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Post by Legenlorn on Dec 14, 2016 18:55:34 GMT
Now he works at Bungie. Just thought Id let people know
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:03:50 GMT
I'm not trying to imply the game is bad or anything but if you have some spare time try to see the reviews on Bioware made by their former employees on Glassdoor.ca. I was surprised and not in a positive way. You'll get some insight on why maybe some people are leaving.
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Post by lundajfs on Dec 14, 2016 21:09:09 GMT
@current_music: Another one bites the dust www.hardcoregamer.com/2016/10/31/bioware-producer-cameron-lee-is-leaving-the-company/233263/BioWare has lost Cameron Lee, the lead producer on its upcoming brand new IP.
Cameron Lee, who worked as a producer on Dragon Age: Inquisition, is leaving BioWare. Prior to him leaving, Lee was working as the lead producer on BioWare’s first new IP since Mass Effect. His reasons for leaving the studio are personal and have nothing to do with the game’s development. According to him, the game is still on track and will, ‘change the way people experience BioWare games.’Does not affect MEA but does affect BW in general. P.S. Should not it be some kind of "General BW news" sub-forum? Not about the games, but the company? "who worked as a producer on Dragon Age: Inquisition" - Good riddance "change the way people experience BioWare games" - I'm pretty sure it means even less RPG so... Good Riddance 2: The Revenge of Shinobi |
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 14, 2016 22:34:19 GMT
I used to like Cameron's publicity videos (usually demos) for Dragon Age Inquisition because: - He sucked at the gameplay really badly - very entertaining, bears, demons, random mooks, anything would take him down...
- His wonderful straight-faced PR response to the Russian media interviewer who asked him if DAI would have a 'gay toggle'.
It was like Heath Ledger's Joker walking calmly away from an exploding building...
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Post by Kantr on Dec 14, 2016 22:52:34 GMT
I used to like Cameron's publicity videos (usually demos) for Dragon Age Inquisition because: - He sucked at the gameplay really badly - very entertaining, bears, demons, random mooks, anything would take him down...
- His wonderful straight-faced PR response to the Russian media interviewer who asked him if DAI would have a 'gay toggle'.
It was like Heath Ledger's Joker walking calmly away from an exploding building...
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 14, 2016 23:24:50 GMT
BioWare has something like 800 employees. A 'healthy' staff turnover is around 160/year (15%). Unless people have evidence that turnover is wildly above that, it is not possible to extrapolate an assessment of corporate health on the basis of occasional individual departures, even senior ones. To do so without supplemental evidence is illogical 'tin foil hat' thinking. I do wonder what the industry average is for someone to stay at a single company. I think my viewpoint on the BioWare community is a little more skewered as well since I don't follow other games as closely, but I wonder if people are as quick to claim the sky is falling when a high ranking member of another developer leaves for it has happened at all studios. |
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2016 0:40:17 GMT
I do wonder what the industry average is for someone to stay at a single company. I think my viewpoint on the BioWare community is a little more skewered as well since I don't follow other games as closely, but I wonder if people are as quick to claim the sky is falling when a high ranking member of another developer leaves for it has happened at all studios. for people staying with their current employer was 4.2 years in January 2016, down from 4.6 in January 2014. I didn't read all the report... Canada keep the statistic differently (that's raw data), same data but by "industry" or by provinces. Note, most publicized departure from BioWare were not Canadians. As for how other communities act about it, I know that Blizzards lost quite a few big names in the last year, but I don't hang out among the Blizzard fandom to know if there was much of a reaction to it. I don't think it got as much "coverage" as BioWare departures though. |
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Post by Kantr on Dec 15, 2016 12:16:52 GMT
I do wonder what the industry average is for someone to stay at a single company. I think my viewpoint on the BioWare community is a little more skewered as well since I don't follow other games as closely, but I wonder if people are as quick to claim the sky is falling when a high ranking member of another developer leaves for it has happened at all studios. for people staying with their current employer was 4.2 years in January 2016, down from 4.6 in January 2014. I didn't read all the report... Canada keep the statistic differently (that's raw data), same data but by "industry" or by provinces. Note, most publicized departure from BioWare were not Canadians. As for how other communities act about it, I know that Blizzards lost quite a few big names in the last year, but I don't hang out among the Blizzard fandom to know if there was much of a reaction to it. I don't think it got as much "coverage" as BioWare departures though. Bioware fandom is a lot smaller and more rabid than blizzard fandom. Seeing as blizzard makes quite a number of different games compared to bioware. With a lot of fans nostalgic for how things were (even if it was bad) |
