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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 16, 2022 20:36:39 GMT
^Tha twould likely be a deal breake rsa well yeah It wouldn't even be acceptable if it was canon ending I would usually choose as others don't. Everyone should be invested. BioWare wrote us into this corner, it's not beyond them to write us out. The several hundred year gap seems to be part of that...
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jan 16, 2022 20:46:59 GMT
The only deal breaker for me would be the game not being made. That said they can't make the same mistakes they made with MEA. Mainly unfinished quest lines and lack of single player support.
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Post by jrpN7 on Jan 17, 2022 19:53:13 GMT
Too much Andromeda nonsense will be a deal breaker for me. I don't want an Andromeda 2.0. Barf.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 19, 2022 12:30:57 GMT
Expectation can be our enemy.
They can't satisfy everyone so they should make the story they want to tell as competently as they can.
They have an experienced team on it, so as much as possible I'm going to run with and enjoy what they make, or I set myself up to fail.
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Post by deviltrigger on Jan 19, 2022 12:58:10 GMT
Making the protagonist a pushover like the Ryder twins. It's not outside of BioWare's ability to create a protagonist who can put their foot down. I don't like being told what's what by two looters and bossed around by the rest of my crew -- who I'm supposed to be commanding. I feel like even Inquisition has some of this and if they want to outlive Shepard, they're going to have to go back to what made Shepard such an entertaining character in the first place.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 19, 2022 12:59:11 GMT
A first person only perspective that is an automatic "go fuck yourself" for me. I hate first person perspective. If it has both third and first perspectives that can be switched like Fallout 4 and Skyrim that is an acceptable comprise and one I can live with. I've tried to like first person perspective and while some people say it makes the game for immersive for them for me it does the exact opposite especially with RPGs I might have given games like Bloodlines 2 a chance but when it with only a first person perspective they don't get my money.
That was a major as to why I didn't support Anthem that first person perspective mode sucked.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 19, 2022 13:16:41 GMT
Expectation can be our enemy. They can't satisfy everyone so they should make the story they want to tell as competently as they can. They have an experienced team on it, so as much as possible I'm going to run with and enjoy what they make, or I set myself up to fail.
"You can please some of the people some of the time and you can please none of the people all the time and those are pretty good odds." - Bret Maverick played by James Gardner in the classic TV show Maverick episode "Shady Deal at Sunny Acres"
That is a HUGE problem with fandoms in general you set your expectations so high that NOTHING can ever live up to them and this includes all media.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 19, 2022 22:23:23 GMT
My biggest breaker would be the Andromeda charterer creation unlike unreal well? what can I say they look like cartoon charterers.
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Post by traks on Jan 20, 2022 10:46:56 GMT
None. I can't come up with anything that will lead to me not playing the next Mass Effect. If it turns out bad, it could lead to me losing interest down the road though.
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Post by jclosed on Jan 20, 2022 18:54:11 GMT
My biggest breaker would be the Andromeda charterer creation unlike unreal well? what can I say they look like cartoon charterers. My biggest breaker would be a resurrection of Shepard. That zombie rising again would be a HUGE deal breaker for me, because I hate zombie games. Seriously, If they play that completely deteriorated moldy and rotten flesh flavored card again I will not buy the game. Even if it's a Mass Effect game. I rather see the Ryders again than a lifeless resurrected zombie. I think raising Shepard again from the grave is a move completely without inspiration and simply a cash-grab. Please do something new, something inspiring, something that really surprise us in a good way. Please do something fresh and new, and not something that smells like eon-old dust. Please do not copy and paste that old theme and character again, because it would bore me to death. As said - I rather have the Ryders again than playing a zombie game. Well - There is still hope. But I have to admit the future looks bleak...
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Post by themikefest on Jan 20, 2022 21:01:52 GMT
A canonised ME3 choice would be a deal breaker, anything else, no issue. If the teaser is to be believed, they already made a canon choice by having t'soni alive even though she can be killed in ME3.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Jan 21, 2022 9:05:43 GMT
Deal breakers: NFTs, surprise mechanics, internet connection required, game as a service, and microtransactions. I understand that EA wants to make money, but they can do that by making a great game, with a great story and great characters. Then the game sells well without the need of that silly monetizing.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 22, 2022 0:08:09 GMT
Deal breakers for me:
Canonizing any of that ME3 ending dumpster fire. Genocide, Slavery, Eugenics, or "Rocks fall, everyone dies"
Multiplayer that touches on the SP campaign in any way. Even optional goodies.
