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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 6, 2024 8:17:04 GMT
I'm not sure if Lucanis being freed or escaping from his torture chamber to take on some Crow contracts from time to time makes sense. I like the explanation that the podcast is set at least a year before the Veilguard better Hopefully the timeline will be clarified at the end of V&V. This got me wondering though. It would be an intriguing choice if there were two ways to resolve Lucanis condition during the course of the game: we could either help him free himself of Spite's influence completely or have Spite take over. This is pure conjecture but in Inquisition we could push some of the companions into one of the two diverging directions. The consequences might be disastrous though, I'm not sure if Bioware would let us do something so evil to a companion now I think he took the original contract to protect Drayden's father a year before the events in the podcast. So, if that was also set a year before Veilguard, that would make his original involvement in 9:50 and the podcast 9:51. Of course, they never really set a date on the events in Tevinter Nights, so far as I can recall, but they did have one on the comic series involving Vaea. She was involved in the official events connected with Varric being made Viscount and this was implied to be immediately after the events of Trespasser in 9:44. Then after freeing Marius and Tessa, they headed north in pursuit of the Orlesian guy with the idol. They arrived in Ventus (Qarinus) just before the attack of the Antaam and saw it fall. So, that would be around 9:45/9:46 at the latest I would asssume. Also the author confirmed that when she appears in Tevinter Nights that was when she was journeying north before the events of Deception. In Three Trees to Midnight, Strife had obtained intelligence that the Antaam were going to attack Antiva next and the Talons were also anticipating this in Eight Little Talons.
At the end of Dark Fortress the mage flees with the idol, whilst Solas watches through an eluvian. He is the same mage who appears in the Mortalitasi's tale in Dread Wolf Take You and is killed by the Dread Wolf. Whether or not the idol actually ended up in Rivain (as per Solas' story) the fact is he confirmed he now had it at the end of Tevinter Nights and was intending proceeding with his ritual. We also had a number of short stories issued since Tevinter Nights suggesting that Lucanis was dead and confirming the Antaam had now invaded Antiva. This would mean that if the events of the podcast were set only a year before Veilguard, which is set in 9:52, the Antaam had already attacked Tevinter and Antiva. Also, Lucanis was missing, presumed dead, unless that was a very late development in the story cycle. It would certainly be helpful if they could issue a timeline at least with regard to the events in the podcast and the comic series the Missing.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Oct 6, 2024 23:34:35 GMT
Found out something else about Lucanis: Six and a half inches and veers slightly to the left. And that's only his off-hand dagger. The main one, I'm not sure, but I hear it can go even deeper and dripping with Crow poison meant to mess up one's insides.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 19, 2024 20:14:55 GMT
Mild spoilers regarding the origin of The Mullet. spite's number #1 fan @spitedellamorte.bsky.social Did Lucanis grow a beard before or after the Ossuary? @marykirby.bsky.social
M Kirby @marykirby.bsky.social He grew it while inside the Ossuary.
goth gay wizard | elaine @ohgaywarden.bsky.social Has he always had the mullet or was that also from the Ossuary? 🥺
M Kirby @marykirby.bsky.social That's from the Ossuary, too. He hasn't exactly had a haircut in a while.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 20, 2024 3:30:55 GMT
spite's number #1 fan @spitedellamorte.bsky.social How does Lucanis like his coffee? Black, tons of sugar, hot and/or, cold? @marykirby.bsky.social
M Kirby @marykirby.bsky.social Black.
virasaysdragons @virasaysdragons.bsky.social Oh man he'd hate how I drink mine 🥲 oat milk and flavor syrup... usually some sort of berry flavored coffee itself
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Frotee @frotee.bsky.social As the next two weeks seem to stretch like years… Heeeyy @marykirby.bsky.social , is Lucanis a sweet or savoury treats kind of guy?
M Kirby @marykirby.bsky.social Sweet, because it goes better with his coffee. Savory, if somehow he is NOT drinking coffee at that moment.
