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Post by colfoley on Sept 6, 2024 7:19:11 GMT
Also my dear sweet Solas. Solas: I'm going to destroy your World Inky, see ya. 10 years later Solas : I was not destroying the world, Rook !
Look man pick a side, make a choice, be clear, yeah? Do we really have to suffer this fool as an adviser? So glad they showed we can give back as good as we get from him, even if I don't think they do show his response. Honestly, he had multiple opportunities to say to his former colleagues that he wasn't trying to destroy the world and we weren't all going to die as a consequence of his plans. Why did he say what he did to the Inquisitor in Trespasser? Why didn't he correct Charter in Tevinter Nights? When he said the elves that remain may find the end result better than before, she took that to mean her human lover wouldn't survive. The reader also understood it that way. Then Varric is pleading with him and his only response is people die all the time.
Is it possible he is doing his damned equivocation again? No, he wasn't destroying the world but healing it. The fact that the healing process would kill countless millions of people doesn't take away from the fact that when it is over the world will be a better place. I suppose an appropriate analogy would be a cancer treatment. It kills the corrupted cells but also a fair few others as well in the process, although eventually the body as a whole will survive. So he wasn't destroying the world. Keep in mind to that Inquisition probably provides an answer. Mind you I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the Warden Rook hasn't gone through the joining either...BUT. In Inquisition the Venatori/ Corypheus/ Erimond wasn't just able to directly mind control the Wardens. They were able to influence them, they were able to project a False Calling, and they were able to manipulate them but only with the blood magic ritual was Erimond able to influence the Warden Mages. I am sure the same thing is possible here where Gil may be able to 'sing' to the Wardens but that won't be directly hijacking them. Those with enough will power and who aren't far along their path probably will be able to resist.
Though the Solas angle makes me think of the 'Dream Guardian'.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 7:50:24 GMT
And as Corinne said this does set up a situation where they don't have to like you, they can even hate your guts, but they can work with you and work together because they are both professional enough. Which does set up potentially interesting character dynamics which sounds like it could be really deep if they do it right. Yes, I'm hoping for some really mature character development this time round. She spoke of getting to know a character so you understand the best way of dealing with them. That would apply just as much if not more to someone you profoundly disagree with as someone you like because bigger things are at stake so you need to find a way you can work together effectively. They did say the change of name of the game was to emphasise the focus of the narrative and I am totally on board with that. I hope the character relationships are as deep as they are claiming.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 6, 2024 7:55:24 GMT
Well I hope nobody is going to move the furniture around the Lighthouse because they can't stand Rook but won't leave. There's the Eluvian, so long.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 8:00:42 GMT
Keep in mind to that Inquisition probably provides an answer. Mind you I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the Warden Rook hasn't gone through the joining either...BUT. In Inquisition the Venatori/ Corypheus/ Erimond wasn't just able to directly mind control the Wardens. They were able to influence them, they were able to project a False Calling, and they were able to manipulate them but only with the blood magic ritual was Erimond able to influence the Warden Mages. I am sure the same thing is possible here where Gil may be able to 'sing' to the Wardens but that won't be directly hijacking them. Those with enough will power and who aren't far along their path probably will be able to resist. The Jedi mind manipulation only works on the weak willed! Okay, that seems a reasonably explanation too. Mind you Ghil does seem to have rather more control over blighted creatures than Cory did. However, the reason the Wardens imprisoned rather than killed him because he did have some control over them that prevented it. So, they never even discovered that it wouldn't have worked because he would have just jumped ship and possessed them instead. He also sent Anders bonkers, although Hawke's sibling was unaffected, so perhaps that had something to do with how long they had been a Warden and how far the corruption had developed in their system/mind. Strangely enough I would have thought Justice should have been able to prevent the mind control, so my idea about Solas is probably a non starter. Also, the False Calling was intended to affect Wardens across a very wide area, so presumably that diluted its ability to completely control their minds. That is why he needed to send in Erimond to do the fine tuning. Also, mages tended to be more vulnerable than mundanes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 8:03:52 GMT
Well I hope nobody is going to move the furniture around the Lighthouse because they can't stand Rook but won't leave. There's the Eluvian, so long. I imagine they will just trash their room. Even if this was only reflecting the state of their mind and they didn't intend to do it physically, this is the Fade after all! Any confirmation yet whether the Lighthouse is actually in the Fade or just the Crossroads?
