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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 27, 2024 20:38:44 GMT
Dunno, Lucanis doesn’t strike me as insecure at all. Deep down, he must know he’s not like, the life of the party, Mr. Charisma - that was more Illario’s thing, but it didn’t seem to bother Lucanis. He seemed very confident in his own skin, that is… until he began sharing that skin with Spite. I think that exchange was more just Spite being well, spiteful and trying to get under Lucanis’s skin, throwing little jabs at him.
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Post by jennica on Sept 27, 2024 20:47:13 GMT
Which is funny considering how popular he is. True, but the thing about insecurity is that it often ain't rational, or it manifests from a different hurt. I agree. All i'm saying it's ironic that one of the most popular DAVe characters (presumably) has insecurities. Bro doesn't realize what his smirk can do to so maybe people.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 27, 2024 20:49:18 GMT
I think Lucanis and Harding’s storylines are the most interesting so far, I can’t wait to get to it! And honey, I was not expecting such a storyline to interest me. Not after Anders. And the way they’re doing it too, is kind of brilliant. Rook and Co. can’t see Spite, so they’re all like “Dude, who are you talking to?” - but we do as the audience/player, we get a glimpse of what’s happening internally, the sort of “devil in the shoulder” sitch that Lucanis is constantly dealing with. I love it.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 27, 2024 20:49:26 GMT
Dunno, Lucanis doesn’t strike me as insecure at all. Deep down, he must know he’s not like, the life of the party, Mr. Charisma - that was more Illario’s thing, but it didn’t seem to bother Lucanis. He seemed very confident in his own skin, that is… until he began sharing that skin with Spite. I think that exchange was more just Spite being well, spiteful and trying to get under Lucanis’s skin, throwing little jabs at him. From what I've gathered he's a family guy? But look where he comes from. Granny abused him and made him the Golden Child. His BFF is Cousin Judas. They're all in the wonderful murder business. I wouldn't feel secure if I was him. It's like they say in Fallout NV, the game was rigged from the start. I pity Antivan Polly Pocket if he trusts and loves those people.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 8:49:30 GMT
Dunno, Lucanis doesn’t strike me as insecure at all. Deep down, he must know he’s not like, the life of the party, Mr. Charisma - that was more Illario’s thing, but it didn’t seem to bother Lucanis. He seemed very confident in his own skin, that is… until he began sharing that skin with Spite. I think that exchange was more just Spite being well, spiteful and trying to get under Lucanis’s skin, throwing little jabs at him. I think i can explain when i speak about myself. If people see me they think i am totally secure, but because of what life has taught me i am not. I am really insecure and the secure look is only a wall that protect me from beeing an victim of other.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 28, 2024 11:04:52 GMT
Which is funny considering how popular he is. Yeh, Lucanis should visit these boards, then he'd feel a whole lot better about himself.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 28, 2024 11:17:38 GMT
Dunno, Lucanis doesn’t strike me as insecure at all. Deep down, he must know he’s not like, the life of the party, Mr. Charisma - that was more Illario’s thing, but it didn’t seem to bother Lucanis. He seemed very confident in his own skin, that is… until he began sharing that skin with Spite. I think that exchange was more just Spite being well, spiteful and trying to get under Lucanis’s skin, throwing little jabs at him. From what I've gathered he's a family guy? But look where he comes from. Granny abused him and made him the Golden Child. His BFF is Cousin Judas. They're all in the wonderful murder business. I wouldn't feel secure if I was him. It's like they say in Fallout NV, the game was rigged from the start. I pity Antivan Polly Pocket if he trusts and loves those people. Exactly my thoughts. Lucanis is very intense because that's all he's ever known. Probably it is worse because he is Caterina's favourite grandson. His enemies want to get him. His allies envy him. When you are at the top, there is only one direction you can go. When you know everyone want to stab you in the back, that makes for insecurity. If you're vain and full of yourself like Illario then perhaps you aren't to the same extent (although deep down he probably is) but I'm fairly certain that ever since he was a child he has never really known genuine trust and affection.
Zevran was also insecure deep down, whilst on the face of it he seemed full of confidence and swagger. Yes, he knew he was physically attractive but that was only a superficial thing. Deep down he was pretty messed up too but eventually we could overcome that and he was then was eternally loyal to his beloved.
