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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 31, 2020 3:45:51 GMT
Lol, the heavy-handed moralising is just a consequence of the game being made by SuckerPunch. The inFamous games had it too, in their "karma" system that I always found quite lame.
I haven't gotten to Act 3 yet, and I AM playing stealthily often, and resorting to "dishonorable" tactics, but I suspect getting lectured is still going to annoy me because:
1) I have no patience for arbitrary nonsense about what is or is not the right way to kill people, especially in the middle of a war. Like, I'm soooooo sorry that the child slavers didn't get advance warning before I cut off their heads. Pfft.
2) Not to mention, the in-game tendency of samurai to fanny about because "honour" is why they all got slaughtered in the first place. The mongols aren't fucking around.
3) I still can't fully forget that in actual history, samurai were often assholes, so I struggle to accept Shimura as a moral authority.
4) If you don't like how I do a job, you're free to do it your damn self.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2020 10:20:18 GMT
Just bought Ghost of Tsushima and man that game is so good! I'm currently on Act 1 doing side quests, liberate occupied Mongol territories, and acquire mythic relics and techniques. The game needed a patch to fix a few bugs though, but I'm loving the game so far.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 4, 2020 9:04:58 GMT
Just bought Ghost of Tsushima and man that game is so Good! I'm currently on Act 1 doing side quests, liberate occupied Mongol territories, and acquire mythic relics and techniques. The game needed a patch to fix the bugs through, but I'm loving the game so far. An excellent game indeed. Very enjoyable. Curious that you've bumped into bugs, I've been playing since launch day and have yet to encounter a bug.
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Post by Shepenwepet on Aug 4, 2020 14:11:05 GMT
Curious that you've bumped into bugs, I've been playing since launch day and have yet to encounter a bug. Oh, there are definitely bugs. I never ran into anything game-breaking, a quick save/reload would fix them. One I often encountered involved Jin seemingly invisibly attacking everything. Knocking people aside as if he ran into them, even though he was standing still. I'd summon my horse, it'd trot over to me, and then crumple as if I'd struck it. I couldn't operate sliding doors as they'd automatically tear to shreds as I moved near them. I'd press the button to interact with an NPC, it would make a rather brutal stabby noise. It would also mess with standoffs, it would make the 'winning' animation, the slo-mo sword swing, but the Mongol would just be standing off to the side, looking on with concern at the strange samurai wearing a basket on his head that was yelling and slicing the air. Again, a save/reload fixed it every time, but it did happen multiple times. I also had a minor bug with not being able to fast travel once, despite there being no reason I couldn't. It said I was in combat, but I wasn't. Saved/reloaded, fast travel was back. Anyway, great game, the only thing bad I have to say about it is that running around and filling out the map got a bit samey rather quickly, but that's on me. I could have left those question marks alone, but it was an easy platinum and I wanted it. And as someone who hates stealth sections in games, I played mostly without it until the beginning of act 3, which awoke the sleeping giant ghost. Yeah, screw honor.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 6, 2020 14:37:02 GMT
Good ol Joe, echoed my thoughts almost exactly(besides the final score). THe only other player on earth besides me who respects the path of honor.
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Post by biggydx on Aug 12, 2020 20:00:49 GMT
Assuming we're leaving out the color patterns you can buy from the merchant, I just finished 100% the game. Overall, I enjoyed the experience and found the main missions to be pretty fun; especially the Akamashi (hope that's right) Village quest; the one where you get Ghost stance.
Biggest downside I found was the lack of a lock-on, the tooltips not being detailed enough (how much is Minor, Major, and Massive?), and the collectibles - while more aesthetically pleasing to go after - didnt do much in the way of variation. Flower collecting is also a pain.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 13, 2020 12:55:04 GMT
So, um... am I the only one who thought that the ending was really lame and that Jin's uncle is a straight-up terrible person?
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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 13, 2020 23:46:35 GMT
I'm not close to finishing this despite putting in plenty of hours this past week or so. I've enjoyed my time so far with the game enough to know I'll see it through to completion, but it hasn't really grabbed me in the way I hoped it would.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 14, 2020 11:18:51 GMT
I finished the game and I have to say it was one of the best endings I've ever experienced. I'm looking foward to the sequel.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 16, 2020 12:20:34 GMT
Working gently through Act III.
Really enjoying the game.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 17, 2020 17:45:39 GMT
YOOO WTH, outta NOWHERE Sucker Punch!
