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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 1, 2023 2:07:25 GMT
That said to I am once more getting major hmm vibes from the fact they are releasing the thing early, even in some markets and some websites, or whatever. Now unless someone issues a retraction/ appology and then an updated version (which I doubt) this means the comic on Dark Horse's end was fully ready to go but it was on BioWare's end that they asked them to delay...till right around their next stock report... HMM. Or they're delaying because of printing/distribution issues with the physical copies. Retailers really don't like it if the digital editions become available ahead of them getting the physical ones, it cuts into their sales.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on May 1, 2023 3:13:40 GMT
Okay more rambles and thoughts - I love how Varric is like “he helped the slaves! We can convince him! We can redeem Solas!” And Harding is like “no we are definitely killing him.” Makes me wonder if the Inquisitor’s choice at the end of Trespasser will manifest through them. - Neve isn’t apart of The Shadow Dragons, unlike the other characters we’ve met who were part of the factions that were featured in the comic. Makes me think she’ll be a companion, and she does look similar to that tall lady character in the alleged companion lineup we saw back in the 2020 Gamescom trailer. -That red-headed male elf was very suspicious. He presented the conundrum that made Varric and Harding have to switch their plans (thus letting Solas get away), AND he killed the Venatori assassin that was stalking them, preventing them from interrogating the assassin (how did the elf know the assassin was a woman btw?) -The Shadow Dragons are an interesting name, maybe the meaning behind the name will be more clever once we learn more about the faction. -In order for Varric and Harding to execute their plan, they need to keep distance from the person “Solas will never see coming.” Otherwise… what’s the point? That being said, I doubt Harding or Varric will be permanent companions but they are undoubtedly important to the Solas story. If this mission were to happen in the game, I would imagine our protagonist would have followed Solas to the docks while Varric and Harding would have gone off to save the slaves, like they did in the comic. -also could 100% just be overthinking everything -I wish we saw Solas in this comic
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Post by dadithinkimgay on May 1, 2023 5:24:30 GMT
This isn't the first time Apple has screwed someone over by releasing something too soon. It's happened multiple times to episodes of Disney Channel shows. I wonder if it was released on google books too until someone took it down, hence the preview pages being suddenly deleted from that page.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2023 5:35:54 GMT
Welp Kind of a deflated ending. I’m happy to see that Varric and Harding came to the same conclusion the Inquisitor did 10 years prior - that they need to find someone Solas doesn’t know. What makes you say that? What happens? Just asking since I hate that line and mindset they forced us into.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on May 1, 2023 6:03:10 GMT
Welp Kind of a deflated ending. I’m happy to see that Varric and Harding came to the same conclusion the Inquisitor did 10 years prior - that they need to find someone Solas doesn’t know. What makes you say that? What happens? Just asking since I hate that line and mindset they forced us into. Varric says that to Harding at the end of the comic after being duped by Solas:
“Maybe it’s time we brought in some fresh help. Someone Solas doesn’t know. Someone he won’t see coming.”
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2023 6:16:44 GMT
What makes you say that? What happens? Just asking since I hate that line and mindset they forced us into. Varric says that to Harding at the end of the comic after being duped by Solas:
“Maybe it’s time we brought in some fresh help. Someone Solas doesn’t know. Someone he won’t see coming.” Honestly, with how awful the rest of this comic has been, I don’t know why I expected better than this. Too bad Varric won’t follow his words here and we’ll be stuck with him again. Still hate that that is the mindset we’re forced to have in order to have a new protagonist forced into us. It’s not like the Inquisitor constantly surprised Solas or anything. :rolleyes:
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 9:33:42 GMT
Varric says that to Harding at the end of the comic after being duped by Solas:
“Maybe it’s time we brought in some fresh help. Someone Solas doesn’t know. Someone he won’t see coming.” Honestly, with how awful the rest of this comic has been, I don’t know why I expected better than this. Too bad Varric won’t follow his words here and we’ll be stuck with him again. Still hate that that is the mindset we’re forced to have in order to have a new protagonist forced into us. It’s not like the Inquisitor constantly surprised Solas or anything. :rolleyes: They definitely using it as a justification for new protagonist, but it also makes sense narratively. Not to mention that new main character each game has always been part of Dragon Age. I don't know why some people so mad about it now. Corypheus was Hawke's problem first, but Inquisition still had new character instead of Hawke and it was not an issue
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2023 9:54:13 GMT
Honestly, with how awful the rest of this comic has been, I don’t know why I expected better than this. Too bad Varric won’t follow his words here and we’ll be stuck with him again. Still hate that that is the mindset we’re forced to have in order to have a new protagonist forced into us. It’s not like the Inquisitor constantly surprised Solas or anything. :rolleyes: They definitely using it as a justification for new protagonist, but it also makes sense narratively. Not to mention that new main character each game has always been part of Dragon Age. I don't know why some people so mad about it now. Corypheus was Hawke's problem first, but Inquisition still had new character instead of Hawke and it was not an issue How? Explain it to me how it sense narratively? Because narratively the story ended with the Inquisitor learning of the new villain and their plans and swearing to stop them. But nope, guess we’ll just trust some random people to stop a global genocide while they go be a useless bum. Simple: Hawke thought Corypheus was dead. Corypheus didn’t show up at the end of DA2 telling Hawke his DAI plans. So made sense Hawke wasn’t involved anymore. Likewise if Trespasser never happened and the last we saw the Inquisitor they were watching the sunrise thinking they saved the world it wouldn’t feel like they need to be the one to stop Solas since they aren’t aware of the threat he poses. Also side note but quite a few people complained it wasn’t Hawke being the protagonist after the villain being Corypheus was revealed.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 10:03:10 GMT
