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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2024 7:41:22 GMT
And in previous conversations I used the term 'semi-retirement' to describe my Inquisitors state of being. Since i have in conversations with I believe both you and Gervaise I was hoping that, especially with the rest of the context, that you'd understand what I'd meant if I shortened it. Clearly a mistake. I understand what you mean and I accept the premise. Something we also have to take into account was whether the Inquisitor drank from the Well or not. Now, I know from some fan fiction I have read, that some people do see that as a good reason not to get involved directly because whilst they do not know about Solas absorbing Mythal, they do know that the Well allowed them to communicate with the spirits at his refuge, so there is a good chance that the spirits of the ancient priests might be able to influence things in some way that is beneficial to his cause, not that of the Inquisitor. Thus it is better to keep one step removed. I mean presumably the spirits didn't offer anything helpful with respect to stopping him or that information would have been passed on to Varric and Harding. Thus, drinking from the Well is likely to be more of a liability than an asset going forwards. After all, Solas did say that everything we did from then on, whether we knew it or not, would be for Mythal. Yeah as a general rule the saying 'you should always admit your biases' has been banging around in my head over this. And my Inquisitor did drink from the well so that would certainly be part of her motivation to want to stay away from the situation as a matter of practicality. I don't think its coloring my perceptions too much but nevertheless the possibility is still there. And likewise in a way Solas's words to the Inquisitor after they drink from the well might also apply 'whether you know it or not you are now Mythal's creature'. WHich suggests to me almost a passive influence can be exeted over the Inquisitor by Solas/ Mythal, potentially. Maybe this is even the whole reason she doesen't want to get too involved? Wouldn't that be wild. Either way though just one more reason to headcanon her staying away. And as for why she would get involved now despite this...well we will see what the involvement is and the reasoning BioWare gives the Inquisitor to blow away all my headcanons. But at this point I am reasoning that Kara is going to decide to head off to Tevinter and check in on things because in the shuffle A. she has heard concerning things about new Elven gods and B. lost contact with Harding and Varric so is going to be concerned for them, that would be enough to get her north.
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Post by MeadKnight on Jul 8, 2024 20:12:30 GMT
The skill points as you increase the companion relationships reminds me of the inspiration aspect of Origins. Though, I don't think you could choose where the points went.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 8, 2024 20:24:49 GMT
The skill points as you increase the companion relationships reminds me of the inspiration aspect of Origins. Though, I don't think you could choose where the points went. In th olde rgames relationship sand skills were different things companions levelled up as the playe rdid and how much you used each companion. Relationship points onl yaffected you rrelationship with tha tcompanion an dhow muc hthe ylik ewha tyou'er doing and the choices yo uare making.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 8, 2024 20:29:39 GMT
I'm getting the feeling more and more that the relationship meter to unlock stuff is going to be value neutral. Approval and disapproval will still be tracked off screen, hopefully.
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Post by MeadKnight on Jul 8, 2024 20:37:10 GMT
The skill points as you increase the companion relationships reminds me of the inspiration aspect of Origins. Though, I don't think you could choose where the points went. In th olde rgames relationship sand skills were different things companions levelled up as the playe rdid and how much you used each companion. Relationship points onl yaffected you rrelationship with tha tcompanion an dhow muc hthe ylik ewha tyou'er doing and the choices yo uare making. I was trying (badly ) to reference these: dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Inspired:_Constitution?so=searchThere are ones for the other abilities. I think you got these as you increased your relationship.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 8, 2024 20:40:24 GMT
So only friendships? No rivalries? Spirited competition? Allies of convenience? Debate partners? Philosophical discourse? Just romance and friendships, with an in-game incentive to placate and support them unconditionally? Yeah, that will do well as seen in previous Dragon Age games.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 8, 2024 20:52:58 GMT
So only friendships? No rivalries? Spirited competition? Allies of convenience? Debate partners? Philosophical discourse? Just romance and friendships, with an in-game incentive to placate and support them unconditionally? Yeah, that will do well as seen in previous Dragon Age games. already mentioned that companions can leave the party.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 8, 2024 21:45:57 GMT
"Every companion in the game has a Relationship Level related to Rook, and the choices you make (and not even specifically about the companion, but in the world in general), what you say to companions, how you help or don't help them, and more all play into it. Every time you rank up a companion's Relationship Level, you unlock a skill point to spend specifically on that companion. Though companion skill trees pale in comparison to Rook's expansive tree, which features passive abilities, combat abilities, and more, as well as paths to three unique class specializations, there's still some customization here."
