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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 11, 2022 15:06:41 GMT
I think everyone may be reading too much into that Meredith reveal. The series is set almost immediately after Trespasser. Even if they don't commission a second series, it can still be assumed that Meredith was dealt with off screen. Or they intercept and destroy the Circullum, so she is still stuck in a lump of red lyrium in Kirkwall.
I recall Varric telling us they were still stuck with the statue in the Gallows because it was impossible to remove it (or something like that).
Absolution has to also fit a timeline that has Knight Errant in it and the Dread Wolf Take You, both of which mention the statue in the Gallows. Varric was Viscount in Knight Errant and is still a major contact in Kirkwall for the Ben'Hassrath in Tevinter Nights, so at worst Meredith must have upped and left the city with her army, heading for Tevinter.
I don't see it myself but at most she will be a sub-quest along the way. It does really seem rather superfluous to have both Meredith and the Antaam both trying to destroy Tevinter. The Antaam have been given a much higher profile at the end of Trespasser and in associated media, so they are far more likely the ones we have to deal with.
Remember in Solas' picture she is shown with the sword, which she no longer has, and Cory is shown with the orb, which he also no longer has, so his mural is a bit odd if it is meant to be foreshadowing future encounters. Varric also talks of friends losing life and limb as the camera rolls over those pictures, so the implication is definitely they are portraying past events.
Of course, the Devs could have been messing with us and giving misleading information in that trailer but for the present I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 11, 2022 15:45:47 GMT
BSN gotta be the only site who's grown tired of Varric. Everywhere else people are happy to see him!
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 11, 2022 19:19:24 GMT
I think everyone may be reading too much into that Meredith reveal. The series is set almost immediately after Trespasser. Even if they don't commission a second series, it can still be assumed that Meredith was dealt with off screen. Or they intercept and destroy the Circullum, so she is still stuck in a lump of red lyrium in Kirkwall.
Sure they bring Meredith back just so kill her of screen. Not gonna happen. You may disagree but the return of Meredith is bigger than just be Season 2 villian. In the last Absolution there is no statue to see just a big Red Lyrium stone thing. Why? She is clearly good hiding under Kirkwall and right now nobody except her lackeys of course. I don´t see too but i guess that Bioware really want to bring DA 2 and DAI main villians back for the showdown against the Dreadwolf.
The orb no idea but the sword what is the big deal? Maybe it´s still her old one, perhaps the one Samson wield (Have you miss this detail that Corypheus had reforged the sword for Samson? ) or a complete new one. I don´t think that this is such a issue to explain. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Certainty
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 11, 2022 19:54:35 GMT
cuthbertbeckett; In the last Absolution there is no statue to see just a big Red Lyrium stone thing. That's my whole point. There is a comic series and a short story that time wise occur after the series and there is still a statue of Meredith in the Gallows. That lump of red lyrium appears not to be in the Gallows, so did they just chip a piece off and take it elsewhere to grow? I suppose that is a possibility. I've already discussed on the Absolution thread how her spirit could be tied to the lyrium rather than the statue. However, if the Circullum never makes it to Kirkwall, then that is where she is going to stay. If they don't prevent it getting there, the point was made that there would need to be a whole lot of murder to bring her back, so the heroes have to succeed. Or are they going to have the series heroes be as ineffective as our heroes have been in the past in preventing future villains and mass deaths?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 5:26:10 GMT
cuthbertbeckett; In the last Absolution there is no statue to see just a big Red Lyrium stone thing. That's my whole point. There is a comic series and a short story that time wise occur after the series and there is still a statue of Meredith in the Gallows. That lump of red lyrium appears not to be in the Gallows, so did they just chip a piece off and take it elsewhere to grow? I suppose that is a possibility. I've already discussed on the Absolution thread how her spirit could be tied to the lyrium rather than the statue. However, if the Circullum never makes it to Kirkwall, then that is where she is going to stay. If they don't prevent it getting there, the point was made that there would need to be a whole lot of murder to bring her back, so the heroes have to succeed. Or are they going to have the series heroes be as ineffective as our heroes have been in the past in preventing future villains and mass deaths? As in all fantasy universes. Qui-Gonn Jin said, "There's always a bigger fish."
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 14, 2022 10:15:52 GMT
Absolution Spoilers: I am such a fool i am complaining all over Varric but to my defense i have never imagined that they bring Meredith back. It´s a very stupid twist but hear me out maybe the Varric trailers were misleading and he is own fight more against Meredith than Solas. Jeez its even dumber to have Varric as companion or major character right now with the Stand of Season 1? of Absolution because if he is Vicounte or not he should fix Kirkwall first aka putting Meredith finally than dealing with Solas because on Varric agenda is always Kirkwall first. That right there just reinforced my decision to never care about this franchise again.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Dec 18, 2022 1:02:41 GMT
How can anyone hate Varric? He is like the Garrus of DA.
