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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 4, 2024 22:47:33 GMT
if we stretch it then virtually ninety percent of TV and movie production end on cliffhangers then. That's not stretching it, that's what it is. I'm not going to keep going on about it though. Google what cliffhanger is, copy and paste it, and show me that I'm wrong. Exactl ywhic his hopefull ywhat we'er doing in Veilguard .Cleaning up afte rSola sand likely deciding his fate. I'll likel ywait and se eho wth estor yplays ou tbefoe rdeciding on all tha tthough wit hm yInquisitor's an dRooks as dependin gon their personalities they may reach different conclusions.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2024 1:51:21 GMT
Trespasser is very vague. There is a strong plot hook for a second game...that happens with a new character that we knew nothing about, in a time frame we knew nothing about other then being at some point years in the future. As it turned out ten years. That's a long time to be hanging off a cliff and keep in mind the conflict in both Inquisition and trespasser had already been resolved. The conflict in Trespasser isn't resolved at all - at its end we literally begin a new mission. The "character we know nothing about" is recruited - indirectly or no - by a character leading the effort to do something about a threat they learn about in the last hour or so of the DLC. And the first hour of DAVe basically starts where Trespasser has ended, storyline-wise: chasing after Solas, in attempt to do something about his plans. 10 years or no, even I didn't expect such a direct follow-up. Yet here we are. ALL INQUISITORS end this dialogue with "now excuse me, I have the world to save - again". And all of them get the scene in the basement, where they're shown plotting their new "adventure". That's not true though, fundamentally. "My own adventuring days may be done." -Kara Trevelyan. And the scene in the basement is not plotting their new adventure but them saying they are going to have to find someone else to go off on an adventure for them to defeat the Dreadwolf. You might have a point if BioWare had intended the next game, or released a DLC, to show the Inquisitor going around adventuring to find a new protag...but that was pretty clearly not going to happen and not how BioWare structures their games. Looking good. I do have some questions with their word choice on transmog. Like it sounds like something I have been asking for to give armor stats but I have the feeling they mean in just the typical way transmog usually works.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 5, 2024 3:23:59 GMT
I like the transmog system, that’s always been a bit of an issue as I prioritize looks over stats and style over substance (yep, I’m superficial xD). But I’m hoping for a wide variety of leewks not too restricted to faction, class and etc. We’ll see how that shapes up… for now I’m wondering if Rook always wears a cape - all Rooks (IIRC) shown so far have one. Nothing against capes btw (especially if they don’t clip with long hair uhul), just curious.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 5, 2024 7:30:36 GMT
"My own adventuring days may be done." -Kara Trevelyan. Your Video miss the ending after the sliders. 22:20 We will save our friend from himself ... if we can.
And the scene in the basement is not plotting their new adventure but them saying they are going to have to find someone else to go off on an adventure for them to defeat the Dreadwolf. You might have a point if BioWare had intended the next game, or released a DLC, to show the Inquisitor going around adventuring to find a new protag...but that was pretty clearly not going to happen and not how BioWare structures their games.
That isn't how i see the scene. The inquisitor feel responseble for Solas like Hawk felt. He let someone run the Errands and get support, But at the end the inquisitor will be their to deal with Solas. The Inquisition will be in the shadow, but will be help us when ever we need them. The inquisitor is the planing head (no retirement).
