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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 30, 2023 15:53:28 GMT
I’m just glad DA4 didn’t come out the same year as BG3, like I originally predicted back in 2019. Even if DA4 turns out to be the best game in the DA series, it would be drowned out by the BG3 tidal wave. Bioware would have rolled a Nat 1 critical failure releasing this year.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 31, 2023 9:07:15 GMT
I’m just glad DA4 didn’t come out the same year as BG3, like I originally predicted back in 2019. Even if DA4 turns out to be the best game in the DA series, it would be drowned out by the BG3 tidal wave. Bioware would have rolled a Nat 1 critical failure releasing this year. I don't necessarily agree. DA have a different tone to larian games and different Combat. Not everyone like turnbase and i have hear people who doesn't play BG3 because of that. DA always have more than english voice acting. I hear people don't play BG3 because they have to read to much.
I would say: that Bioware should have to avoide the same month, as Larian have with starfield. But other than that i see no problem.
I see lots of people buying both.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 31, 2023 9:27:19 GMT
If Dreadwolf is good (not something we have any way of knowing at this stage) then I think BG3 being a success can only help it in the long run. By the time it actually comes out there will be plenty of people who like fantasy RPGs, even some who were introduced to them by BG3, who are looking for something else to play.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 31, 2023 11:14:59 GMT
If Dreadwolf is good (not something we have any way of knowing at this stage) then I think BG3 being a success can only help it in the long run. By the time it actually comes out there will be plenty of people who like fantasy RPGs, even some who were introduced to them by BG3, who are looking for something else to play. I was wondering that more for Hogwarts Legacy but I suppose it is possible that there are D&D people still who have no real clue about video games, see BG III, get intrigued by other games...then try other games. On the note though another fascinating thing that BG III does is...umm...well base line first of all you can use your companions to help you solve different things. Of course this means you have to switch to them but it is interesting how to do it...and leads to some scenarios. Watched a LP where someone was trying to deal with...a Goblin. They were worried about getting into combat with her so they had the person not engaged in the conversation basically go in and close the door and set up an ambush while they weren't in said converstation. Quite interesting to see tactics like that being used in 'real time'.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 22, 2023 13:29:48 GMT
I must say, I find BG3 superior to DA in so many ways: The story is highly addictive, the companions are so much more interesting - even the character, I didn't like in teh beginning, Astarion, had such a great development, that I really started to like him. Karlach - she has a sweet scene, where she has a breakdown and I literally cried, it felt so real and even small side characters are fleshed out and lively. The world of BG feels so alive, while DAI felt kind of empty an static. ANd as a very longtime DnD roleplayer the world of Faerun is more dear to me naturally than Thedas. Don't get me wrong, I really like Thedas and I like the first two DA games a lot, but I started to loose interest with DAI. While I have a lot of playthroughs of DAO and DA2, I have only two finished ones in DAI and a lot of started playthroughs that fizzled out due to me not really caring. BG3 feels like an old time Bioware game - it is exciting and has a griping story, interesting characters and on top of it, it doesn't shy away from really dark topics. I'm playing the Dark Urge background as my second playthrough and it is really gripping. I do agree, that CC could be betetr, that was certainly better in DAI, but BG3 has by far the better hair options - something that was always a topic in DA games. The romances in BG3 are really nice too. I did the SHadowheart romance in my first playthrough and that was really sweet and engaging. It wasn't overly sexual, but it had a lot of content, where you just were there for her, when she had hard decisions and vice versa. It reminded me a bit in flavor of the Iron Bull romance, the only one, I surprisingly really enjoyed in DAI, because of the caring aspect. Astarion, Lae'zel and Karlach are a bit more spicy I think, Gale and Wyll are the more romantic options and Haslin is ... well ... strange, I guess. All in all I think BG3 has more in common with DAO than with DAI and there are a lot more consequences. It is very easy to loose people - companions, allies etc. and you have to find alternative ways to finish a quest.
Oh and being a bard in BG3 beats everything I ever have done in any game - I mean bards are the best in DnD (and no I'm not biased *looking at her bard characters* ), but being able to actually make music - and have other musicians join you - is just so beautiful. Plus you can do insanely good persuasion stunts.
