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Post by sageoflife on Aug 26, 2024 21:46:39 GMT
So we have one Dalish elf who "prefers to make history instead of reflecting on it" and one Dalish elf who pushes herself to the limit to achieve the Dalish mission. Something tells me Davrin and Bellara will have a very interesting relationship.
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Post by cuckoolandra on Aug 26, 2024 22:39:38 GMT
Does Davrin not have a last/clan name, I noticed he and Taash are like the only two companions who are still missing one.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 26, 2024 23:12:19 GMT
Does Davrin not have a last/clan name, I noticed he and Taash are like the only two companions who are still missing one. Given that his surname is likely his clan name, it's likely that either they keep it under wraps for spoiler reasons, or - because Davrin has apparently departed from his clan - he may no longer use it.
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Post by Syv on Aug 27, 2024 1:35:53 GMT
I think Davrin misses someone in this thread...they are inseparable it seems
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 27, 2024 1:36:56 GMT
I think Davrin misses someone in this thread...they are inseparable it seems The griffon is soooo cute. I can't wait to pet it. And cuddle with both of them.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 27, 2024 7:05:03 GMT
I'm really hoping this emphasis on him being a monster hunter, rather than just darkspawn, means he didn't take the Joining. I definitely think he will be safer that way. Glad to know he left his clan of his own accord (I assume) rather than got infected with the taint and had to join up. Bold and charming, this Grey Warden has made a name for himself as a monster hunter. Though he was raised in a Dalish clan, he craved excitement and adventure. He’d rather make history than reflect on it. Now, he cares for Assan, a young griffon.
The question i have is: if he has gone through the joining or is he a grey warden because of Assan picked him?
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 27, 2024 7:08:32 GMT
I think Davrin misses someone in this thread...they are inseparable it seems The griffon is soooo cute. I can't wait to pet it. And cuddle with both of them. Yes Assan is a big plus for davrin. But his new picture also let him get up my companion ranks. My companion ranks changes in the last month a lot.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2024 9:07:07 GMT
The question i have is: if he has gone through the joining or is he a grey warden because of Assan picked him? I dare say that will be part of his background story. As I've said previously, it depends on when he joined up. Back in Last Flight they were delaying putting new recruits through the Joining unless they insisted upon it themselves. That was in 9:42. So, Davrin could have joined up after this, not been put through the Joining and still have made a name for himself as a monster hunter by 9:52 when our story starts. Assan would definitely appear to be one of the griffons whose eggs were hatched at the end of Last Flight, because he is brindled like the first one to hatch and said to be like the father of the brood, Crookytail, Garahel's mount. Assan has an illustrious lineage because his mother was Smoke the griffon that Garahel gave to his lover. Sort of romantic isn't it. Anyway, she wasn't a Grey Warden, just part of their forces during the Blight, like our companions in DAO, so you don't have to be a Warden for a griffon to bond with you. In fact, given their hatred for blighted creatures, I would have thought not having taken the Joining would be a bonus. We know from Duncan's attitude to Jory that once you agree to sign on, you are considered a Grey Warden whether you have taken the Joining or not and are required to follow orders, even if you have decided you have changed your mind when you see what those orders entail. So, if Davrin turned up at Weisshaupt wanting to join the Wardens, then he is a Grey Warden whether he went through the Joining or not. To be honest, I see no reason to put recruits through the Joining in between Blights in view of the potential wastage. The benefits of being able to detect darkspawn are outweighed by the negatives. After all, they aren't hard to find, just head into the Deep Roads.
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Post by Syv on Aug 27, 2024 17:31:15 GMT
A better size of the new pic of Davrin
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 27, 2024 23:19:18 GMT
Here's an interesting thought - what if Davrin is from clan Lavellan?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 8:33:37 GMT