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 7:34:34 GMT
Trespasser is very vague. There is a strong plot hook for a second game...that happens with a new character that we knew nothing about, in a time frame we knew nothing about other then being at some point years in the future. As it turned out ten years. That's a long time to be hanging off a cliff and keep in mind the conflict in both Inquisition and trespasser had already been resolved. The conflict in Trespasser isn't resolved at all - at its end we literally begin a new mission. The "character we know nothing about" is recruited - indirectly or no - by a character leading the effort to do something about a threat they learn about in the last hour or so of the DLC. And the first hour of DAVe basically starts where Trespasser has ended, storyline-wise: chasing after Solas, in attempt to do something about his plans. 10 years or no, even I didn't expect such a direct follow-up. Yet here we are. I can't seem to find the links now but I seem to recall we had a lot of arguments a few years back concerning the potential return of the Inquisitor and how we interpreted the outcome of Trespasser compared with what the Devs maintained had been their aim. Just to remind you. I'm pretty sure it was John Epler, but certainly a main person on the team, who claimed that the aim of Trespasser was to tie off the Inquisitor's story. I always maintained this was an epic failure unless he simply meant "as the leader of a powerful Thedas wide organisation", so effectively they were no longer the Lord Inquisitor of Thedas because the organisation they had led was no more, either having been disbanded or reduced in size to become the Divine's private army. However, if it meant that PC would no longer involved going forward the narrative didn't make sense. So, we started discussing the possibility of having two protagonists going forward, a major and a minor. So, when I saw that recent reply from John Epler I felt vindicated. Trespasser absolutely did not end the (former) Inquisitor's role in the story. They may not be active in the field in the same way. That is now Rook's role but they will have a major part to play in the narrative. So, I was not crazy or stupid to think that.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2024 7:35:10 GMT
"My own adventuring days may be done." -Kara Trevelyan. Your Video miss the ending after the sliders. 22:20 We will save our friend from himself ... if we can. It did but I also addressed those comments to Tea already. IMO at least that line does not mean that the Inquisitor is going to personally get involved in the next games storyline, ergo Tresspasser did not end on a cliffhanger since its a brand new storyline with a new protagonist, entirely seperate conflict, set many years after the events of the DLC.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2024 7:37:19 GMT
Trespasser is very vague. There is a strong plot hook for a second game...that happens with a new character that we knew nothing about, in a time frame we knew nothing about other then being at some point years in the future. As it turned out ten years. That's a long time to be hanging off a cliff and keep in mind the conflict in both Inquisition and trespasser had already been resolved. The conflict in Trespasser isn't resolved at all - at its end we literally begin a new mission. The "character we know nothing about" is recruited - indirectly or no - by a character leading the effort to do something about a threat they learn about in the last hour or so of the DLC. And the first hour of DAVe basically starts where Trespasser has ended, storyline-wise: chasing after Solas, in attempt to do something about his plans. 10 years or no, even I didn't expect such a direct follow-up. Yet here we are. I can't seem to find the links now but I seem to recall we had a lot of arguments a few years back concerning the potential return of the Inquisitor and how we interpreted the outcome of Trespasser compared with what the Devs maintained had been their aim. Just to remind you. I'm pretty sure it was John Epler, but certainly a main person on the team, who claimed that the aim of Trespasser was to tie off the Inquisitor's story. I always maintained this was an epic failure unless he simply meant "as the leader of a powerful Thedas wide organisation", so effectively they were no longer the Lord Inquisitor of Thedas because the organisation they had led was no more, either having been disbanded or reduced in size to become the Divine's private army. However, if it meant that PC would no longer involved going forward the narrative didn't make sense. So, we started discussing the possibility of having two protagonists going forward, a major and a minor. So, when I saw that recent reply from John Epler I felt vindicated. Trespasser absolutely did not end the (former) Inquisitor's role in the story. They may not be active in the field in the same way. That is now Rook's role but they will have a major part to play in the narrative. So, I was not crazy or stupid to think that. Its really a matter of degree. Tresspasser did end the Inquisitor's story involvement as a main protagonist/ driving force of the Dragon Age's narrative...just like Dragon Age Origins and Witch Hunt ended the Hero of Ferelden's involvement in the story as a protagonist or driving force. Does not mean they can't pop up in cameos or guest appearances here and there or doing their own thing.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 5, 2024 7:43:12 GMT
Your Video miss the ending after the sliders. 22:20 We will save our friend from himself ... if we can. It did but I also addressed those comments to Tea already. IMO at least that line does not mean that the Inquisitor is going to personally get involved in the next games storyline, ergo Tresspasser did not end on a cliffhanger since its a brand new storyline with a new protagonist, entirely seperate conflict, set many years after the events of the DLC. I have edit my comment already. please read again.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 5, 2024 7:44:49 GMT