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Post by jennica on Oct 24, 2024 12:35:45 GMT
Someone posted beardless Lucanis on Reddit, so i thought i'd share. He looks so young without a beard Link to the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/1gaybb2/dav_spoilers_i_used_a_no_beard_filter_on_lucanis/
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Someone posted beardless Lucanis on Reddit, so i thought i'd share. He looks so young without a beard Link to the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/1gaybb2/dav_spoilers_i_used_a_no_beard_filter_on_lucanis/ He's in dire need of facial hair.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 24, 2024 14:36:01 GMT
Someone posted beardless Lucanis on Reddit, so i thought i'd share. He looks so young without a beard I've known more than one guy in my life who grew a beard deliberately because it made them look older and, they hoped, sexier. Really deflated the ego of one friend who was growing one, whose brother (who also had a beard) asked me "Do you think beards are sexy?" To which I shrugged and said "Not really" and my friend's response was "I better shave it off then." It was only then that I realised that perhaps he wanted to be more than a friend. I was really slow on the uptake when I was young.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 24, 2024 14:55:49 GMT
Someone posted beardless Lucanis on Reddit, so i thought i'd share. He looks so young without a beard I've known more than one guy in my life who grew a beard deliberately because it made them look older and, they hoped, sexier. Really deflated the ego of one friend who was growing one, whose brother (who also had a beard) asked me "Do you think beards are sexy?" To which I shrugged and said "Not really" and my friend's response was "I better shave it off then." It was only then that I realised that perhaps he wanted to be more than a friend. I was really slow on the uptake when I was young. In my case, I realllllllllly don't like messy, unkempt beards. I recall they were trendy fairly recently and even big Hollywood stars had unwashed shaggy dogs on their faces - and I just could not understand it. A nice, short well-styled beard (or stubble) like Lucanis has? I think those can be very attractive, so long as they fit the face (similar to haircuts, not everyone has a face for this or that style) and are taken a good care of.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 25, 2024 18:26:07 GMT
Where I started: Harding is so awesome glad she's a companion! Omg the novelty of a dwarf romance, too! My Rook is going to def. romance her
Where I'm at now: Cool I read all the Lucanis stuff in Tevinter Nights and watched all the preview footage, now I know who he is. You know, I think I want to make a Mourn Watch Death Caller Rook... wait a minute, my Rook might be a gregarious, charming death mage who tries to avoid needless deaths... Lucanis is an introverted but blunt contract killer specialized in mage removal who's possessed by a demon... THE CLASSIC ANGSTY, UNLIKELY, (probably) DOOMED DA ROMANCE I NEVER ACTUALLY PICKED BEFORE* IS STARING ME RIGHT IN THE FACE. AND I CAN'T RESIST. FOR DRAMA. AND MAYHEM.
I'm hoping being a Mourn Watcher will give me unique dialogue for Lucanis' condition. "I can fix him" but metaphysically.
That's where I'm at now. But you know, best laid (rp) plans...
*Well there was my Surana and King Alistair, but that didn't feel as tragic because it was a deliberate choice they both made well ahead of time. There was time to tie up loose ends somewhat.
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Post by TabithaTH on Oct 25, 2024 18:34:51 GMT
I have a world state like that. It's titled Tragic Love:
Morrigan romancing a city elf warden who decided against the DR, instead sacrificing himself to end the blight.
Hawke romancing Anders, only to be betrayed and have to kill him.
My Qunari Inquisitor who romanced Cassandra, only for her to become Devine. He kept the Inquisition, so they are rarely apart, yet they can never truly be together.
I’m just waiting to learn which of the new companions would fit as a romance option for such a world state.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 26, 2024 4:33:44 GMT
I have a weird obsession with relationships that end poorly. Something something Tolstoy quote here. Like Sera romance is one of my favorites, but mostly when it’s with Lavellan and ends in a horrible break up. (Honestly it’s some of the most realistic break up writing in all three games imo, that fight and its fall out get me every time.)
I also have weird obsession with multiple Morrigan runs that end in disaster. Like I love you babe, sorry, not sure how this keeps happening. Just call it Desperate Housewives: Dragon Age edition. I think the most memorable one was probably where my Cousland dated her and then dumped her for Anora and made Morrigan bang Anora’s dad. No wonder she distrusts men: I’m the problem, it’s me. (Morrigan’s Version.)
