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Post by Element Zero on May 22, 2024 0:54:59 GMT
Ever since I watched the trailer for Shadows, my YouTube feed is swamped with AC videos. The algorithm doesn't understand moderation, only excess. I've been trying to get myself more excited for this one. I'm already so picky with which games I play that skipping AC thins the assortment even more.
Sengoku Period Japan is an exciting time and setting. I do wish the protagonists were positioned differently. I hate that Nobunaga is always the bad guy. It might've been cool to play as an Akechi, instead of such a strange choice as Yasuke. Sigh. Clearly, Akechi Mitsuhide will have to figure prominently. Lacking that, I'd have liked to play a few years later, with the story focusing around Toyotomi Hideyoshi or Tokugawa Ieyasu rather than a villainous Oda Nobunaga. There are so many great figures and stories to tell in this period. Yasuke is such a frustrating choice. 🙄
I've successfully talked myself onto the fence, at least. I will probably need to wait and see reviews (here, not from "media") and gameplay. I still feel too burned by Valhalla, and genuinely disgusted by Ubisoft's business practices.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2024 3:12:28 GMT
Ever since I watched the trailer for Shadows, my YouTube feed is swamped with AC videos. The algorithm doesn't understand moderation, only excess. I've been trying to get myself more excited for this one. I'm already so picky with which games I play that skipping AC thins the assortment even more. Sengoku Period Japan is an exciting time and setting. I do wish the protagonists were positioned differently. I hate that Nobunaga is always the bad guy. It might've been cool to play as an Akechi, instead of such a strange choice as Yasuke. Sigh. Clearly, Akechi Mitsuhide will have to figure prominently. Lacking that, I'd have liked to play a few years later, with the story focusing around Toyotomi Hideyoshi or Tokugawa Ieyasu rather than a villainous Oda Nobunaga. There are so many great figures and stories to tell in this period. Yasuke is such a frustrating choice. 🙄 I've successfully talked myself onto the fence, at least. I will probably need to wait and see reviews (here, not from "media") and gameplay. I still feel too burned by Valhalla, and genuinely disgusted by Ubisoft's business practices. Obu actually was an ally of the Brotherhood instead of the Templars. It only ended when a Sword of Eden corrupted him. Curious to see if they’ll follow this lore or retcon it.
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Post by Element Zero on May 22, 2024 12:14:18 GMT
Ever since I watched the trailer for Shadows, my YouTube feed is swamped with AC videos. The algorithm doesn't understand moderation, only excess. I've been trying to get myself more excited for this one. I'm already so picky with which games I play that skipping AC thins the assortment even more. Sengoku Period Japan is an exciting time and setting. I do wish the protagonists were positioned differently. I hate that Nobunaga is always the bad guy. It might've been cool to play as an Akechi, instead of such a strange choice as Yasuke. Sigh. Clearly, Akechi Mitsuhide will have to figure prominently. Lacking that, I'd have liked to play a few years later, with the story focusing around Toyotomi Hideyoshi or Tokugawa Ieyasu rather than a villainous Oda Nobunaga. There are so many great figures and stories to tell in this period. Yasuke is such a frustrating choice. 🙄 I've successfully talked myself onto the fence, at least. I will probably need to wait and see reviews (here, not from "media") and gameplay. I still feel too burned by Valhalla, and genuinely disgusted by Ubisoft's business practices. Obu actually was an ally of the Brotherhood instead of the Templars. It only ended when a Sword of Eden corrupted him. Curious to see if they’ll follow this lore or retcon it. This is interesting. I looked up the source on the wiki, a card game of all things, and noticed that they also already had a story for Mori Motonari. They mostly left the other heavyweights of the era, Hideyoshi and Ieyasu, out of it. I tire of Nobunaga always being the villain in every Sengoku Period game, but I also wouldn't want them to explain away his brutality as being caused by an artifact. I'm definitely curious to see how they handle it. Like you said, do they retcon or develop the info from the card game? I'm also curious as to how involved the Templars will be. I hope they're the prime antagonist. I didn't necessarily expect Nobunaga to be aligned with them, though he could've been. I knew his initial role would be based upon his attack on Iga Province.