Trespasser is very vague. There is a strong plot hook for a second game...that happens with a new character that we knew nothing about, in a time frame we knew nothing about other then being at some point years in the future. As it turned out ten years. That's a long time to be hanging off a cliff and keep in mind the conflict in both Inquisition and trespasser had already been resolved. The conflict in Trespasser isn't resolved at all - at its end we literally begin a new mission. The "character we know nothing about" is recruited - indirectly or no - by a character leading the effort to do something about a threat they learn about in the last hour or so of the DLC. And the first hour of DAVe basically starts where Trespasser has ended, storyline-wise: chasing after Solas, in attempt to do something about his plans. 10 years or no, even I didn't expect such a direct follow-up. Yet here we are. I can't seem to find the links now but I seem to recall we had a lot of arguments a few years back concerning the potential return of the Inquisitor and how we interpreted the outcome of Trespasser compared with what the Devs maintained had been their aim. Just to remind you. I'm pretty sure it was John Epler, but certainly a main person on the team, who claimed that the aim of Trespasser was to tie off the Inquisitor's story. I always maintained this was an epic failure unless he simply meant "as the leader of a powerful Thedas wide organisation", so effectively they were no longer the Lord Inquisitor of Thedas because the organisation they had led was no more, either having been disbanded or reduced in size to become the Divine's private army. However, if it meant that PC would no longer involved going forward the narrative didn't make sense. So, we started discussing the possibility of having two protagonists going forward, a major and a minor. So, when I saw that recent reply from John Epler I felt vindicated. Trespasser absolutely did not end the (former) Inquisitor's role in the story. They may not be active in the field in the same way. That is now Rook's role but they will have a major part to play in the narrative. So, I was not crazy or stupid to think that. Unless we get to actually play and control the Inquisitor, that recent comment means nothing. Trespasser still undid the Inquisitor’s story and then tossed them away like trash, being reduced to a mere prop when they should be center stage.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 5, 2024 7:49:23 GMT
Your Video miss the ending after the sliders. 22:20 We will save our friend from himself ... if we can. It did but I also addressed those comments to Tea already. IMO at least that line does not mean that the Inquisitor is going to personally get involved in the next games storyline, ergo Tresspasser did not end on a cliffhanger since its a brand new storyline with a new protagonist, entirely seperate conflict, set many years after the events of the DLC. We now the inquisitor will be back in DA:TV. So this is wrong. the game starts with the old story line. Watch the gameplay trailer. The conflict at the start is the same as Trespasser. Solas will be their the whole time.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 5, 2024 7:53:09 GMT
I can't seem to find the links now but I seem to recall we had a lot of arguments a few years back concerning the potential return of the Inquisitor and how we interpreted the outcome of Trespasser compared with what the Devs maintained had been their aim. Just to remind you. I'm pretty sure it was John Epler, but certainly a main person on the team, who claimed that the aim of Trespasser was to tie off the Inquisitor's story. I always maintained this was an epic failure unless he simply meant "as the leader of a powerful Thedas wide organisation", so effectively they were no longer the Lord Inquisitor of Thedas because the organisation they had led was no more, either having been disbanded or reduced in size to become the Divine's private army. However, if it meant that PC would no longer involved going forward the narrative didn't make sense. So, we started discussing the possibility of having two protagonists going forward, a major and a minor. So, when I saw that recent reply from John Epler I felt vindicated. Trespasser absolutely did not end the (former) Inquisitor's role in the story. They may not be active in the field in the same way. That is now Rook's role but they will have a major part to play in the narrative. So, I was not crazy or stupid to think that. Its really a matter of degree. Tresspasser did end the Inquisitor's story involvement as a main protagonist/ driving force of the Dragon Age's narrative...just like Dragon Age Origins and Witch Hunt ended the Hero of Ferelden's involvement in the story as a protagonist or driving force. Does not mean they can't pop up in cameos or guest appearances here and there or doing their own thing. We will not creat the inquisitor in the CC for a cameo or guest. That would be too much work for little achievement. The inquisitor will be a big part in the end.
Hawke wasn't nessesary but he was a part of the mainplot line.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2024 7:56:37 GMT
It did but I also addressed those comments to Tea already. IMO at least that line does not mean that the Inquisitor is going to personally get involved in the next games storyline, ergo Tresspasser did not end on a cliffhanger since its a brand new storyline with a new protagonist, entirely seperate conflict, set many years after the events of the DLC. We now the inquisitor will be back in DA:TV. So this is wrong. the game starts with the old story line. Watch the gameplay trailer. The conflict at the start is the same as Trespasser. Solas will be their the whole time.