I don't know, what to think about DA4 after so many devs are laid down at Biowares, so I just not talk about it much at the moment. I certainly will not go and buy it blindly, like I did with BG3 in early access in 2020.
I think in the end it comes down to personal flavor - I grew up with DnD, so Bg3 is for me a gaming dream come true. But I don't think, you can objectively call one better than the other, it comes down to personal taste.
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Post by river82 on Sept 22, 2023 14:13:13 GMT
I think in the end it comes down to personal flavor - I grew up with DnD, so Bg3 is for me a gaming dream come true. But I don't think, you can objectively call one better than the other, it comes down to personal taste.
A lot of people won't get past the turn based combat, which is completely valid. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I'm just glad old school Bioware fans are being catered to once again
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Sept 22, 2023 16:47:18 GMT
I think it is unfair to compare the two game with such a gap between the two,BG3 is larger more fleshed out and the characters have more background ect but it also was in early access for over a year,had access to better tech to develop the game with and had better direction. Dragon age Inquisition on the other hand hand suffered from being forced to use frostbite and the conflicts that arose from that, meddling execs from EA and a uneven development cycle with the left hand not knowing what the right was doing and despite that they still turned out a pretty good game. So i will wait until Bioware throws us a bone and shares a bit more information than the static and non sequitur answers we are getting at the moment.
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Post by DragonEffect on Sept 23, 2023 4:40:59 GMT
BG3 really sticks close to the universe of DnD. Dragon Age has its own thing going on. But one thing DA should definitely learn from BG3 is the character creator. Also, the intimacy scenes are more frequent in BG3 and more shameless than in DA IMO.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 25, 2023 12:12:33 GMT
I think it is unfair to compare the two game with such a gap between the two,BG3 is larger more fleshed out and the characters have more background ect but it also was in early access for over a year,had access to better tech to develop the game with and had better direction. Dragon age Inquisition on the other hand hand suffered from being forced to use frostbite and the conflicts that arose from that, meddling execs from EA and a uneven development cycle with the left hand not knowing what the right was doing and despite that they still turned out a pretty good game. So i will wait until Bioware throws us a bone and shares a bit more information than the static and non sequitur answers we are getting at the moment. The early access of BG3 was 3 years, give or take a few month. I'm playing it since November 2020. I think the difference is, that Larian Studio is not tied to a big company, they can do their own thing and do what they want, while EA dictates a lot of what BioWare does nowadays. As I said, I was shocked and sad that they let go so many of the old devs. Makes me afraid for the new DA game tbh. I would 100% do an early access with Larian again, it was fun and they seemed to had fun too with their Panels from Hell. There are a lot of new player for BG3, who came from tabletop games or even never had experienced a roleplaying game. A lot of them ask about similar games and apart from the obvious BG 1&2, many people suggest DAO and I think, this is a good fit. I just wish, DA could have hold that level of storytelling in the later games. While I totally love DA2, mainly for the characters, it is deeply flawed and DAI couldn't hold my attention very long. I hope, that if the success of BG3 brings something to the table, than that the next DA is a bit more back to the roots.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 25, 2023 18:02:56 GMT
I think it is unfair to compare the two game with such a gap between the two,BG3 is larger more fleshed out and the characters have more background ect but it also was in early access for over a year,had access to better tech to develop the game with and had better direction. Dragon age Inquisition on the other hand hand suffered from being forced to use frostbite and the conflicts that arose from that, meddling execs from EA and a uneven development cycle with the left hand not knowing what the right was doing and despite that they still turned out a pretty good game. So i will wait until Bioware throws us a bone and shares a bit more information than the static and non sequitur answers we are getting at the moment. While I totally love DA2, mainly for the characters, it is deeply flawed and DAI couldn't hold my attention very long. I hope, that if the success of BG3 brings something to the table, than that the next DA is a bit more back to the roots. I'll be blunt on this I'll leave if the next DA goes "back to its roots." I wouldn't even get into the Dragon Age series if it weren't for DA2 with its wonderful characters, humor, and story and more importantly: Combat. DA: O was a chore to get through due to it being on console.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 25, 2023 19:01:32 GMT
I do echo the sentiment. It always is a little bit of a funny story to me that after playing Mass Effect decided to get Dragon Age since Inquisition was coming out and wanted to see if it was just as good. But I had heard a lot of negative things about DA 2 so I was hesitant about picking up both it and of coruse heard Origins was super rad. Long story short, since I have told this before I did actually end up liking 2 more. But I do have to wonder if I hadn't gotten both if I would've gotten 2 eventually with how Origins was? Probably. I mean I liked Origins well enough and I did eventually get hyped enough by Inquisition to pre order...and buy the game a second time when I got a PS4. And while I know that the combat...well everything...does come down to personal taste but its not just the combat for me. Both DA 2 and Inquisition holds up pretty well for story, characters, and overall world building...even expanded on those things...so I don't think Dragon Age has ever strayed from its roots. Even the much ballyhooed side quests in Inquisition is still virtually the same from a design perspective just probably suffered from whatever problems Inquisition had in dev. So essentially better combat, weaker side quests, everything the same.
