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Post by damdil on May 5, 2022 13:10:12 GMT
As a general point please note that my post was not intended to defend the character of Liara in anyway. I guess it sounded like that at some points due to my not so good English skills.  Basically, what I meant was Liara being made essential in many ways for the MET due to the writing and not due to story-wise logical intrinsic reasons. Hope that wording makes sense. Regarding the Shadowbreaker DLC, my point was that Liara's special treatment here and in ME 3 at the expense of a lot of other (former) squad members is a big negative point. Funny you mentioned breaking up with her during the DLC if she was romanced in ME 1: I did exactly that since I liked Tali much more as Shep's LI, however it isn't really possible to break up with Liara in ME 2. Even if completely rejected in ME 2, in ME 3 you still have to break up with Liara again since the game will still count the romance as active if you romanced Liara in ME 1. On a side note I only romanced Liara in ME1 since it was basically my first PT with out a lot of insight of what is to come during the rest of the trilogy and also because I quite dislike Ashley tbh.
For your further arguments, I'd again like to point out that I agree with you and not knowing the lore or the games and dialogue by heart (like you do it would seem) I really can't debate about specifics concerning certain lines of dialogue. 
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 8, 2022 20:00:50 GMT
No, there is not enough content for Liara.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 17, 2022 20:05:08 GMT
No, there is not enough content for Liara. She has more content than any other squadmate. I guess you want a Liara game. Good luck with that.
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Post by mordokai on May 18, 2022 21:15:43 GMT
She has more content than any other squadmate. I guess you want a Liara game. Good luck with that. You are very confrontational and you like putting words into people's mouth, when they have said no such thing.
Pray tell... why do you do that?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 19, 2022 3:49:14 GMT
She has more content than any other squadmate. I guess you want a Liara game. Good luck with that. You are very confrontational and you like putting words into people's mouth, when they have said no such thing.
Pray tell... why do you do that?
Probably because I don't like Liara.
Edit: Also, took me three games to be able to bang Kaidan. Sorry if I have no sympathy for anyone who thinks Liara needs more content.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2022 4:01:08 GMT
No, there is not enough content for Liara. She has more content than any other squadmate. I guess you want a Liara game. Good luck with that. Some content she has doesn't make sense for her to have. Look at my post on the first page.
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Post by mordokai on May 19, 2022 20:09:44 GMT
Probably because I don't like Liara.
Edit: Also, took me three games to be able to bang Kaidan. Sorry if I have no sympathy for anyone who thinks Liara needs more content.
Ah yes, I seem to remember you saying something about liking Kaidan alot. Which is fair, I like him a lot. As unpopular as this opinion may be, I actually think he's pretty damn swell.
I also remember you being a part of the LGBTQ community. Your avatar would suggest as much. Which, man, I get it. It must be frustrating. For what is worth, I am sorry you had to wait so long. If I were gay, Kaidan would have been up there on my want-to-bang list.
Also, you said sorry, even if not in the context I would have like, so yeah... good enough for me.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 20, 2022 1:18:24 GMT
I also remember you being a part of the LGBTQ community. Your avatar would suggest as much. Which, man, I get it. It must be frustrating. For what is worth, I am sorry you had to wait so long. If I were gay, Kaidan would have been up there on my want-to-bang list. Did you know that in 8 years of being on these boards I've never had anymore once bring up my sexuality? Not that people don't know. My avatars always have MShenko in them. And my playthroughs always talk about the relationship with MShep and Kaidan. And people have even made comments about how there could be more stuff with Kaidan because of me. But no one ever brought it up in those terms. Not complaining but it's so weird to see it labelled that way here. I'm so used to just being "some guy like the rest of us who loves Mass Effect". Besides, most of the gays that used to be here but left for another forum both stopped talking to me and banned me from their forum. Happens when you don't fall in line. Anyway, it was a thing I noticed and thought was sort of funny. However, looking back through the thread, someone pointed out it's less that Liara has too much content and more that no one else has enough. |
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Post by mordokai on May 23, 2022 17:54:31 GMT
Did you know that in 8 years of being on these boards I've never had anymore once bring up my sexuality? Not that people don't know. My avatars always have MShenko in them. And my playthroughs always talk about the relationship with MShep and Kaidan. And people have even made comments about how there could be more stuff with Kaidan because of me. But no one ever brought it up in those terms. Not complaining but it's so weird to see it labelled that way here. I'm so used to just being "some guy like the rest of us who loves Mass Effect". Besides, most of the gays that used to be here but left for another forum both stopped talking to me and banned me from their forum. Happens when you don't fall in line. Anyway, it was a thing I noticed and thought was sort of funny. I don't do the whole "discretion" thing well, especially when I'm drunk  I recognize the value of being politically correct, but I just don't do it well. Which is probably why I mostly hold my tongue in human to human interaction