Probably a bit of a misspeak on my part or not the most accurate statement I could've made but I also refer myself to the comments I made to gervaise to answer this question. Their involvement as a main story protagonist ended. I have watched the gameplay trailer and I still don't agree with this statement. The story/ conflict in Inquisition was A. closing the Breech and B. stopping Corypheus. The main story/ conflict in Tresspasser was stopping the Vidisaala. Both of which have already been resolved. The conversation we had with Solas at the end of Tresspasser had nothing to do with us being in conflict with the Elf, indeed even if we expressed any sort of anger he still goes out of his way to save our life, but an exposition/ setup for the storyline/ conflict of the next game. Veilguard is a brand new game with a brand new storyline and there have also been dev comments saying pretty much exactly this. Now we don't know exactly the role Solas will play in the narrative and indeed he could still end up as the big bad of the game, but the existance of Elgar'nan/ Ghil'nain, and then the Qunari kind of point to Solas not being there the entire time and may just be there just there as a means of unleashing the actual big bads on the world plus being there for occasional advice and moral support.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2024 7:58:21 GMT
Its really a matter of degree. Tresspasser did end the Inquisitor's story involvement as a main protagonist/ driving force of the Dragon Age's narrative...just like Dragon Age Origins and Witch Hunt ended the Hero of Ferelden's involvement in the story as a protagonist or driving force. Does not mean they can't pop up in cameos or guest appearances here and there or doing their own thing. We will not creat the inquisitor in the CC for a cameo or guest. That would be too much work for little achievement. The inquisitor will be a big part in the end.
Hawke wasn't nessesary but he was a part of the mainplot line.
Past is prologue here: The Warden made a cameo in Inquisition. Hawke made a guest appearance in a single quest in Inquisition, despite us being able to customize them in Inquisition's CC. The Inquisitor will be making a guest appearance here. We're not exactly sure how substantial such an appearance will be, but the term 'guest starring' would seem to qualify.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 8:11:59 GMT
Its really a matter of degree. Tresspasser did end the Inquisitor's story involvement as a main protagonist/ driving force of the Dragon Age's narrative...just like Dragon Age Origins and Witch Hunt ended the Hero of Ferelden's involvement in the story as a protagonist or driving force. Does not mean they can't pop up in cameos or guest appearances here and there or doing their own thing. Here we go again. The Hero of Ferelden's story didn't end with DAO but they did become a more minor person in the story of Thedas because their job was done after DAO/DAA (I did not play Witch Hunt and it wasn't really essential particularly if you didn't do the dark ritual). Likewise, whilst Hawke was still alive in the world, the only real reason they had to bring them back in DAI was to solve the riddle of their disappearance (something that Leliana linked to the HoF likewise going missing, yet it turned out they were unrelated). Actually, bringing back Hawke as part of the Warden narrative instead of the mage/Templar narrative was hard to understand when you discover they had got involved with the Wardens before they knew about the Elder One being Corypheus. Why? Anyway, my point has always been that I didn't expect to see the Hero after DAO/DAA. I didn't expect to see Hawke after DA2. The Warden was the Hero of Ferelden in the Blight. Hawke was the Champion of Kirkwall during the events that led up to the Arishok's attempted coup and the distabilisation of the city in the aftermath owing to the tension between the mages and the Templars. To be honest Corypheus wasn't their problem, since their father was originally blackmailed into helping the Wardens and it was that organisation's responsibility. If the Hero had turned up to deal with that problem it might have been understandable but they had already gone into the west. Anyway, Legacy was a DLC, so anyone who didn't play it had no idea of Hawke's connection with him. Trespasser was different. If you had only played DAI, then the last you would have seen of your Inquisitor was standing on the balcony of Skyhold, with or without their lover. Based off that you would likely never expect to see them again up north, although you might need an explanation for why the Inquisition was no longer a major force in the world. Trespasser changed everything and it was all down to that final confrontation with Solas. Without that the Inquisitor's story was tied off with a nice little bow. Yes, they could return to a greater or lesser extent the next game through taking an interest in northern events, because of the Qunari threat, representing the Divine, etc, but they didn't have to be involved in the main story, except perhaps if they were contacted to tell the new PC what they knew about Solas once he had been identified as a threat. However, with Trespasser, they had now made everything connected with Solas personal for the Inquisitor because HE had chosen to involve them in his plans going forward. That is why I could not understand the presentation by John Epler back in the day when he implied the Inquisitor's story was over. Of course it wasn't. Who could be told that your former companion had betrayed you and was going to destroy the world and not try to do something about it? I also pointed out at the time that every casual player I had spoken