They definitely using it as a justification for new protagonist, but it also makes sense narratively. Not to mention that new main character each game has always been part of Dragon Age. I don't know why some people so mad about it now. Corypheus was Hawke's problem first, but Inquisition still had new character instead of Hawke and it was not an issue How? Explain it to me how it sense narratively? Because narratively the story ended with the Inquisitor learning of the new villain and their plans and swearing to stop them. But nope, guess we’ll just trust some random people to stop a global genocide while they go be a useless bum. Simple: Hawke thought Corypheus was dead. Corypheus didn’t show up at the end of DA2 telling Hawke his DAI plans. So made sense Hawke wasn’t involved anymore. Likewise if Trespasser never happened and the last we saw the Inquisitor they were watching the sunrise thinking they saved the world it wouldn’t feel like they need to be the one to stop Solas since they aren’t aware of the threat he poses. Also side note but quite a few people complained it wasn’t Hawke being the protagonist after the villain being Corypheus was revealed. Because no matter how smart Inquisitor might be, Solas still can read them more easily. Plus, people already forgot that Inquisitor literally doesn't have one hand now? How are we supposed to play this character? And before you say anything about that crossbow hand, no, it won't work, because it will limit classes (no two-handed swords etc) Then there's a problem of Dreadwolf releasing almost 10 years after Inquisition. A lot, if not most people, who's gonna play Dreadwolf, won't know who Inquisitor and Solas is. It just doesn't make sense forcing people into the character that is supposed to have player-driven background from 10 years ago
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2023 10:20:55 GMT
How? Explain it to me how it sense narratively? Because narratively the story ended with the Inquisitor learning of the new villain and their plans and swearing to stop them. But nope, guess we’ll just trust some random people to stop a global genocide while they go be a useless bum. Simple: Hawke thought Corypheus was dead. Corypheus didn’t show up at the end of DA2 telling Hawke his DAI plans. So made sense Hawke wasn’t involved anymore. Likewise if Trespasser never happened and the last we saw the Inquisitor they were watching the sunrise thinking they saved the world it wouldn’t feel like they need to be the one to stop Solas since they aren’t aware of the threat he poses. Also side note but quite a few people complained it wasn’t Hawke being the protagonist after the villain being Corypheus was revealed. Because no matter how smart Inquisitor might be, Solas still can read them more easily. Plus, people already forgot that Inquisitor literally doesn't have one hand now? How are we supposed to play this character? And before you say anything about that crossbow hand, no, it won't work, because it will limit classes (no two-handed swords etc) Then there's a problem of Dreadwolf releasing almost 10 years after Inquisition. A lot, if not most people, who's gonna play Dreadwolf, won't know who Inquisitor and Solas is. It just doesn't make sense forcing people into the character that is supposed to have player-driven background from 10 years ago Except once again, it was established on multiple occasions that Solas can’t read the Inquisitor easily. Most people he can, but they constantly surprise him. This continues even in Trespasser when he won’t share details because he knows the Inquisitor could counter him in ways he can’t prepare for. I won’t mention the crossbow arm. I’ll mention the prosthetic leg they established in Tevinter Nights and how the person who had it could still adventure just as well as before they lost their leg. And if anyone can get a top of the line special prosthetic, it’s the Inquisitor. So basically you think both BioWare and all those players you mentioned can’t re-establish that connection easily or simply research the previous games since they know it’s the fourth in a franchise? Heck Bioware is going to have to set all that up anyway since they’re continuing with Solas and his plot.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on May 1, 2023 10:21:57 GMT
Welp Kind of a deflated ending. I’m happy to see that Varric and Harding came to the same conclusion the Inquisitor did 10 years prior - that they need to find someone Solas doesn’t know. With that conclusion, along with Varric and Harding having traveled and met various people from various factions, I’m leaning into faction-based origin stories even more. Overall I’m not sure how I feel about this comic series, but in retrospect I guess I expected too much. Neve seems really cool though! I’m excited to know her more. Also… strange that I was able to purchase the comic even though it comes out May 10th. The page actually says it was released on April 26th, so it kinda makes sense you could buy it? I wonder if there's anything different between this release and the May 10th.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 11:29:15 GMT
Because no matter how smart Inquisitor might be, Solas still can read them more easily. Plus, people already forgot that Inquisitor literally doesn't have one hand now? How are we supposed to play this character? And before you say anything about that crossbow hand, no, it won't work, because it will limit classes (no two-handed swords etc) Then there's a problem of Dreadwolf releasing almost 10 years after Inquisition. A lot, if not most people, who's gonna play Dreadwolf, won't know who Inquisitor and Solas is. It just doesn't make sense forcing people into the character that is supposed to have player-driven background from 10 years ago Except once again, it was established on multiple occasions that Solas can’t read the Inquisitor easily. Most people he can, but they constantly surprise him. This continues even in Trespasser when he won’t share details because he knows the Inquisitor could counter him in ways he can’t prepare for. I won’t mention the crossbow arm. I’ll mention the prosthetic leg they established in Tevinter Nights and how the person who had it could still adventure just as well as before they lost their leg. And if anyone can get a top of the line special prosthetic, it’s the Inquisitor. So basically you think both BioWare and all those players you mentioned can’t re-establish that connection easily or simply research the previous games since they know it’s the fourth in a franchise? Heck Bioware is going to have to set all that up anyway since they’re continuing with Solas and his plot. BioWare will set it up, but new main character makes it that much easier for writers and also players who just want to launch the game and have fun. Do you think those people who are new to series will be OK if they have to research something in order to understand the plot?
