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Post by Zemgus on Jul 26, 2022 23:46:45 GMT
Kind of a bland trailer and I'm not a fan of the art style in general. Looks cheap. I'm obviously going to watch it though!
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 28, 2022 0:12:14 GMT
*Cough Gold dragons in The Witcher cough*
So?
There are gold (and/or bright yellow) dragons in D&D, The Dragon Prince, and Dragonheart.
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 28, 2022 16:37:16 GMT
*Cough Gold dragons in The Witcher cough*
So?
There are gold (and/or bright yellow) dragons in D&D, The Dragon Prince, and Dragonheart.
My comment had nothing to do with the colour, but the poor quality of the design (and possibly the CGI). ‘Twas more golden chicken than golden dragon.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 5, 2022 1:53:41 GMT
this is interesting… Synopsis from this website: theenvoyweb.com/news/dragon-age-cast-trailer-release-date-netflix/“Set in the oldest surviving nation in Thedas, Tevinter, is ruled by an invincible, magic-wielding government that allows slavery of elves. A series of bloody uprisings lead to the end of slavery in the mystical nation.” Nothing is confirmed. But there’s a lot of specific language in this synopsis. So I find it very peculiar. Do you think it could be valid? Also just learned that the series is only six episodes (????) so…. very interesting lol.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 5, 2022 1:57:14 GMT
this is interesting… Synopsis from this website: theenvoyweb.com/news/dragon-age-cast-trailer-release-date-netflix/“Set in the oldest surviving nation in Thedas, Tevinter, is ruled by an invincible, magic-wielding government that allows slavery of elves. A series of bloody uprisings lead to the end of slavery in the mystical nation.” Nothing is confirmed. But there’s a lot of specific language in this synopsis. So I find it very peculiar. Do you think it could be valid? Also just learned that the series is only six episodes (????) so…. very interesting lol. I doubt they will have anything be that much of a status quo shift outside of the games.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 5, 2022 2:06:47 GMT
this is interesting… Synopsis from this website: theenvoyweb.com/news/dragon-age-cast-trailer-release-date-netflix/“Set in the oldest surviving nation in Thedas, Tevinter, is ruled by an invincible, magic-wielding government that allows slavery of elves. A series of bloody uprisings lead to the end of slavery in the mystical nation.” Nothing is confirmed. But there’s a lot of specific language in this synopsis. So I find it very peculiar. Do you think it could be valid? Also just learned that the series is only six episodes (????) so…. very interesting lol. I doubt they will have anything be that much of a status quo shift outside of the games. A lot of people think the same thing. But if it did happen, I wouldn’t be surprised. Especially regarding the slavery subject. I saw someone mention that DA4 could start from slavery being abolished. Apparently, we are 10 years ahead of DAI Trespasser. So that could be an intriguing starting point for the game.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 5, 2022 2:31:52 GMT
this is interesting… Synopsis from this website: theenvoyweb.com/news/dragon-age-cast-trailer-release-date-netflix/“Set in the oldest surviving nation in Thedas, Tevinter, is ruled by an invincible, magic-wielding government that allows slavery of elves. A series of bloody uprisings lead to the end of slavery in the mystical nation.” Nothing is confirmed. But there’s a lot of specific language in this synopsis. So I find it very peculiar. Do you think it could be valid? Also just learned that the series is only six episodes (????) so…. very interesting lol. I doubt they will have anything be that much of a status quo shift outside of the games. Yeah, I'm skeptical as well. That's the only site I could find with that quote, and I agree that something as big as the end of slavery in Tevinter is... highly unlikely to happen in a miniseries. I'm struggling to imagine a situation where BW would go this route. Maybe... if the new top creatives really didn't want to dig into the realities of slavery in DA:D. Perhaps worried that the PCs are going to go on a tear in Tevinter/Minrathous to free every slave and kill every slave owner in the game. Just one endless bloodbath. And shuffling a slave revolt into a miniseries was the way out?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 5, 2022 3:05:54 GMT
I could see slave uprisings being a part of absolutions plot, but I'd be surprised to see slavery actually end in Tevinter during the show.
