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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 7:55:29 GMT
That said, Trespasser did give us an option to "redeem" him, so I wonder what that means exactly? Or will it not matter too much and he dies no matter what, but the redemption option means he got a noble sacrifice ending? I also wouldn't be surprised if Bioware ditches the "redeem Solas" line from Trespasser as a possible plot point. It's happened too often in their other games. I'd still like for it to be an option, even if I wouldn't plan on going down that path. See my discussion with Hanako on page.3 of this thread. If we did end up confronting the Dread Wolf in the Fade in order to defeat the monstrous alter ego of Solas, that could leave you with the option of killing him outright or restoring him to his true self. Unless it was intended as a red herring, I'm pretty sure the fact that Rasaan was searching for Solas' true name could be important.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 3, 2022 7:56:43 GMT
I think the purple will have meaning in-game (Pride/Spirit/etc.) as well as just a punchy colour choice to stand out. It also has some Minrathous vibes (esp. the neon-esque "Dreadwolf"). I find that the lettering dragon age looks like stone very interesting.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 7:58:09 GMT
Name-wise, Dreadwolf's "mouth-feel" is a little... odd. But I'm reminded of something that David said about naming things. Eventually, any initial resistance will be overcome, and... that's what it'll be. I'm fine with it myself. Yes, it could be that it has no more significance than the fact they couldn't come up with anything better that everyone could agree on. However, see my post above about the fact that may be our PC could end up becoming the new "Dread Wolf" by the end of the adventure.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 3, 2022 8:02:26 GMT
And if they doesn't get killed in the process? I don't get what you're asking? I mean: How you would like it when the veil comes down and everyone doesn't get killed. The result does not mean the death of the current races as feared.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 3, 2022 8:07:48 GMT
I don't get what you're asking? I mean: How you would like it when the veil comes down and everyone doesn't get killed. The result does not mean the death of the current races as feared. That depends on both the number of people he kills along the way to achieve that, as well as what happens after the Veil is down. For example even if the event doesn’t kill them, thought suddenly becoming reality absolutely will after. So he still killed them all by doing that. But if somehow he killed nobody along the way and nobody died when the Veil is removed, then yea obviously I’d think differently. But that’s not going to happen, as he even explicitly states.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 3, 2022 8:09:37 GMT
All the other titles have referred to the player character in a way (Origins, Exodus, Inquisition) so the choice of the name "Dreadwolf" is somewhat interesting. I wonder if it has anything to do with that short clip with his VA in the BTS video. Remember he says: "They call me the Dread Wolf, what will they call you?" That seemed to hint the PC might end up having to take action that will save the world but that they won't be seen as a hero because of some effect of the action that will make them seem like the villain. This will be in complete contrast to our previous heroes, where they assumed heroic status among the people they saved, although at the expense of or even despite their true motivations and personality. Ugh, that sounds awful. I hate stories where they’re like “hey, the way we should make this morally grey is just to make everyone morally black”. Almost certain they won’t. They learned that lesson from Mass Effect 3, and this sounds like it would be even worse. The last thing they need right now is a controversial ending.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 8:19:13 GMT
The Trailer never said that he is the enemy. The 2020 trailer heavily implied it: The trailer opened with the murals in Solas' lair showing former enemies from DA2 and Inquisition. Varric's monologue says: "I've fought tyrants and would be gods." Then the narrative switches to the need for a new hero, before returning to the type of enemy they will be opposing with Varric saying: "We've got your back, I've got your back: Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Dread Wolf. I mean it would be rather odd to put in the Dread Wolf at the end of a list of traditional enemies in Thedas and not intend viewers to think that he was the ultimate enemy of the game, particularly as the final shot focuses on him looking particularly sinister standing in that lair. By contrast, the 2018 trailer picture seems to suggest the conflict within Solas between his true self and the Dread Wolf, which does leave it open for an interpretation that Solas is not the enemy but his alter ego the Dread Wolf is. I find that the lettering dragon age looks like stone very interesting. I was wondering about that too. Could it be a hint that the titans are going to feature more prominently in the game? Does it hint at the potential destruction of the solid Waking World if the Veil is removed? Is there any significance to the fact that the wording now occupies the space that contained the idol in the 2018 art work? What about the lighting? In the original picture, the light was coming more from the left hand side, with the darkness of the Dread Wolf overshadowing from the right. Now it is reversed, with creeping darkness from 3 sides but light either preventing this in the top right hand corner or being gradually consumed by the encroaching dark. That recalls to mind Morrigan's words from the 2013 trailer: "Will you stand against the darkness, or lead this world to its bitter end?"