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Post by ClarkKent on May 1, 2023 14:08:54 GMT
Except once again, it was established on multiple occasions that Solas can’t read the Inquisitor easily. Most people he can, but they constantly surprise him. This continues even in Trespasser when he won’t share details because he knows the Inquisitor could counter him in ways he can’t prepare for. I won’t mention the crossbow arm. I’ll mention the prosthetic leg they established in Tevinter Nights and how the person who had it could still adventure just as well as before they lost their leg. And if anyone can get a top of the line special prosthetic, it’s the Inquisitor. So basically you think both BioWare and all those players you mentioned can’t re-establish that connection easily or simply research the previous games since they know it’s the fourth in a franchise? Heck Bioware is going to have to set all that up anyway since they’re continuing with Solas and his plot. BioWare will set it up, but new main character makes it that much easier for writers and also players who just want to launch the game and have fun. Do you think those people who are new to series will be OK if they have to research something in order to understand the plot? Dragon Age's new protagonist new game policy is really the exception rather than the norm in gaming. Most games are sequels with an established protagonist and they seem to do okay. Saying that I do like the policy and the Inquistor was dull but I don't think there's much evidence to suggest having a recurring protagonist across game series hurts it - if anything it adds to iconography and the 'FOMO'.
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Post by Iddy on May 1, 2023 14:27:49 GMT
Except once again, it was established on multiple occasions that Solas can’t read the Inquisitor easily. Most people he can, but they constantly surprise him. This continues even in Trespasser when he won’t share details because he knows the Inquisitor could counter him in ways he can’t prepare for. I won’t mention the crossbow arm. I’ll mention the prosthetic leg they established in Tevinter Nights and how the person who had it could still adventure just as well as before they lost their leg. And if anyone can get a top of the line special prosthetic, it’s the Inquisitor. So basically you think both BioWare and all those players you mentioned can’t re-establish that connection easily or simply research the previous games since they know it’s the fourth in a franchise? Heck Bioware is going to have to set all that up anyway since they’re continuing with Solas and his plot. BioWare will set it up, but new main character makes it that much easier for writers and also players who just want to launch the game and have fun. Do you think those people who are new to series will be OK if they have to research something in order to understand the plot? Whenever people talk about Dragon Age or BioWare outside these little groups made for fans, they usually aren't excited. The few positive comments you might spot are from old loyalists like us. Generally, getting new people to be interested in this franchise is very hard, so I agree that giving them homework on top of it doesn't sound wise. But narratively speaking, it should be the Inquisitor going after Solas with the best prosthetic arm money can buy. Shame that it isn't commercially viable.
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Post by Solas on May 1, 2023 14:46:00 GMT
Hrungr Text of the poor quality Apple Missing #4 comic preview panels. a transcription - Lace: “With what? The rancid smell of overflowing sewers? The vomit of a thousand drunks?”
Lace: “We’re a long way from home, Varric. And we shouldn’t get too comfortable.”
Varric: “Aren’t you just a barrel of laughs today? In fact, you’ve been miserable ever since we left Arlathan. What’s going on, Harding?”
Lace: “Miserable, it it?”
Varric: “Well, quiet, then. Not yourself. You know what I mean.”
Lace: “And you know what’s going on, Varric. All that time we wasted laying a so-called trap for a Venatori assassin who never even showed up. We’ve lost precious days. Time we should have spent picking up Solas’s trail. We could have been here in Minrathous days ago.”
Varric: “So you’ve said. Repeatedly. But it has to mean something, doesn’t it? First the Venatori are in the Deep Roads, then they’re in Vyrantium, and Arlathan. It’s clearly no coincidence.”
Lace: “What does it matter? It’s just a distraction. If they’re trying to stop us from getting to Solas, it’s working.”
Varric: “But what if they’re not trying to stop us? If they wanted to kill us, they’d have made their move by now. Instead, it’s like they’ve been looking out for us. Watching our backs. The dead ‘spawn in the Deep Roads. Saving me from the leopard in the forest…”
Lace: “So now you think they’re our secret bodyguards?”
Varric: “No. But what if it’s all linked? To Solas. Somehow.”
Lace: “Then that’s even more reason to focus on finding him. Not that we even have a plan for what happens when we do.”
Varric: “I’m going to talk to him, tell him –”
Lace: “And what if talking’s not enough? What then?”
Varric: “What are you suggesting?”
Lace: “Right now? That we need some help.”
Varric: “All right. That I can do. There’s a woman here in Minrathous…”
Varric: “An investigator by the name of Neve Gallus. If anyone knows if Solas has been here, she will…”
Varric: “Neve!”
Neve Gallus: “If it isn’t Viscount Tethras of Kirkwall.”
Varric: “I’ve warned you about that before. Varric. Please.”
Neve: “Whatever it is you want, Varric, it must be important.”
Varric: “What makes you say that?”
Neve: “You’ve only been in Minrathous five minutes. And now here you are.”
Lace: “But… how did you know that?”
Neve: “I’m an investigator. It pays to have eyes and ears on the city gates.”
Varric: “See. I told you she was a good detective. If anyone can help us find Solas, she can.”
Neve: “Solas. Now there’s a name I’m tired of hearing lately. You’d better sit down.”
Lace: “You’ve heard of Solas, here, in Minrathous?”
Neve: “Your friend is quite intense.”
Varric: “It’s been a long road to get here, Neve, and our trail has gone cold. We need to find Solas. Soon. If you know something, don’t be shy.”
Neve: “An elf, right?”
