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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2024 10:56:17 GMT
You can read "pick wether the inky was romantically involved". Most romance have a failed state, most failed state involve no death, the feelings were genuine it just didn't work out. So not worth mentionning and you gotta pick single during inquisiton, and it wasn't the case at all for some players. You can pick got dumped twice by Solas but still pining over him for a decade, but not I had to kill my lover and still feel like shit over it. Keep in mind a Qunari Iron Bull wouldn't believe in romance or personal connection because the Qunari don't believe in such things. If they 'need sex' then they just go to a Tamassaran to pop your cork. If they need children then it is properly organized. No romance. No personal connection. A Bull that stays loyal to the Qun is either just a fling or Bull is using the Inquisitor like James Bond would. That's not the point. Of course, Hissrad didn't view it as a romance but they are not asking about him but whether your Inquisitor had a relationship that they viewed as a romance. It also seems to assume that when they speak of romance they do mean hearts and flowers and lasting devotion. What if the person playing it only viewed it as sex but they did class it as a romance? Now, of course, they can't allow for every nuance of the relationship with the person but I've already pointed out how the outcome can also differ with Blackwall and with only one choice relative to your relationship with companions (whether romantic or not) severely limits the way they can portray it without negating your experience in game.
Take for example, the choices carrying over from DA2 to DAI if your romanced Anders. Now if they had only taken into account the fact whether you romanced him or not, would not really reflect what happened. As it is, he more equates to Solas because if you had been given only 3 choices to carry over, they would probably have been did you side with the mages or Templars and did you execute Anders or not? That would probably have given them sufficient information to reflect the outcome of your choices with respect to him. However, what about the rest of the companions? If you didn't romance Isabella, would they have assumed she left and didn't come back? What about Merrill and Fenris? Would they assume that they were always loyal or would they interpret it differently depending on whom you supported at the end? Presumably the former or they would have ended up dead.
Of course, they neatly side-stepped that anyway by having the lover no longer with Hawke either in DAI and a fairly generic Q&A with Varric about what the other companions were doing. Nevertheless, I believe they could be left out of the narrative he gives if they did not survive to the end of the game because there were sufficient choices in the Keep to reflect their fate. Even so, the team effectively ignored our choices with Fenris when it came to green lighting the story in Blue Wraith and his attitude towards Hawke and his former allies. You may recall I was not happy with that, particularly as I romanced Fenris, but then I thought the whole explanation why he was not with them in DAI was pretty lame too. However, I had assumed that when Hawke returned to Kirkwall at the end of Trespasser, that Fenris (or whoever was their LI) would have been reunited with them. Then the writer of the comic series justified Fenris' attitude because he assumed that Hawke would have been left in the Fade. So, that made two assumptions that he made and Bioware agreed to that did not respect my choices in either game. Yet it seems we are to understand that the comic series are pretty much canon.
This is why having such limited options in DAV does mean they either will have to assume a canon world state in order to speak of the companions in anything but very general terms or ignore them altogether. In the case of the LI it would seem they have chosen a canon outcome for their relationship. It is not a case that I need to see the companions but it is the fact that I can still feel part of the same world as I was in at end end of Trespasser if the Inquisitor or anyone else speaks about them. That team was important to me in DAI in the same way as they want me to feel about the team in the Veilguard but the fact they have made so few choices available to me, suggests they just want me to forget them, let alone those from earlier games.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 3, 2024 11:03:19 GMT
Keep in mind a Qunari Iron Bull wouldn't believe in romance or personal connection because the Qunari don't believe in such things. If they 'need sex' then they just go to a Tamassaran to pop your cork. If they need children then it is properly organized. No romance. No personal connection. A Bull that stays loyal to the Qun is either just a fling or Bull is using the Inquisitor like James Bond would. That's not the point. Of course, Hissrad didn't view it as a romance but they are not asking about him but whether your Inquisitor had a relationship that they viewed as a romance. It also seems to assume that when they speak of romance they do mean hearts and flowers and lasting devotion. What if the person playing it only viewed it as sex but they did class it as a romance? Now, of course, they can't allow for every nuance of the relationship with the person but I've already pointed out how the outcome can also differ with Blackwall and with only one choice relative to your relationship with companions (whether romantic or not) severely limits the way they can portray it without negating your experience in game.
