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Post by roselavellan on Sept 6, 2024 17:24:00 GMT
DAVe Qunari looks a lot like DAI race selection card for the Qunari irc. And their big forhead everyone is complaining about is actually because their horns start from right above the eye similar to a few variety of bighorn sheep. Yes, the base of the horns are what makes the forehead so prominent. It does look strange to me because it makes the forehead look a little bulgy. Their horns seemed less prominent in DAI, and their foreheads shorter.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 17:46:52 GMT
DAVe Qunari looks a lot like DAI race selection card for the Qunari irc. And their big forhead everyone is complaining about is actually because their horns start from right above the eye similar to a few variety of bighorn sheep. Yes, the base of the horns are what makes the forehead so prominent. It does look strange to me because it makes the forehead look a little bulgy. Their horns seemed less prominent in DAI, and their foreheads shorter. I think it may depend on how big the horns are, or at least how wide the base is supposed to be and how they sit on the head? Because I think the most problem people have with the big forehead one Qunari Rook is not necessarily because the hairline may be pushed back, or because of the transition between skin and horn, but the place where horns sorta-kinda connect on forehead's tip is where there's a skin-covered bulge that can be so tall that it created a bump before the hairline starts. Well, we've seen from Taash that the hairline (or more like - the tuft of hair between horns) can be seen, and that other Rook we saw in ING video had a different shape (more V-shaped) of the bulge where the horns met.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 17:53:13 GMT
So when I read it earlier I didn't realize there was a video so made sure to watch the video. I rewatched it out of curiosity for some of the new scenes they depicted and saw something interesting relative to earlier discussions. After that throwaway line in an earlier trailer there was finally a scene with them fighting the Antaam. I assume it was in Treviso because the annoying "Butcher" was apparently droning on in the background like he does in As We Fly. I suppose he could have moved further on into Antiva but let's assume the short story was set not long before the start of the game.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 6, 2024 18:02:15 GMT
DAVe Qunari looks a lot like DAI race selection card for the Qunari irc. And their big forhead everyone is complaining about is actually because their horns start from right above the eye similar to a few variety of bighorn sheep. Yes, the base of the horns are what makes the forehead so prominent. It does look strange to me because it makes the forehead look a little bulgy. Their horns seemed less prominent in DAI, and their foreheads shorter. Amusingly, people are complaining about them looking to human and that's really what DAI were like, a normal head with horns added on top which gives them a U look. While in DAVe, it's actually closer to DA2 Arishok root shape, a V starting from near between the eyes. They just don't curve backward as fast as they do in DA2, the "forehead" isn't as textured (custom Qunary Lady is more textured than custom Qunari Lord) and there is a single set of horns (Arishok has at least 2 pairs of horns).
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 6, 2024 18:04:16 GMT
Because I think the most problem people have with the big forehead one Qunari Rook is not necessarily because the hairline may be pushed back, or because of the transition between skin and horn, but the place where horns sorta-kinda connect on forehead's tip is where there's a skin-covered bulge that can be so tall that it created a bump before the hairline starts. Well, we've seen from Taash the hairline, the hairline (or more like - the tuft of hair between horns) can be seen, and that other Rook we saw in ING video had a different shape (more V-shaped) of the bulge where the horns met. Maybe what they need to do is to tweak the CC so that they scale back the extremes of how much you can customise the size and position of the horns/forehead.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 6, 2024 18:06:23 GMT
Yes, the base of the horns are what makes the forehead so prominent. It does look strange to me because it makes the forehead look a little bulgy. Their horns seemed less prominent in DAI, and their foreheads shorter. Amusingly, people are complaining about them looking to human and that's really what DAI were like, a normal head with horns added on top which gives them a U look. While in DAVe, it's actually closer to DA2 Arishok root shape, a V starting from near between the eyes. They just don't curve backward as fast as they do in DA2, the "forehead" isn't as textured (custom Qunary Lady is more textured than custom Qunari Lord) and there is a single set of horns (Arishok has lat leat 2 pairs of horns). I was thinking about that too. I can understand disliking the smooth skin textures, I'm not crazy about them myself, but the distinct forehead shape and how the horns transition into their face feels less human compared to Inquisition.