That awful MEA profile system.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 22, 2022 0:10:03 GMT
A canonised ME3 choice would be a deal breaker, anything else, no issue. If the teaser is to be believed, they already made a canon choice by having t'soni alive even though she can be killed in ME3. Assuming the teaser actually has anything of substance in it, and isn't just hype, then yeah they canonized Liara being alive. OTOH, that doesn't necessarily mean Red is canon. They could have created a "new canon" that has FA to do with that ME3 garbage, and created a completely original end state which just happens to have Liara alive at the end.
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Post by traks on Jan 22, 2022 10:25:59 GMT
Deal breakers for me: Canonizing any of that ME3 ending dumpster fire. Genocide, Slavery, Eugenics, or "Rocks fall, everyone dies" Multiplayer that touches on the SP campaign in any way. Even optional goodies. That awful MEA profile system.What was awful about it for you? It was entirely optional. You didn't need to change your profile during a playthrough.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 22, 2022 13:54:27 GMT
Deal breakers for me: Canonizing any of that ME3 ending dumpster fire. Genocide, Slavery, Eugenics, or "Rocks fall, everyone dies" Multiplayer that touches on the SP campaign in any way. Even optional goodies. That awful MEA profile system.What was awful about it for you? It was entirely optional. You didn't need to change your profile during a playthrough. Aside from "SAM can turn people into super-soldiers by reconfiguring an implant?" Sure you could stick to one profile. But that meant leveling beyond your upper teens was pointless, except to make enemies tougher. You're still stuck with having only three active skills. So just pick a primer, detonator, and defensive power and level them up until you run out of points (and whatever passives are useful to you). The profiles, otoh worse than useless, as they put all your powers on cooldown and dismissed your summons. Might as well just keep shooting.
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Post by trinity0 on Jan 22, 2022 14:43:03 GMT
What was awful about it for you? It was entirely optional. You didn't need to change your profile during a playthrough. Aside from "SAM can turn people into super-soldiers by reconfiguring an implant?" Sure you could stick to one profile. But that meant leveling beyond your upper teens was pointless, except to make enemies tougher. You're still stuck with having only three active skills. So just pick a primer, detonator, and defensive power and level them up until you run out of points (and whatever passives are useful to you). The profiles, otoh worse than useless, as they put all your powers on cooldown and dismissed your summons. Might as well just keep shooting. I really hate the Profiles in MEA. The two times i played MEA i never used them.
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Post by traks on Jan 23, 2022 16:47:35 GMT
What was awful about it for you? It was entirely optional. You didn't need to change your profile during a playthrough. Aside from "SAM can turn people into super-soldiers by reconfiguring an implant?" Sure you could stick to one profile. But that meant leveling beyond your upper teens was pointless, except to make enemies tougher. You're still stuck with having only three active skills. So just pick a primer, detonator, and defensive power and level them up until you run out of points (and whatever passives are useful to you). The profiles, otoh worse than useless, as they put all your powers on cooldown and dismissed your summons. Might as well just keep shooting. Nah, leveling beyond upper teens refined your profile, i.e. you got higher bonuses for your class - each has six ranks depending on how many points you put into the respective skills. Also leveling the passives of other classes improves your character overall. Three active powers - which are enough due to the combo mechanism - have nothing to do with SAM or your class choice. You can switch 'favorites' i.e. different skills/powers in the same class. Favorites aren't equal to profiles/classes, so I don't see that part of your point. If you want to focus on one class, you can do that and you can easily level up in a way that makes sense around level 30 (which is in line with the other ME games). The combat system was a strong point of MEA in my opinion - lots of fun due to mobility and mix and match - the only downside I saw was that even if you are like me and like to play with just three powers, Insanity became way too easy without a level cap. But that has nothing to do with the mix and match possibilities.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 23, 2022 17:05:24 GMT
Aside from "SAM can turn people into super-soldiers by reconfiguring an implant?" Sure you could stick to one profile. But that meant leveling beyond your upper teens was pointless, except to make enemies tougher. You're still stuck with having only three active skills. So just pick a primer, detonator, and defensive power and level them up until you run out of points (and whatever passives are useful to you). The profiles, otoh worse than useless, as they put all your powers on cooldown and dismissed your summons. Might as well just keep shooting. Nah, leveling beyond upper teens refined your profile, i.e. you got higher bonuses for your class - each has six ranks depending on how many points you put into the respective skills. Also leveling the passives of other classes improves your character overall. Three active powers - which are enough due to the combo mechanism - have nothing to do with SAM or your class choice. You can switch 'favorites' i.e. different skills/powers in the same class. Favorites aren't equal to profiles/classes, so I don't see that part of your point. If you want to focus on one class, you can do that and you can easily level up in a way that makes sense around level 30 (which is in line with the other ME games). The combat system was a strong point of MEA in my opinion - lots of fun due to mobility and mix and match - the only downside I saw was that even if you are like me and like to play with just three powers, Insanity became way too easy without a level cap. But that has nothing to do with the mix and match possibilities. The thing is, there's no POINT in taking more than three skills, since you can't use them all. For example: over the course of the game, you level up, say Incinerate, Trip Mine, and Cloak. Why would I bother to take Cryo Beam? I can't use it without losing one of my (already leveled) powers. Being limited to three powers is BORING. I found combat to be very rote, both due to my character's own limitations plus having virtually no control over the companions (but that's been a weakness in the ME series all along, I can't really fault MEA in particular for this)
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Post by themikefest on Jan 23, 2022 17:41:21 GMT
The combat in MEA was ok. The worst part is not having control over squadmates. They were there more as a decoration than anything else.
