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Post by wickedcool on Oct 5, 2023 19:46:24 GMT
Ok I’ll give you the tie as it’s subjective but I’m waiting on the rest
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Post by river82 on Oct 5, 2023 19:54:32 GMT
Ignoring your subjective view, this here already proves you wrong. BG3 just has playersexual romances that forces sex, while DA has romances with actual orientations including letting you play Ace. What you're saying is subjective as well. To some of us, BG3's approach to romance is far more liberating. Not to say you're wrong, of course, but it's subjective on which approach one likes best. It's almost all really subjective TBH. One of the things people found refreshing about BG3 is that every encounter felt like a challenge, like Elden Ring. But like Elden Ring, not everybody likes that and to some people that's a massive turn off. Which is fair, people have different tastes. It's nice these games exist though to give people a different experience.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 6, 2023 6:26:08 GMT
Ok I’ll give you the tie as it’s subjective but I’m waiting on the rest They're all subjective you know? Like River said, people have different tastes. I'm looking at BG3 and I'm wondering why are people forcing me to like a CRPG that I'll probably have a hard time playing on console?
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 6, 2023 9:54:18 GMT
The story is highly addictive, the companions are so much more interesting - even the character BG3 is larger more fleshed out and the characters have more background ect that depends: For me Story, Companions and structure are the things which are stopping me from buying it. 1. Larians humor (not mine) 2. Origin Characters make the main character unnecessary 3. The Beginning of the Story is the worst start i ever get in an game. 4. The ship and beach are bad copy and pase from DOS2 5. the structure doesn't give me a red thread through the story To prevent outcry, I watched a number of Let's plays.
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Post by TabithaTH on Oct 6, 2023 11:14:32 GMT
What’s mostly making me hesitate buying (besides price) is, ironically, the scope of the game. I’m worried I do not have the patience for back to back turn based combat. I fear the combat will slow the game down to a point where I will not want to replay too soon. It’ll just stress me out and I’ll revert to save-scumming and wiki’ing for fear of missing out, which is not fun.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Oct 6, 2023 11:40:28 GMT
The story is highly addictive, the companions are so much more interesting - even the character BG3 is larger more fleshed out and the characters have more background ect that depends: For me Story, Companions and structure are the things which are stopping me from buying it. 1. Larians humor (not mine) 2. Origin Characters make the main character unnecessary 3. The Beginning of the Story is the worst start i ever get in an game. 4. The ship and beach are bad copy and pase from DOS2 5. the structure doesn't give me a red thread through the story To prevent outcry, I watched a number of Let's plays. 1)That is a silly reason not to buy something, you could argue any form of media you can buy is that person/group brand of humour and not your own. 2)Again, they are there to flesh out the story and give you a backstory to play as or a companion 3)You must not play many games then as i have played many games with a worse start to the story,however how you view it is your choice. 4)The Nautiloid and beach are just a delivery mechanism and if you think Dragonage doesn't follow the same type of formulaic direction more fool you. I get the feeling you are being a little overly harsh in your critique and perhaps being a little bit dishonest in your views, you can like more than more thing, you don't need to tear something down to prove you are a true blue Bioware fan.
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 6, 2023 12:48:58 GMT
that depends: For me Story, Companions and structure are the things which are stopping me from buying it. 1. Larians humor (not mine) 2. Origin Characters make the main character unnecessary 3. The Beginning of the Story is the worst start i ever get in an game. 4. The ship and beach are bad copy and pase from DOS2 5. the structure doesn't give me a red thread through the story To prevent outcry, I watched a number of Let's plays. 1)That is a silly reason not to buy something, you could argue any form of media you can buy is that person/group brand of humour and not your own. 2)Again, they are there to flesh out the story and give you a backstory to play as or a companion 3)You must not play many games then as i have played many games with a worse start to the story,however how you view it is your choice. 4)The Nautiloid and beach are just a delivery mechanism and if you think Dragonage doesn't follow the same type of formulaic direction more fool you. I get the feeling you are being a little overly harsh in your critique and perhaps being a little bit dishonest in your views, you can like more than more thing, you don't need to tear something down to prove you are a true blue Bioware fan. That has nothing to do with Bioware. I am also very harsh with DA2 or BG2.