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Post by Hrungr on May 24, 2024 16:22:00 GMT
Rino @rinothebouncerAssassin’s Creed Shadows will have Naoe and Yasuke get into different romantic and non-romantic relationships with various types of people, and people will feel differently about each of them🚀 ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOMwgonXQAEtlaN?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 24, 2024 16:39:43 GMT
I really hope they have upgraded this, it was so superficial(?) or surfacey/quick fix type in the previous games I felt it was just something I would not want to do and I did not after a couple of tries if anything bigger was gained. Anyway, will steer clear of these then ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 24, 2024 17:12:11 GMT
Rino @rinothebouncerAssassin’s Creed Shadows will have Naoe and Yasuke get into different romantic and non-romantic relationships with various types of people, and people will feel differently about each of them🚀 I hope they are optional. The way this is worded worries me that we’ll be forced into relationships.
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Post by Hrungr on May 24, 2024 17:12:27 GMT
Access The Animus @accesstheanimusHere are some of the landmarks featured in #AssassinsCreed Shadows, according to Art Director Thierry Danserau and Historian Stéphanie-Anne Ruatta! 🔴 Azuchi Castle 🔴 Osaka Castle 🔴 Koyasan Okunoin Cemetery (most ancient graveyard in Japan) 🔴 Himeji Castle 🔴 Takeda Castle Source: Famitsu.com![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOXApM9WYAE9-Hx?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by Hrungr on May 24, 2024 17:30:54 GMT
Rino @rinothebouncerAssassin’s Creed Shadows will have Naoe and Yasuke get into different romantic and non-romantic relationships with various types of people, and people will feel differently about each of them🚀 I hope they are optional. The way this is worded worries me that we’ll be forced into relationships. Well, you'd hope that after the flack they took from Odyssey, they'd have learned their lesson...
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Post by Element Zero on May 25, 2024 1:20:37 GMT
Those castles are promising. If I'd been asked for a list of places I'd like to see, they'd each have been on it. It seems like we'll be visiting many of the "central" provinces. There are other places I'd like to see, but they are probably outside the scope of the main game. We shall see. It will depend upon how much of Hideyoshi's campaign we get to see.
The places also tell us who the people will be. That's fun. I had a hard time believing that the game wouldn't go well beyond Nobunaga's death, since Yasuke was only in his court for the blink of an eye. Seeing Himeji and Osaka Castles as sites tells me that we should get to see plenty of my favorite figure from the era, Toyotomi Hideyoshi.
Despite my butthurt over Valhalla and Ubisoft's griminess, I'm very intrigued by the possibilities. I love this era of history. Much like Italy during Ezio's lifetime, it's a dynamic time, perfect for an Assassin's Creed game.
Edit: I wonder if we might even participate in a few of the great battles as Yasuke. The Battle of Nagashino and Shitaragahara is nearly guaranteed to be in the game. I saw images in the trailer that I assume to be from Shitaragahara.
This game is going to have me playing Nobunaga's Ambition and reading Taiko. It's still too soon to start, with 6 months to go. 😆
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Post by Sanunes on May 25, 2024 4:08:55 GMT
I guess I have been playing Assassin's Creed too long, for all of the things they are talking about to try and get people interested in Shadows I have a reaction of "you did that in Assassin's Creed 'x'"
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Post by dazk on May 25, 2024 4:37:30 GMT
I guess I have been playing Assassin's Creed too long, for all of the things they are talking about to try and get people interested in Shadows I have a reaction of "you did that in Assassin's Creed 'x'" Yeah I think I pointed the same thing out with one of the first releases of information about the game.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 25, 2024 15:59:26 GMT
Dunno. There was always a push for AC content set in historical Japan, but... after Ghost of Tsushima? And the goofy writing in modern Assassin's Creed games? What exactly is the point?
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Post by Sanunes on May 25, 2024 19:15:11 GMT
Dunno. There was always a push for AC content set in historical Japan, but... after Ghost of Tsushima? And the goofy writing in modern Assassin's Creed games? What exactly is the point? Ghosts of Tsushima combat isn't for everyone and that would be the biggest separator between the two games and why one might still want an AC game in Historical Japan.