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Post by marikahaliwell on Sept 7, 2024 10:23:30 GMT
I hope the male rook can also enjoy this glorious long hair. I'm counting on it. It should be possible to at least have it as long as Lucanis, so it flows around when you twirl, but in view of the latest examples I'm definitely hoping for at least shoulder length or longer on my male Rook. As a costume c dramas addicted , I greatly approve this 💕! Men with long hair look so heroic xd
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Post by merane on Sept 7, 2024 11:34:20 GMT
I'm counting on it. It should be possible to at least have it as long as Lucanis, so it flows around when you twirl, but in view of the latest examples I'm definitely hoping for at least shoulder length or longer on my male Rook. As a costume c dramas addicted , I greatly approve this 💕! Men with long hair look so heroic xd Men with some buns are pretty good too. Lucanis' concept art with a bun was nice, though I prefer him with his hair blowing in the wind. Nothing to do with the previous topic but I remember Emmerich talking about investigating the growing number of hauntings in Thedas. I loved the Onterre Castle quest in DAI, I hope we'll see that kind of quest and atmosphere again. Although I wouldn't mind something more elaborate with NPCs and cutscenes. I'd actually like both types. I'm ready to do my Winchester and take care of these hauntings .
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Post by merane on Sept 7, 2024 11:38:08 GMT
I forgot to add that it would be nice to have different types of quests depending on the companions' activities: ghost hunting for Emmerich, investigation with Neve, Witcher thing with Davrin, treasure hunt with Tash....
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 7, 2024 14:22:49 GMT
I forgot to add that it would be nice to have different types of quests depending on the companions' activities: ghost hunting for Emmerich, investigation with Neve, Witcher thing with Davrin, treasure hunt with Tash.... Based off the meter recording activities related to their professional lives on the recently released character screens, I think you are likely to get your wish. For example, Davrin has a meter related to him as a Monster Hunter, Neve has Minrathous Contacts, etc. They did say you might head off on one quest relating to Veilguard business and then run into a companion engaged in their own private work, in the case of the example given this was Neve following up on a lead in Minrathous. Then you can choose whether to make a detour to help them out. Presumably when the requisite number have been performed to fill up the meter either the companion or Rook, or both, get additional benefits.
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Post by merane on Sept 7, 2024 15:49:13 GMT
I forgot to add that it would be nice to have different types of quests depending on the companions' activities: ghost hunting for Emmerich, investigation with Neve, Witcher thing with Davrin, treasure hunt with Tash.... Based off the meter recording activities related to their professional lives on the recently released character screens, I think you are likely to get your wish. For example, Davrin has a meter related to him as a Monster Hunter, Neve has Minrathous Contacts, etc. They did say you might head off on one quest relating to Veilguard business and then run into a companion engaged in their own private work, in the case of the example given this was Neve following up on a lead in Minrathous. Then you can choose whether to make a detour to help them out. Presumably when the requisite number have been performed to fill up the meter either the companion or Rook, or both, get additional benefits. Thanks for the info, I didn't notice that details on their character sheet. I just rewatched the video and it's not even like it's written in tiny print .
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Post by Reznore on Sept 7, 2024 20:12:21 GMT
Blight spoiler The elf trapped in Blight and tentacles said he heard his "gods" and it seems the darkspawn answer the call of the Evanuris, + Epler said the Blight behaved in a different manner because there's an intelligent design behind it.