But your are right:,I'm very critical when it comes to story. 1) Maybe i wrote it wrong. Some types of humor and i doesn't get along well. It isn't funny for me.
3)What are many games for you? I have played some. But only more story heavy games like RPGs or Point and click adventures.
Other people like what I think is bad and the other way around. I have no problem with that. 2) That is my problem: Because you can play as them, they have a tadpole too. So they are importent figures with a tadpole that gives them more power. So they could do what ever they like. To only stay together to find a solution isn't a reason i enjoy. 4) They are mechanism you are right. But i see it from a story standpoint. DOS2 you start on a ship as prisoner and ends up on the beach after a fight on the ship. sounds familiar, right? let's take a look at Dragen age as you mention it. O: you start at different places. And get to Ostargar. 2: you start on the run. And get to Kirkwall
I: You start as Prisoner. And get a importent role on the way? You can say Ostargar and Kirkwall are a bit simular but for me different enough. Where am i dishonest with myself? I like more than just BioWare games. An exemple is Pathfinder WotR (owlcat).
I just wanted to show that it's a matter of taste whether you like BG3 Story or not. Because i hear so much this is the best.
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 6, 2023 13:40:39 GMT
As for Companions: This is only my opinion. If you think different no problem at all. Zevran > Woljif > Astarion Morrigan > Solas > Shadowheart Daeran > Gale > Vivienne Lae'zel > Iron Bull > Cassandra > Sten > Regill Blackwall = Wyll > Camellia Seelah > Karlach Halsin > Sosiel Arueshalae > Minthara
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Post by roselavellan on Oct 6, 2023 13:54:41 GMT
I love BG3 almost as much as DA. Well, there're a couple of small reservations, like the issues with Act 3/endings, the constant dice rolls and slow combat, but they weren't enough to detract from my enjoyment of the game. What I really love about BG3 was the amount of dialogue it has, the narration (the Narrator did such a great job, not sure if I would like narration otherwise), and the quality of the acting. It's also very exciting in parts, with excellent story-telling and an impressive number of interesting villains. The companions' story quests were really good, inarguably better than DA's ones. (very late edit: sorry, changed my mind upon trying and failing to replay).
On the negative side, none of BG3's standard romances appeal to me (I tried, but ended up breaking it off), I guess I must not be their target demographic. It's disappointing, but what can you do.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Oct 6, 2023 16:30:25 GMT
1)That is a silly reason not to buy something, you could argue any form of media you can buy is that person/group brand of humour and not your own. 2)Again, they are there to flesh out the story and give you a backstory to play as or a companion 3)You must not play many games then as i have played many games with a worse start to the story,however how you view it is your choice. 4)The Nautiloid and beach are just a delivery mechanism and if you think Dragonage doesn't follow the same type of formulaic direction more fool you. I get the feeling you are being a little overly harsh in your critique and perhaps being a little bit dishonest in your views, you can like more than more thing, you don't need to tear something down to prove you are a true blue Bioware fan. That has nothing to do with Bioware. I am also very harsh with DA2 or BG2.
But your are right:,I'm very critical when it comes to story. 1) Maybe i wrote it wrong. Some types of humor and i doesn't get along well. It isn't funny for me.
3)What are many games for you? I have played some. But only more story heavy games like RPGs or Point and click adventures.