Take for example, the choices carrying over from DA2 to DAI if your romanced Anders. Now if they had only taken into account the fact whether you romanced him or not, would not really reflect what happened. As it is, he more equates to Solas because if you had been given only 3 choices to carry over, they would probably have been did you side with the mages or Templars and did you execute Anders or not? That would probably have given them sufficient information to reflect the outcome of your choices with respect to him. However, what about the rest of the companions? If you didn't romance Isabella, would they have assumed she left and didn't come back? What about Merrill and Fenris? Would they assume that they were always loyal or would they interpret it differently depending on whom you supported at the end? Presumably the former or they would have ended up dead.
Of course, they neatly side-stepped that anyway by having the lover no longer with Hawke either in DAI and a fairly generic Q&A with Varric about what the other companions were doing. Nevertheless, I believe they could be left out of the narrative he gives if they did not survive to the end of the game because there were sufficient choices in the Keep to reflect their fate. Even so, the team effectively ignored our choices with Fenris when it came to green lighting the story in Blue Wraith and his attitude towards Hawke and his former allies. You may recall I was not happy with that, particularly as I romanced Fenris, but then I thought the whole explanation why he was not with them in DAI was pretty lame too. However, I had assumed that when Hawke returned to Kirkwall at the end of Trespasser, that Fenris (or whoever was their LI) would have been reunited with them. Then the writer of the comic series justified Fenris' attitude because he assumed that Hawke would have been left in the Fade. So, that made two assumptions that he made and Bioware agreed to that did not respect my choices in either game. Yet it seems we are to understand that the comic series are pretty much canon.
This is why having such limited options in DAV does mean they either will have to assume a canon world state in order to speak of the companions in anything but very general terms or ignore them altogether. In the case of the LI it would seem they have chosen a canon outcome for their relationship. It is not a case that I need to see the companions but it is the fact that I can still feel part of the same world as I was in at end end of Trespasser if the Inquisitor or anyone else speaks about them. That team was important to me in DAI in the same way as they want me to feel about the team in the Veilguard but the fact they have made so few choices available to me, suggests they just want me to forget them, let alone those from earlier games. There is a couple of words I can use for someone who has a one sided 'romance' going on with someone, some kinder then others admittedly. But the point is that the entirety of that romance card points to a very specific circumstance of events to make the romance work and be mutual.
And will you forget about them? Because that sounds like a personal problem because I certainly don't intend to forget about them, I also generally assume that most of the Inquisition has moved on either retired or off doing what they were doing, or too quantum to include. I did half wonder if they were going to include the relationship and how the Inquisitor felt about each companion in here if we got like a Hawke level exposition dump...but it would hardly be neccessary to include and you can talk about them in general terms since the Hawke scene was also pretty general.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 3, 2024 11:27:22 GMT
You can read "pick wether the inky was romantically involved". Most romance have a failed state, most failed state involve no death, the feelings were genuine it just didn't work out. So not worth mentionning and you gotta pick single during inquisiton, and it wasn't the case at all for some players. You can pick got dumped twice by Solas but still pining over him for a decade, but not I had to kill my lover and still feel like shit over it. Keep in mind a Qunari Iron Bull wouldn't believe in romance or personal connection because the Qunari don't believe in such things. If they 'need sex' then they just go to a Tamassaran to pop your cork. If they need children then it is properly organized. No romance. No personal connection. A Bull that stays loyal to the Qun is either just a fling or Bull is using the Inquisitor like James Bond would. Those cards only work for the Trespasser end worldstate. And not what happened during Inquisition. I was not talking about Ib, you can break up with Dorian, Sera towards the end of the game. You had a working relationship for most of the Inquisition length. There's no "ex" status between Inky and past LI, except Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2024 11:38:11 GMT
