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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 23, 2024 21:49:13 GMT
I find the combat mechanic shown so far to look very interesting. I'll probably start on normal (presumably the middle of the 5 difficulties) and in subsequent playthroughs work up to the hardest.
I probably liked DA2 best over O&I. I never finished BG3 (got fed up with it after a couple of areas, though I'm sure I will finish it one day), but this looks like much more my cup of tea.
I can respect those who feel it's not for them. People like different things. I hope they can find other games to enjoy.
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I liked the combat best in DA2. All the classes felt fast and fun, while retaining the point and click from DAO and KOTOR (not a fan of the weapon restrictions though, Rogues and Mages deserve the right to wield swords)
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 24, 2024 1:19:00 GMT
Having watched the gameplay video again, people might want to think about the last game they want to play before launch. ![](https://i.imgur.com/3JcX38N.png) Maybe pick one you like with a similar style of combat to get those reflexes in line with Veilguard. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) Something with active dodges, blocks, aimed ranged attacks, and at a similar pace. People who aren't used to ARPGs going straight from another DA game to DAV may be in for jarring experience.
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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Jun 24, 2024 3:14:07 GMT
Most of this speculation is pointless until we see some actual details from higher level gameplay.
From what it sounds like however, it'll be like OP said: based on Andromeda's system BUT with the ability to give our squad commands on what abilities to use when, and on who, like in the ME Trilogy.
It also sounds like we'll be getting a Profile-equivalent thing that enables us to swap between loadouts.
In my opinion these are good things.
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Having watched the gameplay video again, people might want to think about the last game they want to play before launch. ![](https://i.imgur.com/3JcX38N.png) Maybe pick one you like with a similar style of combat to get those reflexes in line with Veilguard. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) Something with active dodges, blocks, aimed ranged attacks, and at a similar pace. People who aren't used to ARPGs going straight from another DA game to DAV may be in for jarring experience. I'm not suer that I'v ego ta gam etha truns quiet a ttha tspeed maybe Horizon is maybe th eclosest but I don't really know But lik eI said I'm kin do f planing on doing a bit o falternating between Mas Effect an dDragon Age. I htink th ecomba tcoul db efun once we ge tused t oit. It's more tha t we'v eno thad agame tha truns a ttha tspeed from Biowa rebfeoer it almos tfeels like a soulsbourn ein th ew ytha tRook was moving there in the gamepla ytrailer. Like we were watchin ggameplay from something like Elden Ring. I'm no tknockin gSoulsborne games as I know the genre hasa lo to ffans even if I'm not on eof them bu tthat's probably the closest.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 25, 2024 15:23:16 GMT
I find the combat mechanic shown so far to look very interesting. I'll probably start on normal (presumably the middle of the 5 difficulties) and in subsequent playthroughs work up to the hardest.I probably liked DA2 best over O&I. I never finished BG3 (got fed up with it after a couple of areas, though I'm sure I will finish it one day), but this looks like much more my cup of tea. I can respect those who feel it's not for them. People like different things. I hope they can find other games to enjoy. Yeah I'm going t ob eplaying on Casua lor Story mode dependin gon ho wI find th edifficulty
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 25, 2024 23:26:38 GMT
Having watched the gameplay video again, people might want to think about the last game they want to play before launch. ![](https://i.imgur.com/3JcX38N.png) Maybe pick one you like with a similar style of combat to get those reflexes in line with Veilguard. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) Something with active dodges, blocks, aimed ranged attacks, and at a similar pace. People who aren't used to ARPGs going straight from another DA game to DAV may be in for jarring experience. I'm not suer that I'v ego ta gam etha truns quiet a ttha tspeed maybe Horizon is maybe th eclosest but I don't really know But lik eI said I'm kin do f planing on doing a bit o falternating between Mas Effect an dDragon Age. I htink th ecomba tcoul db efun once we ge tused t oit. It's more tha t we'v eno thad agame tha truns a ttha tspeed from Biowa rebfeoer it almos tfeels like a soulsbourn ein th ew ytha tRook was moving there in the gamepla ytrailer. Like we were watchin ggameplay from something like Elden Ring. I'm no tknockin gSoulsborne games as I know the genre hasa lo to ffans even if I'm not on eof them bu tthat's probably the closest. Some others in that style - God of War, a number of AC games, Stellar Blade, some FF games, Witcher 3...