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Post by xerrai on Dec 18, 2022 2:18:57 GMT
Absolution Spoilers: I am such a fool i am complaining all over Varric but to my defense i have never imagined that they bring Meredith back. It´s a very stupid twist but hear me out maybe the Varric trailers were misleading and he is own fight more against Meredith than Solas. Jeez its even dumber to have Varric as companion or major character right now with the Stand of Season 1? of Absolution because if he is Vicounte or not he should fix Kirkwall first aka putting Meredith finally than dealing with Solas because on Varric agenda is always Kirkwall first. That right there just reinforced my decision to never care about this franchise again. Are we sure Absolution is canon, though? Or semi-canon (as the books tend to be)?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2022 3:05:58 GMT
That right there just reinforced my decision to never care about this franchise again. Are we sure Absolution is canon, though? Or semi-canon (as the books tend to be)? It is canon. It’s just currently not connected to DAD.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2022 3:07:03 GMT
How can anyone hate Varric? He is like the Garrus of DA. That’s part of the reason for many. They’re trying to force Varric to be the protagonist’s best friend. They did that so much with Garrus that he got soured to some players too.
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Post by Kyros on Dec 18, 2022 5:32:20 GMT
How can anyone hate Varric? He is like the Garrus of DA. That’s part of the reason for many. They’re trying to force Varric to be the protagonist’s best friend. They did that so much with Garrus that he got soured to some players too. Hey now with Garrus it worked because Shepard was the same protagonist for all 3 main Mass Effect games. Also Garrus is the best boy. With Varric it doesn't work because our protagonist isn't the same from DAII-DA:I-DA:D. As for me, I wish Varric didn't appear in DA:A at all. Not because I hate him but because I believe everything that could have been done with him has been done already. Sometimes a character deserves to get a rest. If he has to come back then I'm fine with him appearing as a major NPC in Dreadwolf as part of our repertoire of allies. However, if he comes backs as a companion though there will be a problem. I don't want him as a companion for the 3rd time, that role for him has worn out completely for me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2022 7:38:14 GMT
That’s part of the reason for many. They’re trying to force Varric to be the protagonist’s best friend. They did that so much with Garrus that he got soured to some players too. Hey now with Garrus it worked because Shepard was the same protagonist for all 3 main Mass Effect games. Also Garrus is the best boy. With Varric it doesn't work because our protagonist isn't the same from DAII-DA:I-DA:D. As for me, I wish Varric didn't appear in DA:A at all. Not because I hate him but because I believe everything that could have been done with him has been done already. Sometimes a character deserves to get a rest. If he has to come back then I'm fine with him appearing as a major NPC in Dreadwolf as part of our repertoire of allies. However, if he comes backs as a companion though there will be a problem. I don't want him as a companion for the 3rd time, that role for him has worn out completely for me. Yeah. And even in DA2 Varric immediately tried to act all buddy buddy which turned me off from him since it made him feel fake. Yeah I definitely hope he isn’t a companion or advisor in DAD. If he has to be in the game I’d prefer him just to be a quest giver we see a couple times.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 18, 2022 8:56:20 GMT
Yeah. And even in DA2 Varric immediately tried to act all buddy buddy which turned me off from him since it made him feel fake. If by fake you mean like a market trader who is trying to convince you to buy his dodgy goods, then I would agree. I initially assumed the friendly attitude was all part of his wheeler dealer persona and not necessarily genuine, at least at the beginning. Let's face it, Varric seems genial to everyone and the only real indication you get of what he really feels about them is found in the nickname he chooses for them. I have to admit, that is why I never really warmed to him as other people have, because I didn't feel the alleged friendship for me had been earned. After all, it doesn't seem to matter how you play your Hawke, he likes them just the same, which is odd when you think about it. I never did discover what you have to do in order to rival him but, whilst I never did this myself, I did feel that he should have had some sort of objection to you handing Fenris back to Danarius. Yet, the only real disapproval I heard him express to my Hawke was on my supporting the mages in Act 3 against an unjust annulment because I was allowing "dangerous people to run amok" (stopping the slaughter of innocent mages, including possibly my sister), as opposed to approving your decision to side with Meredith, the tyrant, because it was "defending our way of life" (Templar imposed martial law but that is okay if he can still do his deals). I never had the same respect for him after that.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 18, 2022 11:48:44 GMT
If he has to come back then I'm fine with him appearing as a major NPC in Dreadwolf as part of our repertoire of allies. Companion or Major NPC like DAI Leliana doesn´t make any difference to me. It doesn´t change the fact that this should have someone else and hadn´t been used that much. The perfect solution would be if he gets a break or ok a small cameo or short side quest but after the trailers this has to be impossible.