I really don´t like this. I much prefer the older DA leveling systems for companions. Also i doubt that there are that many companion's Relationship Levels compared to Rook. Lets say the level cap is at 30 then there would 15 aka the half at best a for companions. Yeah i know it worked in ME but i would find a boring that the companions can only use 5 abilities for the whole game. Edit: Also who knows if all are really that unique to that companion or who many companions have the healing ability?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 8, 2024 21:57:23 GMT
"Every companion in the game has a Relationship Level related to Rook, and the choices you make (and not even specifically about the companion, but in the world in general), what you say to companions, how you help or don't help them, and more all play into it. Every time you rank up a companion's Relationship Level, you unlock a skill point to spend specifically on that companion. Though companion skill trees pale in comparison to Rook's expansive tree, which features passive abilities, combat abilities, and more, as well as paths to three unique class specializations, there's still some customization here." I really don´t like this. I much prefer the older DA leveling systems for companions. Also i doubt that there are that many companion's Relationship Levels compared to Rook. Lets say the level cap is at 30 then there would 15 aka the half at best a for companions. Yeah i know it worked in ME but i would find a boring that the companions can only use 5 abilities for the whole game. Edit: Also who knows if all are really that unique to that companion or who many companions have the healing ability? I think it reall ydepends on how you pla yas you''ll likel ybring different companions on diffrent playthroughs to sui tthe Rook you'er RPing. At least that's how I'm reading that. I think this game is going t ohave a lot of replayability here asI did the mat hearlier inm yhead in tha ti fyou take the 6 factoins the fac tyou ca npla yas a mage a rogue and a warrior t ose eabsolutely everything and us eall the variou sstyles o fcombat that's a tleast 18 playthrough's. I fyo utake int oaccount you can als ob emal ean dfemal ethat's 36 t osee everything. That's also assumibng you fin dabsoluteltel yevreything in one playthrough which is unlikely. I was stil lfinding nw ethings on my 10th-20th runs of Inquisition.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jul 8, 2024 22:25:22 GMT
Unpopular opinion incoming i also dislike that we have the option to romance all 7 of the Veilguard companions. Too much fanservice in my opinion also weaking them. Sure i would love to romance Aveline and why not Wynne but i respect it much more that those characters simply won´t nothing more than just friends.
And yes pansexual also not a fan. I prefer characters like Dorian "Sorry but i am only into men" or Cassandra "i also like only men"
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Post by theascendent on Jul 8, 2024 22:34:29 GMT
Why does it work for Baldur's Gate 3 and not for Dragon Age The Veilguard?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 9, 2024 7:36:32 GMT
That was one of the things I called to mind when I read about the latest system. Sometimes I do wonder if commentators have ever played the previous games because they seem to think it is something new to this game when it sounds as though it could be a combination of what they used in previous games, based off what people liked and disliked about them. The system in DAO where improving your approval by a companion unlocked additional skill points that were specific to their class (like constitution or dexterity) and thus allowed them to access certain abilities or use certain items sooner, was something that I did appreciate. There were certain aspects to the unique specialism tree of our companions in DA2 that only unlocked when they got to a certain level and could vary whether you had locked in on the friendship or rivalry path. You had to get to a certain level of approval in DAI before the companion's personal quest would trigger. So only friendships? No rivalries? Spirited competition? Allies of convenience? Debate partners? Philosophical discourse? Just romance and friendships, with an in-game incentive to placate and support them unconditionally? Yeah, that will do well as seen in previous Dragon Age games. I may be misunderstanding this but it seems your attitude in life can affect how certain companions view you and mean they won't want to be best friends or lovers but possibly they can still respect you enough to be loyal, which I believe was meant to be the idea behind the DA2 friendship/rivalry system. I did feel that DA2 system left something to be desired as at times pursuing a romance with a rival almost felt abusive. Certainly it was hardly surprising that the Devs said that after forcing a rivaled Anders into killing the mages he did kill himself, as apparently he hinted he would in their final conversation. So, it remains to be seen exactly how this will work. I imagine there will be people who will second guess the system and choose particular dialogue options because they think/know it is going to impress the one they want to romance. I will take the opposite approach and be myself, or rather true to the character I have created, and see what comes of that. Presumably at least one of the companions will appreciate them.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Jul 9, 2024 8:17:46 GMT
My feeling is that it might be some type of relationship web like Detroit's paths, instead of a simple bar. Like what gervaise21 says, your attitude in life plays a part. In addition, I imagine key points of dialogue and actions/decisions are heavily weighted. For example; you may make a decision that pisses off Neve which will make it really difficult to win her affection.