to, who wasn't aware of the rule of new protagonist each new DA game, was convinced having played Trespasser that they would be playing the Inquisitor again this time round. To some extent it would have made more sense to have the Inquisitor return in the prologue and they be the person trying to talk down Solas or simply kill him, not Varric. Then they could end the sequence either being killed or entrapped with him or even seriously injured so they can't continue. Varric and Harding had tracked Solas as far as Minrathous. So, why hadn't the Inquisitor joined them there? For that matter, why hadn't the Inquisitor been the one running around with them tracking Solas if it was such a good lead? If the Inquisitor is tied into the Solas story, why weren't they there? That is the main problem with this latest declaration. Once again it contradicts what you see on the ground. They are clearly covering their asses over the previous declaration about Trespasser because either they changed their minds about this or, as I always maintained, it was intended as an extended lead-in trailer to the next game but owing to the massively extended development cycle then they adjusted the story to accommodate this. Additional thought. The game play trailer was heavily edited to avoid spoilers. So, perhaps the Inquisitor was there.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 5, 2024 8:29:26 GMT
So, why hadn't the Inquisitor joined them there? For that matter, why hadn't the Inquisitor been the one running around with them tracking Solas if it was such a good lead? If the Inquisitor is tied into the Solas story, why weren't they there? That is my problem with the start of DA:TV. I hope they have a good explanation. Because we have Harding and i will ask Harding about the inquisitor. And in the trailer Varric said he got our back or maybe he means the inquisition or what is left of them.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jul 5, 2024 9:41:55 GMT
So, why hadn't the Inquisitor joined them there? For that matter, why hadn't the Inquisitor been the one running around with them tracking Solas if it was such a good lead? If the Inquisitor is tied into the Solas story, why weren't they there? That is my problem with the start of DA:TV. I hope they have a good explanation. Because we have Harding and i will ask Harding about the inquisitor. And in the trailer Varric said he got our back or maybe he means the inquisition or what is left of them. Well, you're playing as Rook who doesn't necessarily care about the Inquisitor when they have Solas to stop. And later, some runaway blighted elven gods. I suppose we'll be able to use the tarot cards to say how we handled the Inquisition, was it disbanded or kept as a peace keeping organization. I don't think Inquisitor is as revered at this point as they were when Corypheus was still being dealt with. I expect them to show up similarly to The Warden and Hawke in the previous games. If you know them, you'll get excited. If Veilguard is your first DA game, it will go smoothly over your head. (DA:I was my first DA game and let me tell you; I didn't understand the significance of Wardens or Hawke in the slightest.)
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 5, 2024 10:00:31 GMT
That is my problem with the start of DA:TV. I hope they have a good explanation. Because we have Harding and i will ask Harding about the inquisitor. And in the trailer Varric said he got our back or maybe he means the inquisition or what is left of them. Well, you're playing as Rook who doesn't necessarily care about the Inquisitor when they have Solas to stop. And later, some runaway blighted elven gods. I suppose we'll be able to use the tarot cards to say how we handled the Inquisition, was it disbanded or kept as a peace keeping organization. I don't think Inquisitor is as revered at this point as they were when Corypheus was still being dealt with. I expect them to show up similarly to The Warden and Hawke in the previous games. If you know them, you'll get excited. If Veilguard is your first DA game, it will go smoothly over your head. (DA:I was my first DA game and let me tell you; I didn't understand the significance of Wardens or Hawke in the slightest.) That is right. But the crew of Trespasser will care for Rook, Harding and stoping the elven gods from destroying the world. As Harding is a companion, we have Contact with them. I will say maybe similar to Hawk. But the questline the inquisitor show up will be longer and importent to Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 11:05:47 GMT
Well, you're playing as Rook who doesn't necessarily care about the Inquisitor when they have Solas to stop. And later, some runaway blighted elven gods. You are missing the point. It is the Dev team that has said that the Inquisitor will impact the story and they are tied into it because of Solas. We even have to recreate them so they are going to feature somewhere. At the beginning would make sense but later, as you say, why would Rook bother with them at all? They had been damned little help up to then and Rook gets to know Solas personally so no need for a third party to interject their ideas. Also, Harding and Varric are the link. How did they persuade Rook to get involved in the first place? A couple of dwarves they don't know from Adam, tell them some ancient elf is going to destroy the world and they need their help. What evidence do they have to prove they are not crazy? So, they tell Rook they worked with the Inquisition and the Inquisitor was told this personally by the ancient elf. My immediate response would be, where is the Inquisitor? Otherwise it is hearsay evidence at best. By the time Solas started his ritual Rook is on board