If you can't earn similar love and devotion from Lucanis I shall be extremely disappointed but I fully expect it to be hard work with or without Spite complicating things.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 2, 2024 1:14:05 GMT
In terms of romance, is there any reason to even bother? C'mon, we've done this dance before with Anders.
There is no fucking way that a romance with a guy possessed by a demon won't end in disaster.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 2, 2024 1:23:14 GMT
In terms of romance, is there any reason to even bother? C'mon, we've done this dance before with Anders. There is no fucking way that a romance with a guy possessed by a demon won't end in disaster. As long as it doesen't end with another Chantry exploding I'll call it a win.
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Post by Liepsnele on Oct 2, 2024 5:45:50 GMT
In terms of romance, is there any reason to even bother? C'mon, we've done this dance before with Anders. There is no fucking way that a romance with a guy possessed by a demon won't end in disaster. I'm sure it will be fine, his demon turns into a benevolent spirit through the power of love (or friendship, if he's not romanced) and we all live happily ever after
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 2, 2024 7:54:01 GMT
I'm sure it will be fine, his demon turns into a benevolent spirit through the power of love (or friendship, if he's not romanced) and we all live happily ever after I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but actually I would be rather disappointed if it didn't considering we have been down this path before with Anders and it didn't end well, since you either had to execute your lover or ignore the fact he was a terrorist responsible for the death of many innocent people (it wasn't just the Grand Cleric and a few Templars but those in the surrounding area and of course the entire Circle of Magi.) Also in view of how they retconned the Iron Bull romance: Now it always ends well because of the influence of true love on him that causes him to reject the orders of his superiors. So, no betrayal in Trespasser because you didn't kill the Chargers. Also, I imagine by the same token if you didn't romance him then it is automatically assumed he romanced Dorian with the same effect.
So if they do the dirty on a Lucanis romance, that will be inconsistent and hypocritical just because Weakes' favours Iron Bull.
Of course, if the betrayal is based on choices that you make in game, rather than being railroaded that way, then that is automatically better than Anders.
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Post by Liepsnele on Oct 2, 2024 10:24:20 GMT
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but actually I would be rather disappointed if it didn't considering we have been down this path before with Anders and it didn't end well, since you either had to execute your lover or ignore the fact he was a terrorist responsible for the death of many innocent people (it wasn't just the Grand Cleric and a few Templars but those in the surrounding area and of course the entire Circle of Magi.) Also in view of how they retconned the Iron Bull romance: Now it always ends well because of the influence of true love on him that causes him to reject the orders of his superiors. So, no betrayal in Trespasser because you didn't kill the Chargers. Also, I imagine by the same token if you didn't romance him then it is automatically assumed he romanced Dorian with the same effect.
So if they do the dirty on a Lucanis romance, that will be inconsistent and hypocritical just because Weakes' favours Iron Bull.
Of course, if the betrayal is based on choices that you make in game, rather than being railroaded that way, then that is automatically better than Anders. I'm being more hopeful than sarcastic. As you said, we already had Anders/Justice situation that ended in tragedy, and I don't think Bioware would do the same storyline again, maybe the opposite? Justice got warped into Vengeance due to Anders emotions. Perhaps Lucanis' demon gets molded into a benevolent spirit over time. I don't see his storyline ending in anything but tragedy if the demon is left as it is.
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Post by fraggle on Oct 2, 2024 10:50:24 GMT
Ugh, I tried to stay away from this thread. Fail. Clicked some spoilers too... Give me demon drama. All of it! Good, bad, weird, I'm so in
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Post by colfoley on Oct 2, 2024 10:51:50 GMT
I'm sure it will be fine, his demon turns into a benevolent spirit through the power of love (or friendship, if he's not romanced) and we all live happily ever after I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but actually I would be rather disappointed if it didn't considering we have been down this path before with Anders and it didn't end well, since you either had to execute your lover or ignore the fact he was a terrorist responsible for the death of many innocent people (it wasn't just the Grand Cleric and a few Templars but those in the surrounding area and of course the entire Circle of Magi.) Also in view of how they retconned the Iron Bull romance: Now it always ends well because of the influence of true love on him that causes him to reject the orders of his superiors. So, no betrayal in Trespasser because you didn't kill the Chargers. Also, I imagine by the same token if you didn't romance him then it is automatically assumed he romanced Dorian with the same effect.
So if they do the dirty on a Lucanis romance, that will be inconsistent and hypocritical just because Weakes' favours Iron Bull.