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Dec 15, 2016 14:43:39 GMT
The US national median for people staying with their current employer was 4.2 years in January 2016, down from 4.6 in January 2014. I didn't read all the report... Canada keep the statistic differently (that's raw data), same data but by "industry" or by provinces. Note, most publicized departure from BioWare were not Canadians. As for how other communities act about it, I know that Blizzards lost quite a few big names in the last year, but I don't hang out among the Blizzard fandom to know if there was much of a reaction to it. I don't think it got as much "coverage" as BioWare departures though. Bioware fandom is a lot smaller and more rabid than blizzard fandom. Seeing as blizzard makes quite a number of different games compared to bioware. With a lot of fans nostalgic for how things were (even if it was bad) What? Blizzard made their name in late 90's early 2000's for exceptional quality games, Starcraft Broodwar is still considered by many as the greatest RTS of all time, while Diablo 2 Lord of Destruction is the grandaddy of all hack and slash RPG's which many tried to emulate and failed. How were the old games bad in any way? Blizzard are more hit (Overwatch) and miss (Diablo 3) these days but back then they were considered gods. |
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Post by derrame on Dec 15, 2016 15:16:59 GMT
well, i dont like that bioware loses people, but if it has nothing to do with the game's deveopment and won't affect it, then, it's ok it hink,
i hope a new and capable peson replaces him
i hope bioware will keep on existing and making good games
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 15, 2016 16:06:11 GMT
well, i dont like that bioware loses people *snip* That's only the people you hear about, BW has one of highest turnover rates in die industry... toxic work environment, apparently. |
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Dec 15, 2016 16:48:17 GMT
well, i dont like that bioware loses people *snip* That's only the people you hear about, BW has one of highest turnover rates in die industry... toxic work environment, apparently. Got a source for that?, I can't say I've ever heard of BioWare being a toxic work environment.... their turnover is kind of high for sure though.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:31:44 GMT
I am very curious about the new IP, and by the sound of it the guy there got a job in States that suited him better. I've never worked anywhere near the entertainment industry, but I am under the impression that it is all extremely competitive and fickle because, well, it's creative jobs and creative jobs are ultra-rare. Frankly, I don't even know what a producer actually does, save for a vague impression it is an important occupation in entertainment industry.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 15, 2016 17:54:07 GMT
Well Drew Karpyshyn left and returned so I do not count out that anyone who left may not return even the Big ONES.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2016 17:58:15 GMT
lol glassdoor. EA has a score over 4 and they used to be win worst place to work at years after years... |
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 15, 2016 18:06:24 GMT
lol glassdoor. EA has a score over 4 and they used to be win worst place to work at years after years... Meh, I don't care for scores, but some of the reviews where an interesting read... I never said my source was good, though.  |
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Post by degs29 on Dec 15, 2016 18:52:00 GMT
Cameron Lee, who worked as a producer on Dragon Age: Inquisition, is leaving BioWare. Prior to him leaving, Lee was working as the lead producer on BioWare’s first new IP since Mass Effect. His reasons for leaving the studio are personal and have nothing to do with the game’s development. According to him, the game is still on track and will, ‘change the way people experience BioWare games.’They working on a VR game? Mobile game? Or maybe a Switch game? |
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Post by Kantr on Dec 15, 2016 19:10:33 GMT
Bioware fandom is a lot smaller and more rabid than blizzard fandom. Seeing as blizzard makes quite a number of different games compared to bioware. With a lot of fans nostalgic for how things were (even if it was bad) What? Blizzard made their name in late 90's early 2000's for exceptional quality games, Starcraft Broodwar is still considered by many as the greatest RTS of all time, while Diablo 2 Lord of Destruction is the grandaddy of all hack and slash RPG's which many tried to emulate and failed. How were the old games bad in any way? Blizzard are more hit (Overwatch) and miss (Diablo 3) these days but back then they were considered gods. I was talking about Bioware not Blizzard. Not the games themselves either but mechanics within the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 5:43:56 GMT
@current_music: Another one bites the dust www.hardcoregamer.com/2016/10/31/bioware-producer-cameron-lee-is-leaving-the-company/233263/BioWare has lost Cameron Lee, the lead producer on its upcoming brand new IP.