And will you forget about them? No I won't. Don't try to make it a personal problem I have. I was speaking about the intent of the writers. Also, the fact that I like to immerse myself in the world and like the continuity between games. It was Bioware who originally created these expectations, not me. Clearly we aren't going to agree on this, so ignore me, I'll just go and brood in a corner.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 3, 2024 12:20:59 GMT
Y’all I sympathize with both sides of the argument to an extent, but I’m not sure how relevant any of this is to Lucanis, lol. In other news, I like Mendez, but he might be fast directing Lucanis toward the Zevran-tier in terms of how seriously I take his accent.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 3, 2024 12:23:31 GMT
Y’all I’m not sure how relevant any of this is to Lucanis, lol. In other news, I like Mendez, but he might be fast directing Lucanis toward the Zevran-tier in terms of how seriously I take his accent. I remember Mother Giselle who did the whole "rrr" when there was a H, like Rope for Hope and Lucanis is doing the same stuff. I don't have a clear idea how spanish accent are supposed to sound in English but I wasn't expecting a Mother Giselle meets Zevran.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 3, 2024 12:27:05 GMT
Y’all I’m not sure how relevant any of this is to Lucanis, lol. In other news, I like Mendez, but he might be fast directing Lucanis toward the Zevran-tier in terms of how seriously I take his accent. I remember Mother Giselle who did the whole "rrr" when there was a H, like Rope for Hope and Lucanis is doing the same stuff. I don't have a clear idea how spanish accent are supposed to sound in English but I wasn't expecting a Mother Giselle meets Zevran. Now I’m picturing Zevran in Mother Giselle outfit… I can’t believe you’ve done this. My understanding is that Zach Mendez speaks Spanish but isn’t from the area his accent is attempting to replicate? Idk, something like that.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 3, 2024 13:32:07 GMT
Yet it seems we are to understand that the comic series are pretty much canon. They're not canon. They just assume to take place in a certain world state for dramatic purposes.
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Post by TabithaTH on Oct 3, 2024 13:44:16 GMT
The way I’ve always seen it described is: The events are always canon, however the specifics are not. So if anything contradicts your personal world state, then it still happened, it just happened in a different way that doesn’t interfere with your canon.
Which is why Warden Alistair references having met his dad in the Fade, even if he was King in that particular comic. Or Varric mentions having met The hornless Arishok.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 3, 2024 14:06:41 GMT
So... the comics aren't canon but are based on general events that are.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2024 14:30:44 GMT
Back on the subject of Lucanis, I've heard him using a similar accent in another clip of a role he was in but knew it wasn't his natural accent as I've seen plenty of other stuff when he is using the same voice as he did at the Q&A. My understanding is that Zach Mendez speaks Spanish but isn’t from the area his accent is attempting to replicate? Idk, something like that. This would be understandable because Spain is a big place and just like England (which is way smaller), accents can vary enormously. Thus, it would be hard to criticise his accent without knowing precisely where he is meant to be from. I can speak a limited amount of French but my accent is terrible and would likely make any native speaker cringe no matter what part of the country they are from, so to my uneducated ears, linguistically, I think Zach is doing okay but that is not much of a recommendation.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2024 14:40:52 GMT
Incidentally with regard to any similarity between Lucanis' "condition" and a previous companion. It has occurred to me that in some ways Lucanis' relationship with Spite is the polar opposite to that of Anders with Justice, even if we view them both as spirits rather than spirit or demon, where you might argue this would be the case. I remember Anders saying how he didn't get to drink and enjoy himself as he used to because Justice either didn't allow it or didn't approve. I don't know how Justice viewed him participating in Varric's card parties but I suspect that the reason he was even worse than Dog at Wicked Grace is that Justice was probably preventing him from bluffing as he should.