Varric: “Right.”
Neve: “He’s been here causing trouble. Word is, he attacked a bunch of Venatori sites in the city and stole some artifacts from them. Pissed them off good and proper.”
Lace: “That explains a lot…”
Varric: “No wonder the Venatori are showing an interest.”
Neve: “There’s more. It seems your friend freed a group of elven slaves while he was at it.”
Varric: “Venatori slaves.”
Neve: “Precisely. So now we’ve got a bunch of rebellious elves causing trouble throughout the city, presumably in the name of the one who freed them… And we have a load of angry Venatori hell-bent on revenge.”
Neve: “So, are you sure you want to go getting mixed up in the middle of it all?”
Lace: “Causing trouble in Minrathous is just the beginning. He’s going to do much worse unless we stop him.”
Varric: “We don’t know that. Not yet. That’s why we need to find him.”
Lace: “Varric, Solas clearly doesn’t want to be found. He’s already tried to warn us off. And now he’s stirring up trouble with the Venatori. You need to prepare yourself–the only way to stop him now might be with an arrow.”
Varric: “The Venatori deserve everything they get. And slaves should be freed. Always. What it tells me is there might still be hope for Solas yet. I’ll knock some sense into the fool. When we find him. Speaking of which… You’ll be well compensated, Neve, if you can offer any leads?”
Neve: “I can do better than that, Varric, for an old friend… …I can take you to see some of the escaped slaves. Some people I work with, the Shadow Dragons, have been trying to help them. I have word on where some of them have been trying to source food.”
Lace: “And if they turn out to be working with Solas?”
Neve: “Then you’ll be one step closer to finding him.”
Lace: “Varric? What is it?”
Varric: “Oh, just our unwanted companion, snooping around again.”
Lace: “Then the sooner we get to the bottom of this…”
Lace: “…the better.”
Varric: “This looks like a rough sort of place for a meeting.”
Neve: “It is. But this is where some of the freed slaves have been coming to find food. Courtesy of a sympathetic kitchen maid, who saves up the scraps and leaves them, out around the back.”
Lace: “How do you know all this?”
Neve: “The Shadow Dragons make it their business to help those in need. And I make it my business to help them. Now–here we are…”
Elf lady: “Run!”
Varric: “No! Don’t… run. ((sigh)) One each, Harding?”
Lace: “You got it!”
Varric: “I’ll try to head her off the other way.”
Neve: “Aren’t you going to run after him?”
Lace: “No need.”
Elf dude: “((huff))” (harding shoots an arrow and cuts a rope above on which sheets where hung)
Elf dude: “Oomph!” (here he's fallen down because a sheet that was hung up got knocked down on him) “No. Please. I don’t want to go back. Don’t make me go back.”
Neve: “We’re not with the Venatori. Or the authorities. We’re not going to hurt you.”
Lace: “We just need a little information.”
Varric: “((huff)) She got away.”
Lace: “You’re getting slow, your Viscountship…”
Elf dude: “How do I know I can trust you?”
Neve: “I’m friends with the Shadow Dragons. We’re trying to help anyone held as slaves in Minrathous. We want to help you now.”
Elf dude: “Yes… but…”
Lace: “Then you’ll tell us what we need to know?”
Varric: “There’s coin in it for you. Enough for a proper meal. For you and your friend back there.”
Elf dude: “All right. What do you want to know?”
Lace: “We want to know about the person you’ve been working for.”
Varric: “We want to know where to find Solas.”
Elf dude: “Solas? You think I’m working with him?”
Varric: “Well, aren’t you?”
Elf dude: “Of course not. Solas was here, and he helped us. More than any Shadow Dragons. More than the authorities. He freed us from those Venatori bastards.”
Varric: “But why? What did he get out of it? Surely, he’d want something in return.”
Elf dude: “No. Nothing. When he attacked the Venatori, he saw what they had done to us–his kin–and he did the only decent thing. He set us free.”
Lace: “So where is he now?”
Elf dude: “He’s leaving Minrathous. Via the canals. If you go now, you might still be able to catch up with him.”
Varric: “Then we should go. Now.”
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Post by OhDaniGirl on May 1, 2023 14:49:54 GMT
Except once again, it was established on multiple occasions that Solas can’t read the Inquisitor easily. Most people he can, but they constantly surprise him. This continues even in Trespasser when he won’t share details because he knows the Inquisitor could counter him in ways he can’t prepare for. I won’t mention the crossbow arm. I’ll mention the prosthetic leg they established in Tevinter Nights and how the person who had it could still adventure just as well as before they lost their leg. And if anyone can get a top of the line special prosthetic, it’s the Inquisitor. So basically you think both BioWare and all those players you mentioned can’t re-establish that connection easily or simply research the previous games since they know it’s the fourth in a franchise? Heck Bioware is going to have to set all that up anyway since they’re continuing with Solas and his plot. BioWare will set it up, but new main character makes it that much easier for writers and also players who just want to launch the game and have fun. Do you think those people who are new to series will be OK if they have to research something in order to understand the plot? If someone is just jumping into an ongoing game series on the fourth installment, they should EXPECT to be a bit lost on some story elements. The same way they would be lost if jumping into a book series on the fourth book, or a TV show on the fourth season.
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Post by Iddy on May 1, 2023 15:08:41 GMT
Hrungr Text of the poor quality Apple Missing #4 comic preview panels. a transcription - Lace: “With what? The rancid smell of overflowing sewers? The vomit of a thousand drunks?”
Lace: “We’re a long way from home, Varric. And we shouldn’t get too comfortable.”
