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Post by smilesja on Jun 12, 2024 18:48:02 GMT
Silly. Bioware games get brigaded routinely by culture war tourists. They flooded the chat, they flooded the DA subreddit, it stands to reason they are well represented in the likes and dislikes for the trailers. So Bioware's lack of success in the past few years is because of "brigading"? Just sounds to me like a very hard case of cope. Take Andromeda for example. That game was trashed even before it was out of the gates. In many cases, I thought that was unwarranted, I actually had a great time playing it. Doesnt change the fact that while Andromeda is a good game(to me at least), it’s also a terrible Mass Effect game and suffered from glaring technical issues at launch. So while i didnt agree with some of the criticism, I think it was totally understandable. And Bioware deserved the backlash. But I remember a lot of people saying Andromeda failed cause trolls and haters made it crash with all their memes.. Well, the memes existed for a reason. Give a good product and you get rid of "brigading", or in the very least the brigading will be drowned with people praising it. It’s hard to take like/dislike ratio seriously when people in the comments are encouraging brigading. That’s not even talking about the “woke” stuff.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 18:51:39 GMT
It's funny that Varric thinks he can persuade Solas to stop yet Solas wasn't going to stop for his LI. The hat the female wore looked like she just came from her graduation ceremony. Hopefully she can wear a different hat. I do like her shoe's. Hopefully the main character is able to craft companion outfit's to wear. Will there be a different outfit to wear depending on what background is chosen? Varric look's like one of the npc's in Fallout 4 from the Nuka World dlc. Hopefully there will be more gameplay shown. I like to see mage gameplay. I think there are good chances the faction affect the started outfit/armor.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 18:54:50 GMT
It's funny that Varric thinks he can persuade Solas to stop yet Solas wasn't going to stop for his LI. The hat the female wore looked like she just came from her graduation ceremony. Hopefully she can wear a different hat. I do like her shoe's. Hopefully the main character is able to craft companion outfit's to wear. Will there be a different outfit to wear depending on what background is chosen? Varric look's like one of the npc's in Fallout 4 from the Nuka World dlc. Hopefully there will be more gameplay shown. I like to see mage gameplay. I think there are good chances the faction affect the started outfit/armor. I believe I saw that confirmed somewhere actually.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 12, 2024 18:55:13 GMT
Never said that. We're talking about people brigading DA subreddits and Youtube channels/videos. The likes/dislikes cannot be taken at face value, nor can reddit or Youtube comments, because a significant number of the dislikes/critics are culture war tourists with no intention of buying the game under any circumstances, who see whatever the newest Bioware game happens to be as a political pawn in their stupid crusade against representation and inclusion. Pretending that's not a thing is some heavy duty copium, if anything is. And maybe I'm being petty (Tom Petty), but the fact that these little wieners are so angry the gameplay trailer was good and the reception so positive only makes it that much sweeter: I wouldn't have it any other way. The Truth is somewhere in-between as it usually is. BioWare is the architect of it's own troubles over Andromeda and Anthem. That said there is a very militant far-right gaming sect that does brigade games and games companies they don't like. Just yesterday I saw some preposterous young woman on YouTube ranting about how Corrinne Busche (of all people) was ruining Dragon Age because of their orientation and gender preference! Such a lot of hogwash. The hysterical thing is I could tell the YouTuber was probably like 8 or 9 when the last Dragon Age came out! Yeah and to be clear, Im not saying the lack of sales for MEA or Anthem has to do with the anti-BW brigade- those games were subpar. Poor sales performance and bad faith criticism/artifical exaggeration of criticism are separate matters, and afaict completely unrelated ones. The latter has primarily due to backlash from rightwing gamers who hate game developers that do thinks like, say, have gays or trans characters or, gasp, women in positions of power (“waaaaaah woke”).
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 19:09:54 GMT
Since the dialogue icons on the wheel looks like those in DA2 (the purple laughing mask is back!!!). So they might have gone back to that tone system, where auto-dialogues is based on the tones you picked earlier (or highest depending). And they might have added some background stuff to it.
Also, the demo doesn't start right after character creation. From the dialogue with Varric as they exit the building at the very start, they fought some Venatori in a bar earlier.
Yes I'm hoping there is more to that scene and that you have already met that woman or have more information about what is going on. But from what they showed us, Rook just randomly wants to intervene in a police arrest . . . which makes no sense whatsoever. If we don't know the person then why would we even consider helping them? No one goes around 'helping' random people avoid what is likely a normal police arrest! Or perhaps its not an arrest and the authorities are about to zap and kill her with magic or something? But there isn't enough context for what's happening in the demo and it just makes Rook look stupid or that the writing is bad. Just one more poor marketing decision with the demo! it makes sense if Rook is a good person and feels responsible for her being in that mess in the first place.