Not nationally anyway... I guess they could have a successful slave uprising in one city, and have Tevinter too distracted by the qunari to quash it. In which case that city might still be free when we get to DAD, but slavery entirely overthrown in side content? Doubtful.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2022 7:38:58 GMT
“Set in the oldest surviving nation in Thedas, Tevinter, is ruled by an invincible, magic-wielding government that allows slavery of elves. A series of bloody uprisings lead to the end of slavery in the mystical nation.” Even without the rest, this is wrong. Tevinter does not just enslave elves but anyone. Back in ancient times the bulk of the slaves were elves because of the large influx when they conquered the city in Arlathan Forest. However, after Hessarian was forced to allow the liberation of large numbers of elves because of the unrest following Andraste's crusade, who departed for the south in the Long March, the numbers have become a mix of mostly elves and humans. (WoT p.78) So clearly there are also smaller numbers of dwarves and qunari, it is just they are very much in the minority. However, the second statement is very strange. If it wasn't for the presence of the qunari mage, you would think this series was set back in the time of Andraste. After all, these days no one thinks that the Magisterium are "invincible", even within Tevinter itself. Throughout its history the Imperium has been beset with internal strife from those want to challenge the status quo, often leading to changes being made in who qualifies for the Magisterium. The Imperium itself has shrunk considerably since the height of its power, through subject people being willing to rebel against their overlords. Then in Tevinter Nights we are told that the Qun have conquered much of the eastern Imperium, which seemed confirmed by the comic series where they had definitely reached Neromenian. Hardly a reflection of an "invincible" leadership in Tevinter. Now I've suggested before now that the Qun would do well to make use of their sleeper cells within Tevinter to co-ordinate uprisings that would undermine any defense the Magisterium tried to mount against the invaders. This could be why the Qun seem to have surged down the east side of the Nocen Sea virtually unopposed by Imperial forces but to suggest the events of this series will result in the total abolition of slavery in Tevinter seems somewhat radical. I could see slave uprisings being a part of absolutions plot, but I'd be surprised to see slavery actually end in Tevinter during the show. So would I. This is such a core part of the character of Tevinter that we have been presented with in game, for people who haven't watched the series, it would come as something of a shock and leave them questioning, if it was that simple, why hadn't it occurred before? In fact it flies in the face of everything we were told by Fenris and codices about the failure of previous rebellions. Fenris even said that there was an Archon who tried to end slavery who was promptly assassinated. To be honest, I'd also feel somewhat cheated that such a major change was effected outside of the games. If they are going to allow a successful overthrow of slavery in Tevinter, why can't our new hero be the one to do it? I even thought that might be why they introduced an abolitionist faction within Tevinter in Tevinter Nights, to pave the way for us to achieve this. I'm struggling to imagine a situation where BW would go this route. Maybe... if the new top creatives really didn't want to dig into the realities of slavery in DA:D. Perhaps worried that the PCs are going to go on a tear in Tevinter/Minrathous to free every slave and kill every slave owner in the game. Just one endless bloodbath. And shuffling a slave revolt into a miniseries was the way out? This thought has occurred to me too. They thought covering the topic of slavery would be too contentious, so they opted for an easy way out. That would be really disappointing. So basically, by the time we get to Tevinter, it will be unrecognisable as the evil empire from the previous games.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 5, 2022 7:59:07 GMT
I could see slave uprisings being a part of absolutions plot, but I'd be surprised to see slavery actually end in Tevinter during the show. Not nationally anyway... I guess they could have a successful slave uprising in one city, and have Tevinter too distracted by the qunari to quash it. In which case that city might still be free when we get to DAD, but slavery entirely overthrown in side content? Doubtful. Yeah. Granted this is risky but they ould be using the show to set up a plot point which will be explored within the game.
