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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2023 10:03:11 GMT
Still doesn´t change the fact that Hawke doesn´t want the job again after DAI when the Red Templar threat is done. It is odd that the codex says nothing about this. This conversation confirms that they went looking for answers about red lyrium and the Wardens. Clearly, by time Seeker Cassandra turned up the Red Templars must have left too as I'm pretty sure that would be something she would question. Also, why didn't Varric mention it to her? Surely Red Templars forcing the legitimate Viscount to flee would be of concern to the Chantry. It would seem that brief detail in DAI was yet another retcon.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 19, 2023 11:57:33 GMT
I actually dont know much about Varric. I stopped taking him on missions despite he had the special gun - turned out he was totally inferior to even basic Sera.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 19, 2023 15:12:04 GMT
Hawke didn’t step down from being Viscount. The Red Templars essentially run you out of the city. I don't recall that detail at the end of DA2 or in DAI. Surely, you are thinking of the abandoned Exalted March DLC. If you support the mages then the reason for your departure is obvious as it is still essentially a city controlled by Templars and you fought against them. If you supported the Templars, they elect you Viscount, so it is less clear why you should do this, since they acknowledge that Meredith was wrong to attempt to arrest/kill you. However, given the time gap to the year of DAI, which is when Cassandra is questioning Varric, I assumed that Hawke's departure was connected with their quest to discover what was happening with the Wardens. The codex entry for the Champion of Kirkwall would seem to confirm this: Although Hawke is the current viscount of the city, he/she left Kirkwall some time ago, leaving the running of the city to the guard-captain and the seneschal. There is absolutely no mention of being driven out by the Red Templars and it would seem that Averline and Bran were running things in their absence, so hardly a place infested with Red Templars. At 3 minutes in:
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2023 16:45:03 GMT
Cuthbertbecket had already drawn my attention to this. Since I could never bring myself to use a Hawke who sided with Meredith in DAI, I wasn't aware of this conversation. It does seem to me, though, that they went too far here in trying to carry over some of the Exalted March plot. Hawke leaving Kirkwall out of concern over what was happening in the Wardens, at the request of Stroud (or one of the other two), at least made some some of sense, particularly as apparently (according to the codex) they left Averline and Bran running things in their absence, although there seems no reason why Varric couldn't have told Cassandra this. However, the idea that Red Templars drove them out doesn't make sense with respect to the timeline or Cassandra's investigation. There is definitely no earthly reason why Varric shouldn't have told her of this reason for Hawke's absence or why Hawke wouldn't have told Varric about the red lyrium. Why wasn't Cullen aware of the the danger with regard to the Templars and so warned Cassandra when she recruited him from Kirkwall? The implication would be that a significant number of Templars were using it if they were able to intimidate Hawke into leaving. Also, if there was already this use of red lyrium among the Templars of Kirkwall, Varric should already have been aware that someone must have discovered the ancient thaig, which was not the case until he spoke to Bianca. Why would he be surprised at discovering red lyrium at the Temple of Sacred Ashes if he knew Templars were already using the stuff? Putting those words into Hawke's mouth, which only applied if Hawke was Viscount, seems an unnecessary complication to the situation in Kirkwall.
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