Varric: “Aren’t you just a barrel of laughs today? In fact, you’ve been miserable ever since we left Arlathan. What’s going on, Harding?”
Lace: “Miserable, it it?”
Varric: “Well, quiet, then. Not yourself. You know what I mean.”
Lace: “And you know what’s going on, Varric. All that time we wasted laying a so-called trap for a Venatori assassin who never even showed up. We’ve lost precious days. Time we should have spent picking up Solas’s trail. We could have been here in Minrathous days ago.”
Varric: “So you’ve said. Repeatedly. But it has to mean something, doesn’t it? First the Venatori are in the Deep Roads, then they’re in Vyrantium, and Arlathan. It’s clearly no coincidence.”
Lace: “What does it matter? It’s just a distraction. If they’re trying to stop us from getting to Solas, it’s working.”
Varric: “But what if they’re not trying to stop us? If they wanted to kill us, they’d have made their move by now. Instead, it’s like they’ve been looking out for us. Watching our backs. The dead ‘spawn in the Deep Roads. Saving me from the leopard in the forest…”
Lace: “So now you think they’re our secret bodyguards?”
Varric: “No. But what if it’s all linked? To Solas. Somehow.”
Lace: “Then that’s even more reason to focus on finding him. Not that we even have a plan for what happens when we do.”
Varric: “I’m going to talk to him, tell him –”
Lace: “And what if talking’s not enough? What then?”
Varric: “What are you suggesting?”
Lace: “Right now? That we need some help.”
Varric: “All right. That I can do. There’s a woman here in Minrathous…”
Varric: “An investigator by the name of Neve Gallus. If anyone knows if Solas has been here, she will…”
Varric: “Neve!”
Neve Gallus: “If it isn’t Viscount Tethras of Kirkwall.”
Varric: “I’ve warned you about that before. Varric. Please.”
Neve: “Whatever it is you want, Varric, it must be important.”
Varric: “What makes you say that?”
Neve: “You’ve only been in Minrathous five minutes. And now here you are.”
Lace: “But… how did you know that?”
Neve: “I’m an investigator. It pays to have eyes and ears on the city gates.”
Varric: “See. I told you she was a good detective. If anyone can help us find Solas, she can.”
Neve: “Solas. Now there’s a name I’m tired of hearing lately. You’d better sit down.”
Lace: “You’ve heard of Solas, here, in Minrathous?”
Neve: “Your friend is quite intense.”
Varric: “It’s been a long road to get here, Neve, and our trail has gone cold. We need to find Solas. Soon. If you know something, don’t be shy.”
Neve: “An elf, right?”
Varric: “Right.”
Neve: “He’s been here causing trouble. Word is, he attacked a bunch of Venatori sites in the city and stole some artifacts from them. Pissed them off good and proper.”
Lace: “That explains a lot…”
Varric: “No wonder the Venatori are showing an interest.”
Neve: “There’s more. It seems your friend freed a group of elven slaves while he was at it.”
Varric: “Venatori slaves.”
Neve: “Precisely. So now we’ve got a bunch of rebellious elves causing trouble throughout the city, presumably in the name of the one who freed them… And we have a load of angry Venatori hell-bent on revenge.”
Neve: “So, are you sure you want to go getting mixed up in the middle of it all?”
Lace: “Causing trouble in Minrathous is just the beginning. He’s going to do much worse unless we stop him.”
Varric: “We don’t know that. Not yet. That’s why we need to find him.”
Lace: “Varric, Solas clearly doesn’t want to be found. He’s already tried to warn us off. And now he’s stirring up trouble with the Venatori. You need to prepare yourself–the only way to stop him now might be with an arrow.”
Varric: “The Venatori deserve everything they get. And slaves should be freed. Always. What it tells me is there might still be hope for Solas yet. I’ll knock some sense into the fool. When we find him. Speaking of which… You’ll be well compensated, Neve, if you can offer any leads?”
Neve: “I can do better than that, Varric, for an old friend… …I can take you to see some of the escaped slaves. Some people I work with, the Shadow Dragons, have been trying to help them. I have word on where some of them have been trying to source food.”
Lace: “And if they turn out to be working with Solas?”
Neve: “Then you’ll be one step closer to finding him.”
Lace: “Varric? What is it?”
Varric: “Oh, just our unwanted companion, snooping around again.”
Lace: “Then the sooner we get to the bottom of this…”
Lace: “…the better.”
Varric: “This looks like a rough sort of place for a meeting.”
Neve: “It is. But this is where some of the freed slaves have been coming to find food. Courtesy of a sympathetic kitchen maid, who saves up the scraps and leaves them, out around the back.”
Lace: “How do you know all this?”
Neve: “The Shadow Dragons make it their business to help those in need. And I make it my business to help them. Now–here we are…”
Elf lady: “Run!”
Varric: “No! Don’t… run. ((sigh)) One each, Harding?”
Lace: “You got it!”
Varric: “I’ll try to head her off the other way.”
Neve: “Aren’t you going to run after him?”
Lace: “No need.”
Elf dude: “((huff))” (harding shoots an arrow and cuts a rope above on which sheets where hung)
Elf dude: “Oomph!” (here he's fallen down because a sheet that was hung up got knocked down on him) “No. Please. I don’t want to go back. Don’t make me go back.”
Neve: “We’re not with the Venatori. Or the authorities. We’re not going to hurt you.”
Lace: “We just need a little information.”
Varric: “((huff)) She got away.”
Lace: “You’re getting slow, your Viscountship…”
Elf dude: “How do I know I can trust you?”