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Post by necrowaif on Aug 5, 2022 8:01:26 GMT
If BioWare has the *audacity* to rely on a fucking Netflix series to end the institution of slavery in Tevinter - an integral part of the nation’s culture and economy since its beginning - just so they don’t have to deal with it in the next game, I’ll be pretty pissed.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2022 8:06:21 GMT
I saw someone mention that DA4 could start from slavery being abolished. Apparently, we are 10 years ahead of DAI Trespasser. So that could be an intriguing starting point for the game. So people are going to come back to the game, having not read any of the associated literature or watched the Netflix series, and are going to think WTF happened to Tevinter? Slavery has been an inherent part of the system for over two millennia, despite numerous uprisings trying to end it and then suddenly poof its gone and we don't even get to be part of that struggle? Mind you, if we are playing a newly liberated elf, I'd be pretty pissed learning that I'd achieved my hard earned freedom only for Fen'Harel to be planning to destroy the world and me with it. However, it would make Solas' argument for not doing something in the present for elves, if the Inquisitor accuses him of not caring enough or their fate in the main game, that it is not possible without changing reality shown up for the lie it is. It is not the persecution of mages in the south or slavery in the north that is impossible to fix, the fact is he thinks the elves are broken without their connection to the Fade, whether they want it or not.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2022 8:09:32 GMT
If BioWare has the *audacity* to rely on a Netflix series to end the institution of slavery in Tevinter - an integral part of the nation’s culture and economy since time immemorial - just so they don’t have to deal with it in the next game, I’ll be pretty fucking pissed. I think a lot of people will be.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 5, 2022 8:11:22 GMT
I saw someone mention that DA4 could start from slavery being abolished. Apparently, we are 10 years ahead of DAI Trespasser. So that could be an intriguing starting point for the game. So people are going to come back to the game, having not read any of the associated literature or watched the Netflix series, and are going to think WTF happened to Tevinter? Slavery has been an inherent part of the system for over two millennia, despite numerous uprisings trying to end it and then suddenly poof its gone and we don't even get to be part of that struggle? Mind you, if we are playing a newly liberated elf, I'd be pretty pissed learning that I'd achieved my hard earned freedom only for Fen'Harel to be planning to destroy the world and me with it. However, it would make Solas' argument for not doing something in the present for elves, if the Inquisitor accuses him of not caring enough or their fate in the main game, that it is not possible without changing reality shown up for the lie it is. It is not the persecution of mages in the south or slavery in the north that is impossible to fix, the fact is he thinks the elves are broken without their connection to the Fade, whether they want it or not. At this point we, as in the players, really haven't seen Tevinter. We basically have only seen it from second and third hand sources. People who have been there, have lived there, and the Chantry perception in the south. We haven't seen it. We haven't really been there aside from a couple stories in TVN and even then that was usually a very high level interpretation so there is nothing really for us, as players, to recognize. Keeping in mind on top of that a lot of what we have heard is propaganda, either the Chantry South version ('the Imperium is soooo horrible') and the Tevinter ('no our slavery isn't that bad honest!'). This is not, of course, to say that Tevinter isn't a horrible place but we might find the reality on the ground to be a little bit more nuanced then anything we have heard about. And that nuance should give BioWare enough freedom to write with.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2022 8:46:24 GMT
At this point we, as in the players, really haven't seen Tevinter. We basically have only seen it from second and third hand sources. People who have been there, have lived there, and the Chantry perception in the south. Aside from Chantry propaganda, why is a first hand account from someone who has lived there not valid for giving us an accurate impression of the place? Outside of codices, we have had: Dorian - First hand account of his homeland by a member of the ruling elite. He is disparaging and sarcastic about some aspects but also passionate in his loyalty and description of the place in others. In DAI he sees nothing wrong with slavery and even defends it as an institution, although his time in the south revises is opinion and by TN he has freed all his slaves. In addition, if Halward Pavus was willing to use blood magic to alter the mind of his son, would he be any less willing to use blood magic on his slaves if he regarded it as necessary? Fenris - First hand account of what it is like to be a slave and overview of the nation in which