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Post by Element Zero on May 26, 2024 1:03:51 GMT
Dunno. There was always a push for AC content set in historical Japan, but... after Ghost of Tsushima? And the goofy writing in modern Assassin's Creed games? What exactly is the point? Honestly, I feel like Ghost of Tsushima is terribly overrated and shouldn't dissuade anyone from taking their own crack at it. GoTs is set hundreds of years earlier, anyway. Other than "Japan", they shouldn't have much at all in common. Even with the loose interpretions of historical events and Isu stuff thrown in, Ubisoft will give us a much more accurate, immersive experience. GoTs was a mess, in terms of historical fidelity, full of anachronisms. It also was full of the things for which Ubi used to get criticized: horribly repetitive tasks (duel after duel after duel), samey-same locations (shrine after shrine), huge open world without the content to justify it, etc... I have my gripes with Assassin's Creed, but they've resolved many of those issues in recent entries. GoTs lost me early in Act 3. I generally love long games, but I was very ready for it to end long before it did. I also replay my games for years, investing thousands of hours. I could never make myself revisit GoTs. It was a big disappointment for me.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 26, 2024 22:32:53 GMT
Honestly, I feel like Ghost of Tsushima is terribly overrated and shouldn't dissuade anyone from taking their own crack at it. GoTs is set hundreds of years earlier, anyway. Other than "Japan", they shouldn't have much at all in common. Even with the loose interpretions of historical events and Isu stuff thrown in, Ubisoft will give us a much more accurate, immersive experience. GoTs was a mess, in terms of historical fidelity, full of anachronisms. It also was full of the things for which Ubi used to get criticized: horribly repetitive tasks (duel after duel after duel), samey-same locations (shrine after shrine), huge open world without the content to justify it, etc... I have my gripes with Assassin's Creed, but they've resolved many of those issues in recent entries. GoTs lost me early in Act 3. I generally love long games, but I was very ready for it to end long before it did. I also replay my games for years, investing thousands of hours. I could never make myself revisit GoTs. It was a big disappointment for me. Uhm. Assassin's Creed's version of "historical fidelity" has been a Saturday-morning cartoon version of the setting and period since AC: Revelations. They might dive marginally deeper into the historical inspiration, but only in order to goof around with it, or create filler. Ghost of Tsushima takes a lot of liberties, but it's a serious drama where the setting's elements and atmosphere are treated with respect and dignity, and the people more or less written like human beings. And neither the duels or the shrines in the game are near as repetitive as what you'll find in every single Assassin's Creed at the very least up to Odyssey, after which I can't speak to the series because the writing just got too ridiculous. That comparison seriously baffles me, or speaks VERY well for Valhalla and Mirage's open world activities. Much, much better than the impression I got from the first hour of Valhalla. And if it's improved that much then it's something, I'll grant you. But what I get from the cinematic trailer plus 17 years of playing Assassin's Creed games is a much sillier and more streamlined Ghost of Tsushima game with more hand-holding, more misplaced zany modern banter identical to every other piece of "clever and punchy" dialogue you've ever heard, and many more text dumps.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on May 27, 2024 5:34:22 GMT
Dunno. There was always a push for AC content set in historical Japan, but... after Ghost of Tsushima? And the goofy writing in modern Assassin's Creed games? What exactly is the point? Ghosts of Tsushima combat isn't for everyone and that would be the biggest separator between the two games and why one might still want an AC game in Historical Japan. Ubi missed the ship for Japan completely. Too bad as I was looking forward to a AC Japan but I'm not getting this game. Nor any more titles from Ubi. Valhalla is the last of the AC titles. I would put my AC experience as interesting and enjoyable through the years, since 2007 with AC I. Right up to Odyssey where the combat and game world is what I thoroughly enjoyed. And Kassandra of course. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) Valhalla is a disappointment even though I did enjoy some aspects of the game. What I'm seeing of Ubisoft with Mirage, with Shadows along with the SW title isn't promising nor interesting. Time for me to move on.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 27, 2024 8:58:39 GMT
I’m looking forward to this. I skipped Mirage - no regrets - and was interested in Ghost of Tsushima, but now I’m going to pass.
Dual protagonists is a new thing for me, and I like the sound of the features they’ve announced so far. Not a preorder, of course, but still plan to get it reasonably early.