Neve: “I’m friends with the Shadow Dragons. We’re trying to help anyone held as slaves in Minrathous. We want to help you now.”
Elf dude: “Yes… but…”
Lace: “Then you’ll tell us what we need to know?”
Varric: “There’s coin in it for you. Enough for a proper meal. For you and your friend back there.”
Elf dude: “All right. What do you want to know?”
Lace: “We want to know about the person you’ve been working for.”
Varric: “We want to know where to find Solas.”
Elf dude: “Solas? You think I’m working with him?”
Varric: “Well, aren’t you?”
Elf dude: “Of course not. Solas was here, and he helped us. More than any Shadow Dragons. More than the authorities. He freed us from those Venatori bastards.”
Varric: “But why? What did he get out of it? Surely, he’d want something in return.”
Elf dude: “No. Nothing. When he attacked the Venatori, he saw what they had done to us–his kin–and he did the only decent thing. He set us free.”
Lace: “So where is he now?”
Elf dude: “He’s leaving Minrathous. Via the canals. If you go now, you might still be able to catch up with him.”
Varric: “Then we should go. Now.” I do enjoy how focused Lace is. I would put her in charge of this whole mission. That said, I have to agree with Varric. It's weird. This isn't the laidback scout we know.
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Post by eaglepursuit on May 1, 2023 15:15:34 GMT
Hrungr Text of the poor quality Apple Missing #4 comic preview panels. a transcription - Lace: “With what? The rancid smell of overflowing sewers? The vomit of a thousand drunks?”
Lace: “We’re a long way from home, Varric. And we shouldn’t get too comfortable.”
Varric: “Aren’t you just a barrel of laughs today? In fact, you’ve been miserable ever since we left Arlathan. What’s going on, Harding?”
Lace: “Miserable, it it?”
Varric: “Well, quiet, then. Not yourself. You know what I mean.”
Lace: “And you know what’s going on, Varric. All that time we wasted laying a so-called trap for a Venatori assassin who never even showed up. We’ve lost precious days. Time we should have spent picking up Solas’s trail. We could have been here in Minrathous days ago.”
Varric: “So you’ve said. Repeatedly. But it has to mean something, doesn’t it? First the Venatori are in the Deep Roads, then they’re in Vyrantium, and Arlathan. It’s clearly no coincidence.”
Lace: “What does it matter? It’s just a distraction. If they’re trying to stop us from getting to Solas, it’s working.”
Varric: “But what if they’re not trying to stop us? If they wanted to kill us, they’d have made their move by now. Instead, it’s like they’ve been looking out for us. Watching our backs. The dead ‘spawn in the Deep Roads. Saving me from the leopard in the forest…”
Lace: “So now you think they’re our secret bodyguards?”
Varric: “No. But what if it’s all linked? To Solas. Somehow.”
Lace: “Then that’s even more reason to focus on finding him. Not that we even have a plan for what happens when we do.”
Varric: “I’m going to talk to him, tell him –”
Lace: “And what if talking’s not enough? What then?”
Varric: “What are you suggesting?”
Lace: “Right now? That we need some help.”
Varric: “All right. That I can do. There’s a woman here in Minrathous…”
Varric: “An investigator by the name of Neve Gallus. If anyone knows if Solas has been here, she will…”
Varric: “Neve!”
Neve Gallus: “If it isn’t Viscount Tethras of Kirkwall.”
Varric: “I’ve warned you about that before. Varric. Please.”
Neve: “Whatever it is you want, Varric, it must be important.”
Varric: “What makes you say that?”
Neve: “You’ve only been in Minrathous five minutes. And now here you are.”
Lace: “But… how did you know that?”
Neve: “I’m an investigator. It pays to have eyes and ears on the city gates.”
Varric: “See. I told you she was a good detective. If anyone can help us find Solas, she can.”
Neve: “Solas. Now there’s a name I’m tired of hearing lately. You’d better sit down.”
Lace: “You’ve heard of Solas, here, in Minrathous?”
Neve: “Your friend is quite intense.”
Varric: “It’s been a long road to get here, Neve, and our trail has gone cold. We need to find Solas. Soon. If you know something, don’t be shy.”
Neve: “An elf, right?”
Varric: “Right.”
Neve: “He’s been here causing trouble. Word is, he attacked a bunch of Venatori sites in the city and stole some artifacts from them. Pissed them off good and proper.”
Lace: “That explains a lot…”
Varric: “No wonder the Venatori are showing an interest.”
Neve: “There’s more. It seems your friend freed a group of elven slaves while he was at it.”
Varric: “Venatori slaves.”
Neve: “Precisely. So now we’ve got a bunch of rebellious elves causing trouble throughout the city, presumably in the name of the one who freed them… And we have a load of angry Venatori hell-bent on revenge.”
Neve: “So, are you sure you want to go getting mixed up in the middle of it all?”
Lace: “Causing trouble in Minrathous is just the beginning. He’s going to do much worse unless we stop him.”
Varric: “We don’t know that. Not yet. That’s why we need to find him.”
Lace: “Varric, Solas clearly doesn’t want to be found. He’s already tried to warn us off. And now he’s stirring up trouble with the Venatori. You need to prepare yourself–the only way to stop him now might be with an arrow.”
Varric: “The Venatori deserve everything they get. And slaves should be freed. Always. What it tells me is there might still be hope for Solas yet. I’ll knock some sense into the fool. When we find him. Speaking of which… You’ll be well compensated, Neve, if you can offer any leads?”
Neve: “I can do better than that, Varric, for an old friend… …I can take you to see some of the escaped slaves. Some people I work with, the Shadow Dragons, have been trying to help them. I have word on where some of them have been trying to source food.”