I would love if the companion approval was more action oriented then just dialogue. Granted, that would require a lot of design consideration.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 9, 2024 8:40:01 GMT
Ah yes the obligatory awkward virgin character who has never been in a relationship is back. Classic BioWare, lol.
So who is it do you think?
Edit: I realized that no relationship experience doesn't need to equal virgin. I like that idea better than having another awkward Tali scenario.
Looks like the internet thinks it's going to be Lucanis.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Jul 9, 2024 8:43:53 GMT
Really think the whole playersexual thing cheapens the romances in a way As much as I'm spoilt for choice romance wise now as a straight man, I think Gays and Lesbians having their own content would've been great
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 9, 2024 8:55:27 GMT
I just hope all this relationship stuff is properly balanced and your companions react to actually meaningful stuff as in nothing of the sort of "it may be the end of the world but you just made a joke I didn't like so I'm not going to help you as much as before".
And please no dysfunctional gang where almost everyone needs a therapist and not an adventure.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 9, 2024 8:59:41 GMT
And please no dysfunctional gang where almost everyone needs a therapist and not an adventure. What, you didn't like the SR-2 Daddy Issues???!? *g*
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Post by Envisionary on Jul 9, 2024 9:12:09 GMT
And please no dysfunctional gang where almost everyone needs a therapist and not an adventure. This has been my problem with too many of DA's characters and I'd really rather be doing anything else than playing therapist to fickle Dr. Phil tier patients.
Just from what little we've learned about him, I'm expecting it from Lucanis.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 9, 2024 11:49:50 GMT
That was one of the things I called to mind when I read about the latest system. Sometimes I do wonder if commentators have ever played the previous games because they seem to think it is something new to this game when it sounds as though it could be a combination of what they used in previous games, based off what people liked and disliked about them. The system in DAO where improving your approval by a companion unlocked additional skill points that were specific to their class (like constitution or dexterity) and thus allowed them to access certain abilities or use certain items sooner, was something that I did appreciate. There were certain aspects to the unique specialism tree of our companions in DA2 that only unlocked when they got to a certain level and could vary whether you had locked in on the friendship or rivalry path. You had to get to a certain level of approval in DAI before the companion's personal quest would trigger. So only friendships? No rivalries? Spirited competition? Allies of convenience? Debate partners? Philosophical discourse? Just romance and friendships, with an in-game incentive to placate and support them unconditionally? Yeah, that will do well as seen in previous Dragon Age games. I may be misunderstanding this but it seems your attitude in life can affect how certain companions view you and mean they won't want to be best friends or lovers but possibly they can still respect you enough to be loyal, which I believe was meant to be the idea behind the DA2 friendship/rivalry system. I did feel that DA2 system left something to be desired as at times pursuing a romance with a rival almost felt abusive. Certainly it was hardly surprising that the Devs said that after forcing a rivaled Anders into killing the mages he did kill himself, as apparently he hinted he would in their final conversation. So, it remains to be seen exactly how this will work. I imagine there will be people who will second guess the system and choose particular dialogue options because they think/know it is going to impress the one they want to romance. I will take the opposite approach and be myself, or rather true to the character I have created, and see what comes of that. Presumably at least one of the companions will appreciate them. Yeah I generally pla ytha twa ytoo try t ofin da wa ytha tfits their personalit yif a character isn' tliking th ecalls I'm making then tough. M ycharactre is making thes echoices becaus ethe yfeel it's the right call.