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Post by Element Zero on May 27, 2024 18:19:43 GMT
Honestly, I feel like Ghost of Tsushima is terribly overrated and shouldn't dissuade anyone from taking their own crack at it. GoTs is set hundreds of years earlier, anyway. Other than "Japan", they shouldn't have much at all in common. Even with the loose interpretions of historical events and Isu stuff thrown in, Ubisoft will give us a much more accurate, immersive experience. GoTs was a mess, in terms of historical fidelity, full of anachronisms. It also was full of the things for which Ubi used to get criticized: horribly repetitive tasks (duel after duel after duel), samey-same locations (shrine after shrine), huge open world without the content to justify it, etc... I have my gripes with Assassin's Creed, but they've resolved many of those issues in recent entries. GoTs lost me early in Act 3. I generally love long games, but I was very ready for it to end long before it did. I also replay my games for years, investing thousands of hours. I could never make myself revisit GoTs. It was a big disappointment for me. Uhm. Assassin's Creed's version of "historical fidelity" has been a Saturday-morning cartoon version of the setting and period since AC: Revelations. They might dive marginally deeper into the historical inspiration, but only in order to goof around with it, or create filler. Ghost of Tsushima takes a lot of liberties, but it's a serious drama where the setting's elements and atmosphere are treated with respect and dignity, and the people more or less written like human beings. And neither the duels or the shrines in the game are near as repetitive as what you'll find in every single Assassin's Creed at the very least up to Odyssey, after which I can't speak to the series because the writing just got too ridiculous. That comparison seriously baffles me, or speaks VERY well for Valhalla and Mirage's open world activities. Much, much better than the impression I got from the first hour of Valhalla. And if it's improved that much then it's something, I'll grant you. But what I get from the cinematic trailer plus 17 years of playing Assassin's Creed games is a much sillier and more streamlined Ghost of Tsushima game with more hand-holding, more misplaced zany modern banter identical to every other piece of "clever and punchy" dialogue you've ever heard, and many more text dumps. Neither AC nor GoTs tries to adhere to history with their stories. The background of Assassin's Creed, the worlds, are incredibly detailed and faithful to history. They feel vibrant and alive. You can see people going about their lives in an historically accurate backdrop doing the things as we understand them to have been done. In comparison, GoTs was simply empty. The only thing to be encountered were roving Mongols, Inari Shrines, and Hot Springs. It was such a lifeless world. I can't comprehend how anyone could find GoTs even a fraction as varied as any AC game in years. GoTs had only a handful of activities on repeat for way too many hours. There were things I did appreciate about GoTs. Jin was a likeable protagonist, and the major NPCs felt like realistic persons with their own goals and place in the world. The game completely dispensed with BS fetch quests and was built entirely around meaningful plots. Its combat was fun, until it got monotonous. The main storylines were good, just dragged out across far too many hours. Ghost felt like playing a hazy dream, or something. The fuzzy, stylized visuals, combined with a completely anachronistic idea of Japan and a very, very empty world to just put me to sleep. It wasn't immediate. I was really into it, at first. It just got progressively more stale as I played out the same gameplay loop for hour after hour. The end of Act 2 breathed some life back into things, but then Act 3 just suffocated that ember. I assume Ghost will get a sequel. I hope they will focus on creating a more meaningful, believable world. I'd like a world with more people, crisper visuals, and less unnecessary roaming. Given my opinions of the first game, which I find only mediocre, I'd really need to be convinced to invest more time or money into a sequel.
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In comparison, GoTs was simply empty. The only thing to be encountered were roving Mongols, Inari Shrines, and Hot Springs. It was such a lifeless world. That's what makes it more fundamentally realistic than AC's open worlds to me. It's a dangerous, war-infested place with a small, widely dispersed population of necessarily meek peasants who are just desperately trying to survive and mind their own business. The culture and atmosphere is found in the abandoned places mercifully left behind or hidden away in the landscape. Not in weirdly quirky randos with almost suicidally colorful attitudes walking around complaining until someone who would decapitate them on the street in real life just for interrupting their day stops to solve all their problems instead. But then, I've lived all my life in a sparsely populated country with low population density and a real inborn don't-even-sit-next-to-me-on-the-bus-you-weirdo attitude to strangers. Maybe there's a cultural difference there. Would totally have had the same reaction as you if I hadn't spaced the game out and stuck to game sessions of a couple hours at most, though. With stylized games like that, all the flavor just disappears and turns into raw mechanical gameplay when you get really into the loop of things. And while there's not a whole lot to lose in that regard when it comes to Assassin's Creed, there definitely is in GoT.