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Post by saandrig on Jun 3, 2022 8:28:56 GMT
Not releasing this year. No surprises there.
Lack of a release date means they are not quite sure they can hit a 2023 deadline.
So possibly a 2023 release as a target, but most likely a 2024 one. Anyone else feeling like this?
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 3, 2022 8:37:22 GMT
We've got your back, I've got your back: Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Dread Wolf. I mean it would be rather odd to put in the Dread Wolf at the end of a list of traditional enemies in Thedas and not intend viewers to think that he was the ultimate enemy of the game, particularly as the final shot focuses on him looking particularly sinister standing in that lair. What if they all no enemies. He said:"We got your back, i've got your back:.." Then the list follows (A list of the people Which got your back like Varric.) If he had said:" We got your back, i've got your back against:..." Then it would be different for me. But so i don't know if Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Draed wolf are really our enemies.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 8:42:53 GMT
Ugh, that sounds awful. I hate stories where they’re like “hey, the way we should make this morally grey is just to make everyone morally black”. Almost certain they won’t. They learned that lesson from Mass Effect 3, and this sounds like it would be even worse. The last thing they need right now is a controversial ending. I hope they've learned from ME3 too. However, it was the stupid logic behind the decision there that upset me the most, plus the original version before the Extended Cut didn't even allow you to question it. It was really bad though that wiping the Reapers off the face of the galaxy was presented as the ruthless choice because it would wipe out all AIs, even though I had specifically collected a code that allowed me to target only Reapers. Whereas the paragon option meant I essentially became the Reaper overlord and Synthesis meant everyone became a cyborg; either way it was a Reaper win. I really can't see them doing that again. However, we do know that the Crossroads was breaking down in DAI and that would imply that some sort of imbalance in the flow of magic from the Fade. So stablilising the Veil and thus saving the current world might be at the expense of these final vestiges of the elven empire. It might even result in the fall of Tevinter, which seems to owe its success to building on the foundations of the previous civilisation and utilising their magical expertise. Now if you view Tevinter as the evil empire of the north, you might feel that was a good thing and the southern Chantry might welcome it, but it would result in a shift in the balance of power and allow a resurgence of the Qun across Thedas, although if Tevinter Nights is anything to go by, apparently this was already the case without any action on the part of our PC. Nevertheless, you could see how their name might be synonymous with its destruction and be a curse on the lips of the Altus and other Tevinter citizens who survived its fall. However, it would finally free all the slaves, who are then at liberty to decide whether they want to be ruled by the Qun or not and those who resist have sufficient numbers that they are able to stem the tide. So to them you might well be a hero. With that sort of scenario the Dread Wolf does not win, you have done something positive in your adventure but you are not seen as a universal hero. I could live with that. Naturally Solas sounds disparaging and would paint your potential action in the worse possible light but, as he has proven in the past, he does not anticipate the consequences of his actions correctly, so why would that be any different with your own? Plus, he has always been in favour of the unadulterated flow of magic and the wonders that can result from it, conveniently ignoring that it was what led to the conflict with the titans and the rise of the Evanuris, so he would take a negative view of anyone trying to prevent this from happening.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 9:02:38 GMT
But so i don't know if Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Draed wolf are really our enemies. I think the word "against" is implied without having to be stated. I realise you could put another sort of interpretation on it but that would be weird, particularly to new players who are being invited to play the game. So all these traditionally evil beings are now our allies? Against what? Even if the ancient gods did return, I'm sure that they could get the demons, dragons and darkspawn on their side and if the ancient gods were opposing them, then might they not be our allies? I know we had the Messenger in Awakening that we were able to convert to our side and who attempted to do good thereafter, but he still infected people without intending to, so posed a risk to everyone. In any case, I am something of an old school fantasy person, where I like there to be some definitely evil creatures that I do not have to have a moral dilemma about killing. Leave the moral ambiguity for characters like Loghain, or even Solas if they wish, but keep the demons and darkspawn as straight forward unequivocal enemies. I leave out the dragons because I do take the view that if they are in some out of the way place where they aren't harming anyone, then live and let live.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 9:22:17 GMT