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Post by traks on Jan 23, 2022 17:48:21 GMT
Nah, leveling beyond upper teens refined your profile, i.e. you got higher bonuses for your class - each has six ranks depending on how many points you put into the respective skills. Also leveling the passives of other classes improves your character overall. Three active powers - which are enough due to the combo mechanism - have nothing to do with SAM or your class choice. You can switch 'favorites' i.e. different skills/powers in the same class. Favorites aren't equal to profiles/classes, so I don't see that part of your point. If you want to focus on one class, you can do that and you can easily level up in a way that makes sense around level 30 (which is in line with the other ME games). The combat system was a strong point of MEA in my opinion - lots of fun due to mobility and mix and match - the only downside I saw was that even if you are like me and like to play with just three powers, Insanity became way too easy without a level cap. But that has nothing to do with the mix and match possibilities. The thing is, there's no POINT in taking more than three skills, since you can't use them all. For example: over the course of the game, you level up, say Incinerate, Trip Mine, and Cloak. Why would I bother to take Cryo Beam? I can't use it without losing one of my (already leveled) powers. Being limited to three powers is BORING. I found combat to be very rote, both due to my character's own limitations plus having virtually no control over the companions (but that's been a weakness in the ME series all along, I can't really fault MEA in particular for this) The idea is leveling up the powers you like and use them when you see fit. Ideally (in a three active powers setting) you would choose the three you want to use at a certain point depending on your opposition. You can do that in the game; the problem is just that you can tackle every opposition without changing the three active powers if you use a nice combination, because the combat is too easy. So IMO it's the opposition that needs to be upgraded, not the three-power-combo-system. Having all powers avalaible all the time is basically your critique, but that has nothing to do with the profiles - which equal the classes. It's just your preferred way to play - which of course is a totally fine position. IMO it is not needed anymore with the combo mechanism (because having access to all powers all the time would make it even easier), but again, that's just my preference.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 23, 2022 18:03:45 GMT
I thought about this: Its not a deal breaker but ...
- Having a/to pause to launch powers again or to use henchmen powers.
The thing is how do you do this with a gamepad, those are quite limited compared to keyboard.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 23, 2022 19:30:40 GMT
The only things that would make ignore a new Mass Effect are:
No CC/gender choice. Eh, sorry, but I'm not much anymore into being restricted to play as a guy.
Multiplayer: I don't like to play with others online. Gaming is my "alone time", I don't want to have to endure any people in my "alone time". Never had any good experience gaming online anyway.
First person visual. I have stopped liking it for a long time now. I have difficulty getting into games I liked, like Fallout 3/NV/4 or Skyrim, and I skypped Cyberpunk for that reason. Take me out of immersion, and sometime even make slightly ill.
Anything else, may make me wait before buying, but not a deal break.
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Post by hulluliini on Jan 24, 2022 10:13:56 GMT
Procedural generation might be a deal breaker for me, though I find it really hard to see anything as a real deal breaker. I would still play it and be miserable afterwards if there was some really big design flaw.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 24, 2022 11:59:51 GMT
Procedural generation might be a deal breaker for me, though I find it really hard to see anything as a real deal breaker. I would still play it and be miserable afterwards if there was some really big design flaw. I do have to as, Procedural generation of what?  You can generate procedurally a lot of stuff is what I mean.
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