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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 26, 2024 15:35:42 GMT
And here I was thinking it was just something 'simple' like saving Minrathous over Treviso.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 17:07:19 GMT
And here I was thinking it was just something 'simple' like saving Minrathous over Treviso. It is possible that it could still be related to that but it seems doubtful. There was a clue related to the entry for Neve which seemed to be connected with that decision, where it said her romance/friendship would just proceed more slowly as a result. However, perhaps it could be different for Lucanis and it ruins the romance altogether. In view of the shock of the player, though, it does seem likely to be related to something you would not have expected. May be they had even saved Treviso so thought it was just plain sailing from then on and then shit happened.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 17:15:07 GMT
The thing was that Justice was a spirit that got twisted into vengeance by Anders - or at least that is what Anders seemed to believe. There were some decent motives there to begin with even if they got perverted into something less admirable later.
The problem with Spite is that there is nothing about the emotion that you can identify with except in a very negative way. It is vindictive and petty, which of course seems exactly what Lucanis wasn't to begin with but Zara forced the demon on him and basically it was created through her spite. That's why in an earlier post I was trying to figure out what its opposite might be that it could revert to, if we believe Solas that all demons were originally spirits where their original purpose became twisted into something reprehensible. So, if Spite is really a victim of Zara as much as Lucanis is, then it would be a worthwhile endeavour trying to revert it back to what it was before. I just wonder what that would be.
Kindness? Forgiveness? Empathy?
And now that i think about it, maybe it will be possible to cure him from possession, but it will require to do some very hard choice from moral perspective? Like, maybe someone needs to die for that. And if you do this choice for him, Lucanis will get mad at you. Sorry, my imagination are running wild I think you are on the right lines but because it is going from negative to positive, it is probably harder to achieve. I think it is easier to corrupt a spirit than the other way round. However, we do have Cole as an example of a spirit that went from compassion to something darker (probably despair or something similar) and then back again by the time we first meet him in DAI, so it is possible, and then we reinforced his nature during his personal quest if we keep him as a spirit.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 26, 2024 17:22:28 GMT
Rook puts milk and sugar in their coffee. Lucanis "Sorry Love but I don't think we can go on like this *breaksup*"
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2024 17:26:28 GMT
Rook puts milk and sugar in their coffee. Lucanis "Sorry Love but I don't think we can go on like this *breaksup*" Or says: "I prefer tea". Or worse still, criticises his culinary skills, even making a really bad joke "are you trying to poison me?"
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Post by Reznore on Oct 26, 2024 17:28:03 GMT
Rook puts milk and sugar in their coffee. Lucanis "Sorry Love but I don't think we can go on like this *breaksup*" Or says: "I prefer tea". Or worse still, criticises his culinary skills. Lucanis "did you enjoy the pasta I made last night?" Rook "The noddles were a bit overcooked but it was alright." Lucanis "Prepare to die!"
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 26, 2024 17:31:58 GMT
Rook puts milk and sugar in their coffee. Lucanis "Sorry Love but I don't think we can go on like this *breaksup*" No need to personally attack me and my Rook
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Post by jennica on Oct 26, 2024 17:34:47 GMT
Rook puts milk and sugar in their coffee. Lucanis "Sorry Love but I don't think we can go on like this *breaksup*" Is it a bad thing? Sorry, i'm not a coffee person, but when i drink it, i add milk and sugar.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 26, 2024 17:41:01 GMT
Rook puts milk and sugar in their coffee. Lucanis "Sorry Love but I don't think we can go on like this *breaksup*" Is it a bad thing? Sorry, i'm not a coffee person, but when i drink it, i add milk and sugar. Your coffee should be dark and bitter, and make you dark and bitter first thing in the morning. That's the only true way to drink coffee.
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Post by jennica on Oct 26, 2024 18:50:38 GMT
Is it a bad thing? Sorry, i'm not a coffee person, but when i drink it, i add milk and sugar. Your coffee should be dark and bitter, and make you dark and bitter first thing in the morning. That's the only true way to drink coffee. Lucanis' life is already dark and bitter, i think he needs more sugar in it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 27, 2024 7:35:23 GMT
Is it a bad thing? Sorry, i'm not a coffee person, but when i drink it, i add milk and sugar. Your coffee should be dark and bitter, and make you dark and bitter first thing in the morning. That's the only true way to drink coffee. Fascinating fact, in some parts of the world they definitely don't put milk and sugar in their coffee. Think traditional Turkish coffee and onwards along the Silk Road. Years ago I was in Soviet Central Asia (now Uzbekistan) and we ordered coffee. It came black and so strong you could practically stand you spoon up in it. It was a bit much so after that we stuck to tea (also without milk or sugar but not quite as overpowering). It was a part of the old Soviet Union that was originally Muslim so there were no pubs or bars, only tea houses out in the country. The only alcoholic beverages were in the foreign currency bars of the hotels. This was the case even in the Russian/European part of the Union because at that time they were going through a prohibition period where they tried to stop the locals drinking alcohol as they had a bit of a alcoholics problem. Of course, it didn't work because the poorer citizens just brewed their own illicit bootleg liquor at home (which was stronger and often deadly), whilst the richer ones frequented the foreign currency bars. Which makes me wonder, and I may have asked this before, but do you think Lucanis steers clear of alcohol because he wants to keep a clear head or because of Spite (or both)?