Other people like what I think is bad and the other way around. I have no problem with that. 2) That is my problem: Because you can play as them, they have a tadpole too. So they are importent figures with a tadpole that gives them more power. So they could do what ever they like. To only stay together to find a solution isn't a reason i enjoy. 4) They are mechanism you are right. But i see it from a story standpoint. DOS2 you start on a ship as prisoner and ends up on the beach after a fight on the ship. sounds familiar, right? let's take a look at Dragen age as you mention it. O: you start at different places. And get to Ostargar. 2: you start on the run. And get to Kirkwall
I: You start as Prisoner. And get a importent role on the way? You can say Ostargar and Kirkwall are a bit simular but for me different enough. Where am i dishonest with myself? I like more than just BioWare games. An exemple is Pathfinder WotR (owlcat).
I just wanted to show that it's a matter of taste whether you like BG3 Story or not. Because i hear so much this is the best.
Dragon age makes use of the same vehicles to move the story, the only difference in the DA is the Origins stories and that is a tiny little on the rails scenario that was used in ONE game and one game only, want to talk about horrendous level design two instances The Fade and Deep roads almost ruined the game with the tedious back and forth and sameness everywhere and this is coming from someone that loved Dragon age origins and Inquisition(DA2 meh not so much)
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Post by river82 on Oct 6, 2023 19:58:10 GMT
I love BG3 almost as much as DA. Well, there're a couple of small reservations, like the issues with Act 3/endings, the constant dice rolls and slow combat, but they weren't enough to detract from my enjoyment of the game. What I really love about BG3 was the amount of dialogue it has, the narration (the Narrator did such a great job, not sure if I would like narration otherwise), and the quality of the acting. It's also very exciting in parts, with excellent story-telling and an impressive number of interesting villains. The companions' story quests were really good, inarguably better than DA's ones. On the negative side, none of BG3's standard romances appeal to me (I tried, but ended up breaking it off), I guess I must not be their target demographic. It's disappointing, but what can you do. The narrator is one of my fave parts. She's incredible
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Oct 6, 2023 21:49:00 GMT
I really enjoyed BG3, but I have to admit it was really, really funny to see people be very forgiving of BG3's terrible Act 3 performance and story inconsistencies. ME3 was an almost perfect game throughout except for its ending (on launch) and people raked them over the coals over it and even after they addressed it it didn't matter.
There's probably some wisdom you can glean from this, but I'll chalk it down to gamers being fickle and dumb when it comes to expectations.
Anyway BG3 is the closest we've been to Dragon Age in a long, long time. Just need them to copy paste the "Choose your party" implementation on camp exit.
I will say I hated the tadpole mechanic. I feel like unless you metagame or play a batshit crazy "ends justify the means" type, messing around with it in any shape or form is beyond stupid. Worst part is there were no side effects to using it, so I basically played blind tactician on hardcore mode.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 7, 2023 5:28:37 GMT
Can BG3 fans not invade other fanbases like Starfield and tear their games down just to feel morally superior please? I mean I get it, BG3 is perfect without any flaws okay? So stop shoving the game down my throat while I'm trying to search for some tips on Starfield. Honestly the rampant fanboyism around the BG3 makes me not want to buy the game. Why do I want to join a bunch a ravenous fanbase who hates your guts and puts their game on a pedestal as the "savior of gaming?" I mean it's comprised of a fanbase who think you're stupid for like action RPGs and blames you for the downfall of "modern gaming." I've seen people on Starfield reddit belittle people for PLAYING THE GAME THAT'S ON THE SUBREDDIT just to advertise their perfect, precious game.
I try not to bash other games and try to be fair but this constant praise of BG3 is getting tiresome. If I buy the game once it comes out on Xbox, I'm not sure If I can give it a fair review without remembering the fans who hate me just because I play games like Starfield. It feels like I have to say "oh I love Starfield despite its flaws" but that SAME LOGIC doesn't apply to a BG3 fan apparently because Larian is a company who will single handeldly save gaming from the console plebs like me.
Sorry for the rant, but even I'm really tired of fans who consistently display double standards. Okay, a CRPG is mainstream excellent now stop trying to say that other games suck because it's not BG3. No game will be it, and honestly if RPGs especially try to become like it, I'm done in all honesty.