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Post by colfoley on Sept 6, 2024 8:07:55 GMT
Keep in mind to that Inquisition probably provides an answer. Mind you I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the Warden Rook hasn't gone through the joining either...BUT. In Inquisition the Venatori/ Corypheus/ Erimond wasn't just able to directly mind control the Wardens. They were able to influence them, they were able to project a False Calling, and they were able to manipulate them but only with the blood magic ritual was Erimond able to influence the Warden Mages. I am sure the same thing is possible here where Gil may be able to 'sing' to the Wardens but that won't be directly hijacking them. Those with enough will power and who aren't far along their path probably will be able to resist. The Jedi mind manipulation only works on the weak willed! Okay, that seems a reasonably explanation too. Mind you Ghil does seem to have rather more control over blighted creatures than Cory did. However, the reason the Wardens imprisoned rather than killed him because he did have some control over them that prevented it. So, they never even discovered that it wouldn't have worked because he would have just jumped ship and possessed them instead. He also sent Anders bonkers, although Hawke's sibling was unaffected, so perhaps that had something to do with how long they had been a Warden and how far the corruption had developed in their system/mind. Strangely enough I would have thought Justice should have been able to prevent the mind control, so my idea about Solas is probably a non starter. Also, the False Calling was intended to affect Wardens across a very wide area, so presumably that diluted its ability to completely control their minds. That is why he needed to send in Erimond to do the fine tuning. Also, mages tended to be more vulnerable than mundanes. Justice and Anders might still work towards your theory all the more. After all Cory was seeming to sing to Anders and was driving him batty but then before anything happened Justice was able to hijack it, hijack Anders, take over, and effectively stop the mind control of Anders and then after Anders was defeated Anders was fine so Solas might still be able to protect us.
Though this does make me wonder if creatures like Cory, and the Elven Gods, and the Old Gods might actually be more powerful when they are sleeping/ dreaming...at least when it comes to influencing sentient minds...because Corypheus actually seemed more powerful before he woke up.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 8:31:37 GMT
Though this does make me wonder if creatures like Cory, and the Elven Gods, and the Old Gods might actually be more powerful when they are sleeping/ dreaming...at least when it comes to influencing sentient minds...because Corypheus actually seemed more powerful before he woke up. This is also a possibility. If what Mihris claimed the elders in Uthenera could do was correct (and Felassan mocking it makes me think the Keepers are probably pretty close on this) then it may be it was something they did deliberately to allow greater control over their followers and extend the range of their influence.
She also said not only could they give information to their allies through their dreams but also send spirits to aid them. Certainly Fen'Harel was able to command spirits to attack the Tevinter mage and the Mortalitasi doing their ritual. I wonder if Solas dropped back into temporary Uthenera to do that?
I think you may be right about Corypheus to some extent, certainly once he acquired the orb, because he seemed far more reliant on that to channel his power and gradually seemed to have less and less direct influence as a result. However, perhaps the reason we see so little of him and only his minions for much of the game is that he had gone to ground somewhere to enter Uthenera, only emerging late on when they had failed him.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 6, 2024 8:56:17 GMT
The Qunari Rook hair gorgeous and it has hair physics too, I'm in love I wonder whether Taash story will have something to do with gender identity? Patrick Weekes refers to her as "she" and Corinne keep calling Taash "they". We also haven't heard her voice and she's being kept under wraps compared to other companions. I think we heard her voice in the release date trailer.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Sept 6, 2024 9:17:01 GMT
It's nice to see them taking this from andromeda with the found family.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 6, 2024 9:20:01 GMT
It's nice to see them taking this from andromeda with the found family. It was already like this in DA2. Aveline was the mom, Varric the dad and the rest the disaster kids.
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Post by merane on Sept 6, 2024 9:41:54 GMT
Also my dear sweet Solas. Solas: I'm going to destroy your World Inky, see ya. 10 years later Solas : I was not destroying the world, Rook !
Look man pick a side, make a choice, be clear, yeah? Do we really have to suffer this fool as an adviser? So glad they showed we can give back as good as we get from him, even if I don't think they do show his response. Honestly, he had multiple opportunities to say to his former colleagues that he wasn't trying to destroy the world and we weren't all going to die as a consequence of his plans. Why did he say what he did to the Inquisitor in Trespasser? Why didn't he correct Charter in Tevinter Nights? When he said the elves that remain may find the end result better than before, she took that to mean her human lover wouldn't survive. The reader also understood it that way. Then Varric is pleading with him and his only response is people die all the time.
