that didn't care about her. No matter if you got Liara last in ME1, she will always be the ONLY one to save you in ME2. Not even Kaidan or Ash care as much apparently if you loved them or they were your best friend. Even if you are strictly professional or dislike her, you hug her and act buddy buddy with her on her DLC mission. Trading really terrible "witty banter." She is the only one who understands your plight in ME2 and sees that everyone else is too "short sighted" to get what you're doing. And in ME3, she gets the most humanizing scenes with Shepard and is forced on your squad the most. The most irritating is when she just comes up to your room whenever and plants her ass in Miranda's old room with no choice from you. Since I only have Kaidan alive, Ash is not an option for me and I always romance Miranda over Tali. So I get the added bonus of her coming to my rescue in ME3 Citadel DLC even if I never talked to her ever. The bias would be tolerable if I didn't have to have her still forced on me several times throughout the series. The series is certainly lacking in choice, and Liara is a prime example of nothing you doing matters. 👆This right here. You made some excellent points so plus one like 👍.
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Post by damdil on Feb 7, 2022 18:48:35 GMT
That's a good point and imo it doesn't only show in ME 1. After finishing the LE completely I can say that it's a quite common theme through the game that Liara is somewhat throwing herself at Shepard. I romanced Liara in LE 1 and went for Tali in LE2+3, who is my favorite LI by far. Still, in the Shadow Broker dlc it's seemingly harder to not rekindle the romance with Liara than anything else and in LE 3 you also get options for that right out of the gate even if she gets rejected in LE2 (and again halfway through the LE3 if I'm not mistaken). Also, her interaction in the base camp during the final mission in LE 3 strongly hints that she still only has feelings for Shepard. This all stands in contrast to the other possible LIs at least in ME 3, since for example Ashely has at least a fling with James (which you can weirdly enough reinforce in the Citadel dlc), Tali and Garrus have something similar if they aren't romanced by a MShep/FShep etc. On a side note, as far as I know Liara also is the only "true" romance option if you haven't romanced anyone before which also somewhat fortifies her position as the canon romance. But still, as I stated in my previous post, at least for Tali I don't really think that you get the short end of the stick if you take her over Liara however it surely looks different for a lot of the other LI's like Miranda etc. In my quest for finding my Shepard's canon romance I've romanced Liara all the way through the trilogy in my two playthroughs. I am now playing ME2 and romanced Ash in ME1. I was planning on romancing Miranda in a future playthrough. But now I read you say she gets the short end of the stick. Which romances do you think are better for maleShep. I know about Garrus for femShep. I can't tell you for sure since I never gone through the Miranda romance. However if you played ME 3 you know that she (and alot of the rest from the ME 2 cast) gets degraded to a quest npc mostly, so she isn't a party member and therefore not a "true" LI if you want to put it that way. Reading the post of obbie1984, he probably could tell if it's worth to go for Miranda.
My favorite male shep romance by far for ME2+3 is Tali Zorah since imo the pacing of the whole thing feels a lot more natural, especially if your shep is more into something serious, it's coming with a quite genuine tone and also those "young and fresh love" vibes. The biggest downside is that imo the whole Quarian/Geth storyline developes somewhat horribly in ME 3. Also I was quite surprised, given the last Bioware game I played before being DA Origins, that there is overall very little reaction from your team and the whole environment towards a Quarian-Human relationship. Although it seems that, from what we see in the game, it is probably something super rare and Tali is one of the leading political figures of her people. You'd think that this would rise some attention/reaction frome someone.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 7, 2022 19:40:01 GMT
Liara IS original trilogy.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 7, 2022 20:19:15 GMT
In my quest for finding my Shepard's canon romance I've romanced Liara all the way through the trilogy in my two playthroughs. I am now playing ME2 and romanced Ash in ME1. I was planning on romancing Miranda in a future playthrough. But now I read you say she gets the short end of the stick. Which romances do you think are better for maleShep. I know about Garrus for femShep. I can't tell you for sure since I never gone through the Miranda romance. However if you played ME 3 you know that she (and alot of the rest from the ME 2 cast) gets degraded to a quest npc mostly, so she isn't a party member and therefore not a "true" LI if you want to put it that way. Reading the post of obbie1984 , he probably could tell if it's worth to go for Miranda.
