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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Dec 30, 2022 9:44:35 GMT
It's going to be a deal breaker for me if they go down the Andromeda rabbit hole and put agenda before story and bug fixing as this is the deathknell for any game. Now i know people are going to come out in defense of Andromeda but it was a hot mess when it released and to deny that is putting them in the Flat earth or hollow earth category.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 30, 2022 11:51:44 GMT
If they try to make DA another open world I guess we can write ME off as well. You cant make open worlds with level designers and what they have doesnt seem to have learned, but mist of all there is no creative direction sparking the right ideas for it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 30, 2022 16:20:51 GMT
It's going to be a deal breaker for me if they go down the Andromeda rabbit hole and put agenda before story and bug fixing as this is the deathknell for any game. Now i know people are going to come out in defense of Andromeda but it was a hot mess when it released and to deny that is putting them in the Flat earth or hollow earth category. Where did MEA put agenda before story?
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Dec 30, 2022 17:44:58 GMT
It's going to be a deal breaker for me if they go down the Andromeda rabbit hole and put agenda before story and bug fixing as this is the deathknell for any game. Now i know people are going to come out in defense of Andromeda but it was a hot mess when it released and to deny that is putting them in the Flat earth or hollow earth category. Where did MEA put agenda before story? Sigh, you do realise this is going to end in a mud slinging contest don't you?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 30, 2022 18:10:18 GMT
Where did MEA put agenda before story? Sigh, you do realise this is going to end in a mud slinging contest don't you? I was asking out of genuine curiosity. Can you please answer?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 30, 2022 18:23:03 GMT
Where did MEA put agenda before story? Sigh, you do realise this is going to end in a mud slinging contest don't you? Doesn't it always?
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Dec 30, 2022 18:48:07 GMT
Sigh, you do realise this is going to end in a mud slinging contest don't you? I was asking out of genuine curiosity. Can you please answer? I don't think i will, find your base entertainment elsewhere. I'm entitled to my opinion and i feel no need to break it down for you. I have neither the time or patience to deal with such a blatant attempt to start an argument.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 30, 2022 18:51:44 GMT
I was asking out of genuine curiosity. Can you please answer? I don't think i will, find your base entertainment elsewhere. I'm entitled to my opinion and i feel no need to break it down for you. I have neither the time or patience to deal with such a blatant attempt to start an argument. Whatever. Forgive me for being genuinely curious. If anyone is actually willing to answer, I’d appreciate it.
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Post by blah23 on Jan 1, 2023 3:02:06 GMT
Don't put any shallow allegory of current political events totally unrelated to the story. Don't make characters whose characters based solely on their skin color or gender.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 1, 2023 6:29:33 GMT
Don't put any shallow allegory of current political events totally unrelated to the story. Don't make characters whose characters based solely on their skin color or gender. Examples please?
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Post by colfoley on Jan 1, 2023 11:16:02 GMT
When it comes to buying the next game don't really think there is a deal breaker. I'll give it a chance pretty much no matter what. As for the game itself when we get there and any potential future games? We shall see, again open to execution, though just entirely shafting the Andromeda story would be a pretty sore spot with me.
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Post by blah23 on Jan 1, 2023 12:17:22 GMT
Don't put any shallow allegory of current political events totally unrelated to the story. Don't make characters whose characters based solely on their skin color or gender. Examples please? Rings of Power has a scene revolves around immigration: Hainly Abrams, a character whose personality revolves around being a transgender and nothing else.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 1, 2023 13:27:15 GMT
Don't put any shallow allegory of current political events totally unrelated to the story. Don't make characters whose characters based solely on their skin color or gender. Sad thing is that it won't happen. Not until the whole thing burns down around them. Take Hollywood for example.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 1, 2023 15:34:06 GMT
Rings of Power has a scene revolves around immigration: Hainly Abrams, a character whose personality revolves around being a transgender and nothing else. Never watched RoP. And no, Hainly has most of their content have nothing to do with being trans. It was one conversation it comes up.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Jan 1, 2023 17:27:51 GMT
Rings of Power has a scene revolves around immigration: Hainly Abrams, a character whose personality revolves around being a transgender and nothing else. Never watched RoP. And no, Hainly has most of their content have nothing to do with being trans. It was one conversation it comes up. Prior to Patch 1.08, Hainly Abrams' reasons for coming to Andromeda can be easily learned during the first encounter with her. As a result of community feedback[1], BioWare reordered the conversation sequence to be unlocked only after gaining Hainly's trust by defrosting her fiancé. Originally it was pretty blatant.
