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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2022 16:41:03 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it too much, he's so going to die unpreventable death in D4. There are characters who don't survive one game, let alone two. So three games? Nah. It´s hard to imagine that Bioware will kill off Varric at the beginning of DAD. Also new players won´t care if Varric isn´t around for some hours. Between half and before endgame i could imagine that they place Varric death and if he is a companion well we all getting the real Bianca as replacement companion.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Dec 21, 2022 17:11:42 GMT
What is with this poll? I like Varric but I don't want to pic the one pro Varric option because of the way it is worded.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 21, 2022 17:34:55 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it too much, he's so going to die unpreventable death in D4. There are characters who don't survive one game, let alone two. So three games? Nah. If after all these trailers with his voice Varric gets the Jenkins treatment and dies in the first mission, I have to admit I’d laugh and find it worth it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 21, 2022 17:45:36 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it too much, he's so going to die unpreventable death in D4. There are characters who don't survive one game, let alone two. So three games? Nah. It´s hard to imagine that Bioware will kill off Varric at the beginning of DAD. Also new players won´t care if Varric isn´t around for some hours. Between half and before endgame i could imagine that they place Varric death and if he is a companion well we all getting the real Bianca as replacement companion. Would prefer her to Varric.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 21, 2022 18:37:40 GMT
Would prefer her to Varric. I agree. I would like Varric more on a personal level than her but hey Bianca is a "fresh & new" character there we don´t know everything about her. Of course i still would prefer Harding over everything else but i guess this won´t happen. Or why not Charter? I really don´t care about her romance with Tessa maybe it just been a relationship for some years after they break up?
Everyone would be better than Varric but i guess some people won´t want to understand that personal feeling towards Varric is totally insignificant. Unlike Hanako or others i like (or even love him in DA 2) Varric as a character but enough is enough. Someone new or a promoted secondary character like Harding or Charter please.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 21, 2022 20:41:05 GMT
Would prefer her to Varric. I agree. I would like Varric more on a personal level than her but hey Bianca is a "fresh & new" character there we don´t know everything about her. Of course i still would prefer Harding over everything else but i guess this won´t happen. Or why not Charter? I really don´t care about her romance with Tessa maybe it just been a relationship for some years after they break up?
Everyone would be better than Varric but i guess some people won´t want to understand that personal feeling towards Varric is totally insignificant. Unlike Hanako or others i like (or even love him in DA 2) Varric as a character but enough is enough. Someone new or a promoted secondary character like Harding or Charter please.
I don’t think Charter would be a romance, but if she is I don’t think they’d need to break her and Tessa up. Would prefer they didn’t since so far that’s one of two healthy lesbian relationships in Thedas (not counting ones with PCs). I remember BioWare talked about how doing polyamorous relationships would be a nightmare with all the variables and the one way they could do it was if the other two would always get into a relationship or are already in one. They said they’d like to someday, so they could do that with Charter and Tessa.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 22, 2022 8:33:30 GMT
I remember BioWare talked about how doing polyamorous relationships would be a nightmare with all the variables and the one way they could do it was if the other two would always get into a relationship or are already in one. They said they’d like to someday, so they could do that with Charter and Tessa. They could be planning of doing that with Evka and Antoine. There was a focus on Evka and then they brought out the story of their romance. So either they are planning on killing Antoine off to leave a heartbroken Evka to try and heal or they have some other agenda. By using an established heterosexual/bisexual couple they would have scope to cater for every permutation in the polyamorous relationship that wouldn't be possible with Charter and Tessa. Now I'm not suggesting they should do this, just thinking about the ways they might manage it so no one complains they feel left out.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Dec 31, 2022 10:27:29 GMT
Like it or not he has become the narrator of the Dragonage stories now and it usually is through the medium of him recounting the tale or was that just for DA2? The endings at Trespasser gave me the impression of someone finishing the recounting of a tale.
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Post by fairdragon on Jan 10, 2023 12:22:42 GMT
They had their chance when half the fanbase begged for proper story continuation and everyone got told "No! our arbitrary protagonist rule is more important than good story telling" They can tell a good story with out proper story continuation. ME have a proper story continuation and fans complaining about that too and call it not a good story.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 10, 2023 17:05:56 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it too much, he's so going to die unpreventable death in D4. There are characters who don't survive one game, let alone two. So three games? Nah. If after all these trailers with his voice Varric gets the Jenkins treatment and dies in the first mission, I have to admit I’d laugh and find it worth it. While that would put a smile on my face, I rather they give the dwarf the Emily Wong treatment, death via twitter.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 10, 2023 20:04:09 GMT
If after all these trailers with his voice Varric gets the Jenkins treatment and dies in the first mission, I have to admit I’d laugh and find it worth it. While that would put a smile on my face, I rather they give the dwarf the Emily Wong treatment, death via twitter. But with one line of background dialogue ingame so it’s undisputedly canon.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 10, 2023 21:20:03 GMT
While that would put a smile on my face, I rather they give the dwarf the Emily Wong treatment, death via twitter. No character regardless if this character is beloved, hated or the worst thing of all characteristics bland deserves a death by twitter.