And...awkward, awkward, but I've ultimatley given up on my Lets Play watching for BG III. And while I will continue to know that games are different when you play them...I am just getting the same feeling from BG III that I get when I watch any other D&D campaign since I've been vaguely interested in the idea. The cast of characters is great...but its a different form of 'wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle'. The issue is when you get RP options this why when a player can do everything then that does not lead a lot of time to actually tell a story. As I've mentioned before D&Ds most interesting strength is its entirely an excercise in problem solving. Using your abilities at your disposal, your limitations, and imagination figuring out how to solve whatever issue the DM puts before you. It definitley has its place but its going to be really rare that you're going to get a DM interested in telling an epic storyline...which will probably be really boring for a table top campaign.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 25, 2023 19:07:44 GMT
Larian Studios appears to be the "New Bioware" with its BG3 mega success. I've played over 400 hrs with the Early Access game.
Sure it took a while to go from EA to the full blown game but it was worth it. Besides, the EA game ACT 1 was almost complete when it was released. Now I'm downloading the full patch 3 game and eager to finish the Moon Rise Tower quest then go to the Baldurgate City.
BG3's turn base combat is BS, though. I prefer the faster ME combat any time. Plenty of cinematics and cut scenes in BG3 but thank God you can skip the cinemtatic with the space bar ! Voice acting is comparable to the DA series and I think Astarion is similar to Dorian. Story and script... BG3 wins over DA:I, imo. Quests are more integrated unlike DA:I's. Loot and special / rare equipment / spells BG3 wins hand down over DA:I.
And I agree with an up poster that mentioned it was a good thing DA4 was postponed. BG3 would have crushed Bio's game.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 25, 2023 19:13:41 GMT
I do echo the sentiment. It always is a little bit of a funny story to me that after playing Mass Effect decided to get Dragon Age since Inquisition was coming out and wanted to see if it was just as good. But I had heard a lot of negative things about DA 2 so I was hesitant about picking up both it and of coruse heard Origins was super rad. Long story short, since I have told this before I did actually end up liking 2 more. But I do have to wonder if I hadn't gotten both if I would've gotten 2 eventually with how Origins was? Probably. I mean I liked Origins well enough and I did eventually get hyped enough by Inquisition to pre order...and buy the game a second time when I got a PS4. And while I know that the combat...well everything...does come down to personal taste but its not just the combat for me. Both DA 2 and Inquisition holds up pretty well for story, characters, and overall world building...even expanded on those things...so I don't think Dragon Age has ever strayed from its roots. Even the much ballyhooed side quests in Inquisition is still virtually the same from a design perspective just probably suffered from whatever problems Inquisition had in dev. So essentially better combat, weaker side quests, everything the same. And...awkward, awkward, but I've ultimatley given up on my Lets Play watching for BG III. And while I will continue to know that games are different when you play them...I am just getting the same feeling from BG III that I get when I watch any other D&D campaign since I've been vaguely interested in the idea. The cast of characters is great...but its a different form of 'wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle'. The issue is when you get RP options this why when a player can do everything then that does not lead a lot of time to actually tell a story. As I've mentioned before D&Ds most interesting strength is its entirely an excercise in problem solving. Using your abilities at your disposal, your limitations, and imagination figuring out how to solve whatever issue the DM puts before you. It definitley has its place but its going to be really rare that you're going to get a DM interested in telling an epic storyline...which will probably be really boring for a table top campaign. I mean, I come from tabletop and play D&D for nearly 30 years now and therefore probably have a different perspective, but you can tell a deep story and have roleplay. It is the same in BG3: you can do a lot, but there are consequences, that are sometimes severe. You can loose companions, either through killing them because of your decision or by doing something, that goes against their believes, you can get cut off of storylines or good endings by making poor decisions, you can get a lot of people killed - and so on. I think, the game gives you a really deep story and consequences and let you roleplay a lot.