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I'm not suer that I'v ego ta gam etha truns quiet a ttha tspeed maybe Horizon is maybe th eclosest but I don't really know But lik eI said I'm kin do f planing on doing a bit o falternating between Mas Effect an dDragon Age. I htink th ecomba tcoul db efun once we ge tused t oit. It's more tha t we'v eno thad agame tha truns a ttha tspeed from Biowa rebfeoer it almos tfeels like a soulsbourn ein th ew ytha tRook was moving there in the gamepla ytrailer. Like we were watchin ggameplay from something like Elden Ring. I'm no tknockin gSoulsborne games as I know the genre hasa lo to ffans even if I'm not on eof them bu tthat's probably the closest. Some others in that style - God of War, a number of AC games, Stellar Blade, some FF games, Witcher 3... Yeah I've got ACOddysey and the Witcher series thou ghI don' tthin kI'v eseen th ecomba b etha tquick. But like I asid I thin kwit hpractic eweca nprobabl yadapt eventually.
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Post by Kendaric on Jun 26, 2024 10:58:03 GMT
I'm not sure Witcher 3 combat is a good comparison. Granted, Witcher 3 is a type of action combat but it's way slower (and more realistic looking) than DAV's silly over the top combat. I could handle combat in the Witcher 3 on the lowest difficulty (even though it was challenging for me), I strongly doubt I could handle combat in DAV without resorting to the "no death" mode at all.
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Post by dagless on Jun 26, 2024 16:31:36 GMT
I'm not suer that I'v ego ta gam etha truns quiet a ttha tspeed maybe Horizon is maybe th eclosest but I don't really know But lik eI said I'm kin do f planing on doing a bit o falternating between Mas Effect an dDragon Age. I htink th ecomba tcoul db efun once we ge tused t oit. It's more tha t we'v eno thad agame tha truns a ttha tspeed from Biowa rebfeoer it almos tfeels like a soulsbourn ein th ew ytha tRook was moving there in the gamepla ytrailer. Like we were watchin ggameplay from something like Elden Ring. I'm no tknockin gSoulsborne games as I know the genre hasa lo to ffans even if I'm not on eof them bu tthat's probably the closest. Combat in Elden Ring (or Dark Souls) isn’t fast at all though. It’s more about trudging up to someone, taking a couple of hits on the shield and waiting for an opening for your own attacks, which also have a significant wind up. It’s kind of the whole point to be slow, deliberate and feel weighty. I think this looks closer to the Witcher 3, where you can dance around between enemies dealing a bunch of pretty fast attacks. Although this might be faster. Never played the Devil May Cry games, but they look very fast. Don’t think we’re quite at that level? It’s very hard to judge what it would really be like to play from the gameplay video. Action combat where you rely a lot on timing could work well alongside issuing tactical commands if they do it well. The main thing to get right IMO is feeling like you are properly in control, and not just button mashing a load of random bullshit.
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Post by grallon on Jun 26, 2024 17:24:33 GMT
I'm not sure Witcher 3 combat is a good comparison. Granted, Witcher 3 is a type of action combat but it's way slower (and more realistic looking) than DAV's silly over the top combat. I could handle combat in the Witcher 3 on the lowest difficulty (even though it was challenging for me), I strongly doubt I could handle combat in DAV without resorting to the "no death" mode at all.