So are the Evanuris "singing" ? By singing I don't mean the fools going "the dawn will come" around a blighted campfire. I mean spellcasting a geas. If so why do the Archdemon acts as beacon?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 7, 2024 20:30:40 GMT
I'm counting on it. It should be possible to at least have it as long as Lucanis, so it flows around when you twirl, but in view of the latest examples I'm definitely hoping for at least shoulder length or longer on my male Rook. As a costume c dramas addicted , I greatly approve this 💕! Men with long hair look so heroic xd I kind fee lthe sam ewa yabout females reallywhich is wh yI'm going for a Buffy/Supergirl look for m yfirs tRook as that's th elook like m yheroes t ohave. I thin kit stems bac kt owhen I used t owatc hcarton slik eHe man an dShe ra back when I was growing up.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 8, 2024 7:51:10 GMT
Blight spoiler The elf trapped in Blight and tentacles said he heard his "gods" and it seems the darkspawn answer the call of the Evanuris, + Epler said the Blight behaved in a different manner because there's an intelligent design behind it.
So are the Evanuris "singing" ? By singing I don't mean the fools going "the dawn will come" around a blighted campfire. I mean spellcasting a geas. If so why do the Archdemon acts as beacon? Because I think that is exactly what they were. Or better put maybe a conduit between them and the Darkspawn. An amplifier.
It would seem to me that the initial song that the Darkspawn follow are probably the Evanuris calling out to them. Trying to reach out and get the world blighted because the blight, at least if I am rememebering things correctly, weakens the Veil and they also have their own agenda to Blight the world anyways...so it would seem. So they call out to the Darkspawn and then have them unearth the Old Gods, the Old Gods turn into Archdemons and become their generals, leading them in a Blight all in an effort to get them out. The Old Gods aren't the originators of the message.
Mind you unless there is someething else in the deep that is also trying to get free.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 8, 2024 8:21:46 GMT
Blight spoiler The elf trapped in Blight and tentacles said he heard his "gods" and it seems the darkspawn answer the call of the Evanuris, + Epler said the Blight behaved in a different manner because there's an intelligent design behind it.
So are the Evanuris "singing" ? By singing I don't mean the fools going "the dawn will come" around a blighted campfire. I mean spellcasting a geas. If so why do the Archdemon acts as beacon? Because I think that is exactly what they were. Or better put maybe a conduit between them and the Darkspawn. An amplifier.
It would seem to me that the initial song that the Darkspawn follow are probably the Evanuris calling out to them. Trying to reach out and get the world blighted because the blight, at least if I am rememebering things correctly, weakens the Veil and they also have their own agenda to Blight the world anyways...so it would seem. So they call out to the Darkspawn and then have them unearth the Old Gods, the Old Gods turn into Archdemons and become their generals, leading them in a Blight all in an effort to get them out. The Old Gods aren't the originators of the message.
Mind you unless there is someething else in the deep that is also trying to get free. I think that is a reasonable explanation; even before knowing about the Evanuris and the connection with the Blight, it seemed likely that the Old Gods weren't the originators of the message or the 'song', because they aren't corrupted and tainted until the darkspawn find them.
I'm very curious to know *what* exactly the Old Gods are, though. There's little doubt in my mind that they're connected with elven lore/Evanuris, but I do wonder if they're a distorted version of the Forgotten Ones, just like the Evanuris are a distorted version of the benign elven Gods the dalish venerate.
If the idea of the Evanuris was in place since Origins, it seems possible that the tales of the Chantry and the Dalish are connect and distorted version of the same truth.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 8, 2024 9:25:42 GMT
Not really a lot to take away from here either other then it looks very good and continue to look good. He found some small infos in it:
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 8, 2024 13:37:20 GMT
Blight spoiler The elf trapped in Blight and tentacles said he heard his "gods" and it seems the darkspawn answer the call of the Evanuris, + Epler said the Blight behaved in a different manner because there's an intelligent design behind it.