Is it possible he is doing his damned equivocation again? No, he wasn't destroying the world but healing it. The fact that the healing process would kill countless millions of people doesn't take away from the fact that when it is over the world will be a better place. I suppose an appropriate analogy would be a cancer treatment. It kills the corrupted cells but also a fair few others as well in the process, although eventually the body as a whole will survive. So he wasn't destroying the world. I like your comparison with the cancer. This makes sense. To continue the comparison, many medicals treatments have bad sides and most medicines are also poisons like paracetamol (doliprane / tylenol). This could really make for a bittersweet ending to the game with no chance of truly healing the world without negatives consequences. I'm not totally convinced by the new style of the qunari. The forehead is way too smooth. I would have liked something rougher like in DA2. But at least my future lady qunari won't be bald . I hope the male rook can also enjoy this glorious long hair.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 11:22:15 GMT
I hope the male rook can also enjoy this glorious long hair. I'm counting on it. It should be possible to at least have it as long as Lucanis, so it flows around when you twirl, but in view of the latest examples I'm definitely hoping for at least shoulder length or longer on my male Rook.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 6, 2024 11:22:54 GMT
A few scattered thoughts: - That Qunari Rook looks way better than the one they were using the other day. Hair in this game continues to look incredible. - Actually, everything looks pretty incredible. I will always argue DA2 and DAI are nice good-looking games in most respects, but ten years of tech advancement has made Veilguard downright beautiful. - Speaking of beautiful things, Taash is gorgeous, glad we got to see more angles of her (them?) this time . - Playing Mage first, but I can't wait to give my dwarf Warrior a giant maul. Grey Warden smash!!! - Happy to see more Emmrich, too, and I'm charmed to hear that he's basically raising Manfred as his son. I still can't believe how dated Inquisition's graphics look now. It was quite beautiful when it launched. I still hink i tdoes tb h i fyou take awa ythe bad hair I doub tyou'd b eable to tell it's a decad eold Inquistion has aged prett ywell i nmy book. From what ew'v eseen from Veilguards graphics the ydon't look much different excep tfo rthe fact we have bette rhair this time hanks to the moe radvanced tech bein gused b yEA sports Fifa team. Which works ewll especially on femal echaractres an players. This is how it looks in Fifa
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 6, 2024 11:40:29 GMT
And Taash remains the only Kossith that doesn’t look like megamind. They had a great look in dragon age 2. I don’t know why they want them to look like human cos players so badly. Gameplay looks sharper. Hoping the companions have some bite to them. Please no more singing. Give me a Sten, Isabela, or a Zevran type. It's probab;ly possible to go down the route to make a male Qunar itha tlooks like the Arishok if you want that I know my Qunari mage I made has wha tI'd cala little bi tofa menacin gArishok look Worf 2016-05-14 17-18-59-02 by Steven Sharp, on Flickr No texactly lik ethe Arishok but I tried to get a similar interpretation of a look an dthis is what I came up with. I'm prett ysuer we'l lbe able to ge somwhere simila rif we tried. The onl ything with th eQunar imag ethe ywanted t otak ehim in a different direction
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 6, 2024 11:42:46 GMT
The Qunari Rook hair gorgeous and it has hair physics too, I'm in love I wonder whether Taash story will have something to do with gender identity? Patrick Weekes refers to her as "she" and Corinne keep calling Taash "they". We also haven't heard her voice and she's being kept under wraps compared to other companions. I think we heard her voice in the release date trailer. W edid we heardhe rsa y ewdraw hte dragon into the open then attack.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 6, 2024 11:45:56 GMT
The Qunari Rook hair is gorgeous and it has hair physics too, I'm in love I'd be curious what the character looked like before any adjustments were made
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Post by azarhal on Sept 6, 2024 12:51:27 GMT
Haven't saw anyone spot that. We got a new faction surnames: Mercar.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 13:09:16 GMT
Haven't saw anyone spot that. We got a new faction surnames: Mercar. Any idea which faction? I have to admit I'm not finding the surnames particularly inspiring: Thorne, Ingellvar and Mercar. The race names of DAI flowed off the tongue much better: Trevelyan, Lavellan, Adaar and Cadash. I'm going to miss them.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 13:36:21 GMT
Apparently, all the new Rooks we saw in that video were made by ING folks. So, it means that many new clips we saw were from their own playthroughs, and not just from curated footage they were handed by Bioware.