Cameron Lee, who worked as a producer on Dragon Age: Inquisition, is leaving BioWare. Prior to him leaving, Lee was working as the lead producer on BioWare’s first new IP since Mass Effect. His reasons for leaving the studio are personal and have nothing to do with the game’s development. According to him, the game is still on track and will, ‘change the way people experience BioWare games.’Does not affect MEA but does affect BW in general. P.S. Should not it be some kind of "General BW news" sub-forum? Not about the games, but the company? Boom. Bullshit detector set off. I'm seeing this same reason with every cat whose left this company the past 6 years or so. No reason for them to keep stating this unless it's to pad. I'm still interested in the game but I know at this point the creative directions are never going to be as fun nor will the games retain that pre-EA spirit. |
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Post by azarhal on Dec 16, 2016 12:27:07 GMT
@current_music: Another one bites the dust www.hardcoregamer.com/2016/10/31/bioware-producer-cameron-lee-is-leaving-the-company/233263/BioWare has lost Cameron Lee, the lead producer on its upcoming brand new IP.
Cameron Lee, who worked as a producer on Dragon Age: Inquisition, is leaving BioWare. Prior to him leaving, Lee was working as the lead producer on BioWare’s first new IP since Mass Effect. His reasons for leaving the studio are personal and have nothing to do with the game’s development. According to him, the game is still on track and will, ‘change the way people experience BioWare games.’Does not affect MEA but does affect BW in general. P.S. Should not it be some kind of "General BW news" sub-forum? Not about the games, but the company? Boom. Bullshit detector set off. I'm seeing this same reason with every cat whose left this company the past 6 years or so. No reason for them to keep stating this unless it's to pad. I'm still interested in the game but I know at this point the creative directions are never going to be as fun nor will the games retain that pre-EA spirit. In 2014, about 6 months before DAI released, he wasn't sure if he was going to be able to renew is working permit for Canada. You need to renew it every years and there is a max of 4 years. People really need to stop trying to find shit where there isn't any. |
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Post by pdusen on Dec 16, 2016 13:24:20 GMT
@current_music: Another one bites the dust www.hardcoregamer.com/2016/10/31/bioware-producer-cameron-lee-is-leaving-the-company/233263/BioWare has lost Cameron Lee, the lead producer on its upcoming brand new IP.
Cameron Lee, who worked as a producer on Dragon Age: Inquisition, is leaving BioWare. Prior to him leaving, Lee was working as the lead producer on BioWare’s first new IP since Mass Effect. His reasons for leaving the studio are personal and have nothing to do with the game’s development. According to him, the game is still on track and will, ‘change the way people experience BioWare games.’Does not affect MEA but does affect BW in general. P.S. Should not it be some kind of "General BW news" sub-forum? Not about the games, but the company? Boom. Bullshit detector set off. I'm seeing this same reason with every cat whose left this company the past 6 years or so. No reason for them to keep stating this unless it's to pad. Or--and this might be a bit complicated, so stick with me--they could all be saying that because it's the truth. Radical idea, I know. |
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Post by hsomcokesniper on Dec 16, 2016 23:09:51 GMT
Montreal is a big city, he could still work for Bioware there. Guess he doesn't want to put up with crunch when he has a child on the way. Good luck Cameron if you by some chance read this. Edmonton isn't exactly small either... His explanation is just weird. |
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 16, 2016 23:54:20 GMT
Montreal is a big city, he could still work for Bioware there. Guess he doesn't want to put up with crunch when he has a child on the way. Good luck Cameron if you by some chance read this. Edmonton isn't exactly small either... His explanation is just weird. A lot of could have to deal with how being a foreign worker in Canada works as well, not to mention I wouldn't have to deal with Edmonton winters either. |
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 17, 2016 19:05:18 GMT
One thing I noticed...if the glassdoor stuff has any truth to it (might be true, might not) the common theme is really poor leadership from the top at the studio.
Perhaps that is why the studio was re-shuffled and now has a new head in charge of the BioWare division is Samantha Ryan.
Curious to see what changes.
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