My favorite male shep romance by far for ME2+3 is Tali Zorah since imo the pacing of the whole thing feels a lot more natural, especially if your shep is more into something serious, it's coming with a quite genuine tone and also those "young and fresh love" vibes. The biggest downside is that imo the whole Quarian/Geth storyline developes somewhat horribly in ME 3. Also I was quite surprised, given the last Bioware game I played before being DA Origins, that there is overall very little reaction from your team and the whole environment towards a Quarian-Human relationship. Although it seems that, from what we see in the game, it is probably something super rare and Tali is one of the leading political figures of her people. You'd think that this would rise some attention/reaction frome someone.
Oh, I know that my ME2 squadmates were relegated to side characters. I just thought if I had had romance a squadmate from ME2 besides Tali, that in ME3 there would be a scene like when Shepard invites Liara unto the Normandy.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 7, 2022 21:42:34 GMT
I can't tell you for sure since I never gone through the Miranda romance. However if you played ME 3 you know that she (and alot of the rest from the ME 2 cast) gets degraded to a quest npc mostly, so she isn't a party member and therefore not a "true" LI if you want to put it that way. Reading the post of obbie1984 , he probably could tell if it's worth to go for Miranda.
My favorite male shep romance by far for ME2+3 is Tali Zorah since imo the pacing of the whole thing feels a lot more natural, especially if your shep is more into something serious, it's coming with a quite genuine tone and also those "young and fresh love" vibes. The biggest downside is that imo the whole Quarian/Geth storyline developes somewhat horribly in ME 3. Also I was quite surprised, given the last Bioware game I played before being DA Origins, that there is overall very little reaction from your team and the whole environment towards a Quarian-Human relationship. Although it seems that, from what we see in the game, it is probably something super rare and Tali is one of the leading political figures of her people. You'd think that this would rise some attention/reaction frome someone.
Oh, I know that my ME2 squadmates were relegated to side characters. I just thought if I had had romance a squadmate from ME2 besides Tali, that in ME3 there would be a scene like when Shepard invites Liara unto the Normandy. That was only reserved for Liara though, otherwise Ash and Kadian would have gotten that too in ME2.
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Post by damdil on Feb 7, 2022 21:51:05 GMT
As far as I know you will meet Miranda three times outside the Normandy if you don't count in the Citadel DLC. But you can't invite her on the Normandy or something like that.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 7, 2022 22:33:07 GMT
Liara IS original trilogy. Listen to yourself, you are being indoctrinated by Liara and the Reapers.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 8, 2022 0:50:14 GMT
Liara IS original trilogy. Listen to yourself, you are being indoctrinated by Liara and the Reapers. Or just by the Ansari alone, given their supposed ability to effect how people view them that's more likely.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 8, 2022 1:07:08 GMT
Listen to yourself, you are being indoctrinated by Liara and the Reapers. Or just by the Ansari alone, given their supposed ability to effect how people view them that's more likely. I have a Fan Theory that the Prothean Reaper Sleep Agents thru gene editing gave Asari an mild indoctrination ability and introduced Siari religion to them to spread into the new cycle. Lets face it, Reapers are Wasted Potential.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 8, 2022 1:26:33 GMT
Or just by the Ansari alone, given their supposed ability to effect how people view them that's more likely. I have a Fan Theory that the Prothean Reaper Sleep Agents thru gene editing gave Asari an mild indoctrination ability and introduced Siari religion to them to spread into the new cycle. Lets face it, Reapers are Wasted Potential. The reapers are a waste of bio matter and metal. 😆😆
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Post by Phantom on Feb 8, 2022 1:41:26 GMT
I have a Fan Theory that the Prothean Reaper Sleep Agents thru gene editing gave Asari an mild indoctrination ability and introduced Siari religion to them to spread into the new cycle. Lets face it, Reapers are Wasted Potential. The reapers are a waste of bio matter and metal. 😆😆 that is a given.