And don't get me wrong, DA2 is my favourite DA game, despite it'S flaws, because sarcastic female Hawke is the best videogame character after female Malkavian and I die on that hill . Plus the companions are more interesting than in DAO or DAI for me, but DAO just feels more complete and finished.
I mean in the end it is personal taste as I wrote before, I'm not telling people in a Bioware forum, they should like BG3 more than DA or ME, I just give my personal opinion on this. Everyone takes from their favorite games, what they want and having fun in our favourite worlds is the main goal.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 25, 2023 19:24:13 GMT
I do echo the sentiment. It always is a little bit of a funny story to me that after playing Mass Effect decided to get Dragon Age since Inquisition was coming out and wanted to see if it was just as good. But I had heard a lot of negative things about DA 2 so I was hesitant about picking up both it and of coruse heard Origins was super rad. Long story short, since I have told this before I did actually end up liking 2 more. But I do have to wonder if I hadn't gotten both if I would've gotten 2 eventually with how Origins was? Probably. I mean I liked Origins well enough and I did eventually get hyped enough by Inquisition to pre order...and buy the game a second time when I got a PS4. And while I know that the combat...well everything...does come down to personal taste but its not just the combat for me. Both DA 2 and Inquisition holds up pretty well for story, characters, and overall world building...even expanded on those things...so I don't think Dragon Age has ever strayed from its roots. Even the much ballyhooed side quests in Inquisition is still virtually the same from a design perspective just probably suffered from whatever problems Inquisition had in dev. So essentially better combat, weaker side quests, everything the same. And...awkward, awkward, but I've ultimatley given up on my Lets Play watching for BG III. And while I will continue to know that games are different when you play them...I am just getting the same feeling from BG III that I get when I watch any other D&D campaign since I've been vaguely interested in the idea. The cast of characters is great...but its a different form of 'wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle'. The issue is when you get RP options this why when a player can do everything then that does not lead a lot of time to actually tell a story. As I've mentioned before D&Ds most interesting strength is its entirely an excercise in problem solving. Using your abilities at your disposal, your limitations, and imagination figuring out how to solve whatever issue the DM puts before you. It definitley has its place but its going to be really rare that you're going to get a DM interested in telling an epic storyline...which will probably be really boring for a table top campaign. I mean, I come from tabletop and play D&D for nearly 30 years now and therefore probably have a different perspective, but you can tell a deep story and have roleplay. It is the same in BG3: you can do a lot, but there are consequences, that are sometimes severe. You can loose companions, either through killing them because of your decision or by doing something, that goes against their believes, you can get cut off of storylines or good endings by making poor decisions, you can get a lot of people killed - and so on. I think, the game gives you a really deep story and consequences and let you roleplay a lot.
And don't get me wrong, DA2 is my favourite DA game, despite it'S flaws, because sarcastic female Hawke is the best videogame character after female Malkavian and I die on that hill . Plus the companions are more interesting than in DAO or DAI for me, but DAO just feels more complete and finished.
I mean in the end it is personal taste as I wrote before, I'm not telling people in a Bioware forum, they should like BG3 more than DA or ME, I just give my personal opinion on this. Everyone takes from their favorite games, what they want and having fun in our favourite worlds is the main goal.