I wouldn't say DAO is that connected to the other games, in terms of plot. I think the other three are more connected The real link between all the games is the Blight. DAO begins with the story of how it came to be in the world, according to the Chantry. Our Warden hero has to deal with its direct effects. Hawke is made a refugee by the Blight which starts them on the path to Kirkwall and subsequent events, including the discovery of the idol. They also free Corypheus who is one of the Magisters that discovered the Darkness and allowed it to escape to infect the world. Then in DAI, he tries to conquer the world and we also discover the link between the Blight and red lyrium. As a result of his actions, red lyrium is carried across Thedas, which given its ability to infect and grow on any living organism cannot be a good thing. The 2018 trailer also hinted that the idol was going to be important to the plot of the next game, so once again that ties back to DA2 and from there to DAO because it is infected with the Blight. There are various lesser connections between the games, such as the presence of the Qunari, particularly their agents across Thedas and the plight of the elves but the Blight is the main one.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 3, 2022 9:39:47 GMT
We've got your back, I've got your back: Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Dread Wolf. I mean it would be rather odd to put in the Dread Wolf at the end of a list of traditional enemies in Thedas and not intend viewers to think that he was the ultimate enemy of the game, particularly as the final shot focuses on him looking particularly sinister standing in that lair. What if they all no enemies. He said:"We got your back, i've got your back:.." Then the list follows (A list of the people Which got your back like Varric.) If he had said:" We got your back, i've got your back against:..." Then it would be different for me. But so i don't know if Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Draed wolf are really our enemies. Regardless on how attendible that trailer is, in light of the reports of a transition towards SP, possibly afterwards, and regardless of what that phrase meant (I’d say it meant you’d be facing them), yesterday’s blog called Solas ‘our antagonist’ explicitely. Maybe there’ll be options and choices in regards of his fate and his action, but it seems clear we’ll fight against him.
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Post by lk13 on Jun 3, 2022 10:35:07 GMT
I can't help but feel that the purple background is a reference to necromancy which looks purple as well in Inquisition. And, you know, with Tevinter mages, Solas and those artworks in 2020 with those skeletal creatures... I guess that we'll see our fair share of spirits and undead. Then again, the image is probably just a marketing choice and I'm speculating way too much Anyway, regardless if you like it or not, I wouldn't put much importance into how the title looks, since it could very well change again before release. Inquisition had its fair share of "vivid green\fadey" stuff, but it's not like they made the UI or color palette green-looking or something like that.
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Post by Solas on Jun 3, 2022 10:41:13 GMT
I'm so excited let's fucken gooooooo
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Post by colfoley on Jun 3, 2022 11:02:03 GMT
IT IS SO WEIRD SEING THE SUB FORUM AND ALL THE THREADS BE UPDATED WITH DREADWOLF OR DAD...this is probably the worse thing about this my precious and familiar 'DA 4 is gone' I am adrift on a sea of change.
Also there is this.
Feels like a much better look at the logo tbh. Don't know who mentioned it but the logo does indeed look like stone but also cracking stone.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 3, 2022 11:12:56 GMT
Feels like a much better look at the logo tbh. Don't know who mentioned it but the logo does indeed look like stone but also cracking stone. The stones of Titans are cracking, so is the reality under the weight of veil!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 11:13:03 GMT
A thought occurs to me: is the “Dreadwolf” title how Solas will be referred to from now on? He was “the Dread Wolf” before, but now is he just “Dreadwolf”? The Executors also only know him as "the Wolf", so they are going to look a bit silly splitting his title up like that. I suppose it does emphasise that the whole term is the title he adopted to terrorise his enemies and he was never just "the Wolf", although it does beg the question why his enemies came up with that name for him instead of just "Traitor" and why he is always depicted as a wolf even when he was an ally of Mythal.