Saying this who knows how many non major characters (Varric is of course not such a character) had Bioware killed off screen? And is death by twitter really that much more worse than a fate like the ones Carroll had? Just a ordinary enemy with Carrolls name. (as long as they don't become sour puss like Teagan) Besides all the justified hate Teagan gets as a character its first and foremost bad writing by someone who had no idea what Teagan had been before as a character. But to be honest i don´t care. Teagan is forever ruined as a character for me. I really wish that Arl Teagan unlike Varric (who shouldn´t be in Dreadwolf as a major character but DA 5 or even in DA 6 in a small cameo role why not?) will never returning in this franchise in any form. Varric on the other hand just need a longer break but Bioware have clearly other plans and need him and his deathscene for the important emotional gut punch.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 11, 2023 16:22:25 GMT
Varric on the other hand just need a longer break but Bioware have clearly other plans and need him and his deathscene for the important emotional gut punch. If Varric had died in DA2, I would have cried. If he had died in DAI, I would have been sad. If he dies in DA:D, I'll not be as sad as they probably want me to be.
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Post by Zemgus on Jan 15, 2023 1:49:19 GMT
Varric hasn't worn out his welcome yet in my eyes but stealing the Viscount's job from Hawke was annoying.
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Post by helios969 on Jan 15, 2023 6:24:31 GMT
Varric hasn't worn out his welcome yet in my eyes but stealing the Viscount's job from Hawke was annoying. Nah, after the events of DA2 Hawke was like F*ck! This! City!
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 17, 2023 21:14:48 GMT
Varric hasn't worn out his welcome yet in my eyes but stealing the Viscount's job from Hawke was annoying. What?!? Nobody wanted this job. This also include Hawke. But be fair not even Varric but hey someone had to do it.
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Post by Zemgus on Jan 18, 2023 12:05:47 GMT
Varric hasn't worn out his welcome yet in my eyes but stealing the Viscount's job from Hawke was annoying. What?!? Nobody wanted this job. This also include Hawke. But be fair not even Varric but hey someone had to do it. My Hawke wanted the job. He saw himself as the only one who could get it done after Meredith's unfortunate demise.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 18, 2023 19:24:59 GMT
My Hawke wanted the job. He saw himself as the only one who could get it done after Meredith's unfortunate demise. Your Hawke like all of the Hawke step down form the vicomte job and also don´t return after DAI so it´s hardly Varrics fault. So no Headcanon doesn´t count. So blame Bioware and not Varric.
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Post by ergates on Jan 18, 2023 20:00:30 GMT
There's no option to say so in the poll, but he grew wearisome for me on my first DA:I playthrough.
I couldn't understand it, because he was such a great, interesting, fun character in DA:2, but his Inquisition version just seemed (to me at least) like a lot of the life and spark had been knocked out of him, leaving him a shadow of his former self.
Sure he still had some good moments, but those seemed few and far between. Much of the time, once I'd exhausted his intro dialogue he never really had anything of interest to say - and what he did say often seemed cynical, jaded, or just bone-weary. A far cry from his earlier incarnation.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 18, 2023 22:01:48 GMT
My Hawke wanted the job. He saw himself as the only one who could get it done after Meredith's unfortunate demise. Your Hawke like all of the Hawke step down form the vicomte job and also don´t return after DAI so it´s hardly Varrics fault. So no Headcanon doesn´t count. So blame Bioware and not Varric. Hawke didn’t step down from being Viscount. The Red Templars essentially run you out of the city.
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Post by Guardian on Jan 19, 2023 2:21:20 GMT
I really love Varric; but to me, he didn't belong in the cast of Inquisition. Yes, they tried to set it up, story-wise why he should be there, but it didn't work. I have my own like/dislike (love and hate are too strong of words to use in this instance) with the cast of DA:I, but he really just felt out of place. Worn out his welcome/became annoying? Nope; not at all. The moment I met him back in DA2, I loved him. No matter what core I ran with, I always used Varric. Now...Cullen, on the other hand.....HE wore out his welcome back in the Tower of the Mages in DA:O. And so did Isabella....I just didn't care that she "came back" in DA2. For me, I wish I had the options there are for this poll about her.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2023 9:43:32 GMT
Hawke didn’t step down from being Viscount. The Red Templars essentially run you out of the city. I don't recall that detail at the end of DA2 or in DAI. Surely, you are thinking of the abandoned Exalted March DLC. If you support the mages then the reason for your departure is obvious as it is still essentially a city controlled by Templars and you fought against them. If you supported the Templars, they elect you Viscount, so it is less clear why you should do this, since they acknowledge that Meredith was wrong to attempt to arrest/kill you. However, given the time gap to the year of DAI, which is when Cassandra is questioning Varric, I assumed that Hawke's departure was connected with their quest to discover what was happening with the Wardens. The codex entry for the Champion of Kirkwall would seem to confirm this: Although Hawke is the current viscount of the city, he/she left Kirkwall some time ago, leaving the running of the city to the guard-captain and the seneschal. There is absolutely no mention of being driven out by the Red Templars and it would seem that Averline and Bran were running things in their absence, so hardly a place infested with Red Templars.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2023 9:49:10 GMT
Your Hawke like all of the Hawke step down form the vicomte job and also don´t return after DAI so it´s hardly Varrics fault. Given what the codex entry says if Hawke was elected Viscount, I suppose Averline and Bran eventually decided that Hawke's prolonged absence without explanation had left the position open. However, since Varric was elected, it might reasonably be assumed that Hawke might be still running things from afar. It would also explain why, if Hawke survives the Fade and returns from Weishauppt, the epilogue slide to Trespasser has them back in Kirkwall helping Varric to run things. In the case of former Viscount Hawke, really it is just business as usual.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 19, 2023 9:49:24 GMT
I don't recall that detail at the end of DA2 or in DAI.
Still doesn´t change the fact that Hawke doesn´t want the job again after DAI when the Red Templar threat is done.
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