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Post by blah23 on Jan 1, 2023 17:54:42 GMT
Never watched RoP. And no, Hainly has most of their content have nothing to do with being trans. It was one conversation it comes up. Prior to Patch 1.08, Hainly Abrams' reasons for coming to Andromeda can be easily learned during the first encounter with her. As a result of community feedback[1], BioWare reordered the conversation sequence to be unlocked only after gaining Hainly's trust by defrosting her fiancé. Originally it was pretty blatant. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 1, 2023 19:21:54 GMT
Never watched RoP. And no, Hainly has most of their content have nothing to do with being trans. It was one conversation it comes up. Prior to Patch 1.08, Hainly Abrams' reasons for coming to Andromeda can be easily learned during the first encounter with her. As a result of community feedback[1], BioWare reordered the conversation sequence to be unlocked only after gaining Hainly's trust by defrosting her fiancé. Originally it was pretty blatant. Still only one topic out of many you discuss with her, so still not making her character all about being trans.
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Post by hulluliini on Jan 2, 2023 9:27:57 GMT
Don't put any shallow allegory of current political events totally unrelated to the story. Don't make characters whose characters based solely on their skin color or gender. IMO Andromeda was just being inclusive. When you're gay, seeing a gay kiss on screen is just a normal thing and you don't think much of it. Ok, two people kissing, what's next? To a homophobic heterosexual it stands out as "characters being there just for the sake of being gay and doing lots of gay kissing, don't rub it in my face ffs". Just existing and being visible is seen as some sort of social commentary. But guess what, sexual and gender minorities have always existed, they were just hidden from plain view. It's still such an unusual sight to many people that the identity is all they see. Granted, the Hainly dialogue was not well done before the patch but it's not like the rest of the game had no quality issues. People are kind of used to games having bugs and glitches and poor dialogue but they're not used to transgender characters so it bothers them much more.
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Post by blah23 on Jan 2, 2023 12:33:16 GMT
Don't put any shallow allegory of current political events totally unrelated to the story. Don't make characters whose characters based solely on their skin color or gender. IMO Andromeda was just being inclusive. When you're gay, seeing a gay kiss on screen is just a normal thing and you don't think much of it. Ok, two people kissing, what's next? To a homophobic heterosexual it stands out as "characters being there just for the sake of being gay and doing lots of gay kissing, don't rub it in my face ffs". Just existing and being visible is seen as some sort of social commentary. But guess what, sexual and gender minorities have always existed, they were just hidden from plain view. It's still such an unusual sight to many people that the identity is all they see. Granted, the Hainly dialogue was not well done before the patch but it's not like the rest of the game had no quality issues. People are kind of used to games having bugs and glitches and poor dialogue but they're not used to transgender characters so it bothers them much more. I don't care how many LGBTQABCXYZ+ characters they made as long as they have more personality than just the gender they identify. Modern western storytelling these days only put emphasis on gender and skin color of a character as a mere shield to criticism.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 2, 2023 16:22:37 GMT
I don't think i will, find your base entertainment elsewhere. I'm entitled to my opinion and i feel no need to break it down for you. I have neither the time or patience to deal with such a blatant attempt to start an argument. Whatever. Forgive me for being genuinely curious. If anyone is actually willing to answer, I’d appreciate it.
My GUESS in a bad parody form: "I don't like how left-wing politics being considered paragon (aka good) and right-wing conservative politics being considered renegade (aka bad). The fact that it won't a dumb apolitical sci-fi action MP game, where you can shoot aliens, robots and that the writers have their own political biases. opinions, and beliefs and that they want to express and share them in a *shock* a story where you might have to think about it. Plus BioWare games are so gay with so many LGBTQ+ characters and romances options with the lead protagonist and the various squadmates and those LGBT characters in the background in ME3 and MEA and you know that BioWare will try to put another transgender character and make them a romance or the PC going to a drag show, being into cross dressing. They make all the straight women ugly and unattractive with no big boobs and butts so I can't jack off in the sex scenes. And I don't like being forced to play as a female character that isn't white because BioWare will make a black-Asian Femshep and a Latino/Native American Sara Ryder the official canon versions because of SJWs forced diversity is ruining video games, pop culture and that ultimately will lead to downfall to Western civilization! Won't someone please think of the children?!"