Here's an interesting thought - what if Davrin is from clan Lavellan? Probably too much of a coincidence. Also, I think they said that any differences in vallaslin from DAI were due to being in a different part of Thedas where the customs varied. You know, the clans have grown apart down the years? So, likely he does come from a clan on that side of Thedas. I do find it amusing that it says he left his clan because he was looking for action and adventure, as though the Dalish don't have to deal with danger and monsters on a daily basis, particularly if his clan was based up in the Anderfels. The Dalish may be concerned with finding, preserving and passing on their ancient customs as their main motivation for existence but that doesn't mean they aren't in a constant battle for survival and creating their own new histories to pass on as a result. To give an example, we were given a story back in DAO about a clan that was up in the Anderfels during the 2nd Blight and how they overcame the darkspawn with fire. Now perhaps that was Davrin's clan. The Tale of IlorenIn the days after the rising of Zazikel, the dark ones covered every corner of the land. The archdemon drove all the nations of the world before him, shemlen and elvhen alike.In the far north, where the hills wander the plains and the earth is eternally baked beneath the uncaring sun, the lands which the shemlen call Anderfels, a clan of our people lived, struggling to survive the Blight.Iloren was their keeper. A hunter in his younger days, crafty as any wolf, he led his people always just ahead of the darkspawn who chased them. But the old hunter knew that even halla cannot run forever. They must turn and fight, or be run down.At the foot of the Merdaine, the darkspawn cornered Illoren's clan. That night, the moon was strangled by clouds, the earth concealed by a dread mist that rose out of nowhere, so that the elvhen could not tell up from down. In the confusion, the darkspawn attacked.But Iloren had prepared for them. All around the camp, the hunters had strewn dry grass, brush and brambles. When the sound of rustling footfalls began, Iloren and the other hahren called upon the old magic. They struck out with lightning, and though the bolts missed the darkspawn, they hit their target all the same. The sea of kindling lit, and not one of the dark creatures made it through the fire to reach Iloren's clan.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 28, 2024 9:06:46 GMT
Now perhaps that was Davrin's clan. And if he isn't from Anderfels and only come there for the hunt. Would find it interessting, if he would be from a land we don't know yet.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 9:33:25 GMT
And if he isn't from Anderfels and only come there for the hunt. Would find it interessting, if he would be from a land we don't know yet. Notice some interesting features of the story. Illoren was a hunter as a young man but clearly also a mage because he became the clan's Keeper. He was described as being "as crafty as a wolf" in his leadership and ultimately he defeated the darkspawn not by brute force but by using his brains to outwit them. Perhaps Illoren's clan owed their allegiance to the Dread Wolf and that was why they were up in the Anderfels instead of down in the Dales with the other Dalish. It did seem as though they had decided to respond to Drakon's call for assistance, unlike the other leaders Ameridan speaks of, because otherwise why were they up in the Anderfels? His clan has always intrigued me because there seemed no reason they should be up there and even less so after what Ameridan said. However, an outlying clan of Fen'Harel supporters would make sense, particularly as there are other outliers in the Tirashan, likely followers of the Forgotten Ones. Likely there were other groups of elves that weren't in the Dales when it fell to Orlais. Since the Dalish stories make it clear there was worshipers of the Forgotten Ones that weren't approved of and were likely driven out, is it beyond the bounds of possibility there were others who honoured Fen'Harel who were treated in the same way. The ancient folktale of the trickster warrior who fought against tyrants had to come from someone who likely knew the truth but wasn't explicit about it out of expediency.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 28, 2024 14:56:47 GMT
Here's an interesting thought - what if Davrin is from clan Lavellan? Probably too much of a coincidence. Also, I think they said that any differences in vallaslin from DAI were due to being in a different part of Thedas where the customs varied. You know, the clans have grown apart down the years? So, likely he does come from a clan on that side of Thedas. Davrin strikes me as quite young and it's been 10 years - and clan Lavellan may have gone through changes. In fact, if the Inquisitor is an elf, it definitely goes through changes
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 17:57:02 GMT
Davrin strikes me as quite young and it's been 10 years - and clan Lavellan may have gone through changes. In fact, if the Inquisitor is an elf, it definitely goes through changes It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he met Inquisitor Lavellan if they attended the next Arlathven as my one did. Alternatively, he met them as a younger elf at an Arlathvhen that preceded the Inquisition. I just find it hard to imagine clan Lavellan moving away from the Freemarches, unless they joined a general group of Dalish heading for Arlathan Forest, which is a possibility. My point was that I don't think Davrin's vallaslin match any of those that we were offered in DAI for Lavellan. I hardly think clan Lavellan would have changed their style in such a short time, particularly as Davrin must have been in the Wardens for a number of years. However, I will allow that if the "clans have been growing apart" then if his clan was isolated over on the west side of Thedas, without much contact with the eastern groups, it is entirely possible that their vallaslin could have altered over time. I still think it would be a nice nod back to DAO if Davrin was from Illoren's clan and he ends up telling Rook a version of that story.
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Post by MeadKnight on Aug 28, 2024 18:06:01 GMT
Davrin from the Art book!