Of course, if the betrayal is based on choices that you make in game, rather than being railroaded that way, then that is automatically better than Anders. I need to see this infamous romance card that everyone is talking about...
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 2, 2024 12:38:17 GMT
I need to see this infamous romance card that everyone is talking about... I've been trying to find the video I saw it on but unfortunately I don't remember which one, so there are rather a lot to wade through. I'm certain I didn't imagine it though, as I've seen another where they were saying that John Epler had confirmed the romances would be standardized and they assumed that meant there would be no bad endings to them. I just can't find the one where it was actually shown on screen. Perhaps they were ordered by Bioware to take it down.
Also, seen another where it is quoted from an IGN article that the Inquisitor feels in some way responsible for Solas. I hope they mean simply that is their own take on it and not actually the Devs because there is no way my Inquisitor feels responsible for Solas and what he has done. They might regret they weren't able to stop him but that was hardly their fault. I repeat what I keep saying, neither the Inquisitor nor Rook should feel responsible for what happened with his ritual. That was entirely down to Solas not telling them what he was going to do with regard to the elven gods and what his ritual was really supposed to do. Instead it was all "I had plans" and "I can't tell you why this world has to die because you might figure it all out" and...what? Come up with a better plan, perhaps?
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Post by Iddy on Oct 2, 2024 14:47:20 GMT
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but actually I would be rather disappointed if it didn't considering we have been down this path before with Anders and it didn't end well, since you either had to execute your lover or ignore the fact he was a terrorist responsible for the death of many innocent people (it wasn't just the Grand Cleric and a few Templars but those in the surrounding area and of course the entire Circle of Magi.) Also in view of how they retconned the Iron Bull romance: Now it always ends well because of the influence of true love on him that causes him to reject the orders of his superiors. So, no betrayal in Trespasser because you didn't kill the Chargers. Also, I imagine by the same token if you didn't romance him then it is automatically assumed he romanced Dorian with the same effect.
So if they do the dirty on a Lucanis romance, that will be inconsistent and hypocritical just because Weakes' favours Iron Bull.
Of course, if the betrayal is based on choices that you make in game, rather than being railroaded that way, then that is automatically better than Anders. I'm being more hopeful than sarcastic. As you said, we already had Anders/Justice situation that ended in tragedy, and I don't think Bioware would do the same storyline again, maybe the opposite? Justice got warped into Vengeance due to Anders emotions. Perhaps Lucanis' demon gets molded into a benevolent spirit over time. I don't see his storyline ending in anything but tragedy if the demon is left as it is. Since when is Bioware above doing the same storyline again? Both Isabela and Zevran are promiscuous rogues who are afraid of being vulnerable and falling in love. Both Solas and Morrigan are mages who keep secrets and then abandon you to pursue their agendas. Details may change, but storylines can be done more than once.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 3, 2024 5:35:18 GMT
I guess that is a retcon from a certain point of view sort of things...
But it is basically what happened in Inquisition so I'm not really seeing it.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2024 5:47:49 GMT
I guess that is a retcon from a certain point of view sort of things...
But it is basically what happened in Inquisition so I'm not really seeing it. What retcon? If Bull betrays Inquisition in Trespasser his feelings were never real. Thus, he was never successfully romanced.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 3, 2024 5:55:28 GMT
I guess that is a retcon from a certain point of view sort of things...
But it is basically what happened in Inquisition so I'm not really seeing it. What retcon? If Bull betrays Inquisition in Trespasser his feelings were never real. Thus, he was never successfully romanced. That's what I said when it was brought up the first time but gervaise21 has argued that the Iron Bull romance card constitutes a retcon and a cannonization of the choice whether to save the Chargers or not, meaning that the Chargers now always survive. I don't agree but there we are.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2024 5:56:52 GMT
I'm sure it will be fine, his demon turns into a benevolent spirit through the power of love (or friendship, if he's not romanced) and we all live happily ever after I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but actually I would be rather disappointed if it didn't considering we have been down this path before with Anders and it didn't end well, since you either had to execute your lover or ignore the fact he was a terrorist responsible for the death of many innocent people (it wasn't just the Grand Cleric and a few Templars but those in the surrounding area and of course the entire Circle of Magi.) Also in view of how they retconned the Iron Bull romance: Now it always ends well because of the influence of true love on him that causes him to reject the orders of his superiors. So, no betrayal in Trespasser because you didn't kill the Chargers. Also, I imagine by the same token if you didn't romance him then it is automatically assumed he romanced Dorian with the same effect.