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Post by trengilly on Jun 12, 2024 19:10:42 GMT
It's funny that Varric thinks he can persuade Solas to stop yet Solas wasn't going to stop for his LI. In 95%+ of players worlds Solas didn't romance the Inquisitor . . . so that's not really a big consideration. And regardless, Varric is pretty full of himself and thinks he can talk his way out of most things!
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Post by azarhal on Jun 12, 2024 19:10:45 GMT
Never said that. We're talking about people brigading DA subreddits and Youtube channels/videos. The likes/dislikes cannot be taken at face value, nor can reddit or Youtube comments, because a significant number of the dislikes/critics are culture war tourists with no intention of buying the game under any circumstances, who see whatever the newest Bioware game happens to be as a political pawn in their stupid crusade against representation and inclusion. Pretending that's not a thing is some heavy duty copium, if anything is. And maybe I'm being petty (Tom Petty), but the fact that these little wieners are so angry the gameplay trailer was good and the reception so positive only makes it that much sweeter: I wouldn't have it any other way. The Truth is somewhere in-between as it usually is. BioWare is the architect of it's own troubles over Andromeda and Anthem. That said there is a very militant far-right gaming sect that does brigade games and games companies they don't like. Just yesterday I saw some preposterous young woman on YouTube ranting about how Corrinne Busche (of all people) was ruining Dragon Age because of their orientation and gender preference! Such a lot of hogwash. The hysterical thing is I could tell the YouTuber was probably like 8 or 9 when the last Dragon Age came out! I'm still seeing a lot of people who appears to have never played a DA game outside of DAO and still complaining and saying the same thing they complained about when DA2 was first previewed with DAVe preview. I laughed when I read one dude saying this was now Dragon Effect. Like sorry pal, that was coined 14 years ago...
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Post by Little Bengel on Jun 12, 2024 19:16:19 GMT
Posted this in the news discussion thread, but I think it's also relevant here as well. Something that I've been suspecting regarding Veilguard's gameplay may be true. I've been suspecting that a potential reason for the 3 or 4-skill layout in this game would be due to taking what were once regular active skills and folding it into the regular action combat, and it does seem like that's the case, as this Reddit thread shows. old.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/1de47mg/rogue_skills_veilguard_inquisition/More specifically, while the Veilguard gameplay shows Static Blades as the only apparent ability Rook can use, the actual combat shows examples of DA:I abilities directly folded into the basic combat system (Shadow Step, Twin Fangs, Spinning Blades, and Parry).
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 12, 2024 19:18:55 GMT
The Truth is somewhere in-between as it usually is. BioWare is the architect of it's own troubles over Andromeda and Anthem. That said there is a very militant far-right gaming sect that does brigade games and games companies they don't like. Just yesterday I saw some preposterous young woman on YouTube ranting about how Corrinne Busche (of all people) was ruining Dragon Age because of their orientation and gender preference! Such a lot of hogwash. The hysterical thing is I could tell the YouTuber was probably like 8 or 9 when the last Dragon Age came out! I'm still seeing a lot of people who appears to have never played a DA game outside of DAO and still complaining and saying the same thing they complained about when DA2 was first previewed with DAVe preview. I laughed when I read one dude saying this was now Dragon Effect. Like sorry pal, that was coined 14 years ago...
I've seen that too and the idea that any comparison to Mass Effect is odious is an odd one given that most people still have a really high opinion of the original ME games. If it is like ME 2 that cannot be a bad thing as ME 2 was probably the most popular of the three games.
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Post by balinux on Jun 12, 2024 19:43:53 GMT
Varric's new hair is bugging me. Since when do blonds get dark hair when they grow old? It's a bad art decision. Raises hand. My hair went from very blond as a child, to light brown as a young man, to medium brown in middle age (then what little is left is going grey, but we don't talk about that). It's quite common for light hair to darken with age. Yes, that happens with children, but Varric was always an adult when we met him. Again, I don't think this happens when people grow old.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 12, 2024 19:56:18 GMT
Posted this in the news discussion thread, but I think it's also relevant here as well. Something that I've been suspecting regarding Veilguard's gameplay may be true. I've been suspecting that a potential reason for the 3 or 4-skill layout in this game would be due to taking what were once regular active skills and folding it into the regular action combat, and it does seem like that's the case, as this Reddit thread shows. old.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/1de47mg/rogue_skills_veilguard_inquisition/More specifically, while the Veilguard gameplay shows Static Blades as the only apparent ability Rook can use, the actual combat shows examples of DA:I abilities directly folded into the basic combat system (Shadow Step, Twin Fangs, Spinning Blades, and Parry). Condensing abilities into general moves in the combat system is fairly economical from a design standpoint. I am curious what new moves they cook up. One thing to add is the combat system is reminiscent of DnD 4th edition...with cooldowns for abilities/powers/spells, and comboing with others for tactical advantages. Looks like that is the gameplay focus here, which I personally enjoy since isometrics do that but often in turn-based.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 12, 2024 20:01:03 GMT
It's funny that Varric thinks he can persuade Solas to stop yet Solas wasn't going to stop for his LI. In 95%+ of players worlds Solas didn't romance the Inquisitor . . . so that's not really a big consideration. And regardless, Varric is pretty full of himself and thinks he can talk his way out of most things! It's less about Varric being full of himself and it's more that's really the only real option.