with the mission, so they must have said something to convince them. Oh there is that introduction we saw in the 2022 trailer you say. By Varric Tethras, someone known throughout Thedas for his stories. Still, if he included Trespasser in his history of the Inquisition, perhaps Rook had read that and believed it was real, even though there was a reference there of Dorian threatening to turn someone into a toad, something he never did and a resident of Tevinter would never have witnessed by any mage, so seems something of a tall story. I think I'm going to have to settle with the fact that the game play trailer was heavily edited and any spoilers that have been revealed by the magazine would have been authorised by Bioware to get us intrigued and wanting to know more. For now I will trust that it makes sense in game when we see the full hour narrative that was cut down to 20 minutes for the reveal.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2024 11:22:54 GMT
Its really a matter of degree. Tresspasser did end the Inquisitor's story involvement as a main protagonist/ driving force of the Dragon Age's narrative...just like Dragon Age Origins and Witch Hunt ended the Hero of Ferelden's involvement in the story as a protagonist or driving force. Does not mean they can't pop up in cameos or guest appearances here and there or doing their own thing. Here we go again. The Hero of Ferelden's story didn't end with DAO but they did become a more minor person in the story of Thedas because their job was done after DAO/DAA (I did not play Witch Hunt and it wasn't really essential particularly if you didn't do the dark ritual). Likewise, whilst Hawke was still alive in the world, the only real reason they had to bring them back in DAI was to solve the riddle of their disappearance (something that Leliana linked to the HoF likewise going missing, yet it turned out they were unrelated). Actually, bringing back Hawke as part of the Warden narrative instead of the mage/Templar narrative was hard to understand when you discover they had got involved with the Wardens before they knew about the Elder One being Corypheus. Why? Anyway, my point has always been that I didn't expect to see the Hero after DAO/DAA. I didn't expect to see Hawke after DA2. The Warden was the Hero of Ferelden in the Blight. Hawke was the Champion of Kirkwall during the events that led up to the Arishok's attempted coup and the distabilisation of the city in the aftermath owing to the tension between the mages and the Templars. To be honest Corypheus wasn't their problem, since their father was originally blackmailed into helping the Wardens and it was that organisation's responsibility. If the Hero had turned up to deal with that problem it might have been understandable but they had already gone into the west. Anyway, Legacy was a DLC, so anyone who didn't play it had no idea of Hawke's connection with him. Trespasser was different. If you had only played DAI, then the last you would have seen of your Inquisitor was standing on the balcony of Skyhold, with or without their lover. Based off that you would likely never expect to see them again up north, although you might need an explanation for why the Inquisition was no longer a major force in the world. Trespasser changed everything and it was all down to that final confrontation with Solas. Without that the Inquisitor's story was tied off with a nice little bow. Yes, they could return to a greater or lesser extent the next game through taking an interest in northern events, because of the Qunari threat, representing the Divine, etc, but they didn't have to be involved in the main story, except perhaps if they were contacted to tell the new PC what they knew about Solas once he had been identified as a threat. However, with Trespasser, they had now made everything connected with Solas personal for the Inquisitor because HE had chosen to involve them in his plans going forward. That is why I could not understand the presentation by John Epler back in the day when he implied the Inquisitor's story was over. Of course it wasn't. Who could be told that your former companion had betrayed you and was going to destroy the world and not try to do something about it? I also pointed out at the time that every casual player I had spoken to, who wasn't aware of the rule of new protagonist each new DA game, was convinced having played Trespasser that they would be playing the Inquisitor again this time round. To some extent it would have made more sense to have the Inquisitor return in the prologue and they be the person trying to talk down Solas or simply kill him, not Varric. Then they could end the sequence either being killed or entrapped with him or even seriously injured so they can't continue. Varric and Harding had tracked Solas as far as Minrathous. So, why hadn't the Inquisitor joined them there? For that matter, why hadn't the Inquisitor been the one running around with them tracking Solas if it was such a good lead? If the Inquisitor is tied into the Solas story, why weren't they there? That is the main problem with this latest declaration. Once again it contradicts what you see on the ground. They are clearly covering their asses over the previous declaration about Trespasser because either they changed their minds about this or, as I always maintained, it was intended as an extended lead-in trailer to the next game but owing to the massively extended development cycle then they adjusted the story to accommodate this. Additional thought. The game play trailer was heavily edited to avoid spoilers. So, perhaps the Inquisitor was there. If you didn't want to have a conversation then why post something that you know is something is of some contention? And