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Post by saandrig on May 28, 2024 8:02:33 GMT
EDIT: Also, another game with Oda Nobunaga as the bad guy? Really? We must have hundreds, already. Maybe he'll be potrayed in a nuanced way, but recent games have been light on nuance. I wonder how they'll handle Hideyoshi and some of the other daimyo? That's the stuff that could make me buy it. That, or getting to play a Templar again. I don't play JRPGs or Soul-like games, so I am not familiar with the gaming Nobunaga portrayals. I've heard he is a bad guy in a few of those.
Now, there weren't really nice guys back then, not him, not Hideyoshi, not Ieyasu, Kenshin, Shingen, etc. But I recall the AC lore to portray Nobunaga as an Assassin ally. Unless there is some retcon, he should not be the game's antagonist. I can see Hideyoshi as the potential surprise Templar leader. Not sure how that would be taken by people though ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) On the other hand Ieyasu should absolutely be having some sort of a role that gives insight into his power grab decades later. Dude can totally be seen as a Templar.
The period is rife with politics, backstabbing and war. I suspect the map will not cover the whole of Japan, so we will stick mostly to the center regions around Kyoto. That reduces the potential daimyo and other historical figures that we will have to deal with. Outside the big three usual suspects, we most likely will take part in the battle of Okehazama (we are so killing Yoshimoto), getting involved with the Akechi coup and maybe assassinating Shingen. A tour in the Emperor's palace should be a given.
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Post by Element Zero on May 28, 2024 23:10:56 GMT
EDIT: Also, another game with Oda Nobunaga as the bad guy? Really? We must have hundreds, already. Maybe he'll be potrayed in a nuanced way, but recent games have been light on nuance. I wonder how they'll handle Hideyoshi and some of the other daimyo? That's the stuff that could make me buy it. That, or getting to play a Templar again. I don't play JRPGs or Soul-like games, so I am not familiar with the gaming Nobunaga portrayals. I've heard he is a bad guy in a few of those.
Now, there weren't really nice guys back then, not him, not Hideyoshi, not Ieyasu, Kenshin, Shingen, etc. But I recall the AC lore to portray Nobunaga as an Assassin ally. Unless there is some retcon, he should not be the game's antagonist. I can see Hideyoshi as the potential surprise Templar leader. Not sure how that would be taken by people though ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) On the other hand Ieyasu should absolutely be having some sort of a role that gives insight into his power grab decades later. Dude can totally be seen as a Templar.
The period is rife with politics, backstabbing and war. I suspect the map will not cover the whole of Japan, so we will stick mostly to the center regions around Kyoto. That reduces the potential daimyo and other historical figures that we will have to deal with. Outside the big three usual suspects, we most likely will take part in the battle of Okehazama (we are so killing Yoshimoto), getting involved with the Akechi coup and maybe assassinating Shingen. A tour in the Emperor's palace should be a given.
If Naoe's family are Assassins, which isn't precisely the vibe I got, then Nobunaga would be ending that alliance early in the game. The Pacification of Iga seems to be the catalyst for each protagonist's story. The limited lore that exists says that a Piece of Eden corrupted him, presumably turning him into the brutally pragmatic person we came to know him to be. With them calling themselves "Shadows", it makes me think that we might be seeing yet another group who are assassins, but not Assassins. I kind of hope I'm wrong. I'm ready for Assassins vs Templars again, rather than Hidden Ones vs XYZ Cult, or whatever. It's not a big deal, either way, just a preference. Maybe this is yet another origin story, the Brotherhood's true arrival in Japan.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 1, 2024 1:52:27 GMT
Since Naoe received her hidden blade from her father, it would seem that these Iga clans were the Assassin Brotherhood. Nobunaga may essentially wipe out the Brotherhood. Naoe and Yasuke are the two "Shadows", and likely the future of a revived Brotherhood.
If someone were willing to dig through the Assassin's Creed thread on this forum, they could probably find the years old post in which I laid out this game's basic premise: the Brotherhood in Iga Ikki, the Sengoku Period, etc... 😄
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Post by saandrig on Jun 3, 2024 9:25:06 GMT
Naoe and Yasuke are the two "Shadows", and likely the future of a revived Brotherhood.
Yasuke stealthing probably.
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