And hey, I'll be the first one to admit that.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 24, 2022 5:58:55 GMT
I don't do the whole "discretion" thing well, especially when I'm drunk  I recognize the value of being politically correct, but I just don't do it well. Which is probably why I mostly hold my tongue in human to human interaction It's not discretion. Like I said, there's absolutely no secrets or pretense. It's more about how no one cares. |
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Post by Primitive God on Jun 29, 2022 3:23:46 GMT
Yes there is. The fact that's she's the default " having a bad day Shepard" squad mate in citadel boils my piss. That's why I like recruiting her last in me1. Delaying her over bombardment is always a good thing. Plus you get to be an asshole to her. Something you can't do in following games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 12:15:57 GMT
To us, yes she does. To normal fans, maybe. To her fans(they are legions), No there is not enough content for her. Exactly this. For me, the absence of intimacy, connection, idle chatter... Liara, the being I have focused my energy on as the reason I fight for us, has fuck all to say to me on the Citadel. Hello Shepard? Uh, hi  ME3 Liara content was lacking. Then again, so was content for VS, Thane and several other key characters. The game they had no need to rush, but they wanted to capitalize on the surprising Mass Appeal of ME2. Success, the worst enemy for idiots in charge. |
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Post by qunaripenis on Aug 15, 2022 22:09:55 GMT
Yes. But also no because there's not enough content for the rest of the bangable squad in comparison, period.
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 19, 2022 23:11:05 GMT
I was always kinda hoping Kasumi had something more. Probably the nicest girl in the series, wears her battles suit better than Miranda, and is generally the most laid back girl and she's not an option? Lame. Even Samara gets something.
Like if you didn't let her keep the memories she should have had some content. Her moving on in ME3 and being able to be with Shepard (who she does have some flirty dialogue with) would have made the character less boring in ME3. In ME3, she's either still hung up on Keiji in almost a creepy kind of way, or still trying to convince us that Jacob is a good guy and telling us he is totally hot.
I would even have liked Maya or Emily in some capacity. Dammit Bioware, give us some variety in human females please.
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Post by winterking on Aug 22, 2022 12:47:52 GMT
My personal opinion is that the use of Liara for several cut scenes common to different playthroughs in ME3 ended harming her romance.
"I wish we could spend more time like this"
"As friends".
Said to a Shepard that might be in a relationship with her since ME1.
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Post by damdil on Aug 22, 2022 13:15:46 GMT
To us, yes she does. To normal fans, maybe. To her fans(they are legions), No there is not enough content for her. Exactly this. For me, the absence of intimacy, connection, idle chatter... Liara, the being I have focused my energy on as the reason I fight for us, has fuck all to say to me on the Citadel. Hello Shepard? Uh, hi ME3 Liara content was lacking. Then again, so was content for VS, Thane and several other key characters. The game they had no need to rush, but they wanted to capitalize on the surprising Mass Appeal of ME2. Success, the worst enemy for idiots in charge.
So we don't have Half-Live 3 because Gabe has the blues over some blue videogame character. Figures.
Generally spoken, in terms of npc interaction/romances the biggest problem the ME trilogy and also the Dragon Age games have is a way too large character roster. Taking ME 2 and DA:O as examples, they could have easily left out 50% of the crew mates available and given the rest of the cast a greater spotlight. What the ME trilogy is also lacking, excluding ME3, is that there is very few typical "party banter" in the game. I liked a lot that in DA:O, regardless of the members in your party, they'll regularly have some light non-mission related banter, also dicussing romance stuff going on in the camp etc which made everything much more lively.
However, Liara certainly doesn't fall short anywhere. While I don't know if Bioware planned to make the Shadowbreaker DLC anyway, you could say that the Liara romancer crowd had such a breakdown over Liara's role in ME2 that Bioware made (and ofcourse selled expensively) an extra DLC just for her.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2022 19:24:40 GMT
However, Liara certainly doesn't fall short anywhere. While I don't know if Bioware planned to make the Shadowbreaker DLC anyway, you could say that the Liara romancer crowd had such a breakdown over Liara's role in ME2 that Bioware made (and ofcourse selled expensively) an extra DLC just for her. Liara is the only one who isn't a squadmate that's guaranteed to be alive in ME2. She's also the love of Mac's life, which ties right back into her being unkillable. |
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 23, 2022 17:12:35 GMT
Part of the problem with Ash/Kaiden is that after Virmie they become pretty much the same character especially in ME2 they have the same dialogue other than a FEW bits of personalized dialogue and even then lines like Ash saying: "I'm an Alliance solider it's in my blood" also works for Kaiden because he states that his father served in the Alliance. So they became the same character with different genders and voice actors. They sort of finally separate after the coup in ME3 but by then it's too little too late for me. Whereas Liara doesn't have that she has her own character arc and even if the writing for Shepard who is in a romance with her in ME3 is at times one sided with Shepard treating it like a serious romance and Liara keeping it in the friend zone. I wished that they flirted with each other more and some time where they would say those 3 little words to each other LONG before dialogue leading up to the sex scene.