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Post by Gwydden on Jul 9, 2024 12:12:10 GMT
Ah yes the obligatory awkward virgin character who has never been in a relationship is back. Classic BioWare, lol. So who is it do you think? Edit: I realized that no relationship experience doesn't need to equal virgin. I like that idea better than having another awkward Tali scenario. Looks like the internet thinks it's going to be Lucanis. Betting on Bellara. She's the quirky, cutesy one, and Bioware loves that type. Really think the whole playersexual thing cheapens the romances in a way As much as I'm spoilt for choice romance wise now as a straight man, I think Gays and Lesbians having their own content would've been great Eh. People make too big a deal out of it. The orientation of fictional characters is nearly always arbitrary anyway. The one time it wasn't in a Bioware game, all we got out of it was a kinda cringe PSA. This way everyone's got more options and there's less drama. I just hope all this relationship stuff is properly balanced and your companions react to actually meaningful stuff as in nothing of the sort of "it may be the end of the world but you just made a joke I didn't like so I'm not going to help you as much as before". And please no dysfunctional gang where almost everyone needs a therapist and not an adventure. Characters being troubled is fine in my book, because conflict is interesting and everyone needs an arc. Sharing intimate issues with the PC as their relationship improves makes sense, since that's how real relationships work. What weirds me out is how one sided it ends up being. I think that's where the therapist feel actually comes from: your character never has issues, never shares them, never gets asked about them by their companions, or so little that it hardly matters. ME3 was pretty good at this, actually. Garrus has an aside to check how Shepard feels after the Tuchanka arc, Liara comforts them after one of their PTSD nightmares, etc. I seem to recall that in DA2, Hawke's love interest goes to talk to them after their mother dies. That's the kind of thing the companion writing needs more of, though it does mean defining the PC's feelings more than some players might like. Hawke and Shepard are the closest Bioware's done to preset protagonists, after all.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 9, 2024 12:26:52 GMT
Ah yes the obligatory awkward virgin character who has never been in a relationship is back. Classic BioWare, lol. So who is it do you think? Edit: I realized that no relationship experience doesn't need to equal virgin. I like that idea better than having another awkward Tali scenario. Looks like the internet thinks it's going to be Lucanis. If they are going with never had a close relationship with anyone but has had sex, then it might well be Lucanis. According to Zevran part of their training is learning how to seduce your target and not being picky about their sex, although he admitted he preferred a woman's curves if given the choice. Also, he said how they were conditioned into not getting romantically involved and developing an emotional attachment. Dorian fulfilled that role in DAI, since he had had a lot of sexual encounters but no meaningful relationship back in Tevinter, where the attitude was somewhat the same when it came to same sex encounters, whilst marriage was all about preserving the family line and presumably it was pot luck if you got on with your spouse (it was much the same in the south I believe but they were more relaxed about having an extra marital relationship). I am actually intrigued to know what the attitude is within the Crows by the Talons when it comes to their own family but it would seem from Eight Little Talons that having Talons form attachments with other Talons is considered acceptable, which surprised me somewhat but I suppose is pretty normal if you see the Talons as the nobility in their organisation and so just as lucky to form alliances as in wider society. As for the others, I would imagine Emmrich has enjoyed relationships during his life given his age; it would be rather sad if he hasn't. Davrin may have joined the Wardens after disappointment in love or because the love of his life was killed by darkspawn. I would hope he wasn't someone who ran off and joined the Wardens leaving his wife/girlfriend/boyfriend in the lurch like other Wardens we have encountered. Of the female companions it is harder to judge. People are more likely to assume Bellara is the sweet, innocent one but that is not necessarily the case. After the promiscuous Iron Bull and his hair raising stories about the attitude to sex in the Qun, may be Taash is the one who will surprise us. Perhaps she fled the Qun because she didn't want to be part of their breeding program, assigned to satisfying the needs of random males according to the direction of the Tamassrans. She could be the one who turns out to be really romantic in her outlook and looking for a meaningful relationship, which is why she hooks up with Harding if you aren't interested.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jul 9, 2024 13:12:27 GMT
