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Post by eaglepursuit on May 1, 2023 19:09:40 GMT
The title, "The Missing", clearly refers to all the times these two keep missing Solas, and missing the clues that they are never going to catch him this way.
And the whole thing ends with a "Well, dang."
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 1, 2023 19:20:44 GMT
Really this whole series has been one gigantic wild goose chase, the main purpose of which seems to have been to showcase which factions/individuals we are most likely to be working with in the game (whether companions or not) and major locations we may be visiting. Its other purpose seems to be reiterating the Trespasser choice that the player will have to (re)make in the next game, but in a way that is separate from the Inquisitor.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 1, 2023 19:24:41 GMT
It does seem as though the factions featured/mentioned in this comic series correspond with the DA short stories and the trailer from 2020, where the corresponding Twitter thread said it showcased factions we would be working with. This seems to me to be a positive as it does mean that the trailer is still relevant to the game. So the main factions are: Grey Wardens - likely featuring action in both Weishauppt and the Deep Roads. Introduction likely to be through Evka and Antoine but another GW, likely Davrin will actually be the companion.
Antivan Crows - although more likely in Vyrantium than Antiva itself but possibly both. Once again, the two Crows featured in the comic, Viago and Teia, will be our contacts but not companions, although may be they will assign an underling to work with us.
Veil Jumpers - including the Arcane Archer seen in the trailer and concept art, who most likely will be the companion assigned to us, with Strife and Irelin as our contacts. They could also be connected with the Executors, based off some similarities in the symbols used to illustrate the short story. They didn't dig too deep into their background in the comics, so leaving plenty for our new PC to discover.
Shadow Dragons - Neve will likely be our companion with links to them without actually being from their organisation but it could be she will merely be our contact in Minrathous and an actual Shadow Dragon will be the companion. Could Bellara be a Shadow Dragon?
Venatori - will once again be antagonists, although might try and work with us to get Solas off their backs. May be they will be an optional for people who don't mind taking the chance on them (I wouldn't) and just want rid of Solas rather than try to save him. I think it more likely they will be getting in our way though and creating other dangers due to their use of red lyrium. I'm pretty sure this is why Solas is now thwarting their plans. Remember what the Wigmaker was doing to his slaves? No wonder Solas is attacking them. No doubt they offend him in much the same way the Qun do, plus red lyrium is a real threat to the future of Thedas.
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Post by necrowaif on May 1, 2023 19:38:25 GMT
It's now becoming kind of clear to me that Tevinter Nights was sort of a testing ground for new NPCs in the fourth game, be they party members or otherwise.
I'd like to think that, through my constant badmouthing of the character, I played a small part in getting Gary Stu Lucanis Dellamorte killed off before he could show up in Dreadwolf.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 1, 2023 19:45:40 GMT
EDIT: 2a, When Hawke *does* find out Corypheus is a Thing, s/he returns and is responsible for dealing with a part of his plans. So, arguably that was the writing recognizing that Hawke would want to deal with him if/when Hawke knew about him. I never really bought the "I'm responsible for Corypheus" line because ultimately it was the Grey Wardens who should have been dealing with him and it was down to them that Hawke ever got involved owing to their blackmail of Malcolm Hawke. This is why I found it peculiar that Hawke was mixed up in Grey Warden affairs before they knew Cory was involved with their odd behaviour. The only other real connection with the Wardens was Anders (who had absconded from the organisation) and whoever was leading the Wardens during the Qunari attack on Kirkwall, who just happened to be in the city when it all kicked off and didn't really want to get involved any more than that one brief encounter. There was more of a connection if their sibling had been recruited but that is not a given. By contrast, Hawke should have been involved with the Mage/Templar resolution, based off what was said at the end of DA2, and the fact that Cassandra confirmed the Divine had wanted them to be at the Conclave. Yet even though the Divine went boom, leading to more chaos and both sides running rampant in the countryside, Hawke doesn't involve themselves until after that situation had been dealt with. So, why did Varric not contact them immediately after the Conclave?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 1, 2023 19:48:29 GMT
I would suggest that the whole purpose of The Missing was to preview who might be companions in the next game. I doubt they will be companions, not permanent ones anyway, apart from perhaps Neve. However, she does seem to have been set up as our contact in Minrathous, which I always imagined would be Dorian, so I don't know what is going on there. What they did seem to be showcasing was the factions we are going to be involved with, together with main locations. See my earlier post.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 1, 2023 19:55:59 GMT
Its other purpose seems to be reiterating the Trespasser choice that the player will have to (re)make in the next game, but in a way that is separate from the Inquisitor. Seems a bit pointless. This series was more likely to be of interest to established fans who had played Trespasser. Otherwise, the vague threat that Solas is said to present would mean very little to a casual reader, who may not necessarily end up playing the game anyway, whilst people who play the game but have not read the comic would also need to be brought up to speed on the "choices" and this may well change as the game progresses, so the comic series does seem to have been some sort of showcasing of factions and little else. Considering all the individuals and factions had previously been mentioned in either TN, short stories or both, it was very much a case of "Much Ado About Nothing".