then continue to make a long post of it in response? Your own argument seems to focus on two facets A. that Tresspasser ending the Inquisitor's story was silly, I disagree. And B. That John Epler's latest statements somehow proves your initial insistance...I also disagree with that as well. And they aren't covering their asses and nor is it a contradiction. I didn't expect to see the Inquisitor there at the end of Tresspasser and I still don't particularly want my Inquisitor anywhere near Solas or Tevinter. Granted the conversations I have had with the other side of this debate has got me down from being utterly convinced/ utterly afraid of the Inquisitor making an appearance to accepting it if it happened. Its happened, we're here, I am kind of looking forward to it...but if I had my way and if it was my Inquisitor they'd be off in Ferelden/ Orlais not being involved in a plot line that their participation would only likely hurt...as demonstrated over and over again by BioWare. Further, you have gone to this argument often and it does not really hold up. I often welcome the perspective of new players and how they view things but them missing key context, BioWare's rule of a new protag each game + the behind the scenes statemnts that BioWare has made on the issue, isn't an entirely convincing argument for the Inquisitor's participation. As for why they weren't there...because they already fought one war against one would be God and is off enjoying retirement? At least that's what mine has been doing between the years. Obviously BioWare is going to drag her back into this plot line kicking and screaming but it doesen't change my thoughts on the matter nor is it a particularly compelling argument for their participation. The Missing made it clear, while it had its other issues, that the Inquisitor is quite capable of working through other field agents and giving orders in Kirkwall or Ferelden or Orlais. Their direct participation with this plot is not needed, especially in any substantial way.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2024 11:33:30 GMT
What did the two dwarves say to get the rook character to say Yeah, lets go kill chuckles the clown? It took ten years to find someone willing to take down chuckles? In that time, no one else was available to help? I guess we're lucky chuckles waited that long to do his mickey mouse crap.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2024 11:40:20 GMT
What did the two dwarves say to get the rook character to say Yeah, lets go kill chuckles the clown? It took ten years to find someone willing to take down chuckles? In that time, no one else was available to help? I guess we're lucky chuckles waited that long to do his mickey mouse crap. I think this is going to be part of a plot point in Veilguard and they did say that some of what the Inquisition has been up to in the last ten years will be explained in the game, they have said as much. But they kind of sort of did find people. Just it seems the two issues cropped up that I was anticipating. A. few people probably believed the full extent of their story and B. those who did have their own problems to solve that are more immediete then 'well this crazy Elf mage may cause an issue where he tears down the Veil, maybe, at some point in the future'. Still a lot of this time has yet to be explored so maybe they did find people here and there to offer them to find but then peeled off. Like we do know they were looking and the Inquisitor was busy organizing the man hunt thanks to the Missing and stories like 'The Dreadwolf take you' and 'Genitivi Dies in the End'.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2024 11:49:00 GMT
Like we do know they were looking and the Inquisitor was busy organizing the man hunt thanks to the Missing and stories like 'The Dreadwolf take you' and 'Genitivi Dies in the End'. Is this from comics and whatever else not in a videogame?
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 5, 2024 11:56:48 GMT
and is off enjoying retirement Doesn't your Inquisitor want to face Solas? Your Inquisitor would let other decide what happen to him in the end? Most of my inquisitor want to see that Solas is stopped with their own eyes. The missing only shows for me how incompetent my field agents are. Solas makes fun of them and have them where he want them to be. One step behind him.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 5, 2024 12:08:31 GMT
After a few years of nothing involving chuckles the clown, my Inq said **** it and opened her/his own business. Inq has a tavern/whorehouse called The Missing Limb in Orlais with Isabela as the madame, Lloyd as the bartender, Josephine to handle the finances, Iron Bull and Cassandra as the bouncers. The talking man greets the customers at the door. One day, Inq receives word that chuckles has been found. Inq straps on her/his new arm, grabs his/her weapon to go face the nutjob. The employees wish the Inq luck in taking down chuckles.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2024 12:14:42 GMT
and is off enjoying retirement Doesn't your Inquisitor want to face Solas? Your Inquisitor would let other decide what happen to him in the end? Most of my inquisitor want to see that Solas is stopped with their own eyes. The missing only shows for me how incompetent my field agents are. Solas makes fun of them and have them where he want them to be. One step behind him. I think the majority of min elikel yd omaybe not afte rhe initially walked off ater the end of the main game but certainly after learning of his true identity in Trespasser. The fac ttha he blindsided them and they didn' t even know it would not sit well with them.
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