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Post by Reznore on Oct 27, 2024 7:52:34 GMT
Which makes me wonder, and I may have asked this before, but do you think Lucanis steers clear of alcohol because he wants to keep a clear head or because of Spite (or both)? There's no booze in the Lighthouse ? I have no idea if Lucanis drinks or not, I mean wine with his dinner not vodka in his morning cofffee. But I imagine you don't wanna be an assassin drunkard, that's just a way to mess up a contract and end up dead quick. As for Spite, Lucanis seems to be a spiteful little man. it sounds like him and Spite were agreeing about having revenge on the guy who trapped them.
When the group talks about Solas memory I think Lucanis is already looking for an angle to use Solas regret against him etc..
Before Weisshaupt Rook can tell Lucanis to make the gods pay, and he seems on board.
It's like they got an invisible get along shirt. And from what we saw Spite seems to be the more social one of the two, it seems excited when folks are around and wants to interact and Lucanis not so much.
I guess we'll see another angle in his personal quest, if his cousin turns out to be an ass. I can imagine Spite being all murder knife happy and this time Lucanis would take a step back.
We know the spirit/demon state is quite mutable and is deeply influenced by their interaction/environment. But I'm not sure we can get rid of Spite, because gameplay wise it's there in combat and for environmental stuff. They could block off one of his talent tree I suppose.
We shall see where the devs will be going with this.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 27, 2024 8:07:59 GMT
There's no booze in the Lighthouse ? They say you can hang out and drink coffee with him in Treviso. That would suggest a bit of casual down time, so possible to have a small drink if he wished. Antiva makes very good wine. It is famous for it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the main thing that Josephine's family traded in to Orlais. So, the fact he only seems to drink coffee even when relaxing in Treviso makes me think that perhaps he avoids alcohol. Unless, of course, the Antaam have banned the sale of alcohol in the city.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 27, 2024 8:36:43 GMT
There's no booze in the Lighthouse ? They say you can hang out and drink coffee with him in Treviso. That would suggest a bit of casual down time, so possible to have a small drink if he wished. Antiva makes very good wine. It is famous for it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the main thing that Josephine's family traded in to Orlais. So, the fact he only seems to drink coffee even when relaxing in Treviso makes me think that perhaps he avoids alcohol. Unless, of course, the Antaam have banned the sale of alcohol in the city. No idea. He's a coffee guy, some people drinks coffee all day long. He doesn't strike me as a let's grab a beer type of person. Grabbing a coffee with a friend doesn't mean you never drink though.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 27, 2024 9:53:56 GMT
Talk of Lucanis' beard being a late development addition.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 27, 2024 9:55:39 GMT
Talk of Lucanis' beard being a late development addition. Excuse me ? He looks 12 and like he still has baby fat without a beard. He's 35. All praise the beard !