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 23, 2022 19:16:43 GMT
Part of the problem with Ash/Kaiden is that after Virmie they become pretty much the same character especially in ME2 they have the same dialogue other than a FEW bits of personalized dialogue and even then lines like Ash saying: "I'm an Alliance solider it's in my blood" also works for Kaiden because he states that his father served in the Alliance. So they became the same character with different genders and voice actors. They sort of finally separate after the coup in ME3 but by then it's too little too late for me. Whereas Liara doesn't have that she has her own character arc and even if the writing for Shepard who is in a romance with her in ME3 is at times one sided with Shepard treating it like a serious romance and Liara keeping it in the friend zone. I wished that they flirted with each other more and some time where they would say those 3 little words to each other LONG before dialogue leading up to the sex scene.
Kaidan and Ash are noticeably different pretty early on in ME3. You could argue they are different on Mars. But they really start showing differences during the first hospital visit when they are awake. It's even more noticeable if you romanced one of them. Then their differences permeate throughout the rest of the game. But in ME2 they are pretty much the same character. I always thought Kaidan made more sense in ME2 as he is a very by the books soldier who is extremely loyal to the alliance. But I also agree both VS gets kind of screwed over in the series.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 21:22:35 GMT
Exactly this. For me, the absence of intimacy, connection, idle chatter... Liara, the being I have focused my energy on as the reason I fight for us, has fuck all to say to me on the Citadel. Hello Shepard? Uh, hi ME3 Liara content was lacking. Then again, so was content for VS, Thane and several other key characters. The game they had no need to rush, but they wanted to capitalize on the surprising Mass Appeal of ME2. Success, the worst enemy for idiots in charge.
So we don't have Half-Live 3 because Gabe has the blues over some blue videogame character. Figures.
Generally spoken, in terms of npc interaction/romances the biggest problem the ME trilogy and also the Dragon Age games have is a way too large character roster. Taking ME 2 and DA:O as examples, they could have easily left out 50% of the crew mates available and given the rest of the cast a greater spotlight. What the ME trilogy is also lacking, excluding ME3, is that there is very few typical "party banter" in the game. I liked a lot that in DA:O, regardless of the members in your party, they'll regularly have some light non-mission related banter, also dicussing romance stuff going on in the camp etc which made everything much more lively.
However, Liara certainly doesn't fall short anywhere. While I don't know if Bioware planned to make the Shadowbreaker DLC anyway, you could say that the Liara romancer crowd had such a breakdown over Liara's role in ME2 that Bioware made (and ofcourse selled expensively) an extra DLC just for her.
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Post by Primitive God on Sept 11, 2022 8:10:52 GMT
Hannah McKay!! errr I mean Miranda is the best romance and needed more content
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 11, 2022 16:16:48 GMT
Yeah, Kasumi had the most potential out of the extraneous companions in my opinion. I didn't list her before because I think her Graybox plotline should've played a huge role in a (re-worked) ME2, but as it stands she's basically pointless also. Missed this somewhere...but I agree. Zaeed and Kasumi couldn't have any major impact on ME2 because they were optional DLC. They're included in MELE but that's many years after the fact. They could have been interesting had then been fully integrated. Miranda got more out of her LM if you push her to talk to Oriana than Zaeed and Kasumi got on the entirely of their combined LMs. |
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Basically, what I meant was Liara being made essential in many ways for the MET due to the writing and not due to story-wise logical intrinsic reasons. Hope that wording makes sense. Regarding the Shadowbreaker DLC, my point was that Liara's special treatment here and in ME 3 at the expense of a lot of other (former) squad members is a big negative point. Funny you mentioned breaking up with her during the DLC if she was romanced in ME 1: I did exactly that since I liked Tali much more as Shep's LI, however it isn't really possible to break up with Liara in ME 2. Even if completely rejected in ME 2, in ME 3 you still have to break up with Liara again since the game will still count the romance as active if you romanced Liara in ME 1. On a side note I only romanced Liara in ME1 since it was basically my first PT with out a lot of insight of what is to come during the rest of the trilogy and also because I quite dislike Ashley tbh. 
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