I've heard all this shit before and sadly I will hear it again and I no longer have the time or patience to deal with that shit and the people who spout it. And hey if I wrong and/or I hurt your feelings then I'm sorry. But when you say something like "ME had and/or has an agenda" that is often been code for "I don't like LGBT characters/romances" and/or I don't like how some politics are presented". So here is some simple friendly advice for you in the future when use a somewhat loaded term like that either explain what you mean and try not to be a jerk about it or just don't post it if you're unable (do to time, family, internet connection, life in general) or unwilling defend your position because you think it'll make you look like bad. Because saying that "ME has an agenda that I don't agree with" is you asking basically asking for a debate or a fight and either one of those aren't hard to find here.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jan 2, 2023 17:39:31 GMT
Personally, I would appreciate it if Mass Effect focused more on the SCIENCE part of science fiction rather than trying to water everything down and make it a human world filled with humans and humans in rubber masks.
Aliens that are alien. A narrative focused more on exploration and discovery and less on romance options with “young” and “plucky” characters.
Not to say that romance and character exploration should be completely ignored but it would be nice to have a Mass Effect that was more ‘The Expanse’ or ‘The Arrival’ and less ‘The Citadel’ or Independence Day Resurgence’.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Jan 2, 2023 18:44:48 GMT
Personally, I would appreciate it if Mass Effect focused more on the SCIENCE part of science fiction rather than trying to water everything down and make it a human world filled with humans and humans in rubber masks. Aliens that are alien. A narrative focused more on exploration and discovery and less on romance options with “young” and “plucky” characters. Not to say that romance and character exploration should be completely ignored but it would be nice to have a Mass Effect that was more ‘The Expanse’ or ‘The Arrival’ and less ‘The Citadel’ or Independence Day Resurgence’. Omg this, and turn down the human centrism.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 2, 2023 19:11:43 GMT
Personally, I would appreciate it if Mass Effect focused more on the SCIENCE part of science fiction rather than trying to water everything down and make it a human world filled with humans and humans in rubber masks. Aliens that are alien. A narrative focused more on exploration and discovery and less on romance options with “young” and “plucky” characters. Not to say that romance and character exploration should be completely ignored but it would be nice to have a Mass Effect that was more ‘The Expanse’ or ‘The Arrival’ and less ‘The Citadel’ or Independence Day Resurgence’. Someone give this a guy a cookie, 'cause he nailed it. 👍👍👍
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 3, 2023 2:43:16 GMT
Personally, I would appreciate it if Mass Effect focused more on the SCIENCE part of science fiction rather than trying to water everything down and make it a human world filled with humans and humans in rubber masks. Aliens that are alien. A narrative focused more on exploration and discovery and less on romance options with “young” and “plucky” characters. Not to say that romance and character exploration should be completely ignored but it would be nice to have a Mass Effect that was more ‘The Expanse’ or ‘The Arrival’ and less ‘The Citadel’ or Independence Day Resurgence’. Omg this, and turn down the human centrism. If we get a new protagonist, hopefully they will include race selection which will eliminate the human centrism. Both in the MW and Andromeda humans are equals now, so no need to focus on them specifically. And don’t do another “humans are superspecialawesome” like ME2 did.
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Post by hulluliini on Jan 3, 2023 8:32:47 GMT
IMO Andromeda was just being inclusive. When you're gay, seeing a gay kiss on screen is just a normal thing and you don't think much of it. Ok, two people kissing, what's next? To a homophobic heterosexual it stands out as "characters being there just for the sake of being gay and doing lots of gay kissing, don't rub it in my face ffs". Just existing and being visible is seen as some sort of social commentary. But guess what, sexual and gender minorities have always existed, they were just hidden from plain view. It's still such an unusual sight to many people that the identity is all they see. Granted, the Hainly dialogue was not well done before the patch but it's not like the rest of the game had no quality issues. People are kind of used to games having bugs and glitches and poor dialogue but they're not used to transgender characters so it bothers them much more. I don't care how many LGBTQABCXYZ+ characters they made as long as they have more personality than just the gender they identify. Modern western storytelling these days only put emphasis on gender and skin color of a character as a mere shield to criticism. Except it doesn't really succeed in shielding from cricitism does it? Movies, series and games without representation can easily fly below the radar. As soon as there is one transgender character, it invites a lot of backlash for being about identity politics or whatever. Of course this varies by genre, with science fiction and fantasy probably having a much larger non-cishet audience than, say, a detective series or a hospital drama show, so they're going to have more representation. Shows and films with LGBTQ characters that don't appeal to straight white males (e.g. Grey's Anatomy) tend to be well received without backlash. Even when it's done well and the gender, sexuality or skin color are not the sole basis for a character, someone is going to complain. I believe that just like with poc characters, in a few decades few people will notice anymore because it's become normal to see minorities represented everywhere.
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