No die option - some kind of God mode? In any case, I enjoyed the Witcher 3, despite the combat, not because of it. But I got used to it, or endured it for the sake of the story. Enough to replay it once at least. Same with Mass Effect, although sniping at collectors or Cerberus goons was oddly satisfying. However what we saw in the trailer for DA4 looked more like what we often see in Asian games: super quick, jumping all over the place & extremely flashy.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 26, 2024 17:39:12 GMT
I'm not sure Witcher 3 combat is a good comparison. Granted, Witcher 3 is a type of action combat but it's way slower (and more realistic looking) than DAV's silly over the top combat. I could handle combat in the Witcher 3 on the lowest difficulty (even though it was challenging for me), I strongly doubt I could handle combat in DAV without resorting to the "no death" mode at all.
No die option - some kind of God mode? In any case, I enjoyed the Witcher 3, despite the combat, not because of it. But I got used to it, or endured it for the sake of the story. Enough to replay it once at least. Same with Mass Effect, although sniping at collectors or Cerberus goons was oddly satisfying. However what we saw in the trailer for DA4 looked more like what we often see in Asian games: super quick, jumping all over the place & extremely flashy.
The no die difficulty is what the name say: You can't die. no matter what the opponent does. And i happily play with it. With this i could have played the witcher.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 26, 2024 17:48:45 GMT
Why does everyone hate the Witcher 3 combat? Replaying the game right now and I still think it's fun. Granted, on default difficulty it gets super easy halfway through the game and, yes, it's extremely simple if you spam quen. Tanking a group of enemies 15 levels above you with a skull icon is very doable. And I'm not a good gamer at all. But I guess I prefer a simple but fluid combat to anything too tactical. I'm neither smart nor patient enough to master something like BG3, so I just limp along in that game.
DAV looks nothing like W3 to me though. It's flashy like DAI but hopefully less dull. I also hope it has more weight than DAI and feels satisfying. Something that worried me in the gameplay video. Didn't feel or sound impactful. That is VERY important for fun combat imo. Witcher 3 got that right imo. Never stops being fun when an attack knocks you back ten feet and you feel the force of that. Warrior combat better feel that way too, although I'll probably play mage as usual.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 26, 2024 17:55:14 GMT
What do you think the social/combat ratio will be? Compared to the the other games in the franchise?
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 26, 2024 18:00:43 GMT
Why does everyone hate the Witcher 3 combat? Replaying the game right now and I still think it's fun. Granted, on default difficulty it gets super easy halfway through the game and, yes, it's extremely simple if you spam quen. Tanking a group of enemies 15 levels above you with a skull icon is very doable. And I'm not a good gamer at all. But I guess I prefer a simple but fluid combat to anything too tactical. I'm neither smart nor patient enough to master something like BG3, so I just limp along in that game. DAV looks nothing like W3 to me though. It's flashy like DAI but hopefully less dull. I also hope it has more weight than DAI and feels satisfying. Something that worried me in the gameplay video. Didn't feel or sound impactful. That is VERY important for fun combat imo. Witcher 3 got that right imo. Never stops being fun when an attack knocks you back ten feet and you feel the force of that. Warrior combat better feel that way too, although I'll probably play mage as usual. Because i die after 5 min. I am not good at playing it. BG3 is also to complicated for me. A good DAO, BG or DAI combat and i am good to go.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 26, 2024 18:05:21 GMT
What do you think the social/combat ratio will be? Compared to the the other games in the franchise? I played Fire emblem. And their your companions getting better in combat with the people they like. So makeing friends help improve combat.
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BG3 is also to complicated for me. BG 3 combat is pretty simple, I may be biased though as I've played D&D 5th ed for years. Though admittedly the game game suffers a bit from HP bloat with certain enemies and their encounter design that made combat in BG 3 more difficult than it would have been in PnP D&D. A good DAO, BG or DAI combat and i am good to go. I'd definitely prefer that to the action combat we're getting. To me it would also feel more like an RPG combat system, DAV's system seems more like an arcade or action game like God of War than actual RPG combat. But I guess that ship has sailed and sunk beneath the waves...
No die option - some kind of God mode?