By contrast, Strife accuses Lucanis of not being fun, so it is the reverse situation to that of Anders and Justice. I imagine Spite would enjoy a game of Wicked Grace and would happily cheat like crazy so he could win, plus sulk and punish Lucanis if he prevented it. It is an interesting relationship because there seems definite demarcation between them, which is unlike any possessed person we have encountered before where, as Flemeth confirmed, it is hard to separate the two, the only distinction occurring in the Fade where, with Wynne and Anders, the spirit becomes the dominant presence.
I am intrigued to discover exactly how their bonding occurred as this would seem to be the reason why their relationship appears different.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 3, 2024 14:49:19 GMT
Incidentally with regard to any similarity between Lucanis' "condition" and a previous companion. It has occurred to me that in some ways Lucanis' relationship with Spite is the polar opposite to that of Anders with Justice, even if we view them both as spirits rather than spirit or demon, where you might argue this would be the case. I remember Anders saying how he didn't get to drink and enjoy himself as he used to because Justice either didn't allow it or didn't approve. I don't know how Justice viewed him participating in Varric's card parties but I suspect that the reason he was even worse than Dog at Wicked Grace is that Justice was probably preventing him from bluffing as he should.
By contrast, Strife accuses Lucanis of not being fun, so it is the reverse situation to that of Anders and Justice. I imagine Spite would enjoy a game of Wicked Grace and would happily cheat like crazy so he could win, plus sulk and punish Lucanis if he prevented it. It is an interesting relationship because there seems definite demarcation between them, which is unlike any possessed person we have encountered before where, as Flemeth confirmed, it is hard to separate the two, the only distinction occurring in the Fade where, with Wynne and Anders, the spirit becomes the dominant presence.
I am intrigued to discover exactly how their bonding occurred as this would seem to be the reason why their relationship appears different. I imagine the "bonding" occured the same way in DA2 some mage gal got some templar possessed. What I don't get is why we're so powerless to do anything about it. We got the oldest "spirit" expert in our noggin, surely he must know a way. Besides we're in the fade in the Lighthouse so why we as players see Spite the way Lucanis sees it, but Rook and co can't see anything. It's the fade. I expect a weird twist like Lucanis is dead. Wynne was only kept alive by her spirit as well.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 3, 2024 15:21:02 GMT
Yeah you can torture someone into "accepting" possession, it's not always a case of truly consenting. Uldred does that in DAO's Broken Circle quest, too. It's mentioned in the Lighthouse scene that you can cure possession without killing the person by killing the demon in the fade. You can do this--or intimidate away--the desire demon possessing Connor in DAO, permanently. But it took a lot of lyrium and mages to do it, or one mage using blood magic and a human sacrifice. And other than that scene in DATV, I don't think its ever brought up as an option again in the other games. Gaider's regret at including the "everyone lives" solution to that DAO quest probably has something to do with downplaying it in subsequent games, so I was pleasantly surprised it was brought up again (because I took this route in my canon world state and it would be weird not at least recognizing its, however remote, possibility).
