Is There Too Much Content For Liara?

There is not Really some extra interaction with Jack in ME3 if you romanced her in ME2

To his credit, Kaidan also tries to understand the Illusive Man, after you rescue the Scientists. He wants to believe that there is more to TIM than just a hatred of Aliens. That Kaidan is willing to ask questions about him, proves that he's a deep thinker and doesn't just accept what's right in front of him.

As for Jack, I think she grows emotionally. But I agree that one person shouldn't have such a drastic effect on her. I honestly try not to think too much about her being a 'teacher', -and an Alliance teacher at that-  in ME3. It just stretchers my suspension of disbelief to breaking, just like Liara becoming a ruthless information broker/Godfather figure, capable of giving James Bond and Michael Corleone a run for their money.
The Citadel tattoo scene was lovely, but don't forget the Armax Arena scene. It's especially good if you're a Biotic.

Ashley's character was done very badly in ME3, but I blame that on her having a different writer. And the new one clearly had no care for her, hence she became Space Barbie, and had no real interaction with other other crew.

I maybe a bit bias here since I now only romance Kaidan, but I agree with you on the 'brother' character. His relationship with Shepard seems to flow more naturally. They start as CO and subordinate, but then they become friends, and at least in my games, progress to lovers. It flows very naturally.

She has too much for me but then I play ME3 and there are some good things with her. I can only dislike her for so long but after a certain point in the game she stops annoying me. I took her and Kaidan to visit the Leviathan. Something about the very short exchange between she and Kaidan about dropping into the ocean felt right, like there was a connection of some sort. Also, by the end, in London, I can't not see her as a friend. As annoying as she always was the reality is that she was as good of a friend as he could ask for. She never judged him. My dislike of her is for other reasons, less to do with her behavior toward Shepard (except in ME1, when she tried to steal you from A/K if you were heading toward a romance with them) and more with how she was written pretty much as a Mary Sue. But she did help him however she could and was willing to stand by his side despite having had her Shadow Broker network practically shredded and trying to keep it together.

This is one of my more charitable feelings toward her. Next time I'll probably hate her again.

There is no friend stuff at all. After she decides it would be a good thing to display Shepard's armor and not make any effort to inform anyone about Shepard being in the hands of Cerberus, whatever friendship there was went out the window. It's unfortunate Shepard couldn't ask her about those thing and other stuff. She is a character that cannot be trusted. 

As far as the charitable stuff is concerned. I like the idea of the time capsule. There is one other thing. I like the dialogue between her and Vega when on the geth dreadnought after talking with the trapped geth. 

Imo one of the reasons for not being received positively from parts of the "core fanbase" is how much her role concerning the main story got.. shortly put just inflated throughout the MET. In ME 1 her role was relatively small if I remember correctly, being the Prothean expert with not that much extra info or impact on the whole story. However, she is one of the mandatory squad mates while even characters like Garrus who became quite iconic to the franchise were completely optional here.

ME 2 is quite ambiguous since interesingly she starts out as a somehwat minor side character but with a quite lengthy dlc with a lot of focus on her relationship with Shepard. It also reveals the first case where she, more or less out of nowhere, gets an absolutely crucial role in the story. As she rescues Shepard's remains twice and then proceeds to give him/her to Cerberus for Project Lazarus. Meaning none of ME2 or 3 could have taken place the way they have without Liara's involvement. To begin with you could ask why the reclusive archaeologist would be so good at her new information broker job that she so easily outsmarts even the biggest competitor of all. And, which is quite curious, her motives and morales are basically always out of the question even after she becomes the Shadowbroker. While the original Shadowbroker is, without further ado, portrayed as villainous or atleast corrupted and complacent due to his great power. So this is where we're getting a lot of Mary Sue vibes for sure. Interesingly, none of the remaining squad members are that crucial for the story. Miranda's work is done as soon as we start the actual game, Mordin is needed for research on Reaper tech and apart from that each and every squad member is an option (but no must have) for the specialist roles during the suicide mission.

ME3 is, in that sense, Liara's grand finale since <1h into the game she joins you and reveals that she found the plans for the Crucible in an archive which has been investigating by droves of scientists for decades but ofcourse she finds the needed device in no time. Again in comparison, in ME3 more or less every other squad mates is interchangable if they happen to not survive ME2.