I’m still more interested in Davrin and Emmrich currently. But if the angst is top notch, I could certainly be persuaded otherwise. I will be watching Lucanis with great interest.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 9:59:36 GMT
*Well there was my Surana and King Alistair, but that didn't feel as tragic because it was a deliberate choice they both made well ahead of time. There was time to tie up loose ends somewhat. My Surana didn't make him king. He didn't want it, she could definitely never be queen, so we both stayed in the Wardens. Only problem with that is what happened in DAI, so I've never used that world state because I wasn't about to make that choice between Alistair and Hawke, although after he gave my Hawke the Sacred Heart amulet and said it belonged to the "love of my life", if it had been possible for Hawke to offer to sacrifice themselves for his sake rather than some faux responsibility for Corypheus, I'd have been okay with it. Nevertheless, it still seemed a waste to me to sacrifice Hawke who still had many useful years ahead of them, in place of a Warden who was likely not far from their Calling and would definitely have a much worse life expectancy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 10:08:34 GMT
Like Sera romance is one of my favorites, but mostly when it’s with Lavellan and ends in a horrible break up. (Honestly it’s some of the most realistic break up writing in all three games imo, that fight and its fall out get me every time.) The thing is about that romance, I couldn't understand them starting it in the first place if Lavellan was still dedicated to her culture as a Dalish. Then the actual reason for the breakup was silly because if anything Lavellan was acknowledging the truth about their gods murdering Mythal (which was a pretty big deal) if she accepted what Abelas said as true, whereas Sera was claiming it was all lies because they were a bunch of demons. It would have made sense if the dialogue was the other way round, so Lavellan was in denial and Sera was insisting it was the truth. We have that conversation regardless, it just doesn't result in a break up if you are not in a relationship but just Sera calling my Lavellan stupid for believing it. Some people are never satisfied. Sera was right about one thing, though. You can't really reconcile Chantry beliefs with everything we learnt in DAI and Trespasser. I'll give her that one. However, her response was to go into full denial mode. To be honest, I couldn't understand why the other Chantry stalwarts didn't go into meltdown at some point, so I assume they had the same attitude as Sera but just weren't as vocal about it. Still, when I said I believed in the elven gods and not the Maker, it was Cassandra who said "couldn't you make room for just one more?" Huh? I thought it was the Chantry who said there was only one and the others were all false. Still, I suppose Solas would say they were right about that, just not for the right reasons.
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Post by illuminated11 on Oct 26, 2024 10:55:04 GMT
Like Sera romance is one of my favorites, but mostly when it’s with Lavellan and ends in a horrible break up. (Honestly it’s some of the most realistic break up writing in all three games imo, that fight and its fall out get me every time.) The thing is about that romance, I couldn't understand them starting it in the first place if Lavellan was still dedicated to her culture as a Dalish. Then the actual reason for the breakup was silly because if anything Lavellan was acknowledging the truth about their gods murdering Mythal (which was a pretty big deal) if she accepted what Abelas said as true, whereas Sera was claiming it was all lies because they were a bunch of demons. It would have made sense if the dialogue was the other way round, so Lavellan was in denial and Sera was insisting it was the truth. We have that conversation regardless, it just doesn't result in a break up if you are not in a relationship but just Sera calling my Lavellan stupid for believing it. Some people are never satisfied. Sera was right about one thing, though. You can't really reconcile Chantry beliefs with everything we learnt in DAI and Trespasser. I'll give her that one. However, her response was to go into full denial mode. To be honest, I couldn't understand why the other Chantry stalwarts didn't go into meltdown at some point, so I assume they had the same attitude as Sera but just weren't as vocal about it. Still, when I said I believed in the elven gods and not the Maker, it was Cassandra who said "couldn't you make room for just one more?" Huh? I thought it was the Chantry who said there was only one and the others were all false. Still, I suppose Solas would say they were right about that, just not for the right reasons. I’ll put this in spoilers since it’s boring personal roleplay, but my Lavellan for that playthrough… Was not terribly invested in Dalish culture. She was mostly a loner hunter who kept to herself in her clan, with a snide, apathetic sense of humor. Of course, she found the Chantry to be even more bullshit for obvious reasons and gravitated toward Sera as a result, as she appreciated how much Sera didn’t take things seriously. As the story progressed and Lavellan saw more and more first hand signs of elven oppression at the hands of the Orlesians (and Orlesian Chantry) as well as more signs of ancient Elvish past, she went through her own little crisis with of faith. I mean arguably every Andrastian in the game is going through a crisis of faith in some form, although it manifests differently depending on the personality. Bring Cass to Mythal’s temple if you want to watch her just refuse to acknowledge anything about it, haha.