Lace: “And if they turn out to be working with Solas?”
Neve: “Then you’ll be one step closer to finding him.”
Lace: “Varric? What is it?”
Varric: “Oh, just our unwanted companion, snooping around again.”
Lace: “Then the sooner we get to the bottom of this…”
Lace: “…the better.”
Varric: “This looks like a rough sort of place for a meeting.”
Neve: “It is. But this is where some of the freed slaves have been coming to find food. Courtesy of a sympathetic kitchen maid, who saves up the scraps and leaves them, out around the back.”
Lace: “How do you know all this?”
Neve: “The Shadow Dragons make it their business to help those in need. And I make it my business to help them. Now–here we are…”
Elf lady: “Run!”
Varric: “No! Don’t… run. ((sigh)) One each, Harding?”
Lace: “You got it!”
Varric: “I’ll try to head her off the other way.”
Neve: “Aren’t you going to run after him?”
Lace: “No need.”
Elf dude: “((huff))” (harding shoots an arrow and cuts a rope above on which sheets where hung)
Elf dude: “Oomph!” (here he's fallen down because a sheet that was hung up got knocked down on him) “No. Please. I don’t want to go back. Don’t make me go back.”
Neve: “We’re not with the Venatori. Or the authorities. We’re not going to hurt you.”
Lace: “We just need a little information.”
Varric: “((huff)) She got away.”
Lace: “You’re getting slow, your Viscountship…”
Elf dude: “How do I know I can trust you?”
Neve: “I’m friends with the Shadow Dragons. We’re trying to help anyone held as slaves in Minrathous. We want to help you now.”
Elf dude: “Yes… but…”
Lace: “Then you’ll tell us what we need to know?”
Varric: “There’s coin in it for you. Enough for a proper meal. For you and your friend back there.”
Elf dude: “All right. What do you want to know?”
Lace: “We want to know about the person you’ve been working for.”
Varric: “We want to know where to find Solas.”
Elf dude: “Solas? You think I’m working with him?”
Varric: “Well, aren’t you?”
Elf dude: “Of course not. Solas was here, and he helped us. More than any Shadow Dragons. More than the authorities. He freed us from those Venatori bastards.”
Varric: “But why? What did he get out of it? Surely, he’d want something in return.”
Elf dude: “No. Nothing. When he attacked the Venatori, he saw what they had done to us–his kin–and he did the only decent thing. He set us free.”
Lace: “So where is he now?”
Elf dude: “He’s leaving Minrathous. Via the canals. If you go now, you might still be able to catch up with him.”
Varric: “Then we should go. Now.” I do enjoy how focused Lace is. I would put her in charge of this whole mission. That said, I have to agree with Varric. It's weird. This isn't the laidback scout we know. It's kind of weird. The series started with Charter telling Varric that she chose him to go with Harding because she feared that Harding didn't have the guts to pull the trigger, but now Varric seems like the one who is squeamish about killing Solas.
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Post by luketrevelyan on May 1, 2023 15:30:47 GMT
What makes you say that? What happens? Just asking since I hate that line and mindset they forced us into. Varric says that to Harding at the end of the comic after being duped by Solas:
“Maybe it’s time we brought in some fresh help. Someone Solas doesn’t know. Someone he won’t see coming.” Yeah, so nothing new there but I guess they just want to re-emphasize the need for a new protagonist.
Maybe Varric and/or Harding will be advisors in Dreadwolf but keeping their distance. If either is a companion, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense narratively.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on May 1, 2023 15:53:52 GMT
In case anyone else was wondering, Neve Gallus has appeared in Tevinter Nights, in the short story "The Streets of Minrathous". I thought her name sounded familiar.
So it seems like every issue has a character or two that first appeared in the novels. Hm. Are these the people Solas wouldn't know?
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Post by eaglepursuit on May 1, 2023 16:09:17 GMT
It seems likely that Neve is going to play a strong role in Dreadwolf. Between The Missing and her story in TN, she obviously knows her way around Minrathous and has connections to both the Templars as well as the Shadow Dragons. She has also tangled with the Venatori.