Apart from her going full Mary Sue, the icing on the cake for a lot of people was probably that she was more or less established as the "primary" LI for Shepard in ME 3 and maybe even already in ME 2. Since the majority of the ME 2 LIs got degraded to side characters with at times extremely little screen time (Jack, Jacob and Thane are probably the prime examples here). In this regard the Shadowbroker DLC is, again, quite curious as it basically aims at relieving her from her role as a side character in ME2 suddenly making her one of the most important characters storywise. There is nothing comparable for all other characters. It would be actually interesting to know if the decision to create the Shadowbroker DLC was there right from the start or came up later.

Well personally I would giggle to no end if Bioware revealed that she was indoctrinating everyone including them, the playerbase and everyone in the Mass Effect. It would be a proper troll move 

I know you weren't quoting from me in this response. I don't care that A/K was a dick to me in ME2. I kind of get it. Shepard had a unique experience regarding death/rebirth, separation from the Alliance and outright non-usefulness from the Alliance and Council, neither of who believed in the Reaper threat. A/K were also looking at "you disappeared, now you're alive and you're working with a group that turned people into husks on purpose" (yes, this happened in ME1). Their concerns were legitimate. As for the Shadow Broker, who says anyone former squadmate had to fill that role? The dlc wasn't integral to the game. Hell, you could have slotted in Liara's friend (the drell whose name escapes me) and it wouldn't have mattered.

Let's be honest. The writers had a thing for Liara. They made sure she was central to everything. It wasn't even possible to recruit Thane and Samara without her regardless of whether or not you played the dlc. That shouldn't have been necessary. An agent of the SB that we encounter could also have pointed us in the right direction, just like Barla Von was able to send you in the direction of Wrex (though you could find him without Barla Von). Imagine Barla Von on the Normandy? I can't but it would be funny.

Explain this twice you mention? As I recall, without information from Cerberus, she wouldn't have rescued anything. As far as the rescue thing. It's hard to rescue someone if they're already dead. If anything, it was recovery of the body.

I don't agree with that. She was never needed. Cerberus could have easily recovered Shepard remains without the asari being involved.

I would rather ask why she has a piece of Shepard's armor on display like it's some kind of prize and why she made no attempt to inform anyone Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. I would be curious what her answers would be. She had an agenda. Something that can't be asked. She also has mental issues. She has Shepard's dna placed in spots in her apartment. What was she going to do with that if for some reason Cerberus wasn't able to being Shepard back?

Did she find the plans? When first seeing her, she says she has discovered a weapon, one that could wipeout the reapers. To say that, she must have found the plans, studied them in detail to come up with that conclusion. The other thing is why didn't she send a copy to Hackett for his team to study? Then she says I think I found what we need. Make up your mind asari. Did you find plans or not? A couple minutes later, she tells A/K she found bits and pieces, clues really. In other words she never found any plans. I mentioned this to a poster who is a t'soni fan. She replied with the mission being BWT, bad writing theory. If she did find the plans, would they have not had Thessia being mentioned to find the catalyst? Isn't that how Cerberus were able to get to Thessia?

Not for me. After playing the busted dlc, my Shepard wanted nothing more to do with the asari. If I did romance her in ME1, I would have ended the relationship because of the crap in the broker dlc.

According to a poster, who hasn't posted on this forum in however long, mentioned Thane was to have a bigger role in ME3 until stuff had to be cut.

You do know the dlc is optional. right?

True as seen on Thessia.

What about the other characters. Jacob deserved a dlc. It can be called, How to win a prize. Legion could have a dlc called Life as a flashlight. Mordin could have a dlc, The best Salarian singer. Grunt gets a dlc, I am KROOOOOGAN. What about Lawson. Her dlc would be called, Here's a cheer for you. Even the honorable Mr. Rupert Gqardner, the greatest chef in the universe, deserved to have a dlc.

While true, it's some of the content she has that doesn't make sense for her to have.

Then the way to stop that is to destroy the asari. It's too bad the ponytail couldn't do that on Thessia.

The trilogy says otherwise. It says she isn't squadmate material. And if you believe her to be a bada**, then why did she end up flying on Kai Leng Airlines on Thessia?

Would they have been that way if the asari decided to inform the Alliance Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus? All she had to do was send the armor with a note saying Shepard's body is with Cerberus. They test the armor confirming that it does belong to Shepard. It's up to them to decide to tell A/K. If A/K were in a relationship with Shepard, why wouldn't t'soni tell them? Is it because she doesn't want to cause any friction between them? It's too bad, in ME3, Shepard couldn't tell them t'soni was involved with his/her body being put in the hands of Cerberus. It would be interesting to see/hear the reaction from A/K.