Asterisks a plenty from what I've been saying for obvious reasons and even now I am not entirely confident of that giant arse post I make thinking about it in hindsight so oh well... But even still the main thrust of my argument is when it comes to things like philosophy, theme, and even lore to an extent. From what I have seen so far of D&D and its setting at large so far (A smattering of campaigns, lore videos, the movie, and BG III) its not a setting that often lends itself to the exploration of philsophical issues with antagonistic characters who have deep and nuanced reactions. Now on the flip side I also recognize that DA is ultimatley a 'generic fantasy setting'(tm) at some level to...but Thedas does also have an examination of philsophical issues on the nature of freedom, choice, organizations, and the issues with historical revisionism. That is what I meant by deeper stories and indeed having a wide degree of choices in your games...be it dialogue choices or decisions you make during quests...can lead to issues in exploring those issues to where it is a balancing act. For me you want enough choices to actually provide the illusion and give the player as much control as possible, but not so much to where it sabtages the other elements of crafting a good story or makes it more difficult to do.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 25, 2023 20:49:44 GMT
I mean, I come from tabletop and play D&D for nearly 30 years now and therefore probably have a different perspective, but you can tell a deep story and have roleplay. It is the same in BG3: you can do a lot, but there are consequences, that are sometimes severe. You can loose companions, either through killing them because of your decision or by doing something, that goes against their believes, you can get cut off of storylines or good endings by making poor decisions, you can get a lot of people killed - and so on. I think, the game gives you a really deep story and consequences and let you roleplay a lot.
And don't get me wrong, DA2 is my favourite DA game, despite it'S flaws, because sarcastic female Hawke is the best videogame character after female Malkavian and I die on that hill . Plus the companions are more interesting than in DAO or DAI for me, but DAO just feels more complete and finished.
I mean in the end it is personal taste as I wrote before, I'm not telling people in a Bioware forum, they should like BG3 more than DA or ME, I just give my personal opinion on this. Everyone takes from their favorite games, what they want and having fun in our favourite worlds is the main goal.
Asterisks a plenty from what I've been saying for obvious reasons and even now I am not entirely confident of that giant arse post I make thinking about it in hindsight so oh well... But even still the main thrust of my argument is when it comes to things like philosophy, theme, and even lore to an extent. From what I have seen so far of D&D and its setting at large so far (A smattering of campaigns, lore videos, the movie, and BG III) its not a setting that often lends itself to the exploration of philsophical issues with antagonistic characters who have deep and nuanced reactions. Now on the flip side I also recognize that DA is ultimatley a 'generic fantasy setting'(tm) at some level to...but Thedas does also have an examination of philsophical issues on the nature of freedom, choice, organizations, and the issues with historical revisionism. That is what I meant by deeper stories and indeed having a wide degree of choices in your games...be it dialogue choices or decisions you make during quests...can lead to issues in exploring those issues to where it is a balancing act. For me you want enough choices to actually provide the illusion and give the player as much control as possible, but not so much to where it sabtages the other elements of crafting a good story or makes it more difficult to do. You have all that and more with the World of Faerun - philisophy, lore, conflict and deep characters.
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Post by river82 on Sept 25, 2023 20:59:49 GMT
While I totally love DA2, mainly for the characters, it is deeply flawed and DAI couldn't hold my attention very long. I hope, that if the success of BG3 brings something to the table, than that the next DA is a bit more back to the roots. I'll be blunt on this I'll leave if the next DA goes "back to its roots." I wouldn't even get into the Dragon Age series if it weren't for DA2 with its wonderful characters, humor, and story and more importantly: Combat. DA: O was a chore to get through due to it being on console. DA:O on console is a horrible experience TBH. In my opinion anyway. They changed the combat to try and get it working on console and it's pretty lacklustre.