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Post by river82 on Oct 7, 2023 5:35:20 GMT
Can BG3 fans not invade other fanbases like Starfield and tear their games down just to feel morally superior please? I mean I get it, BG3 is perfect without any flaws stop shoving the game down my throat while I'm trying to search for some tips on Starfield. Honestly the rampant fanboyism around the BG3 makes me not want to buy the game. Why do I want to join a bunch a ravenous fanbase who hates your guts and puts their game on a pedestal as the "savior of gaming?" You should aim that at the people doing it
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Post by smilesja on Oct 7, 2023 5:38:16 GMT
It feels like it's the entire fanbase, every encounter with a BG3 fan has been horrible. Why should I listen to the "good" fans if they're not even standing up to this nonsense?
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Post by river82 on Oct 7, 2023 5:42:47 GMT
It feels like it's the entire fanbase, every encounter with a BG3 fan has been horrible. Why should I listen to the "good" fans if they're not even standing up to this nonsense? The good fans are busy playing the game, like always. Wars between gamers just make the "good" fans (of anything) roll their eyes and walk away, they won't be getting involved. It's internet arguments, there's more important things in life. Usually the people who engage are those terminally online. Just ignore them, they are not worth your time I'm well past the age where I'm going to get involved in big gaming wars also.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 7, 2023 5:49:27 GMT
I'm getting old too, one thing I've learned is that some people refuse to change. Even if you do exactly what they asked, they always want more. You cannot love a game without saying that it has flaws but that same person won't do that. It's all about control for them.
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Post by river82 on Oct 7, 2023 6:03:07 GMT
I'm getting old too, one thing I've learned is that some people refuse to change. Even if you do exactly what they asked, they always want more. You cannot love a game without saying that it has flaws but that same person won't do that. It's all about control for them. It's worse in the MMO genre believe it or not. Because people put like ... 5000 hours into their special MMO, and they dedicate their lives to their one MMO, they never want people to leave, so every time a new MMO gets released you get all these WoW fans or fans of smaller PvP MMOs just leap on and laugh at it and it comes from a position of fear. Fear that their MMO population will decline if more competition enters the genre. They need their MMO to survive. It's so stupid, like they need validation that they've made the right choice and they haven't wasted thousands of hours playing.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 9, 2023 6:26:00 GMT
BG3 has flaws. It's a long game, and the only games I ever played that were close to flawless were 30 hours games like POrtal 2. Still there's a lot of content in BG3 and lots of it is high quality. Larian like all games company will eventually get torn to pieces , in the gaming world it goes from "can do no wrong" to "just the worst ever" in a flash. Cyberpunk was the worst thing that ever happened. A few patches later, a anime serie, and some hype...a game that is mostly the same as it was just less glitchy is the best thing since sliced bread.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 9, 2023 22:37:46 GMT
I wouldn't know that considering the Starfield Reddit has become BG3 Reddit.
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Post by river82 on Oct 9, 2023 22:47:22 GMT
I wouldn't know that considering the Starfield Reddit has become BG3 Reddit. Lol really? Last time I saw they were desperately sweeping every criticism under the rug and screaming the IGN guy was a hack xD. I very much doubt there'll be too much discussion of BG3 on that reddit, firstly the denizens will downvote them out of sight, secondly if that happens mods usually intervene and start deleting posts. Reddit's a circlejerk for a reason.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 9, 2023 22:57:21 GMT
I wouldn't know that considering the Starfield Reddit has become BG3 Reddit. Lol really? Last time I saw they were desperately sweeping every criticism under the rug and screaming the IGN guy was a hack xD. I very much doubt there'll be too much discussion of BG3 on that reddit, firstly the denizens will downvote them out of sight, secondly if that happens mods usually intervene and start deleting posts. Reddit's a circlejerk for a reason. Oh I'm aware with what happened with IGN but as soon as the game fully released, let's just say Cyberpunk fans, and BG3 fans took over the subreddit. As well as people who keep saying that they like the game but go on long winded rants about it. According to some folks who took refuge in "lowsodium" subreddits, the mods in the main Starfield reddit have been banning people for the littlest things. An example is when a user got banned for calling another female dev cute in a thread where people where simping (borederline perving) over another female dev, the Sandwhich lady in the trailer.