Why couldn't Barla Von take the role? Maybe Gianna Parasini

She should have been killed on Thessia. If both Garrus and Tali, and/or Javik is on the roster, she dies on Thessia. I would also add a scenario for Vega to be killed before reaching Earth or maybe have him killed during the mission on Earth.

The same can be said about t'soni. Shepard has the cipher. Instead of being locked up for 6 months, he/she heads to Mars to see if there's any clues to stopping the reapers. Shepard finds the plans. No t'soni needed. Or send her to Hackett. It's funny A/K can be sent to Hackett but not the asari. What can A/K provide that t'soni couldn't?

No. As soon as the word Cerberus is mentioned, they turn stupid without hearing an explanation. Of course it would have helped if Commander dumba** gave a better explanation. As I said above. How different would the scene had played out if they knew Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus? They might not have gone off the deep end like they did.

Hmmm. Feron could have done well as the broker. That could happen in the remake

I believe there was an article from a Bioware employee mentioning why they wanted the asari to be front and center.

What could Bioware do to have done things different with the asari? Not have involved with the recovery of Shepard's body. It never made sense. Oor have Shepard not die at the beginning of ME2. When meeting t'soni, she tells Shepard she believes the brokers people are after her. You end up killing one of them who has information leading to the whereabouts of the broker. When confronting him, he says he wants to help Shepard to defeat Shepard. The reason why he didn't confront t'soni face-toface is because there's some unknown group who are out to get rid of him. If Shepard's power of the voice is high enough, the broker hands over what he knows about the reapers and protheans. If not, he is killed. T'soni takes over. During ME3, she stays on the ship fedding any information to Shepard that can help with destroying the reapers. When the From Ashes dlc and Thessia missions happen, she shows up to be escorted to add whatever information she knows.

For me the character is crap. The worst part is the broker dlc. Instead of playing as Shepard, you end up playing as a dog being led around by some asari without question. Bioware told me she is more important then your LI when the broker threw his desk. Why is Shepard protecting the asari instead of his/her LI? If I was Taylor, Vakarian, Krios, Lawson, Jack, Tali, I would end the relationship right away since Shepard doesn't care about their safety except the safety of the asari. Then there's the dogtags. Bioware is telling me the asari is more important then Shepard's mother, for those playing as a spacer. There are 2 versions of the dogtags. If the asari is romanced, she will say she recovered them, but if not, she will say Hackett gave her the tags to give to Shepard. Several problems with that. How can you have 2 versions of the same event told by the same character? Hackett is a military man. It would know any personal items would be given to the immediate family and not some alien. What Bioware is telling me is they believe the alien is more important then Shepard's mother. What guarantee did he have that Shepard would meet t'soni? When did Hackett give the tags to t'soni? I don't believe he ever had the tags. She had them all along. She has proven she can't be trusted, so why should my Shepard believe her. This comes back to my number one pet peeve about Shepard. Not asking questions. Why not give the tags to A/K. if they romanced Shepard?

Look at ME3. Bioware went out of their way to put the character front and center. Why can't we question t'soni about who told her she can bring all that crap on the ship and put it in Miranda's office? Shepard can yell at Joker for making a joke after Thessia, but not yell at her for going after Javik blaming his species for what is happening on Thessia. Shepard can't yell at her for making that stupid comment about the Alliance providing air support. It was a perfect moment for an interrupt

Look at the ending of ME3. Before the cut, if you didn't romance A/K, it was always t'soni who shows up in the last flashback regardless of who is romanced. Fortunately that was the best thing the cut fixed. Even when she is killed by Harbinger, she will always be seen in the second flashback unless she is romance putting her in the third flashback.

Then there's the Citadel dlc. If in no romance, or romancing Jack, Miranda, Sam, Steve, t'soni shows up. What is bad about this is Steve is helping fight the crap 6 clowns in the archives yet isn't able to help Shepard at the car lot?

Well that would be nice headcanon. Maybe they might have a type of primarch within Mass Effect, Remember why Habringer was so obsessed with Shepard and why Sovereign upgraded  Saren and Why Reapers took an interest in Paul Greyson. Maybe that have a trait similar to a Primach

They don't really have a point but I can see where they're coming from. They're wrong but ignorant of the facts.


No reason given. You just had to go through her. She's the gatekeeper.

if Liara is the gatekeeper, whom is the Key? Yes this is a reference to a movie that has a recent 3rd movie and it was popular with the older members with.  You know that I like the idea that Liara being a Reaper Sleeper Agent.