As far as I understand it, the "no death" is an accessability option that we can choose alongside the game difficulty. So yeah, it seems to be a built-in god mode of sorts. I don't like having to resort to that, but there's no way in hell I can handle the combat otherwise. At least it will most likely allow me to play without any magical or semi-magical abilities and still not die to bosses ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/KGsHESiZGZU0pPuHuhQr.png)
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Why does everyone hate the Witcher 3 combat? Replaying the game right now and I still think it's fun. Granted, on default difficulty it gets super easy halfway through the game and, yes, it's extremely simple if you spam quen. Tanking a group of enemies 15 levels above you with a skull icon is very doable. And I'm not a good gamer at all. But I guess I prefer a simple but fluid combat to anything too tactical. I'm neither smart nor patient enough to master something like BG3, so I just limp along in that game. DAV looks nothing like W3 to me though. It's flashy like DAI but hopefully less dull. I also hope it has more weight than DAI and feels satisfying. Something that worried me in the gameplay video. Didn't feel or sound impactful. That is VERY important for fun combat imo. Witcher 3 got that right imo. Never stops being fun when an attack knocks you back ten feet and you feel the force of that. Warrior combat better feel that way too, although I'll probably play mage as usual. I liked it. Solid gameplay, usually fun, rarely felt unfair and worked well with leveling up character and equipment. Only slight downside is you are always Geralt, who fights with swords, signs and a bit of alchemy. You can make different builds, but not all that different.
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Why does everyone hate the Witcher 3 combat? Replaying the game right now and I still think it's fun. Granted, on default difficulty it gets super easy halfway through the game and, yes, it's extremely simple if you spam quen. Tanking a group of enemies 15 levels above you with a skull icon is very doable. And I'm not a good gamer at all. But I guess I prefer a simple but fluid combat to anything too tactical. I'm neither smart nor patient enough to master something like BG3, so I just limp along in that game. DAV looks nothing like W3 to me though. It's flashy like DAI but hopefully less dull. I also hope it has more weight than DAI and feels satisfying. Something that worried me in the gameplay video. Didn't feel or sound impactful. That is VERY important for fun combat imo. Witcher 3 got that right imo. Never stops being fun when an attack knocks you back ten feet and you feel the force of that. Warrior combat better feel that way too, although I'll probably play mage as usual. I like The Witcher combat, it works well for a game with a fixed solo protagonist. But for a custom character RPG I vastly prefer the point and click style of KOTOR, DAO and BG3. Not a fan of this new game's combat tbh.
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Post by jimbo on Jun 26, 2024 22:28:44 GMT
Do companions even have health bars? I didn’t see them. And why green health bar? Most games use red.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 26, 2024 23:14:02 GMT
Do companions even have health bars? I didn’t see them. And why green health bar? Most games use red. Usuall yi tmeans green fo rAll yred fo renemy. So yo ucan tell at aglanc which i swhich.Atleas tthat's how mos tgames work.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 26, 2024 23:15:07 GMT
As an experiment I've been playing Inquisition on Hard difficulty, without swapping characters and not using tactical view. I've been very careful with companion skills because they need to fend for themselves. And it's working very nicely.
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Post by Gwydden on Jun 26, 2024 23:32:57 GMT
I keep seeing people online compare the combat in the demo to Kingdoms of Amalur, which weirds me out a bit because that game is neither new nor popular. I know there was a remaster, but did I miss some kind of resurgence? But anyway, I liked the combat there fine, so if Veilguard's along those lines, it should work out for me.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 26, 2024 23:49:38 GMT
Does anyone care we can't be a Templar? I know why we can't for lore reasons, so just asking if anyone cares.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 27, 2024 0:49:43 GMT
Does anyone care we can't be a Templar? I know why we can't for lore reasons, so just asking if anyone cares. Not reall ygiven we'v ehad tha tspec fo rthe last 3 games jus tas we'v ebeen in Southern Thedas for the las t3 games I like the fact that Veilguard is trying a fe nwe things .Giving us diffrent specializations taking us t oparts o fThedas we haven' tbeen befoer .Fo rm ethis all dsounds good. Whether it succeeds a tan yo fi tonl ytim ewi l ltell but I'm pleased they're trying a few new things.
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