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 18:17:03 GMT
Interesting, it looks as though for a time they were considering making him a mage. It seems they were considering him have a hawk or may be they thought Assan would be a lot smaller initially. It would be funny if he originally did train Assan to come to his arm and now he has to be careful about stretching it out in case the griffon still tries to land on it.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 28, 2024 20:56:19 GMT
Davrin strikes me as quite young and it's been 10 years - and clan Lavellan may have gone through changes. In fact, if the Inquisitor is an elf, it definitely goes through changes It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that he met Inquisitor Lavellan if they attended the next Arlathven as my one did. Alternatively, he met them as a younger elf at an Arlathvhen that preceded the Inquisition. I just find it hard to imagine clan Lavellan moving away from the Freemarches, unless they joined a general group of Dalish heading for Arlathan Forest, which is a possibility. My point was that I don't think Davrin's vallaslin match any of those that we were offered in DAI for Lavellan. I hardly think clan Lavellan would have changed their style in such a short time, particularly as Davrin must have been in the Wardens for a number of years. However, I will allow that if the "clans have been growing apart" then if his clan was isolated over on the west side of Thedas, without much contact with the eastern groups, it is entirely possible that their vallaslin could have altered over time. I still think it would be a nice nod back to DAO if Davrin was from Illoren's clan and he ends up telling Rook a version of that story. I think it's mostly possible that Davrin is potentially from a clan we know because he left it and began what is effectively an adventurer's life that appears to have led him to Anderfels/Weisshaupt (which is veeeeeery far away from Free Marches). Also - truth of a matter is that our Lavellan may have simply had access to a range of vallaslins, but not its full spectrum (and we don't really see THAT many Dalish elves in Inquisition to assume we've seen them all). Or Davrin might've as well gone with something that's unique to him. He doesn't really care about history THAT MUCH, which is what we're basically told in his short description.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2024 7:58:51 GMT
He doesn't really care about history THAT MUCH, which is what we're basically told in his short description. Then why bother with them at all? It seems likely he went through his coming of age right of passage whilst still with his clan (probably his mid teens) but then grew dissatisfied with life there afterwards and starting longing for something more. It is also possible, since he does seem something of a glory hound, that may be he was taking too many risks on hunting trips and the like and when the older hunters/guards told him to rein it in, he decided to leave instead. I'm not saying that he doesn't genuinely care about other people and want to protect them from the monsters that he kills but he is far more inclined to go out of his way to find the monsters in the first place and bring back trophies to show off his achievements. Thus being a Warden and going out regularly looking for darkspawn and other monsters to kill rather than waiting for them to come to them, and having ordinary citizens view him as a hero for doing this, would be preferable to the mundane task of guarding camp even though nothing might happen for days, or just hunting prey to eat, with an occasional excursion into monster infested ruins and no recognition that you were doing anything out of the ordinary.
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Post by Syv on Sept 1, 2024 8:23:53 GMT
Davrin's chamber. Didn’t suspect Davrin had such an artistic side ! I’m absolutely loving it. All these wood crops. Wonderful what he can achieve with a simple knife ! He is also quite productive ! I can see my character Indira during periods of well-deserved rest silently contemplating her love interest carve things, fascinated every time during the process, while caressing the snoozing gryffon in her arms, in a peaceful atmosphere and in front of a comforting fire haha !
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 1, 2024 12:21:36 GMT
I'm not saying that he doesn't genuinely care about other people and want to protect them from the monsters that he kills but he is far more inclined to go out of his way to find the monsters in the first place and bring back trophies to show off his achievements. How about that, it seems I was right! Even if he can't actually bring back his trophies, he makes carvings of the monsters he kills. What about those nugs though and the other small creatures underneath? Could he have a side-line in selling his carvings? It would certainly be a good money spinner if Leliana is Divine as everyone knows her love for nugs.
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Post by Syv on Sept 1, 2024 16:22:34 GMT
I'm not saying that he doesn't genuinely care about other people and want to protect them from the monsters that he kills but he is far more inclined to go out of his way to find the monsters in the first place and bring back trophies to show off his achievements. How about that, it seems I was right! Even if he can't actually bring back his trophies, he makes carvings of the monsters he kills. What about those nugs though and the other small creatures underneath? Could he have a side-line in selling his carvings? It would certainly be a good money spinner if Leliana is Divine as everyone knows her love for nugs. That portrayal is spot on. Davrin left his clan to seek adventure, and would rather make history than study it and therefore join the Grey Warden just like that. Who does that ? lol. I can't wait to discover how exactly he was recruited, under what circumstances, who was the veteran that brought him with him (if that's the case). He is definitely driven by glory and personal achievements. Hunting is his passion and his work among grey wardens who know how to use their asset. It was no coincidence that he was entrusted with Assan. A side-line in selling his carvings ? Yeah, that might explain why he has so many. It would be actually funny if he sold a few nugs to Leliana, whether she is divine or not lol.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 1, 2024 17:39:26 GMT
Davrin left his clan to seek adventure, and would rather make history than study it and therefore join the Grey Warden just like that. Who does that ? lol. That is what puzzled me and why I objected to the idea he could have any connection with the Dalish clans we have dealt with previously. They are on the wrong side of Thedas and he is clearly attached to Weisshaupt or he would never have acquired a griffon. Most Wardens never go to Weisshaupt except under special circumstances but just stay in the region where they were recruited. However, in Hunger in Tevinter Nights Evka and Antoine had been summoned to Weisshaupt from Orlais (clearly they had both been recruited after the events of DAI), so I suppose it might be possible that Davrin was also from another part of Thedas and then stayed on in Weisshaupt after he had found out what the summons was in aid of. As you say, though, he could just have become a monster hunter on a freelance basis instead of joining the Wardens. I can only assume he is a bit like King Cailan and Alistair and he has this romantic notion of the Wardens. If he was from Ferelden, may be the clan storyteller kept recounting the Battle of Denerim to him and he thought it sounded more exciting being a Warden than staying in the clan. Didn't they say that there is a bit of friction between him and Bellara because she doesn't approve of him abandoning his clan in that way or did I just imagine that? I suppose the other use for that many nugs is that everyone else in the Veilguard is getting one as their Satinalia present this year.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 2, 2024 1:21:38 GMT
He could also have gotten into a fight with darkspawn while on a hunting trip (maybe even hunting darkspawn? an ogre?) and needed to become a Grey Warden to survive being blighted.
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