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Post by Reznore on Oct 3, 2024 15:24:49 GMT
Yeah you can torture someone into "accepting" possession, it's not always a case of truly consenting. Uldred does that in DAO's Broken Circle quest, too. It's mentioned in the Lighthouse scene that you can cure possession without killing the person by killing the demon in the fade. You can do this--or intimidate away--the desire demon possessing Connor in DAO, permanently. But it took a lot of lyrium and mages to do it, or one mage using blood magic and a human sacrifice. And other than that scene in DATV, I don't think its ever brought up as an option again in the other games. Gaider's regret at including the "everyone lives" solution to that DAO quest probably has something to do with downplaying it in subsequent games, so I was pleasantly surprised it was brought up again (because I took this route in my canon world state and it would be weird not at least recognizing its, however remote, possibility). The Lighhouse is in the fade. For unknown reason we can't see Spike there. Even though he's there, we as player and Lucanis can see it.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 3, 2024 16:36:52 GMT
Yeah you can torture someone into "accepting" possession, it's not always a case of truly consenting. Uldred does that in DAO's Broken Circle quest, too. It's mentioned in the Lighthouse scene that you can cure possession without killing the person by killing the demon in the fade. You can do this--or intimidate away--the desire demon possessing Connor in DAO, permanently. But it took a lot of lyrium and mages to do it, or one mage using blood magic and a human sacrifice. And other than that scene in DATV, I don't think its ever brought up as an option again in the other games. Gaider's regret at including the "everyone lives" solution to that DAO quest probably has something to do with downplaying it in subsequent games, so I was pleasantly surprised it was brought up again (because I took this route in my canon world state and it would be weird not at least recognizing its, however remote, possibility). The Lighhouse is in the fade. For unknown reason we can't see Spike there. Even though he's there, we as player and Lucanis can see it. Yeah but the demon's domain is not The Lighthouse. With Connor, we had to go to where the demon actually resided, where it had total control, the part of the demon still connected to the Fade as he was not fully possessed yet. What Lucanis sees seems to be a projection of the demon that's inside him/acting through him. Lucanis isn't fully possessed yet either, because we've seen that full possession turns you into a full-fledged demon (that's when it's truly irreversible by anything but death), so presumably Spite is still connected to his domain 'somewhere' in The Fade.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 3, 2024 16:50:35 GMT
I imagine the "bonding" occured the same way in DA2 some mage gal got some templar possessed. What I don't get is why we're so powerless to do anything about it. We got the oldest "spirit" expert in our noggin, surely he must know a way. Besides we're in the fade in the Lighthouse so why we as players see Spite the way Lucanis sees it, but Rook and co can't see anything. It's the fade. I expect a weird twist like Lucanis is dead. Wynne was only kept alive by her spirit as well. In normally circumstances it should be possible to get rid of the demon. We did it in DAO with either a mage Warden entering the Fade or someone on their behalf and Wynne did it with Pharamond in Asunder, although her spirit took control of the situation when the demon seemed in danger of resisting her interference, so there is definitely a precedent there. I'm sure DG said about Anders that it would have been possible to separate them but neither of them really wanted it. Both Wynne's spirit and that of Mythal were also able to leave their host for another, with Wynne giving her consent but I'm not sure that Flemeth did or not. Thus, there are plenty of options. However, the latest podcast has raised some interesting problems: No sign of Lucanis being possessed in the story. Why was he even there? I thought he was imprisoned in the Ossury, although he was moving around pretty freely so perhaps Caterina got that wrong.
Otherwise, the whole podcast plot really messes with the timeline. Lucanis said he was hired by the father to protect him, so he clearly failed at that. This occurred a number of weeks/months/years (not clear which) previously, so may be that job was before his possession. However, how were they able to hire him for the latest job if the Crows generally thought he was dead and Caterina had only recently become aware of his survival. So, is the timeline Podcast, The Wake and then game? I know they said that if some lore was wrong in the podcast compared with the game, the latter takes precedence, but you would think they wouldn't have got it as wrong as that.