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Apparently, all the new Rooks we saw in that video were made by ING folks. So, it means that many new clips we saw were from their own playthroughs, and not just from curated footage they were handed by Bioware. I was going to say "so that's why she had wonky cheekbones from some angle.(cool looking otherwise) Player made character." But then there's Handsome Qunari who might be some default Rook made by the devs. Nevermind. Story spoiler below Davrin says Elgar'nan destroyed the world. So I guess the Evanuris gone wild was led by DaddyKewl. Not surprising, but did he take part in the whole murder Mythal plot?
Also when the Evanuris speak it goes straight to translation. Even if you don't speak elven. Strange. Harding points this out and dwarves are resistant to magic somewhat. (titans shenanigans aside) Wonder how it works. I think Em says they use memories?
Also looks like spirits are on the loose, but with the veil taking a beating this was expected.
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Apparently, all the new Rooks we saw in that video were made by ING folks. So, it means that many new clips we saw were from their own playthroughs, and not just from curated footage they were handed by Bioware. Well I will sa ythe femal erook tha twas jokin gwith Davrin looked kind of cute an dis probabl ythe kind of Rook I'd enjo ymaking. Obviously I'll need to play around with the CC t osee if I can bu twe'll see. But I ge the feeling I'm goin gt ob eplaying around wit hCC's a lot over the nex tlittle whie seeing as they've upgraded Fifa's CC this year as well among other things.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 14:34:38 GMT
Apparently, all the new Rooks we saw in that video were made by ING folks. So, it means that many new clips we saw were from their own playthroughs, and not just from curated footage they were handed by Bioware. I was going to say "so that's why she had wonky cheekbones from some angle.(cool looking otherwise) Player made character." But then there's Handsome Qunari who might be some default Rook made by the devs. Nevermind. I appear to be less bothered by that qunari than others I don't mind him at all - IMO he's supposed to be a soft, maybe even bookish mage, hence he looks different, especially when compared to the Qunari from the military branch (which Thedosians encounter most ferquently). Like... people who bring up the Qunari in DA2 seem to forget that all of those Qunari (of which I think there were maybe a model or two + Arishok) are members of the Antaam (even the Tal-Vashoth we can find around Kirkwall are usually deserters from Arishok's stranded crew), so of course they're buff and rugged. They've been bred and trained that way. And in last two videos from ING we already saw the Antaam Qunari in DAVe - and while they all wore face-covering helmets, they were also buff as heck. Given that he's seen as de-facto leader even by far-removed Dalish tales and rather overt parallels to Maferath and Flemeth's traitor hubby? (Flemythal even says "She was betrayed like I was betrayed")
I'd say that it's more than likely. Well, given how Fade is all about emotion and the insides of one's brain (outsides too, apparently, given how new demon design includes a glowing nervous system) they may as well be just "speaking directly into their brains" thus bypassing the need to translate.
And if anyone says - language isn't 1:1, it wouldn't work that way - well, magic and all. Also, probably shared ancestry of potentially all races, or more or less conscious connection to the Fade that familiarizes then with the language, even if subconsciously.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 6, 2024 14:48:24 GMT
Like... people who bring up the Qunari in DA2 seem to forget that all of those Qunari (of which I think there were maybe a model or two + Arishok) are members of the Antaam (even the Tal-Vashoth we can find around Kirkwall are usually deserters from Arishok's stranded crew), so of course they're buff and rugged. They've been bred and trained that way. And in last two videos from ING we already saw the Antaam Qunari in DAVe - and while they all wore face-covering helmets, they were also buff as heck. There was three Qunari face models in DA2: the Arishok, every other ones and Saarebas who was every other ones with a sewn mouth. DAVe Qunari looks a lot like DAI race selection card for the Qunari irc. And their big forhead everyone is complaining about is actually because their horns start from right above the eye similar to a few variety of bighorn sheep.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 6, 2024 14:55:29 GMT
DA2 qunari (the 2 head model DA2 had) were more looking like dragons with the black eyes, sharp teeth, the horns were lower, the forehead was quite wrinkled. I suspect it got changed in DAI because Qunari player were a last minute addition and they ditched a number of unique features to keep the cost low. Imho they were still the best model. Iron Bull looked ridiculous to me with his tiny head and Taash looks way way better.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 6, 2024 16:27:59 GMT
It's nice to see them taking this from andromeda with the found family. It was already like this in DA2. Aveline was the mom, Varric the dad and the rest the disaster kids.
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