Anyway, long story short, my Lavellan started out not caring much but by the end cared quite a lot about everything, and it led to explosive end with Sera. But yes, it’s possible to have similar type of argument even if you’re not in a relationship. It just didn’t hit quite as hard because romance run is one of few times I manage to get cookie scene, so Sera is very open and vulnerable in ways you don’t always see.
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Post by jennica on Oct 26, 2024 13:39:43 GMT
UniFadewalker posted this
I really wonder what he means by "fuck up". Being completely locked out of it?
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Post by Reznore on Oct 26, 2024 13:45:20 GMT
UniFadewalker posted this I really wonder what he means by "fuck up". Being completely locked out of it? Well Judas. I vote for cousin Judas shenanigans.
I imagine stuff like if you kill cousin Judas, Antivan Wesley might not forgive you or at least do forgive you but don't wanna sleep with someone who killed one of his family member.
Or if you don't manage to have enough approval past a certain point you're locked out of romance. He seems quite vengeful.
Edit: his writer did write it's the messiest romance of all. Lucanis romance is a dumpster fire type of deal. The only one like that.
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Post by jennica on Oct 26, 2024 13:59:43 GMT
UniFadewalker posted this I really wonder what he means by "fuck up". Being completely locked out of it? Well Judas. I vote for cousin Judas shenanigans.
I imagine stuff like if you kill cousin Judas, Antivan Wesley might not forgive you or at least do forgive you but don't wanna sleep with someone who killed one of his family member.
Or if you don't manage to have enough approval past a certain point you're locked out of romance. He seems quite vengeful.
Edit: his writer did write it's the messiest romance of all. Lucanis romance is a dumpster fire type of deal. The only one like that. It also might something to do with Spite. Maybe due to some of our choices Lucanis will get possessed entirely?
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Post by Reznore on Oct 26, 2024 14:07:42 GMT
Well Judas. I vote for cousin Judas shenanigans.
I imagine stuff like if you kill cousin Judas, Antivan Wesley might not forgive you or at least do forgive you but don't wanna sleep with someone who killed one of his family member.
Or if you don't manage to have enough approval past a certain point you're locked out of romance. He seems quite vengeful.
Edit: his writer did write it's the messiest romance of all. Lucanis romance is a dumpster fire type of deal. The only one like that. It also might something to do with Spite. Maybe due to some of our choices Lucanis will get possessed entirely? I thought about it. But Unifade seems sensible and quite goodie two shoes so not sure he'd go for "vengeance" angle. But then again it might happen either way. Don't know.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 26, 2024 14:19:34 GMT
Lol shit.
I don't mind messing it up. But I don't want to mess it up early!
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 14:34:20 GMT
It also might something to do with Spite. Maybe due to some of our choices Lucanis will get possessed entirely? I thought about it. But Unifade seems sensible and quite goodie two shoes so not sure he'd go for "vengeance" angle. But then again it might happen either way. Don't know. It may be that they will trip you up with some sort of decision that makes absolutely no sense from a logical perspective but it is the only way to keep the romance alive. Like I was saying elsewhere about the Sera romance, where you have to deny reality or lie about how you really feel to keep it alive after the Temple of Mythal. Now I never romanced Sera but had I done so there is no way I would deny the truth just to keep her relationship going. So, it may be something similar with Lucanis.