Ah yes the obligatory awkward virgin character who has never been in a relationship is back. Classic BioWare, lol. So who is it do you think? Edit: I realized that no relationship experience doesn't need to equal virgin. I like that idea better than having another awkward Tali scenario. Looks like the internet thinks it's going to be Lucanis. Of the female companions it is harder to judge. People are more likely to assume Bellara is the sweet, innocent one but that is not necessarily the case. After the promiscuous Iron Bull and his hair raising stories about the attitude to sex in the Qun, may be Taash is the one who will surprise us. Perhaps she fled the Qun because she didn't want to be part of their breeding program, assigned to satisfying the needs of random males according to the direction of the Tamassrans. She could be the one who turns out to be really romantic in her outlook and looking for a meaningful relationship, which is why she hooks up with Harding if you aren't interested. Taash has been my pick as I didn't see Lucanis as the type. I see Antivan Crows as a swaggering bunch and it doesn't fit. I think seduction would be part of the game. It's either Taash or Bellara.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 9, 2024 13:16:11 GMT
After the promiscuous Iron Bull and his hair raising stories about the attitude to sex in the Qun, may be Taash is the one who will surprise us. Perhaps she fled the Qun because she didn't want to be part of their breeding program, assigned to satisfying the needs of random males according to the direction of the Tamassrans. She could be the one who turns out to be really romantic in her outlook and looking for a meaningful relationship, which is why she hooks up with Harding if you aren't interested. I like this scenario best. Sounds interesting. DAI with IB and Krem had me slightly worried that the qun was going to eventually get whitewashed as not so bad. I think it's a horrific society. I was so hoping for an escaped saarebas qunari and the horrors they can tell stories about. Still kinda disappointed we didn't get one. So I do hope Taash is strongly anti qun for once. I too think it might be Lucanis though. Because that's the kind of trope that women love. The bad boy who's secretly a sensitive nice guy who after a life of disaster finds the love of his life and it transforms him. I haven't read all of Tevinter Nights yet. So I don't have the full picture on his family yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they made him a more palatable version of Astarion. Messed up from all the abuse and horrible life he was forced into but without the glee at other people's misfortune. I love Astarion as a character but hoo boy he's a walking red flag, lol. I hope it's not Davrin, don't need an Alistair repeat. I also hope it's not Bellara, that would be too cliche BioWare with the cute inexperienced girl trope that always made me uncomfortable in Mass Effect. At least here we can pick how old our Rook is so it looks less predatory to go for somebody so much younger (Liara, Tali). I think we can exclude Neve, from what I gather from her short story she doesn't strike me as the type. Emmerich would be indeed sad and I can't imagine this not being extremely awkward. I see a lot of kink talk about him being the passionate spicy one and I'm not sure I want that image in my head, lol. I would prefer his romance to be quiet and sweet. One thing that's nice about older men is they mellow out and it's a good thing. I would also exclude Harding. So either Lucanis, Bellara or your Taash angle is my guess. My bet is with the internet on Lucanis because women love that kind of shit. Experienced but never in love. Awww. Makes a girl feel special.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 9, 2024 14:59:20 GMT
I too think it might be Lucanis though. Because that's the kind of trope that women love. The bad boy who's secretly a sensitive nice guy who after a life of disaster finds the love of his life and it transforms him. I haven't read all of Tevinter Nights yet. So I don't have the full picture on his family yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they made him a more palatable version of Astarion. Messed up from all the abuse and horrible life he was forced into but without the glee at other people's misfortune. I love Astarion as a character but hoo boy he's a walking red flag, lol. Did you play BG2? Viconia sort of filled that role in that game. Drow society is really messed up and she started off neutral evil and even breaks off the relationship at some point because of how messed up she is emotionally through how she was raised. However, if you stuck with it, we got back together and depending on your character's alignment she could stay evil or she could eventually shift to true neutral owing to your influence (she was never good). I'm trying to remember but I think eventually ended rather sadly with her being killed by agents of the vengeful goddess if you reject godhood and stay with her but I found it a really rewarding romance to pursue. So, perhaps Lucancis may be more like that than a total turn around in his character through the romance with Rook.
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