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Post by vonuber on Oct 11, 2023 0:44:25 GMT
I think it's valid to discuss what Dreadwolf will bring to the table after BG3 has been released.
Dragon Age has always had better character writing than Mass Effect in my opinion, but I have to say BG3 does do it really well as well - especially when it comes to the variation and reactivity to world events and their opinion of you.
Is there a relationship which is good as say a Sera romance? I would say not quite, but it's also different in how it approaches them - and hopefully Bioware are looking and taking some notes.
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 12, 2023 9:43:24 GMT
Can BG3 fans not invade other fanbases like Starfield and tear their games down just to feel morally superior please? I mean I get it, BG3 is perfect without any flaws okay? So stop shoving the game down my throat while I'm trying to search for some tips on Starfield. Honestly the rampant fanboyism around the BG3 makes me not want to buy the game. Why do I want to join a bunch a ravenous fanbase who hates your guts and puts their game on a pedestal as the "savior of gaming?" I mean it's comprised of a fanbase who think you're stupid for like action RPGs and blames you for the downfall of "modern gaming." I've seen people on Starfield reddit belittle people for PLAYING THE GAME THAT'S ON THE SUBREDDIT just to advertise their perfect, precious game. I try not to bash other games and try to be fair but this constant praise of BG3 is getting tiresome. If I buy the game once it comes out on Xbox, I'm not sure If I can give it a fair review without remembering the fans who hate me just because I play games like Starfield. It feels like I have to say "oh I love Starfield despite its flaws" but that SAME LOGIC doesn't apply to a BG3 fan apparently because Larian is a company who will single handeldly save gaming from the console plebs like me. Sorry for the rant, but even I'm really tired of fans who consistently display double standards. Okay, a CRPG is mainstream excellent now stop trying to say that other games suck because it's not BG3. No game will be it, and honestly if RPGs especially try to become like it, I'm done in all honesty. And even the next Larian Game will not be a BG3.
I agree you can't compare any game to BG3 without people getting on your nerves. So i hope for factual discussion here.
I wait and see what happen in the future with Larian. The fans have decided BG3 cannot be topped. So Larian go the CD Projekt RED way or get complained about by their fans because the next game is not BG3 scope.
But i understand why. BG3 was a game many wanted but didn't get for years. DA Joplin in 2020 would have been a blessing but it is as it is.
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Post by fairdragon on Oct 12, 2023 10:27:22 GMT
I think it's valid to discuss what Dreadwolf will bring to the table after BG3 has been released. Dragon Age has always had better character writing than Mass Effect in my opinion, but I have to say BG3 does do it really well as well - especially when it comes to the variation and reactivity to world events and their opinion of you. Is there a relationship which is good as say a Sera romance? I would say not quite, but it's also different in how it approaches them - and hopefully Bioware are looking and taking some notes. BG3:
What do you mean with variation? 5 elves, 3 human, 2 other. (4 different variation) Or do you mean classes?
I agree with reactivity to world events. But i am not sure if i like the group connection enough, that "their opinion of you" matter for me.
As far as the romance is concerned: The approach have many flawes. If they can fix it, it can be an okay way. But as it is i don't like the system at all.
DA: I am not sure which romace system i like the most. But all are working well.
The strong side is definitely character and story.
If Bioware need to look at something it is combat. But the dog is buried there. After the changing combat where should they go?
If action one half of the comuntity will complain. If a BG3 system the other half will complain. I don't know a game which sits in the middle just like DA.
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