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 17, 2020 17:48:07 GMT
So, um... am I the only one who thought that the ending was really lame and that Jin's uncle is a straight-up terrible person? I've no real comment on Shimura, since I at least logically understand he is basically forced to do it via politics, and if he does not the Shogun will have him executed. However, as I said before, I found Act 3 horribly lackluster in general, by and large, aside from a few side quests.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 17, 2020 22:09:54 GMT
YOOO WTH, outta NOWHERE Sucker Punch! Living up to their name. In a great way.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 17, 2020 22:21:42 GMT
So, um... am I the only one who thought that the ending was really lame and that Jin's uncle is a straight-up terrible person? I've no real comment on Shimura, since I at least logically understand he is basically forced to do it via politics, and if he does not the Shogun will have him executed. However, as I said before, I found Act 3 horribly lackluster in general, by and large, aside from a few side quests. If he sees that the system is unjust, then Shimura should rebel, imo. I don't see him as being "forced", so much as 1) wanting to keep his wealth and status over keeping his only family and 2) thinking that Jin genuinely deserves execution (for winning a war and saving countless lives, mind), but just being upset that he personally has to do it.
I have zero sympathy for his position. Especially when he, completely unironically, says shit like "you taught our people to disobey their leaders". If your "honor" system doesn't include compassion for and accountability to the people "beneath" you, then it's worthless and it *should* be dismantled.
If there's ever a sequel, I hope it focuses on addressing injustices perpetuated by the Shogunate.
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Post by dirtrider00 on Aug 18, 2020 2:30:20 GMT
I've no real comment on Shimura, since I at least logically understand he is basically forced to do it via politics, and if he does not the Shogun will have him executed. However, as I said before, I found Act 3 horribly lackluster in general, by and large, aside from a few side quests. If he sees that the system is unjust, then Shimura should rebel, imo. I don't see him as being "forced", so much as 1) wanting to keep his wealth and status over keeping his only family and 2) thinking that Jin genuinely deserves execution (for winning a war and saving countless lives, mind), but just being upset that he personally has to do it.
I have zero sympathy for his position. Especially when he, completely unironically, says shit like "you taught our people to disobey their leaders". If your "honor" system doesn't include compassion for and accountability to the people "beneath" you, then it's worthless and it *should* be dismantled.
If there's ever a sequel, I hope it focuses on addressing injustices perpetuated by the Shogunate. I think the most important scene in the game, at least for me, was one of the cut scenes between Shimura and young Jin when they were training. Shimura asked Jin what he thought honor meant for a samurai and Jin responded roughly that it was to help and protect the people and then Shimura says no, its to serve your Lord/Shogunate. Overall while I don't agree with Shimura, I think he stayed true to his belief in what he believed honor was at the end.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 18, 2020 8:18:27 GMT
Guys, please use spoiler tags if you're going to discuss the end of the game.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 18, 2020 10:45:09 GMT
Hilarious.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 18, 2020 10:48:53 GMT
I've no real comment on Shimura, since I at least logically understand he is basically forced to do it via politics, and if he does not the Shogun will have him executed. However, as I said before, I found Act 3 horribly lackluster in general, by and large, aside from a few side quests. If he sees that the system is unjust, then Shimura should rebel, imo. I don't see him as being "forced", so much as 1) wanting to keep his wealth and status over keeping his only family and 2) thinking that Jin genuinely deserves execution (for winning a war and saving countless lives, mind), but just being upset that he personally has to do it.
I have zero sympathy for his position. Especially when he, completely unironically, says shit like "you taught our people to disobey their leaders". If your "honor" system doesn't include compassion for and accountability to the people "beneath" you, then it's worthless and it *should* be dismantled.
If there's ever a sequel, I hope it focuses on addressing injustices perpetuated by the Shogunate. An important thing to remember, is Samurai are basically Klingons. It is a society built around fake honor. From a young age, (as we can tell from the game) young men are programmed to place this fake honor as their highest priority in life. Now as I'm sure you understand, when it comes to societal programming, it's not as simple as just making a choice to walk away from it all. As Jin said, Shimura is a slave to it. The man is much older than Jin, he's had far more experience living within this false honor system. Most people after a certain age is not able to simply 180 their entire life, and I think it's a little unfair to expect that.