So if they do the dirty on a Lucanis romance, that will be inconsistent and hypocritical just because Weakes' favours Iron Bull.
Of course, if the betrayal is based on choices that you make in game, rather than being railroaded that way, then that is automatically better than Anders. If Bull betrays Inquisitor, he was never romanced - he was simply using Inquisitor (or Dorian), but never returned their feelings. He remained Hissrad (liar). It's not a retcon - even in interview with Weekes years ago Trick made it clear how much Bull was NOT romanced, if Inquisitor effectively killed his family and made Iron Bull stay dedicated to the Qun.
Besides - I think people forget that 8 years have passed since Trespasser. 8 years is a long time, so it may even be that Inky may have romanced someone, but things fell apart years later. If we choose a romance card in the Veilguard it means that the relationship stood the test of time.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2024 6:02:53 GMT
What retcon? If Bull betrays Inquisition in Trespasser his feelings were never real. Thus, he was never successfully romanced. That's what I said when it was brought up the first time but gervaise21 has argued that the Iron Bull romance card constitutes a retcon and a cannonization of the choice whether to save the Chargers or not, meaning that the Chargers now always survive. I don't agree but there we are. I really don't see how this conclusion can be reached, especially given that no one yet has seen the game and didn't see the extent of past companions' involvement. But the only way Iron Bull can *actually* be romanced, for real - and it's been confirmed years ago by Bull's writer - is when we save Chargers and Bull becomes Tal-Vashoth. We don't know what happens to him if he ain't romanced. For all we know he's never mentioned, mentioned only vaguely, or we get to specify his fate through some means we get while actually playing the game, like specific dialogues or interactions.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 3, 2024 6:23:37 GMT
You can read "pick wether the inky was romantically involved". Most romance have a failed state, most failed state involve no death, the feelings were genuine it just didn't work out. So not worth mentionning and you gotta pick single during inquisiton, and it wasn't the case at all for some players. You can pick got dumped twice by Solas but still pining over him for a decade, but not I had to kill my lover and still feel like shit over it.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2024 6:55:31 GMT
You can read "pick wether the inky was romantically involved". Most romance have a failed state, most failed state involve no death, the feelings were genuine it just didn't work out. So not worth mentionning and you gotta pick single during inquisiton, and it wasn't the case at all for some players. You can pick got dumped twice by Solas but still pining over him for a decade, but not I had to kill my lover and still feel like shit over it. I really don't see where complaints are coming from - yes, you don't get to choose to specify that Inky feels terrible after what happened with Bull... but you don't get to choose this about Solas either. And the decision whether to kill him or not is not dependent on any previous relationship status.
Basically, we get to choose the exact same level of detail about romance with Solas as we do with Iron Bull, which is - we don't get to specify anything about it; just that feelings have prevailed up to events of Veilguard (or not).
And since we didn't yet see the game we have no idea whatsoever if/how past romantic life of Inky is going to be addressed.
As for Solavellan, and whether they'll get any additional content in DAVe... quite possibly. This is a flavor they can add on top of a seemingly important aspect of DAVe, which is relationship between Inky and Solas, be it positive or negative.
But that's nothing new - you get to see past romance affect events in Inquisition only if you romance Morrigan and have a kid with her, so a *very* specific worldstate. And I don't recall people throwing a big fit over getting something more out of it in later chapter, when they choose to romance a character that is more relevant to the overarching plot than others.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 3, 2024 7:44:54 GMT
You can read "pick wether the inky was romantically involved". Most romance have a failed state, most failed state involve no death, the feelings were genuine it just didn't work out. So not worth mentionning and you gotta pick single during inquisiton, and it wasn't the case at all for some players. You can pick got dumped twice by Solas but still pining over him for a decade, but not I had to kill my lover and still feel like shit over it. Keep in mind a Qunari Iron Bull wouldn't believe in romance or personal connection because the Qunari don't believe in such things. If they 'need sex' then they just go to a Tamassaran to pop your cork. If they need children then it is properly organized. No romance. No personal connection. A Bull that stays loyal to the Qun is either just a fling or Bull is using the Inquisitor like James Bond would.
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