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Post by river82 on Sept 25, 2023 21:09:14 GMT
I mean, I come from tabletop and play D&D for nearly 30 years now and therefore probably have a different perspective, but you can tell a deep story and have roleplay. It is the same in BG3: you can do a lot, but there are consequences, that are sometimes severe. You can loose companions, either through killing them because of your decision or by doing something, that goes against their believes, you can get cut off of storylines or good endings by making poor decisions, you can get a lot of people killed - and so on. I think, the game gives you a really deep story and consequences and let you roleplay a lot.
And don't get me wrong, DA2 is my favourite DA game, despite it'S flaws, because sarcastic female Hawke is the best videogame character after female Malkavian and I die on that hill . Plus the companions are more interesting than in DAO or DAI for me, but DAO just feels more complete and finished.
I mean in the end it is personal taste as I wrote before, I'm not telling people in a Bioware forum, they should like BG3 more than DA or ME, I just give my personal opinion on this. Everyone takes from their favorite games, what they want and having fun in our favourite worlds is the main goal.
Asterisks a plenty from what I've been saying for obvious reasons and even now I am not entirely confident of that giant arse post I make thinking about it in hindsight so oh well... But even still the main thrust of my argument is when it comes to things like philosophy, theme, and even lore to an extent. From what I have seen so far of D&D and its setting at large so far (A smattering of campaigns, lore videos, the movie, and BG III) its not a setting that often lends itself to the exploration of philsophical issues with antagonistic characters who have deep and nuanced reactions. Now on the flip side I also recognize that DA is ultimatley a 'generic fantasy setting'(tm) at some level to...but Thedas does also have an examination of philsophical issues on the nature of freedom, choice, organizations, and the issues with historical revisionism. That is what I meant by deeper stories and indeed having a wide degree of choices in your games...be it dialogue choices or decisions you make during quests...can lead to issues in exploring those issues to where it is a balancing act. For me you want enough choices to actually provide the illusion and give the player as much control as possible, but not so much to where it sabtages the other elements of crafting a good story or makes it more difficult to do. One of the most philosophical games ever made until recent times was Planescape Torment which examined what could change the nature of a man. Constantly held up as one of the more poignant stories ever told in video games, unmatched even by Dragon Age storytelling and philosophical musings. DnD btw. DnD and Thedas are worlds, you can explore any philosophical musing you want in those worlds. It's all up to the writers behind the story. In the very first part of the first act in BG3 you have a refugee crisis, how will you solve it? Faerun has a much deeper lore than DA also. "Planescape: Torment is one of the best Infinity Engine games and, by consensus, one of the best RPGs ever made. It’s a game/philosophical treatise/bizarre meditation on life and death that deserves to be played at least once by everyone."( www.pcworld.com/article/406417/planescape-torment-enhanced-edition-is-the-definitive-way-to-play-this-cult-classic-rpg.html )Considered the best-written RPG of all time, Planescape: Torment achieved what few stories can and that is to make such an impact that it has irrevocably changed its genre forever. Its story went against every convention of traditional roleplay from its protagonist The Nameless One being a villain who has a brilliant character arc centered around self-identity and past lives to inventive, beautiful and memorable dialogue. Its interpretation of the Planescape setting was also seen as a welcome breath of fresh air to the typical fantasy conventions of most games in the genre, with a dark sense of humour to reflect its unique world.( www.thegamer.com/best-writing-in-rpgs/ )
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 30, 2023 19:37:12 GMT
I finally caved in and bought BG3. I was looking forward playing tonight but it took over hour and a half downloading.
I can hardly wait to see how poorly my computer will handle running the game.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 30, 2023 20:11:46 GMT
Asterisks a plenty from what I've been saying for obvious reasons and even now I am not entirely confident of that giant arse post I make thinking about it in hindsight so oh well... But even still the main thrust of my argument is when it comes to things like philosophy, theme, and even lore to an extent. From what I have seen so far of D&D and its setting at large so far (A smattering of campaigns, lore videos, the movie, and BG III) its not a setting that often lends itself to the exploration of philsophical issues with antagonistic characters who have deep and nuanced reactions. Now on the flip side I also recognize that DA is ultimatley a 'generic fantasy setting'(tm) at some level to...but Thedas does also have an examination of philsophical issues on the nature of freedom, choice, organizations, and the issues with historical revisionism. That is what I meant by deeper stories and indeed having a wide degree of choices in your games...be it dialogue choices or decisions you make during quests...can lead to issues in exploring those issues to where it is a balancing act. For me you want enough choices to actually provide the illusion and give the player as much control as possible, but not so much to where it sabtages the other elements of crafting a good story or makes it more difficult to do. You have all that and more with the World of Faerun - philisophy, lore, conflict and deep characters. Cool premise still prefer Dragon Age.