Also apparently Lucanis does have a prior acquaintance with Emmrich and referred to him as a friend. However, that is easier to explain since Lucanis got around a bit in the past. Still, if he was able to free himself, if only temporarily, from the control of Zara's minion, perhaps he had already sought out Emmrich to see what he thought of his predicament. Otherwise, perhaps that is even the reason for seeking out Emmrich in the first place.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 3, 2024 19:12:29 GMT
Zack Mendez was definitely the highlight.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 3, 2024 19:27:56 GMT
I imagine the "bonding" occured the same way in DA2 some mage gal got some templar possessed. What I don't get is why we're so powerless to do anything about it. We got the oldest "spirit" expert in our noggin, surely he must know a way. Besides we're in the fade in the Lighthouse so why we as players see Spite the way Lucanis sees it, but Rook and co can't see anything. It's the fade. I expect a weird twist like Lucanis is dead. Wynne was only kept alive by her spirit as well. In normally circumstances it should be possible to get rid of the demon. We did it in DAO with either a mage Warden entering the Fade or someone on their behalf and Wynne did it with Pharamond in Asunder, although her spirit took control of the situation when the demon seemed in danger of resisting her interference, so there is definitely a precedent there. I'm sure DG said about Anders that it would have been possible to separate them but neither of them really wanted it. Both Wynne's spirit and that of Mythal were also able to leave their host for another, with Wynne giving her consent by I'm not sure that Flemeth did or not. Thus, there are plenty of options. However, the latest podcast has raised some interesting problems: No sign of Lucanis being possessed in the story. Why was he even there? I thought he was imprisoned in the Ossury, although he was moving around pretty freely so perhaps Caterina got that wrong. Him suddenly and unwittingly teleporting is prolly a clue something's off. We also don't know how long Lucanis was imprisoned in Ossuary and how he was utilized over that year.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 4, 2024 7:48:58 GMT
In normally circumstances it should be possible to get rid of the demon. We did it in DAO with either a mage Warden entering the Fade or someone on their behalf and Wynne did it with Pharamond in Asunder, although her spirit took control of the situation when the demon seemed in danger of resisting her interference, so there is definitely a precedent there. I'm sure DG said about Anders that it would have been possible to separate them but neither of them really wanted it. Both Wynne's spirit and that of Mythal were also able to leave their host for another, with Wynne giving her consent by I'm not sure that Flemeth did or not. Thus, there are plenty of options. However, the latest podcast has raised some interesting problems:
No sign of Lucanis being possessed in the story. Why was he even there? I thought he was imprisoned in the Ossury, although he was moving around pretty freely so perhaps Caterina got that wrong. Him suddenly and unwittingly teleporting is prolly a clue something's off. We also don't know how long Lucanis was imprisoned in Ossuary and how he was utilized over that year. I think it probably does have to do with the increased Venatori activity in Antiva. Also, selective memory loss can be evidence of the demon within him messing with his mind. So, Lucanis may be surprised by his sudden teleporting but doesn't realise why because Spite is blocking that knowledge. Spite could even be the reason he is there at all. After all, killing someone who wasn't even responsible for the death of Drayden's father because her relatives put out a contract on him out of revenge/spite would be in keeping with the spirit's portfolio.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Oct 4, 2024 9:03:50 GMT
Incidentally with regard to any similarity between Lucanis' "condition" and a previous companion. It has occurred to me that in some ways Lucanis' relationship with Spite is the polar opposite to that of Anders with Justice, even if we view them both as spirits rather than spirit or demon, where you might argue this would be the case. I remember Anders saying how he didn't get to drink and enjoy himself as he used to because Justice either didn't allow it or didn't approve. I don't know how Justice viewed him participating in Varric's card parties but I suspect that the reason he was even worse than Dog at Wicked Grace is that Justice was probably preventing him from bluffing as he should.
By contrast, Strife accuses Lucanis of not being fun, so it is the reverse situation to that of Anders and Justice. I imagine Spite would enjoy a game of Wicked Grace and would happily cheat like crazy so he could win, plus sulk and punish Lucanis if he prevented it. It is an interesting relationship because there seems definite demarcation between them, which is unlike any possessed person we have encountered before where, as Flemeth confirmed, it is hard to separate the two, the only distinction occurring in the Fade where, with Wynne and Anders, the spirit becomes the dominant presence.
I am intrigued to discover exactly how their bonding occurred as this would seem to be the reason why their relationship appears different. I imagine the "bonding" occured the same way in DA2 some mage gal got some templar possessed. What I don't get is why we're so powerless to do anything about it. We got the oldest "spirit" expert in our noggin, surely he must know a way. Besides we're in the fade in the Lighthouse so why we as players see Spite the way Lucanis sees it, but Rook and co can't see anything. It's the fade. I expect a weird twist like Lucanis is dead. Wynne was only kept alive by her spirit as well.