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 27, 2024 10:10:36 GMT
Talk of Lucanis' beard being a late development addition. Excuse me ? He looks 12 and like he still has baby fat without a beard. He's 35. All praise the beard ! As I've previously said, some guys do grow beards deliberately to look older. However, we know this was a late addition with him because he actually jokes with Illario that if his face becomes too well known, he will grow a beard. That would have been 5-6 years previously. So, at that time it would seem, around age 30, he looked like he does without the beard. May be it was helpful because he looked too young and innocent to be a deadly killer. Some families also look young for their age. All the members of my immediate family did. This allowed us to maintain the illusion of being younger than we are, until the grey hairs kick in. However, it was less helpful during my twenties when people still assumed I was in my mid teens, including a policeman who asked me if I was old enough to drive my car. Mind you, I did enjoy his embarrassment when he discovered I was. That was priceless.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 27, 2024 10:36:22 GMT
Excuse me ? He looks 12 and like he still has baby fat without a beard. He's 35. All praise the beard ! As I've previously said, some guys do grow beards deliberately to look older. However, we know this was a late addition with him because he actually jokes with Illario that if his face becomes too well known, he will grow a beard. That would have been 5-6 years previously. So, at that time it would seem, around age 30, he looked like he does without the beard. May be it was helpful because he looked too young and innocent to be a deadly killer. Some families also look young for their age. All the members of my immediate family did. This allowed us to maintain the illusion of being younger than we are, until the grey hairs kick in. However, it was less helpful during my twenties when people still assumed I was in my mid teens, including a policeman who asked me if I was old enough to drive my car. Mind you, I did enjoy his embarrassment when he discovered I was. That was priceless. Tell me about it, I'm a tiny woman ...I'm 41. I don't wear a lot of make up and I got a physical job so I often wear sporty stuff. Like hoodies and leggins and sneakers. I got a 28 years old collegue that called me "the new youngster " and I was like "err I'm way older than you." Or I go to a new job, and people think i'm send from some school and am I older than 16 so can I legally do that? The best was a 26 years old who was flirting with me and went in full horrified "NO,no ,no" mode when I told him how old I was. About grey hair, just dye it like your life depends on it. I don't look that young though but it's wild how some people can tell my age and some are extremely confused. Either way, some guys also grew beard to hide features, a weak chin, sagging skin when older, etc...I'm kinda jealous of beard.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 27, 2024 15:37:05 GMT
They could block off one of his talent tree I suppose. It's funny you should say this, but I noticed on one of the screen shots of Lucanis' development tree around the Weisshaupt quest he did have an entire branch of his development blocked off. Now I've assumed that is connected with the choice over Treviso and just as Neve has her healing abilities turned off if you abandon docktown, I presume a similar thing happens with Lucanis except it isn't healing that is affected. Also, there were other smaller paths that were blocked off that could relate to that decision. This was an entire branch. So, it could be that it relates to some other decision during Act 1 on his personal quest and it shuts off some of the spirit abilities available to him. Whether that is to do with you changing the nature of Spite or enhancing them to the detriment of some other ability was not clear because it was a distant shot, so no detail available as to what had been lost.
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Post by merane on Oct 30, 2024 0:18:07 GMT
I also prefer it with a beard. I think that many people, probably because of television and the media, with stereotypes and all that, forget that we actually age more slowly and that gray hair has nothing to do with aging - at 30 you can be all gray. Especially in our time with all this food available and a less exhausting life for the body. Well it is also true that not everyone is genetically equal and some are luckier in that regard. I also look much younger, like my former colleagues, you must be 24, right? Add 10 and you will have your answer. Poor babies - they are around 20 - 23 years old, completely shocked . I also do not drink coffee except to survive a day of work and always sweet - or it must be very good coffee, not the kind you have at work.
And here is the video that was the origin of this post, after this digression : Lucanis romance teaser by Kala
The scene should start around 1:41 for those who can't wait .
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2024 8:34:14 GMT
About the romances generally: Would just mention that one of the reviewers said you can flirt with everyone and no one objects but there is a point where you have to commit to one person and after that there is no turning back or ending it and taking up with someone else. Also, no one comments on it either, at least not from the point of view that "Hey, weren't you making moves on me just a short time ago?" Also, whilst there is that big decision that involves Neve and Lucanis which according to the codex could mean your romance advances more slowly, it doesn't impact on it that much and definitely won't end it. Now about Lucanis and a couple of bits of information that I picked up from one review concerning his condition: The team are sitting round a table having a debrief after a major mission and Emmrich comments that Lucanis missed an opportunity to finish the fight probably because of the conflict in his mind with Spite. Essentially, it would seem Spite may be sabotaging his skill as an assassin. Now that would make sense because it would impact on both his reputation and self esteem, which would be a really spiteful thing to do. So, it is something he needs to deal with before they take on the gods again.
There is also another scene, and I couldn't tell if it was before or after this, where Spite seems to have completely taken over Lucanis and is trying to leave the Lighthouse. Taash and Harding are trying to prevent this. Then Rook turns up and Harding explains what is going on. That was all that was shown but it does seem to indicate that ultimately there will come a crisis point in Lucanis' relationship with Spite. Perhaps that is when Rook has to help Lucanis confront the person who originally did that to him in order to either exorcise Spite or do something to control him.
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Post by Liepsnele on Oct 31, 2024 16:03:10 GMT
Can't wait to get home and finally play this game. See you on the other side my fellow Lucanis romancers. Please post as many pictures as you can under spoiler tags of course
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 31, 2024 18:59:40 GMT
So from what I can tell, Lucanis survives if you reinforce his connection with Spite. Apparently his possession is a good thing. Don't know if Spite turns into something else or they just bond anyway. I'll await further details from people who experience the whole personal saga.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Nov 2, 2024 4:03:37 GMT
So, I've been to the Lighthouse's pantry. SOON (tm) 🍆
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Post by smilesja on Nov 2, 2024 4:25:01 GMT
I have to admit Lucanis has definitely grown on me in ways that I did not expect. He's a professional killer but definitely standards. I like him a lot better than Zeveran lol.
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