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Post by dayze on May 1, 2023 20:09:08 GMT
EDIT: 2a, When Hawke *does* find out Corypheus is a Thing, s/he returns and is responsible for dealing with a part of his plans. So, arguably that was the writing recognizing that Hawke would want to deal with him if/when Hawke knew about him. I never really bought the "I'm responsible for Corypheus" line because ultimately it was the Grey Wardens who should have been dealing with him and it was down to them that Hawke ever got involved owing to their blackmail of Malcolm Hawke. This is why I found it peculiar that Hawke was mixed up in Grey Warden affairs before they knew Cory was involved with their odd behaviour. The only other real connection with the Wardens was Anders (who had absconded from the organisation) and whoever was leading the Wardens during the Qunari attack on Kirkwall, who just happened to be in the city when it all kicked off and didn't really want to get involved any more than that one brief encounter. There was more of a connection if their sibling had been recruited but that is not a given. By contrast, Hawke should have been involved with the Mage/Templar resolution, based off what was said at the end of DA2, and the fact that Cassandra confirmed the Divine had wanted them to be at the Conclave. Yet even though the Divine went boom, leading to more chaos and both sides running rampant in the countryside, Hawke doesn't involve themselves until after that situation had been dealt with. So, why did Varric not contact them immediately after the Conclave? Well; aside from his father's connection to the Grey Wardens via helping to keep Corypheus in jail.....which brings up a factor I hadn't thought about before, is Hawke's father a missing "hero" or "player character" more or less? Was a mercenary battle mage, met Hawke's noble mom....has at least one "big" adventure dealing with epic stuff with Cory, has friends among the templars (presumably some adventures there) and runs off to Fereldan with Hawke's mother. Honestly never thought of the similarities between Hawke's life and his father, be mercenary, have adventures, have one "big" adventure than run off and drop out of sight.
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Post by dayze on May 1, 2023 20:14:12 GMT
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Post by colfoley on May 1, 2023 20:16:06 GMT
The end decisions in Tresspasser has been heavily criticized in some circles. Whether or not BioWare is aware of said criticism or not it is clear they wanted to refresh everyone's minds and show their work again on this issue, maybe just to remind everyone, maybe to show that they are still doing it, maybe to show the proof for it in the first place. Which does have a certain amount of out of universe logic to it, reinforcing ideas in literature is never a bad thing...unless you are into pure episodic fiction. Plus it does mean that the comic series was marketing for the pure fan...which again makes sense since 'casual readers' are unlikely to pick it up as much.
Now as far as the Inquisition's role in Dreadwolf will be this does lead us with two basic options since we know they will at least have some contact with one another since we know that Varric is going to be in the game and that in game trailer from December indicates he will be talking to the new protagonist/ group. Still A. we run into Varric and company early in the game and they explain to us/ new players the threat of Solas and some of the background of the situation. Or B. We discover Solas's threat and plans on our own only for Varric to come into the pciture relatively late in the process.
In either case it is still likely we will then lose contact with the Inquisition somehow for most of the game once their purpose in the narrative is solved. I'm not going to say it is the only way to make sense given the parameters but there is a certain logic to it, since Solas is keeping an eye on things. Though the Inquisition is likely to pop up again before the end of the game, probably just to gloat.
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Post by colfoley on May 1, 2023 20:19:23 GMT
It's now becoming kind of clear to me that Tevinter Nights was sort of a testing ground for new NPCs in the fourth game, be they party members or otherwise. I'd like to think that, through my constant badmouthing of the character, I played a small part in getting Gary Stu Lucanis Dellamorte killed off before he could show up in Dreadwolf.You and me both.
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Post by Iddy on May 1, 2023 21:47:42 GMT
The title, "The Missing", clearly refers to all the times these two keep missing Solas, and missing the clues that they are never going to catch him this way. And the whole thing ends with a "Well, dang." On the bright side, it is nice to have a competent antagonist for once.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 1, 2023 21:49:34 GMT
The title, "The Missing", clearly refers to all the times these two keep missing Solas, and missing the clues that they are never going to catch him this way. And the whole thing ends with a "Well, dang." On the bright side, it is nice to have a competent antagonist for once. Competent? Solas hasn’t succeeded once with his plans, and/or made things worse.