he lived. His is an important insight because a slave gets to see what goes on behind closed doors that is hidden from public view. Do you dispute what he said as true? Feynriel - First hand account of his impressions of the nation (via a letter to Hawke). He thinks the south has a point about misuse of magic and power. Caladrius? (think that was the name) The Magister/Slaver who did the deal with Loghain. Hadrianana - Shows how little value the life of a slave has and corroborates Fenris' assertions in this respect. Calpernia - former slave. (Whilst we don't actually get many of her thoughts on it in game, her short story can be regarded as a first hand account) Krem - former citizen. Very useful testimony about how use of slave labour undercut his father's business, resulting in the father having to sell himself into slavery to survive. Gatt - former slave who joined the Qun voluntarily on being liberated by Hissrad. When criticised about this, he says how he was treated by his former master. Outside of the games, we have been given a pretty clear picture of Tevinter as well. It wasn't pretty and even if the worst atrocities are committed by the "bad guys", it is evident they are able to function in the society without too many constraints being place upon them, so long as it doesn't actually threaten national security or the status quo at the very top. Yes, it is evident that not all people from Tevinter are bad and I've long argued that the only difference between a corrupt Tevinter Altus and a noble of Orlais is that one uses magic whilst the other uses poison and assassins. Nevertheless, we have been given a very clear picture of what to expect when going to Tevinter and why we should not expect it to change any time soon. I thought it would be bad enough to arrive there and find half of it conquered by the Qun but to find the other half transformed completely from what we had been led to believe will only reinforce my decision to treat DAD as a totally new game in a totally new universe, with no prior knowledge of what has been true in the past.
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Post by mattjamho on Aug 5, 2022 9:26:50 GMT
If this is true, it seems like they'll handle it the same way they did with the mage/templar war, with the plot points of the mages breaking with the chantry happening in Asunder and Codices. When we get to Tevinter in game, the slave uprising is already taking place, ala mages and templars in the Hinterlands in DAI. With Tevinter dealing with a slave uprising and the Qunari, it'll be a real sh*tstorm Could be DA:D is following DAI's way of dealing with Thedas' big world events like the mage war or the orlesian civil war. They all happened in the background and acted as road blocks for the game's main story. So in DA:D, the slave uprising and the Qunari invasion all take place while we're trying to stop Solas. I could absolutely see them as things the PC has to get involved with, but unlike DAI where we have the power and political clout to put them to bed, we have to just deal with the fall out and focus on the main threat, taking down the elf
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2022 12:26:38 GMT
When we get to Tevinter in game, the slave uprising is already taking place, ala mages and templars in the Hinterlands in DAI. The synopsis makes it sound as though the slave uprising would have already happened by the time we get to Tevinter and slavery is no longer a thing, which would not be the same scenario as we had with the mage/Templar war. With the mage/Templar war we only knew from the end of DA2 that it had started and was still in full swing. Then Asunder explained why there was a delay of two years from the end of DA2 to the actual uprising and so Cassandra's interrogation of Varric was likewise 2 years into the future from the end of the game. What didn't happen was that at the end of DA2 we were told it had started and then by the time we got to DAI it was over and done with, the resolution of the situation having been explained in a novel. That is essentially what we will be given if this synopsis is accurate. Essentially, at the end of DAI Tevinter was still going on much as it has always done; at the end of Trespasser they were under attack on the mainland from the Qun with no intimation of any concurrent slave uprising, whether sparked by that invasion or not. Nor is there any suggestion of the latter in Tevinter Nights; merely that there is a faction in Tevinter society that are anti-slavery but no evidence of it as a major political movement or citizens generally are in favour of it. So to go from that set-up to a revolution that is a done deal is a monumental shift in the narrative. However, it may be that Solas is connected with it in some way. His agent was trying to destabilise things further within Tevinter in TN by forcing the issue with the leadership on Par Vollen, bringing them into the conflict through violent action and placing the blame on citizens from Tevinter. Playing one side off against the other is one of his signature moves to distract from his own plans, so may be that is how the writers will explain it in game.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 5, 2022 16:07:11 GMT