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Post by Dekibra on Sept 30, 2023 20:29:09 GMT
There is one thing where BG3 excels unparalleled (at least when it comes to the cringeworthy choices in DA): HAIR!
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Post by coldwetn0se on Oct 3, 2023 4:46:38 GMT
I finally caved in and bought BG3. I was looking forward playing tonight but it took over hour and a half downloading. I can hardly wait to see how poorly my computer will handle running the game. I don't know what your computer is like, but just for a very small example: I have a 10 year old system. Top end back then, and I did upgrade to a GTX 1080 ti, more ram and a new SSD card, over the course of the last five years. The mobo and cpu though, is at its limit. I hit the minimum requirement with my processor. I play at 1080p, and mostly on "high" settings, though I turned down a few things (shadows and a few others),and limited my framerate to 60. Only had (really noticeable) frames dropping around one place in particular in Act 2, and the city proper in Act 3. It never even crashed on me. Anyway, this was just my experience, but your rig may work just as well and potentially better! Have fun!
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Post by wickedcool on Oct 5, 2023 12:57:03 GMT
I’ve been playing now for weeks and there isn’t 1 thing dai does better than Bg3. Dao and da2 have moments where I was like wow that’s emotional etc and for the most part it was lost in dai as it’s such a chore to power up and get to the end
The only thing is it has fast paced combat. The problem with that is even on easy difficulty it can take a lot of hits to kill things other than a dragon and your companions are sometimes buggy as hell
Bg3 excels in romances Bg3 excels in the option of an evil playthrough. Not even close Bg3 has 0 fetch quests Bg3 has 0 npcs that have no dialogue and no look alikes like dai did Bg3 no respawning monsters. Bg3 has more consequences in act 1 than all 3 da games combined Bg3 has better enemies that work together to defeat you Bg3 has better environments Bg3 you can interact more with your environment and the enemy can as well Bg3 camp is better than all 3 camps combined. Camp isn’t a static place. Camping is actually a fun part of the game
Larian is clearly listening and responding better than BioWare ever did. A few days ago they responded to fans by correcting something the fans wanted kept in from a previous fix It’s clear they have changed the rpg landscape and there’s 0 chance dreadwolf will be better. It could be a very good game but there’s no evidence it will do 1/4 of what Bg3 did
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 5, 2023 18:24:11 GMT
I’ve been playing now for weeks and there isn’t 1 thing dai does better than Bg3. Bg3 excels in romances Ignoring your subjective view, this here already proves you wrong. BG3 just has playersexual romances that forces sex, while DA has romances with actual orientations including letting you play Ace.
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Post by biotic on Oct 5, 2023 18:47:39 GMT
I’ve been playing now for weeks and there isn’t 1 thing dai does better than Bg3. Bg3 excels in romances Ignoring your subjective view, this here already proves you wrong. BG3 just has playersexual romances that forces sex, while DA has romances with actual orientations including letting you play Ace. What you're saying is subjective as well. To some of us, BG3's approach to romance is far more liberating. Not to say you're wrong, of course, but it's subjective on which approach one likes best.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 5, 2023 18:58:01 GMT
Ignoring your subjective view, this here already proves you wrong. BG3 just has playersexual romances that forces sex, while DA has romances with actual orientations including letting you play Ace. What you're saying is subjective as well. To some of us, BG3's approach to romance is far more liberating. Not to say you're wrong, of course, but it's subjective on which approach one likes best. Overall true, but the not subjective part is DA has more options for people than BG3 does. I can play as someone with my orientation in the former but not the latter.
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