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Post by Heimdall on May 1, 2023 22:53:34 GMT
It's now becoming kind of clear to me that Tevinter Nights was sort of a testing ground for new NPCs in the fourth game, be they party members or otherwise. I'd like to think that, through my constant badmouthing of the character, I played a small part in getting Gary Stu Lucanis Dellamorte killed off before he could show up in Dreadwolf. Amen! Yes, I sort of suspected something like that in Tevinter Nights when I first read it. Almost every story there featured a character with a “companion tier” backstory, revealed or hinted at. Whether they were companions or just important NPCs, I expect those that have continued to appear (Viago, Teia, Evka, Antoine, Neve, and Strife) will be quite important. i’d still be shocked if Dorian isn’t prominently involved in Minrathous though.
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Post by Iddy on May 2, 2023 0:20:43 GMT
On the bright side, it is nice to have a competent antagonist for once. Competent? Solas hasn’t succeeded once with his plans, and/or made things worse. Yes, but he isn't thwarted at every step like, say, Corypheus.
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Post by colfoley on May 2, 2023 0:41:07 GMT
Iddy Does have a point. I mean maybe if he can learn from his failures then maybe he can be a pretty competent villain. Which remember there is also some evidence that his campaign aginst the Evanuris was also quite successful before they killed Mythal. AND he was also quite competent because he has had a fairly good track record of executing his plans. Afterall he was able to, apparently, trick the Evanuris and their rivals into going where he wanted to so he could trap them. What Solas's flaws are is that he isn't always able to properly understand or anticipate the consequences of his actions in the past, and that his current plan is logically flawed if we take it on face value...however he is quite competent in being able to actually pull his plans off. So we shouldn't take him lightly.
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Post by dayze on May 2, 2023 0:48:47 GMT
On the bright side, it is nice to have a competent antagonist for once. Competent? Solas hasn’t succeeded once with his plans, and/or made things worse. To the extent that even the Nightmare demon called him on it really.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 2, 2023 0:49:58 GMT
I never really bought the "I'm responsible for Corypheus" line because ultimately it was the Grey Wardens who should have been dealing with him and it was down to them that Hawke ever got involved owing to their blackmail of Malcolm Hawke. This is why I found it peculiar that Hawke was mixed up in Grey Warden affairs before they knew Cory was involved with their odd behaviour. The only other real connection with the Wardens was Anders (who had absconded from the organisation) and whoever was leading the Wardens during the Qunari attack on Kirkwall, who just happened to be in the city when it all kicked off and didn't really want to get involved any more than that one brief encounter. There was more of a connection if their sibling had been recruited but that is not a given. By contrast, Hawke should have been involved with the Mage/Templar resolution, based off what was said at the end of DA2, and the fact that Cassandra confirmed the Divine had wanted them to be at the Conclave. Yet even though the Divine went boom, leading to more chaos and both sides running rampant in the countryside, Hawke doesn't involve themselves until after that situation had been dealt with. So, why did Varric not contact them immediately after the Conclave? Well; aside from his father's connection to the Grey Wardens via helping to keep Corypheus in jail.....which brings up a factor I hadn't thought about before, is Hawke's father a missing "hero" or "player character" more or less? Was a mercenary battle mage, met Hawke's noble mom....has at least one "big" adventure dealing with epic stuff with Cory, has friends among the templars (presumably some adventures there) and runs off to Fereldan with Hawke's mother. Honestly never thought of the similarities between Hawke's life and his father, be mercenary, have adventures, have one "big" adventure than run off and drop out of sight. Random thought, but have we ever had confirmation he's dead?
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Post by Iddy on May 2, 2023 0:56:05 GMT
Well; aside from his father's connection to the Grey Wardens via helping to keep Corypheus in jail.....which brings up a factor I hadn't thought about before, is Hawke's father a missing "hero" or "player character" more or less? Was a mercenary battle mage, met Hawke's noble mom....has at least one "big" adventure dealing with epic stuff with Cory, has friends among the templars (presumably some adventures there) and runs off to Fereldan with Hawke's mother. Honestly never thought of the similarities between Hawke's life and his father, be mercenary, have adventures, have one "big" adventure than run off and drop out of sight. Random thought, but have we ever had confirmation he's dead? Hawke? Well, let me put it this way: If you decide to have the Warden ally stay behind in the Fade, Hawke shows up in Trespasser's epilogue. If you choose otherwise, he doesn't.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 2, 2023 0:59:34 GMT
Random thought, but have we ever had confirmation he's dead? Hawke? Well, let me put it this way: If you decide to have the Warden ally stay behind in the Fade, Hawke shows up in Trespasser's epilogue. If you choose otherwise, he doesn't. I meant Malcolm. Like, I think we've had confirmation the kids *think* he's dead, but they never go in to the circumstances of it all, right?