She would be an ideal advisor and seems like a likely mage companion. Also she seems to be unaffiliated with the magisterium or any rebel groups, so she will have a unique perspective on her society.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 1, 2023 18:08:11 GMT
Honestly, with how awful the rest of this comic has been, I don’t know why I expected better than this. Too bad Varric won’t follow his words here and we’ll be stuck with him again. Still hate that that is the mindset we’re forced to have in order to have a new protagonist forced into us. It’s not like the Inquisitor constantly surprised Solas or anything. :rolleyes: They definitely using it as a justification for new protagonist, but it also makes sense narratively. Not to mention that new main character each game has always been part of Dragon Age. I don't know why some people so mad about it now. Corypheus was Hawke's problem first, but Inquisition still had new character instead of Hawke and it was not an issue Well, 1, you don't start Inquisition knowing its Corypheus. So Hawke wouldn't seem a necessity at first. 2, Hawke doesn't know Corypheus is still a Thing. The Inquisitor is very much aware Solas is a continued issue and vows to deal with him in one of two ways. This is my major hang up. If they'd stopped with Inquisition's ending, the Inquisitor not dealing with him would be fine, imo. But they did Trespasser, had him explain to the problem-solving-focused hero (who is possibly a friend or lover) that he was going to be a threat in the future, and then that hero had a secret strat meeting in a basement where s/he discussed how s/he was going to deal with him. Before Trespasser, passing the buck would make sense. After, its like Shepard hearing about the reapers and then passing the mission off to the Virmire survivor in the next game. Like, yeah, they can be capable and are eventually spectre material, but its *Shepard's* fight and Shepard is aware of it. Its weird. EDIT: 2a, When Hawke *does* find out Corypheus is a Thing, s/he returns and is responsible for dealing with a part of his plans. So, arguably that was the writing recognizing that Hawke would want to deal with him if/when Hawke knew about him. BioWare will set it up, but new main character makes it that much easier for writers and also players who just want to launch the game and have fun. Do you think those people who are new to series will be OK if they have to research something in order to understand the plot? I mean, exposition in the start of the game is a thing, though. They'll also be giving exposition to establish what Thedas is, what the heck Tevinter is, probably who Dorian is, etc. You could easily have a game prologue of the Inquisitor being snuck in to Tevinter, dealing with some thugs or something, and talking with Dorian and establish both the combat and character exposition necessary to understand the Inquisitor, their mission, and their relationship to said characters and mission in the start of the game. Witcher 2 and 3 certainly did it well enough, for example. Most people who played 3 did not play 1 or even 2. Players aren't complete morons who only understand blank slate starts.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2023 18:15:37 GMT
They definitely using it as a justification for new protagonist, but it also makes sense narratively. Not to mention that new main character each game has always been part of Dragon Age. I don't know why some people so mad about it now. Corypheus was Hawke's problem first, but Inquisition still had new character instead of Hawke and it was not an issue Well, 1, you don't start Inquisition knowing its Corypheus. So Hawke wouldn't seem a necessity at first. 2, Hawke doesn't know Corypheus is still a Thing. The Inquisitor is very much aware Solas is a continued issue and vows to deal with him in one of two ways. This is my major hang up. If they'd stopped with Inquisition's ending, the Inquisitor not dealing with him would be fine, imo. But they did Trespasser, had him explain to the problem-solving-focused hero (who is possibly a friend or lover) that he was going to be a threat in the future, and then that hero had a secret strat meeting in a basement where s/he discussed how s/he was going to deal with him. Before Trespasser, passing the buck would make sense. After, its like Shepard hearing about the reapers and then passing the mission off to the Virmire survivor in the next game. Like, yeah, they can be capable and are eventually spectre material, but its *Shepard's* fight and Shepard is aware of it. Its weird. Not even passing it to the VS. It’d be like passing it off to Coates, some random soldier Shepard never even met.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 1, 2023 18:22:18 GMT
Well, 1, you don't start Inquisition knowing its Corypheus. So Hawke wouldn't seem a necessity at first. 2, Hawke doesn't know Corypheus is still a Thing. The Inquisitor is very much aware Solas is a continued issue and vows to deal with him in one of two ways. This is my major hang up. If they'd stopped with Inquisition's ending, the Inquisitor not dealing with him would be fine, imo. But they did Trespasser, had him explain to the problem-solving-focused hero (who is possibly a friend or lover) that he was going to be a threat in the future, and then that hero had a secret strat meeting in a basement where s/he discussed how s/he was going to deal with him. Before Trespasser, passing the buck would make sense. After, its like Shepard hearing about the reapers and then passing the mission off to the Virmire survivor in the next game. Like, yeah, they can be capable and are eventually spectre material, but its *Shepard's* fight and Shepard is aware of it. Its weird. Not even passing it to the VS. It’d be like passing it off to Coates, some random soldier Shepard never even met. That was the rando in Big Ben, right? Yes, I suppose that's even more apt. I was trying to be generous. lol
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Post by gervaise21 on May 1, 2023 18:51:42 GMT
Neve isn’t apart of The Shadow Dragons, unlike the other characters we’ve met who were part of the factions that were featured in the comic. Makes me think she’ll be a companion, and she does look similar to that tall lady character in the alleged companion lineup we saw back in the 2020 Gamescom trailer. I have been saying this for a while and now that she is confirmed as the "contact" in Minrathous at the very least we will be working with her there. However, the fact that she doesn't have a significant other in either TN or this comic makes me think she will be a companion. That is all to the good because she is a capable mage brought up in Tevinter but not from the higher ranks of society (or has renounced such links) but with useful contacts throughout society from the Imperial Templars to these Shadow Dragons. In fact it occurs to me that we know very little of Neve's actual background, which also suggests a likely companion as it will be up to our new PC to discover her history. -The Shadow Dragons are an interesting name, maybe the meaning behind the name will be more clever once we learn more about the faction. This could be the collective name of the group led by the Viper as this would then fit with each issue of the comic featuring people/factions that appeared in the DA Day short stories. I think they could also be the anti-slavery group mentioned in TN and possibly also the mysterious benefactors who employed Lucanis to take out prominent Venatori. If they are all one and the same group, then I definitely find them interesting and wouldn't mind being aligned with them. In order for Varric and Harding to execute their plan, they need to keep distance from the person “Solas will never see coming.” Otherwise… what’s the point? Which is why I have been arguing against Varric in particular as a companion or major contact in the game, because Solas definitely knows him well. It is peculiar though that Harding wasn't arguing this from the start seeing as she does attend the meeting at the end of Trespasser where the Inquisitor makes this very point. My whole problem with the concept of this comic series is that the pair of them were trying to track Solas when he knows who they are and, as quickly became apparent, was following their progress, plus they had no previously agreed plan (with the Inquisitor) as to what to do with Solas if they did catch up with him. Really this whole series has been one gigantic wild goose chase, the main purpose of which seems to have been to showcase which factions/individuals we are most likely to be working with in the game (whether companions or not) and major locations we may be visiting.
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