If this is true, it seems like they'll handle it the same way they did with the mage/templar war, with the plot points of the mages breaking with the chantry happening in Asunder and Codices. When we get to Tevinter in game, the slave uprising is already taking place, ala mages and templars in the Hinterlands in DAI. With Tevinter dealing with a slave uprising and the Qunari, it'll be a real sh*tstorm Could be DA:D is following DAI's way of dealing with Thedas' big world events like the mage war or the orlesian civil war. They all happened in the background and acted as road blocks for the game's main story. So in DA:D, the slave uprising and the Qunari invasion all take place while we're trying to stop Solas. I could absolutely see them as things the PC has to get involved with, but unlike DAI where we have the power and political clout to put them to bed, we have to just deal with the fall out and focus on the main threat, taking down the elf Didn't the mages break with the chantry at the end of DA2? The books only showed us that Anders and Hawke weren't the only people who played a major role in this.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2022 17:20:41 GMT
Didn't the mages break with the chantry at the end of DA2? The books only showed us that Anders and Hawke weren't the only people who played a major role in this. Originally it was implied that the interrogation by Cassandra followed on fairly quickly after the events in DA2; therefore when Varric says he understands the break with the Chantry has occurred as a direct response to Anders' action, this was back in 9:38 or early 9:39. The reason it ended like that is that there should have been an expansion DLC to DA2, the Exalted March, which would have covered subsequent action in the mage/Templar conflict in which Hawke was directly involved. Unfortunately, the Exalted March was cancelled, so now the writers had to fudge a solution to the conundrum that Varric says the mage/Templar war was started by the events we were involved in directly to Cassandra and in the epilogue slides to DA2. This was done in two ways. First, DG wrote the novel Asunder, set in 9:40, when it is stated that the events of Kirkwall caused increased tensions between the mages and the Templars in the Circles but the rebellion had not yet started. So effectively Anders/Hawke was the catalyst but the actual instigator of the rebellion was Fiona. She had called for independence back in a meeting of the College of Enchanters back in 9:38, partly prompted by the events of DA2, but was outvoted on the issue, after which the Templars prohibited any more gatherings of this sort, leading to the increased tensions. Then when the Divine called for a meeting of the First Enchanters to discuss what had been discovered about the reversibility of the Rite of Tranquility, Fiona used the opportunity to make another call for independence, after which everything kicked off. Secondly, Varric's interrogation by Cassandra that we see in DA2, did not in fact take place until 9:40, just before the Conclave. Hence him saying he understood that the mages had rebelled and Cassandra suggesting that the Divine was looking for Hawke to stop it. This led to people assuming that Hawke should have been the protagonist of DAI but was demoted because of the backlash against DA2, when this was not the case because their involvement only came about at all in DAI because the Exalted March was cancelled. We were told that had that gone ahead, Varric wouldn't even have been alive in DAI. As I have stated in my earlier post, what they did to save the situation with Hawke and the mage/Templar war was not the same situation as would appear to be the case with the scenario described for the Netflix series. There was no suggestion at all that a slave rebellion was in the pipeline in Tevinter, even at the end of Trespasser, so using the series to explain the changes in Tevinter is not dealing with an unresolved situation that the writers created in game. It is like skipping from DAO/DAA to DAI and finding the Circles had gone in the south, with us having no agency at all in their downfall and having little intimation that it might be the case, apart from perhaps the mage boon at the end of DAO. Up to now there has been a fair bit of continuity between games. DAO led to DAA which led to DA2 and then DAI. There might have been a gap between DAA and DAI but for the extended timeline of DA2. As it was, what with the action in the main games and the various expansions/DLC of the previous two games our PC was involved in some of the defining events of the Dragon Age in the south. If Tevinter is going to be radically altered from what we previously understood its set up to be, I would have hoped our PC might have been involved in the action, not simply be told that it happened in the relatively short time period between the end of Trespasser (and even the events shown in the comic series and Tevinter Nights for those who have read them) and the start of the new game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2022 17:36:28 GMT