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Post by dayze on May 2, 2023 1:00:35 GMT
Well; aside from his father's connection to the Grey Wardens via helping to keep Corypheus in jail.....which brings up a factor I hadn't thought about before, is Hawke's father a missing "hero" or "player character" more or less? Was a mercenary battle mage, met Hawke's noble mom....has at least one "big" adventure dealing with epic stuff with Cory, has friends among the templars (presumably some adventures there) and runs off to Fereldan with Hawke's mother. Honestly never thought of the similarities between Hawke's life and his father, be mercenary, have adventures, have one "big" adventure than run off and drop out of sight. Random thought, but have we ever had confirmation he's dead? One source says he died three years before the blight, his daughter Bethany says he died "during the blight". His card in the keep is kind of a "ghostly" image hovering in front of the kirkwall emblem with some vague dragon horns around his head. Might be an indication that Hawke's family has some level of dragon blood going on. That and possibly being dead as well. That being said; is referred to as being a circle mage and an apostage mage around the time he met his wife. Another aspect of being a "quantum" character I suppose. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he just body jumps out of a Darkspawn one day.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 2, 2023 7:42:04 GMT
Does have a point. I mean maybe if he can learn from his failures then maybe he can be a pretty competent villain. Which remember there is also some evidence that his campaign aginst the Evanuris was also quite successful before they killed Mythal. AND he was also quite competent because he has had a fairly good track record of executing his plans. Afterall he was able to, apparently, trick the Evanuris and their rivals into going where he wanted to so he could trap them. Whilst it isn't clear exactly when his rebellion began (before or after her death), I think he does blame himself for what happened to Mythal. Since he is shown alongside her in the Deep Roads in Trespasser, it would seem there was some sort of close association between them, plus Flemeth calling him "Old Friend". I've suggested in the past that since he is depicted on her left hand side, if the left hand is universally seen in Thedas as the position of the spymaster (as opposed to the right hand who is the actual bodyguard), then it was a failure in his intelligence gathering that allowed her murder to occur. I would mention here that being confident in traversing the Fade would likely be a prerequisite for an effective spy master back then. It may well be that Mythal aligned with him in order to counter the activities of Dirthamen, who was likely the official spymaster to the Evanuris. I imagine that it was Fen'Harel's skill as a spymaster that allowed him to discover and exploit the weaknesses/vanities of the other gods and entice them into his trap and successfully neutralising at least ten powerful individuals in this way (7 Creators and 3 Forgotten Ones that we know of) was a considerable achievement. It was certainly what allowed him to successfully conduct a rebellion. What Solas's flaws are is that he isn't always able to properly understand or anticipate the consequences of his actions in the past, and that his current plan is logically flawed if we take it on face value.. You should also add his inability to place trust in others. This may be the result of bitter experience but nevertheless it is a definite weakness on his part, particularly in the area of assessing the potential outcomes of an action. However, the very fact that he maintained to Varric that he is now going to try and minimise the damage of his latest plan, does suggests that the Inquisitor (and others) questioning his intentions has had some impact on his thinking once he had time to reflect on their words.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 2, 2023 7:56:20 GMT
I meant Malcolm. Like, I think we've had confirmation the kids *think* he's dead, but they never go in to the circumstances of it all, right? Leandra thinks he is dead too. However, WoT2 simply stops with him departing for Ferelden with her, with no actual details of his death, so I suppose it could be vague to allow for his return one day. More likely, given the hasty development of DA2, perhaps they never really had time to work out the details of his death and, since it wasn't really important to the narrative, they never saw the need to do so subsequently. One source says he died three years before the blight, his daughter Bethany says he died "during the blight". The discrepancy could be put down to the fact that he died in a darkspawn attack prior to the Blight but close enough in time that the two events merged in Bethany's mind. Alternatively, she mixed up Malcolm with Carver, who did die in the Blight, because the latter event so traumatised her subconscious that every death was now linked to it. Or simply the writer of her dialogue momentarily mixed up the two and it wasn't picked up on owing to the tight timescales involved in the release of DA2.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 2, 2023 7:57:46 GMT
For anyone who is interested, I am going to post some ideas concerning the Shadow Dragons over on the Crazy Theories Thread.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 2, 2023 9:48:11 GMT
I cannot take the name Shadow Dragons seriously. It sounds like the name of a little league team, not an organization like theirs.
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