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Post by Camel on Jun 3, 2022 11:17:05 GMT
He has only three Sims 3 expansions under the belt and Bioware still made him the game director.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 3, 2022 11:18:57 GMT
I can't help but feel that the purple background is a reference to necromancy which looks purple as well in Inquisition. And, you know, with Tevinter mages, Solas and those artworks in 2020 with those skeletal creatures... I guess that we'll see our fair share of spirits and undead. I think the choice of purple was deliberate because of its association with any magic involving spirits and the likelihood that the relationship of Thedas to the spirit world is going to be a major theme of the game. Whilst Solas is powerful enough in the Waking World, the Dread Wolf is definitely at his most powerful in the world of the spirits and likely when making attacks on the spirits of his enemies via the Fade.
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Post by Solas on Jun 3, 2022 12:00:06 GMT
He has only three Sims 3 expansions under the belt and Bioware still made him the game director. Corinne's pronouns are she and her. I suspect that you know this being that they are clearly specified in the screenshot you're sharing. If not, now you definitely know, for the future. Oops I think I accidentally quoted myself here. Point stands.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jun 3, 2022 12:43:20 GMT
Feels like a much better look at the logo tbh. Don't know who mentioned it but the logo does indeed look like stone but also cracking stone. The stones of Titans are cracking, so is the reality under the weight of veil! Something is definitely cracking. The texture reminds me of the Moon? And the seal behind also looks like it’s deteriorating. Also it looks like one of the bells/discs is missing. The fifth one at that, which is interesting…
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Post by gnoll on Jun 3, 2022 12:50:26 GMT
Purple as the color also reminds me about Pride Demons and their using of lightning that was purple in DAI colors (also Pride Demons were purple in a way). As that was said earlier - maybe aside of spirits it's also more like just Solas color?
The hope the stonish logo means that we will see more Titans (and awakened dwarves :>).
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 3, 2022 13:17:46 GMT
MODERATOR POST
He has only three Sims 3 expansions under the belt and Bioware still made him the game director. I've left the post up rather than removing it because if I remove it, there will be no learning and there really needs to be learning here. BSN rules are copied below. Corinne Busche's pronouns are plainly included in the bio image you included in your post, so you appear to either be making a specific point to disrespect the individual or otherwise disrespect trans people generally. Neither are acceptable. Mistakes happen. I've misgendered people myself in error and corrected what I've written. If this was an innocent mistake, you now know better and have reference to forum rules. Please don't do it again. Also, criticising BioWare's games is fair game. Personal nonsense aimed at individual members of the development team is not. I don't consider these forum rules up for debate (as follows). bsn.boards.net/thread/634/read-bsn-forum-rulesRespect and bad faithOur forum is for reasonable, rational people to discuss BioWare and other games and some general lobby topics. The Internet is composed of people whose opinions may conflict with yours. We expect you to maintain respect for other opinions (not otherwise restricted under ProBoards rules). Posts that exist only to harm the forum, to incite negative reactions, or to disrupt threads may be dealt with by moderators even if they don’t technically break specific rules. Slurs and attacks/hatred to groupsProBoards rules are simple: don’t use intolerant or hateful terms, or be hateful towards any person or group of people. We won’t accept intolerant language or slurs targeted at any race, religion, sexual orientation, or gender identity. The same applies to mental illness, mental conditions, or disability. Game DevelopersWe give special protection from harassment to game developers. We won't stand for posters haranguing a developer, demanding answers, spamming their inbox, insults, or rudeness. They are not a public punching bag nor do they have to meet 'higher standards' than any other forum member.
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Post by biggydx on Jun 3, 2022 15:12:58 GMT
I'm agnostic about the title tbh. I can't really see myself being worked up because of a lack of a space between two words, or that somehow purple means we're going to be running around Thedas smacking down Qunari with purple dildos (in reference to Saints Row). It is what it is, and I've played games with worse titles that I've enjoyed.
The only thing - at this point - that matters to me is the gameplay. I don't expect to see anything until next year, and - as I've mentioned before - I personally dont want to see anything gameplay related till 6 months prior to release. I've kept my expectations in check throughout this whole rollercoaster of a reveal, and I'll continue to do so.
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