Also, your desire to see the SHogun brought to heel is highly unlikely, given that they are loosely following historical account, and since Japan, historically supported the Shogun...All that is going to do is lead to a game where Jin is butchering his own people, something that would defy his entire purpose, in order to bring "justice" for...what? being noble? taxing peasants? ordering soldiers to die in battle, which is basically their job? I'm not really sure what "injustices" the Shogun has committed. Because according to the standards of the world THEY live in, he hasn't done anything except playing the political game, which every samurai in that society is forced to play.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Aug 18, 2020 11:22:10 GMT
MODERATOR POST
Guys, please use spoiler tags if you're going to discuss the end of the game. Indeed. I've spoilered a few of the most recent comments. Please bear in mind that spoilers can only be openly talked about in spoiler specific threads. Otherwise, use the spoiler tags. Thank you.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 18, 2020 11:24:55 GMT
If he sees that the system is unjust, then Shimura should rebel, imo. I don't see him as being "forced", so much as 1) wanting to keep his wealth and status over keeping his only family and 2) thinking that Jin genuinely deserves execution (for winning a war and saving countless lives, mind), but just being upset that he personally has to do it. I have zero sympathy for his position. Especially when he, completely unironically, says shit like "you taught our people to disobey their leaders". If your "honor" system doesn't include compassion for and accountability to the people "beneath" you, then it's worthless and it *should* be dismantled. If there's ever a sequel, I hope it focuses on addressing injustices perpetuated by the Shogunate. An important thing to remember, is Samurai are basically Klingons. It is a society built around fake honor. From a young age, (as we can tell from the game) young men are programmed to place this fake honor as their highest priority in life. Now as I'm sure you understand, when it comes to societal programming, it's not as simple as just making a choice to walk away from it all. As Jin said, Shimura is a slave to it. The man is much older than Jin, he's had far more experience living within this false honor system. Most people after a certain age is not able to simply 180 their entire life, and I think it's a little unfair to expect that.
Also, your desire to see the SHogun brought to heel is highly unlikely, given that they are loosely following historical account, and since Japan, historically supported the Shogun...All that is going to do is lead to a game where Jin is butchering his own people, something that would defy his entire purpose, in order to bring "justice" for...what? being noble? taxing peasants? ordering soldiers to die in battle, which is basically their job? I'm not really sure what "injustices" the Shogun has committed. Because according to the standards of the world THEY live in, he hasn't done anything except playing the political game, which every samurai in that society is forced to play. I mean, I obviously do not expect him to topple the feudal system. That would be absurd. Lol.
I'm obviously refering to a different justice than that of the shogunate, since I consider it an unjust system, that has neglected and abused the peasantry, and I think a sequel, if there ever is one, should investigate that.
It's not as if feudal Japan never had revolts, after all. Sucker Punch can just make one up, just like they made up the entire mongol invasion of Tsushima, which never happened irl.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 18, 2020 12:52:19 GMT
An important thing to remember, is Samurai are basically Klingons. It is a society built around fake honor. From a young age, (as we can tell from the game) young men are programmed to place this fake honor as their highest priority in life. Now as I'm sure you understand, when it comes to societal programming, it's not as simple as just making a choice to walk away from it all. As Jin said, Shimura is a slave to it. The man is much older than Jin, he's had far more experience living within this false honor system. Most people after a certain age is not able to simply 180 their entire life, and I think it's a little unfair to expect that.
Also, your desire to see the SHogun brought to heel is highly unlikely, given that they are loosely following historical account, and since Japan, historically supported the Shogun...All that is going to do is lead to a game where Jin is butchering his own people, something that would defy his entire purpose, in order to bring "justice" for...what? being noble? taxing peasants? ordering soldiers to die in battle, which is basically their job? I'm not really sure what "injustices" the Shogun has committed. Because according to the standards of the world THEY live in, he hasn't done anything except playing the political game, which every samurai in that society is forced to play. I mean, I obviously do not expect him to topple the feudal system. That would be absurd. Lol.
I'm obviously refering to a different justice than that of the shogunate, since I consider it an unjust system, that has neglected and abused the peasantry, and I think a sequel, if there ever is one, should investigate that.
It's not as if feudal Japan never had revolts, after all. Sucker Punch can just make one up, just like they made up the entire mongol invasion of Tsushima, which never happened irl. Yea...they didn't make that up.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 18, 2020 12:58:10 GMT
I mean, I obviously do not expect him to topple the feudal system. That would be absurd. Lol.
I'm obviously refering to a different justice than that of the shogunate, since I consider it an unjust system, that has neglected and abused the peasantry, and I think a sequel, if there ever is one, should investigate that.
It's not as if feudal Japan never had revolts, after all. Sucker Punch can just make one up, just like they made up the entire mongol invasion of Tsushima, which never happened irl. Yes, yes they actually did. Clearly I was misinformed, lol. I had been given to understand that all their attempts to land on Japan were thwarted by typhhons.
But I maintain that the game is far closer to fiction than fact, and, as I said, it's not as if there were never revolts, either.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 19, 2020 10:46:21 GMT
YOOO WTH, outta NOWHERE Sucker Punch! Sucker Punch does not fuck around.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 19, 2020 17:20:53 GMT
Hot damn, this cannot be. It is too grave a disturbance to the natural order.
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