Like what do you suggest, kill an elven "god" that can turn you into statue without even looking at you? No, trying to talk Solas out of it is the only real option.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 12, 2024 20:09:17 GMT
Anyway in under 28 hours, gameplay reveal has hit 2 million views milestone.
This is an amazing success and it's only 100k views behind Inquisitions The Hero of Thedas trailer for 3rd most viewed Dragon Age channel video.
A lot of eyes are on the Veilguard.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 12, 2024 20:17:46 GMT
Anyway in under 28 hours, gameplay reveal has hit 2 million views milestone. This is an amazing success and it's only 100k views behind Inquisitions The Hero of Thedas trailer for 3rd most viewed Dragon Age channel video. A lot of eyes are on the Veilguard. Glad to see Dragon Age getting the attention it deserves! Now all it needs to do is be good!
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Post by trinity0 on Jun 12, 2024 20:21:56 GMT
Anyway in under 28 hours, gameplay reveal has hit 2 million views milestone. This is an amazing success and it's only 100k views behind Inquisitions The Hero of Thedas trailer for 3rd most viewed Dragon Age channel video. A lot of eyes are on the Veilguard. The Video has 2 million views, 69000 likes and 11200 dislikes
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Post by smilesja on Jun 12, 2024 20:23:22 GMT
Anyway in under 28 hours, gameplay reveal has hit 2 million views milestone. This is an amazing success and it's only 100k views behind Inquisitions The Hero of Thedas trailer for 3rd most viewed Dragon Age channel video. A lot of eyes are on the Veilguard. The Video has 2 million views, 69000 likes and 11200 dislikes The power of a good gameplay trailer, take notes marketing team.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 12, 2024 20:31:20 GMT
I watched the gameplay trailer again today. My feelings were mostly the same:
I hope some of the status displays, like health bars and ranged attack notifications, can be made less conspicuous.
I don't love the art style, but that's set in stone and won't prevent me from enjoying the game.
Even without seeing a powerful protagonist or party in play, it seems clear that I'll have a lot of fun with the combat. It looks like it will be a fun blend of past DA and Mass Effect. I love power combos, optimizing character builds, etc... and that's all part of this game. I hope we get to see a higher level party at work, and a bit of gameplay from each of the three classes.
I also look forward learning about these background groups. Some we already knew, and we now know about this Tevinter resistance group (somethin-somethin Dragons). The name of one of the others sounded like a Mercenary Company, but that's a guess. I'll probably play a Grey Warden Mage my first playthrough, but who knows?
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2024 20:40:40 GMT
Anyway in under 28 hours, gameplay reveal has hit 2 million views milestone. This is an amazing success and it's only 100k views behind Inquisitions The Hero of Thedas trailer for 3rd most viewed Dragon Age channel video. A lot of eyes are on the Veilguard. The Video has 2 million views, 69000 likes and 11200 dislikes I read that there were more dislikes then likes, did the situation change today?
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Post by azarhal on Jun 12, 2024 20:55:59 GMT
I'm still seeing a lot of people who appears to have never played a DA game outside of DAO and still complaining and saying the same thing they complained about when DA2 was first previewed with DAVe preview. I laughed when I read one dude saying this was now Dragon Effect. Like sorry pal, that was coined 14 years ago...