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Post by trinity0 on Feb 8, 2022 16:04:43 GMT
As far as I know you will meet Miranda three times outside the Normandy if you don't count in the Citadel DLC. But you can't invite her on the Normandy or something like that. Thats true.
And if you have Romanced Miranda the third meeting with Miranda at the Citadel has some Sexy Time included
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 13, 2022 22:54:59 GMT
Hmm. She may have been a favourite for old fans of the series, but I doubt that is true for people introduced to the OT via LE. I didn't decide to give ME a try until 2016 and immediately disliked her. That said I was in my mid thirties, so maybe fan age is a factor. I'd be very interested in seeing the results of a poll from new players, and not old ones.  Well I first played the ME series when the Legendary Edition was released last summer. So I am a relatively new fan, and I like Liara. But that is because of two things one, she has a sweet personality, and two, she's an archeologist and historian. I am a history buff in real life and always wanted to be an archeologist, so when I had to choose between Ashley or Liara, I chose Liara each time. I've only completed the trilogy two times and romanced Liara twice and no one else. I have a game in progress and romanced Ashley, but I have not completed that playthrough yet. She may be 'sweet' in the first game, but she seems to suffer from multiple personality disorder to me. That 'sweet archaeologist' is never seen again after ME1. She goes full on Godfather in ME2, and then utterly useless and dull in ME3 since she's neither an archaeologist nor an info broker anymore. But to each their own. After romancing Ashley, Jack and Miranda I've decided I prefer Kaidan. (I only play M!Shep)
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 13, 2022 23:29:49 GMT
Well I first played the ME series when the Legendary Edition was released last summer. So I am a relatively new fan, and I like Liara. But that is because of two things one, she has a sweet personality, and two, she's an archeologist and historian. I am a history buff in real life and always wanted to be an archeologist, so when I had to choose between Ashley or Liara, I chose Liara each time. I've only completed the trilogy two times and romanced Liara twice and no one else. I have a game in progress and romanced Ashley, but I have not completed that playthrough yet. She may be 'sweet' in the first game, but she seems to suffer from multiple personality disorder to me. That 'sweet archaeologist' is never seen again after ME1. She goes full on Godfather in ME2, and then utterly useless and dull in ME3 since she's neither an archaeologist nor an info broker anymore. But to each their own. After romancing Ashley, Jack and Miranda I've decided I prefer Kaidan. (I only play M!Shep) I get what you're saying. I too only play as broShep and am still trying to decide on a canon romance for myself. The two times I played I romanced Liara both times. In my current playthrough I've romanced Ash. In subsequent playthroughs I hope to romance Miranda, Jack, and Tali.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 13, 2022 23:52:35 GMT
She may be 'sweet' in the first game, but she seems to suffer from multiple personality disorder to me. That 'sweet archaeologist' is never seen again after ME1. She goes full on Godfather in ME2, and then utterly useless and dull in ME3 since she's neither an archaeologist nor an info broker anymore. But to each their own. After romancing Ashley, Jack and Miranda I've decided I prefer Kaidan. (I only play M!Shep) I get what you're saying. I too only play as broShep and am still trying to decide on a canon romance for myself. The two times I played I romanced Liara both times. In my current playthrough I've romanced Ash. In subsequent playthroughs I hope to romance Miranda, Jack, and Tali. Not to put you off, but I honestly think Ashley's is the worst romance for M!Shep. She doesn't seem to get over the trust issues like Kaidan does, so the whole relationship just seems really unhealthy to me. You just know that they'll be one of those couples who argue about everything lol. I definitely recommend Jack. She goes through quite a bit of character growth, which makes seeing her again, in her role in ME3 a little bit more plausible. 
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