I have to admit that having a demon called Spite messing with his mind was always going to be a potential problem. It is literally there in the name that it will react in a perverse way just to Spite you even if Lucanis wouldn't feel that way without the demon influencing him. To be honest, if it is not possible to exorcise the demon or at least change its nature through your influence, I'm not sure whether the romance was ever going to end up positively. Throw in the shit show that involves his Crow family politics and you really are on a hiding to nothing.
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Post by jennica on Oct 26, 2024 14:41:01 GMT
It also might something to do with Spite. Maybe due to some of our choices Lucanis will get possessed entirely? I thought about it. But Unifade seems sensible and quite goodie two shoes so not sure he'd go for "vengeance" angle. But then again it might happen either way. Don't know. I don't think it will be possible to just straight up let Spite possess Lucanis, but maybe there are certain not so obvious choice(s) that may lead to him getting possessed?
You're probably right tho and it's either due to his apporval being low or because of Illario.
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Post by jennica on Oct 26, 2024 14:44:46 GMT
I thought about it. But Unifade seems sensible and quite goodie two shoes so not sure he'd go for "vengeance" angle. But then again it might happen either way. Don't know. It may be that they will trip you up with some sort of decision that makes absolutely no sense from a logical perspective but it is the only way to keep the romance alive. Like I was saying elsewhere about the Sera romance, where you have to deny reality or lie about how you really feel to keep it alive after the Temple of Mythal. Now I never romanced Sera but had I done so there is no way I would deny the truth just to keep her relationship going. So, it may be something similar with Lucanis.
I have to admit that having a demon called Spite messing with his mind was always going to be a potential problem. It is literally there in the name that it will react in a perverse way just to Spite you even if Lucanis wouldn't feel that way without the demon influencing him. To be honest, if it is not possible to exorcise the demon or at least change its nature through your influence, I'm not sure whether the romance was ever going to end up positively. Throw in the shit show that involves his Crow family politics and you really are on a hiding to nothing. I agree with you about Spite and how it can influence Lucanis, but i think it will be possible for Lucanis to have relatively happy ending. Anders, after all, exists.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 14:54:21 GMT
I agree with you about Spite and how it can influence Lucanis, but i think it will be possible for Lucanis to have relatively happy ending. Anders, after all, exists. The thing was that Justice was a spirit that got twisted into vengeance by Anders - or at least that is what Anders seemed to believe. There were some decent motives there to begin with even if they got perverted into something less admirable later. The problem with Spite is that there is nothing about the emotion that you can identify with except in a very negative way. It is vindictive and petty, which of course seems exactly what Lucanis wasn't to begin with but Zara forced the demon on him and basically it was created through her spite. That's why in an earlier post I was trying to figure out what its opposite might be that it could revert to, if we believe Solas that all demons were originally spirits where their original purpose became twisted into something reprehensible. So, if Spite is really a victim of Zara as much as Lucanis is, then it would be a worthwhile endeavour trying to revert it back to what it was before. I just wonder what that would be.
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Post by jennica on Oct 26, 2024 15:07:31 GMT
I agree with you about Spite and how it can influence Lucanis, but i think it will be possible for Lucanis to have relatively happy ending. Anders, after all, exists. The thing was that Justice was a spirit that got twisted into vengeance by Anders - or at least that is what Anders seemed to believe. There were some decent motives there to begin with even if they got perverted into something less admirable later. The problem with Spite is that there is nothing about the emotion that you can identify with except in a very negative way. It is vindictive and petty, which of course seems exactly what Lucanis wasn't to begin with but Zara forced the demon on him and basically it was created through her spite. That's why in an earlier post I was trying to figure out what its opposite might be that it could revert to, if we believe Solas that all demons were originally spirits where their original purpose became twisted into something reprehensible. So, if Spite is really a victim of Zara as much as Lucanis is, then it would be a worthwhile endeavour trying to revert it back to what it was before. I just wonder what that would be. Kindness? Forgiveness? Empathy?
And now that i think about it, maybe it will be possible to cure him from possession, but it will require to do some very hard choice from moral perspective? Like, maybe someone needs to die for that. And if you do this choice for him, Lucanis will get mad at you. Sorry, my imagination are running wild
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