I've seen that too and the idea that any comparison to Mass Effect is odious is an odd one given that most people still have a really high opinion of the original ME games. If it is like ME 2 that cannot be a bad thing as ME 2 was probably the most popular of the three games. There is a faction of BioWare fandom from the 2000s who always hated ME existence. They wanted BioWare to continue making RTwP isometric D&D based game and 15 years later they are still pissed about it and want the company to die. What is weird is that I don't remember them saying anything about Jade Empire and that released before ME and it was really the prototype of for their action combat: smaller party with companions you can't control, action combat, low amount of active in combat and combos.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 21:11:59 GMT
Yes I'm hoping there is more to that scene and that you have already met that woman or have more information about what is going on. But from what they showed us, Rook just randomly wants to intervene in a police arrest . . . which makes no sense whatsoever. If we don't know the person then why would we even consider helping them? No one goes around 'helping' random people avoid what is likely a normal police arrest! Or perhaps its not an arrest and the authorities are about to zap and kill her with magic or something? But there isn't enough context for what's happening in the demo and it just makes Rook look stupid or that the writing is bad. Just one more poor marketing decision with the demo! it makes sense if Rook is a good person and feels responsible for her being in that mess in the first place. Yeah she might hav ebee nin the sam ebuildin gw ewere in a tthe start of that clip when they were trying t oarres ther. She looks lik ea youn ggirl perhaps a barmaid and was jus tserving us a drink bfeore clockin g off o rsomething no tsomeon edangerous. Prehaps mayb eev enpointin gou twhere Varric was t oour character. W edon' tknow.
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Post by danaxe on Jun 12, 2024 21:17:41 GMT
Anyway in under 28 hours, gameplay reveal has hit 2 million views milestone. This is an amazing success and it's only 100k views behind Inquisitions The Hero of Thedas trailer for 3rd most viewed Dragon Age channel video. A lot of eyes are on the Veilguard. The Video has 2 million views, 69000 likes and 11200 dislikes There's a typo there mate. Its 112000. Or more accurate is right now at 70k vs 113k.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 21:18:16 GMT
I watched the gameplay trailer again today. My feelings were mostly the same: I hope some of the status displays, like health bars and ranged attack notifications, can be made less conspicuous. I don't love the art style, but that's set in stone and won't prevent me from enjoying the game. Even without seeing a powerful protagonist or party in play, it seems clear that I'll have a lot of fun with the combat. It looks like it will be a fun blend of past DA and Mass Effect. I love power combos, optimizing character builds, etc... and that's all part of this game. I hope we get to see a higher level party at work, and a bit of gameplay from each of the three classes. I also look forward learning about these background groups. Some we already knew, and we now know about this Tevinter resistance group (somethin-somethin Dragons). The name of one of the others sounded like a Mercenary Company, but that's a guess. I'll probably play a Grey Warden Mage my first playthrough, but who knows?Yeah that's what I'm planning firs ta female Grey Warden Mage mostl yfo rfamiliarity reall yon the firs trun. Subsequent playthroughs I ma ypla yaround a bi twith the differen tfactions and suc hbut I wan tfsom eform of familiarit yunti lI learn the games mechanics.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 21:19:02 GMT
it makes sense if Rook is a good person and feels responsible for her being in that mess in the first place. Yeah she might hav ebee nin the sam ebuildin gw ewere in a tthe start of that clip when they were trying t oarres ther. She looks lik ea youn ggirl perhaps a barmaid and was jus tserving us a drink bfeore clockin g off o rsomething no tsomeon edangerous. Prehaps mayb eev enpointin gou twhere Varric was t oour character. W edon' tknow. I believe I saw the game starts with the narration Varric gives about Silas that they used as a teaser a while ago, so we start the game talking to him. But yeah maybe she pointed us to the bartender we talk to that they didn’t show or something.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 12, 2024 21:30:40 GMT
I was checking a thread on DA Reddit and someone pointed out that the darkspawn made "dragon" status in the wilds that you can see in DAO looks like Beetle. Yeah she might hav ebee nin the sam ebuildin gw ewere in a tthe start of that clip when they were trying t oarres ther. She looks lik ea youn ggirl perhaps a barmaid and was jus tserving us a drink bfeore clockin g off o rsomething no tsomeon edangerous. Prehaps mayb eev enpointin gou twhere Varric was t oour character. W edon' tknow. I believe I saw the game starts with the narration Varric gives about Silas that they used as a teaser a while ago, so we start the game talking to him. But yeah maybe she pointed us to the bartender we talk to that they didn’t show or something. They skipped something before the demo start, since Harding has seen Rook before and she has his gear (which seems weird to me).
And they skipped something between Rook falling over the railing after Solas blast the statue, to the next scene with Rook standing at the bottom of the stairs.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some placeholder in there as well. Beetle head is repeated twice in the lower columns kinda stick out.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 12, 2024 21:44:59 GMT
The Video has 2 million views, 69000 likes and 11200 dislikes There's a typo there mate. Its 112000. Or more accurate is right now at 70k vs 113k. So the dislike brigade continues eh?
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