“Set in the oldest surviving nation in Thedas, Tevinter, is ruled by an invincible, magic-wielding government that allows slavery of elves. A series of bloody uprisings lead to the end of slavery in the mystical nation.” What I find most odd about this synopsis is that it doesn't seem to equate to what we were shown in the trailer. Apart from one scene where the qunari mage is helping a group of people, all the emphasis seems to be on the actions of the strange mage and their companion, plus the ring. It looked like it was going to be about the actions of a powerful Magister or Altus, may be a breakaway member of the Venatori, and some powerful ancient artifact, with the new party of heroes out to thwart them. Something that could quite happily run separately from the narrative in the games. There is no intimation in the trailer of a major rebellion with large groups of rebels fighting for their freedom. Rather it is all about different individuals involved in various action sequences that would be consistent with foiling the plans of the antagonist, not bringing about a major change in the setting. Can the source of this information really be trusted?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 6, 2022 12:37:47 GMT
You know Dadi, the more I look into this, the more I think this person is talking through their a...! This article was dated 19 June, around the time the trailer was released. I've been checking other articles from that same time period and the majority simply claim to know nothing of the plot beyond what was featured in the trailer, so why would this one person be any different? For example, take this alternative article: movieweb.com/netflix-dragon-age-absolution-what-to-expect/This was dated 20th June, so a day later than EnvoyWeb's offering and yet still only talking in general terms about what we can expect, not a specific plot synopsis. Either that was wishful thinking on the EnvoyWeb writer's part or deliberate misdirection. Has anyone tried poking the Bioware team on the synopsis?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 6, 2022 13:25:15 GMT
You know Dadi, the more I look into this, the more I think this person is talking through their a...! This article was dated 19 June, around the time the trailer was released. I've been checking other articles from that same time period and the majority simply claim to know nothing of the plot beyond what was featured in the trailer, so why would this one person be any different? For example, take this alternative article: movieweb.com/netflix-dragon-age-absolution-what-to-expect/This was dated 20th June, so a day later than EnvoyWeb's offering and yet still only talking in general terms about what we can expect, not a specific plot synopsis. Either that was wishful thinking on the EnvoyWeb writer's part or deliberate misdirection. Has anyone tried poking the Bioware team on the synopsis? Yeah, The trailer description on Netflix's official YouTube channel certainly doesn't mention slavery at all.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Aug 6, 2022 16:13:27 GMT
If BioWare has the *audacity* to rely on a fucking Netflix series to end the institution of slavery in Tevinter - an integral part of the nation’s culture and economy since its beginning - just so they don’t have to deal with it in the next game, I’ll be pretty pissed. I think it would be neat if the game were set in the aftermath of the emancipation of the elves. It's not like it would be a settled matter and everyone just decides to get along honky-dory. There would probably be vengeance killings by elves, genocidal massacres by the former slave-owners, etc. How eager would the authorities be to protect the rights of the former slaves? It all leads to a great deal of turmoil and conflict, a situation ripe for exploitation by both the Qunari and Solas. I can see the potential for a compelling storyline in the midst of that.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 6, 2022 17:27:46 GMT
I think it would be neat if the game were set in the aftermath of the emancipation of the elves. I wish people would stop thinking that slavery only affects the elves. As I say above, WoT makes it clear that it applies to all races, although the majority are a mix of elves and humans. Krem's father sold himself into slavery and he was human; Calpernia was a human mage, likely born into slavery; Ditto Marius who is a human. The reason we see more elves than humans being sold into slavery in the south is likely because it is easier for slavers to kidnap elves from alienages without anyone raising a stink. However, the daughter of that Templar in DA2 (his name escapes me at present) was being sent into slavery and she was human, as was the elf bloodied Feynriel, who despite his design in the game, should have looked wholly human. The slave merchants aren't fussy about who they capture and then there are all those born into slavery within the Imperium or sold into slavery by their families. So if there were any vengeance killings by former slaves, it would not simply be elves and it would not just be elves who would be ripe for exploitation by the Qun. Solas would be a different matter as I don't think someone claiming to be an ancient elf god would have the same sway over anyone but elves. Nevertheless, he acknowledged that slavery could apply to any race when he said to Dorian: "If you are truly sorry for the past then free the slaves of all races."
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