It's still a definite possibility, in fact I've been saying this all along. We don't know how exactly the possession took place, how terms and conditions(TM) may apply - only that it was at Zara's behest, and she's up to no good. She went to the trouble of giving the Crows a fake corpse - for what, only to avoid retaliation? I doubt it. She had use for Lucanis. Does she have some kind of leash on Spite? Could she have used magic to have Spite carry out assassinations for her as Lucanis, unbeknownst to him at some level, perhaps? Could the fact that Lucanis appears to be walking freely, be only because she wishes so? What are her interests, other than mwa-ha-ha'ing from a distance? For all we know, she could have infiltrated Lucanis in our midst, completely without his knowledge (remember her saying she'd use his compassion, sense of justice... whatever etc - his "weaknesses" against him)? So, he could be thinking, I'm helping to save the world here, but really has been a puppet on a string all along (and he'd black out when Spite takes over - sort of like a split personality. Fight Club style, we see him having conversations in his head with Spite, but we haven't seen Spite take over. Why? Is it because Lucanis has some degree of control over it, or because Zara and Spite want him to think so? And there we'd have our "traitor" companion of the game, this time around. An unwitting traitor - a possessed one.
For all we know, Lucanis's "real" body could be rotting in one of the cells in the Ossuary, bound there somehow - reanimated, made to "look alive" by magic on demand, by Zara, by a magic trinket of some sort... whatever, with Spite in the mix somehow, and Zara controlling it. If this proves true in any way, then my theory from way back then, that the Devs were referring to Lucanis when they said "not that skeleton", when asked if you could romance Manfred, was also correct.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Oct 4, 2024 9:22:08 GMT
Damn, I'm good! Why have I not been tapped by the FBI, CIA... or both, yet? Sherlock Holmes could never. James Bond, who?
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Post by Liepsnele on Oct 4, 2024 9:36:58 GMT
For all we know, Lucanis's "real" body could be rotting in one of the cells in the Ossuary, bound there somehow - reanimated, made to "look alive" by magic on demand, by Zara, by a magic trinket of some sort... whatever, with Spite in the mix somehow, and Zara controlling it. If this proves true in any way, then my theory from way back then, that the Devs were referring to Lucanis when they said "not that skeleton", when asked if you could romance Manfred, was also correct.
I think you and Reznore are onto something Devs did mention we get to romance a skeleton and the closest contender at the moment is Lucanis. It's very possible he died during his torture but no one realised it (Zara could have known... Possibly) because he had a demon/spirit keeping him alive, just like Wynne. So he either has to live with a spirit for the rest of his life or die. Unless Emmrich can bring the dead back to life - it sounds like he's about to do that in the next episode of Vows & Vengeance. Well, we got it all figured out with the limited information there is, and the game is still a month away
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 4, 2024 13:15:48 GMT
I think you and Reznore are onto something I think between the three of us we are getting there. I have to admit the podcast hasn't made me any more confident with respect to Lucanis' condition. I repeat what I mentioned in my post above. Anders used to sometimes suffer from bouts of amnesia after Justice took over (mostly apparent on the rival path). So, Spite could be taking over at times, going out and doing jobs as Lucanis before returning them to base and Lucanis wouldn't remember it.
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Post by Liepsnele on Oct 4, 2024 15:32:21 GMT
I think you and Reznore are onto something I think between the three of us we are getting there. I have to admit the podcast hasn't made me any more confident with respect to Lucanis' condition. I repeat what I mentioned in my post above. Anders used to sometimes suffer from bouts of amnesia after Justice took over (mostly apparent on the rival path). So, Spite could be taking over at times, going out and doing jobs as Lucanis before returning them to base and Lucanis wouldn't remember it. I'm not sure if Lucanis being freed or escaping from his torture chamber to take on some Crow contracts from time to time makes sense. I like the explanation that the podcast is set at least a year before the Veilguard better Hopefully the timeline will be clarified at the end of V&V. This got me wondering though. It would be an intriguing choice if there were two ways to resolve Lucanis condition during the course of the game: we could either help him free himself of Spite's influence completely or have Spite take over. This is pure conjecture but in Inquisition we could push some of the companions into one of the two diverging directions. The consequences might be disastrous though, I'm not sure if Bioware would let us do something so evil to a companion now
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