Varric is in DAD either as Major NPC or as companion. I clearly don´t want him as companion but with "We´ve got your back...I´ve got your back" line it isn´t far-fetched to think that he is a companion again because there is one thing left which Bioware could tell about him. His death. Which Bioware view as the emotional peak of DAD story and why Solas is so evil and must be stopped.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 18, 2022 14:54:46 GMT
I felt meh towards him even in DA2, not liking him but not fully disliking him. Then in DAI when I learned he lied about Hawke and other parts of his character I just disliked him. Always side with Cassandra in their fight. I know he’s going to be in DAD, but I really hope he isn’t a companion yet again or someone of equal worth like an advisor. Hope he’s just a quest giver at the beginning that sets us on our way and that’s the end of his involvement.
Why is that a surprise that he lied to Cassandra about Hawke's whereabouts? He stated several times in DA2 to Hawke, Aveline, and others that he was a liar.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Dec 18, 2022 17:34:23 GMT
BSN gotta be the only site who's grown tired of Varric. Everywhere else people are happy to see him! BSN would complain about the sun rising every morning.
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Post by githcheater on Dec 18, 2022 17:40:30 GMT
BSN gotta be the only site who's grown tired of Varric. Everywhere else people are happy to see him! BSN would complain about the sun rising every morning. Not me ... I was beginning to think the sun was just an unconfirmed rumor ...
... According to the TV weatherperson, today is the first day I have seen the sun in two weeks (Chicago area).
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Post by ahglock on Dec 18, 2022 18:04:10 GMT
I'm pretty indifferent towards him but I'd rather have all new companions no one in DAI or DA2 really won me over. At least I will give the DAI group this, it makes some sense that they would show up as the story is a direct followup to the conclusion of DAI.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 18, 2022 18:21:52 GMT
BSN would complain about the sun rising every morning. Sure... I would still call it legit critism. It doesn´t matter if you like / love or dislike / hate Varric. Or been neutral about him. Personal i still love Varric in DA2 and pretty much like him in DAI. But this personal feeling towards this character is irrelevant and doesn´t change the fact that Varric is overused in the series and shouldn´t return for a third time as a major character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2022 19:55:18 GMT
I felt meh towards him even in DA2, not liking him but not fully disliking him. Then in DAI when I learned he lied about Hawke and other parts of his character I just disliked him. Always side with Cassandra in their fight. I know he’s going to be in DAD, but I really hope he isn’t a companion yet again or someone of equal worth like an advisor. Hope he’s just a quest giver at the beginning that sets us on our way and that’s the end of his involvement.
Why is that a surprise that he lied to Cassandra about Hawke's whereabouts? He stated several times in DA2 to Hawke, Aveline, and others that he was a liar.
Because my Hawke would have loved to help the Inquisition, so Varric doing that has him acting like he knows what’s best for Hawke and sees them as his which pissed me off.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 18, 2022 21:01:51 GMT
BSN gotta be the only site who's grown tired of Varric. Everywhere else people are happy to see him! BSN would complain about the sun rising every morning.
100% true.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 19, 2022 8:23:48 GMT
At least I will give the DAI group this, it makes some sense that they would show up as the story is a direct followup to the conclusion of DAI. It also makes sense that the Inquisitor would return as the protagonist but we know that isn't going to happen. Also, remember the declaration at the end of Trespasser, that "we need to find people that Solas doesn't know". Solas and Varric were together from the very beginning of DAI, so if anyone is familiar to Solas it is Varric. There is also not much point in having a new hero "they will never seen coming", if they are in regular contact with people that are expected to be involved. If we visit Kirkwall, then I would expect to see Varric but otherwise he would seem an obvious newcomer to locals in somewhere like Tevinter and would naturally draw attention to himself and anyone associated with him.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 19, 2022 17:24:19 GMT
Yea...if Bioware is bringing him back again because he's part of the inquisition and it's story continuation? Then Bioware can honestly go kick rocks. It's too damn late for that excuse. They had their chance when half the fanbase begged for proper story continuation and everyone got told "No! our arbitrary protagonist rule is more important than good story telling"
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Post by fylimar on Dec 21, 2022 7:04:52 GMT
I'm not tired of him. He is still one of my favorite characters in DA.
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Post by Adia on Dec 21, 2022 16:27:21 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it too much, he's so going to die unpreventable death in D4. There are characters who don't survive one game, let alone two. So three games? Nah.
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