So are the Evanuris "singing" ? By singing I don't mean the fools going "the dawn will come" around a blighted campfire. I mean spellcasting a geas. If so why do the Archdemon acts as beacon? I have this vision now of Elgar'nan and Ghil sitting round the camp fire leading the chorus. Or even better, they found Cory in the Fade and he can conduct it. The Architect and the other surviving Magister Sidereal are there providing the harmonies. It is hardly surprising the darkspawn respond to them if they are also blighted. They were attracted to Cory's prison. The only oddity was that the false Calling in DAI didn't have them swarming to the surface but presumably the real Calling of the remaining Old Gods was stronger in their minds, even if the stupid Wardens couldn't tell the difference.
As for the elf, could the vallaslin have anything to do with it? Can't remember, did he have vallaslin and if so, which one?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 8, 2024 13:45:20 GMT
Just spotted something else about that: The elf she was speaking to, Jahel, was wearing an amulet or had a piece of metal welded into his armour that was a triangle with an eye in the centre. I think there is more to this than them being simply Dalish. Those triangles are significant and I think point towards them being a group of ancient elves with a devotion to the Evanuris, possibly linked to the Executors and Ghil's weird monster pools.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 8, 2024 14:39:39 GMT
And Taash remains the only Kossith that doesn’t look like megamind. They had a great look in dragon age 2. I don’t know why they want them to look like human cos players so badly. Gameplay looks sharper. Hoping the companions have some bite to them. Please no more singing. Give me a Sten, Isabela, or a Zevran type. Every time a fan calls a (Tal-) Vashoth grey one a "kossith", a David Gaider loses its wings.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 8, 2024 16:08:44 GMT
Because I think that is exactly what they were. Or better put maybe a conduit between them and the Darkspawn. An amplifier.
It would seem to me that the initial song that the Darkspawn follow are probably the Evanuris calling out to them. Trying to reach out and get the world blighted because the blight, at least if I am rememebering things correctly, weakens the Veil and they also have their own agenda to Blight the world anyways...so it would seem. So they call out to the Darkspawn and then have them unearth the Old Gods, the Old Gods turn into Archdemons and become their generals, leading them in a Blight all in an effort to get them out. The Old Gods aren't the originators of the message.
Mind you unless there is someething else in the deep that is also trying to get free. I think that is a reasonable explanation; even before knowing about the Evanuris and the connection with the Blight, it seemed likely that the Old Gods weren't the originators of the message or the 'song', because they aren't corrupted and tainted until the darkspawn find them.
I'm very curious to know *what* exactly the Old Gods are, though. There's little doubt in my mind that they're connected with elven lore/Evanuris, but I do wonder if they're a distorted version of the Forgotten Ones, just like the Evanuris are a distorted version of the benign elven Gods the dalish venerate.
If the idea of the Evanuris was in place since Origins, it seems possible that the tales of the Chantry and the Dalish are connect and distorted version of the same truth. It could be as simple as Tevinter pulling a Roman Empire move and culturally appropriated the Elven gods for themselves and renamed hem after they took over elven lands. The belief that the are the dragons trapped underground might have been a post-1st Blight addition by Andrastians cults/Chantry to match events.
What I do believe is that the Evanuris used the Calling to direct darkspawns to those dragons, corrupt them so that they can then hop into them to escape their Fade prison (or at least assume direct control of the dragon). but the wifi isn't very good from their Fade prison.
Now that they are out and about, it's way easier and Ghili is just "look how generous I am, I spent the last few thousand years improving darkspawn reproduction efficiency, Blight pods for everyone!!!"
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 9, 2024 7:25:25 GMT
The belief that the are the dragons trapped underground might have been a post-1st Blight addition by Andrastians cults/Chantry to match events. The memory in the Fade in DAI contradicts this idea. There a worshiper of the Old Gods was speaking at the start of the First Blight: I made the expected offerings this morning, but the gods remained silent. The priests are frightened. All of Tevinter is frightened. Our gods have led our people for centuries. Now, they have gone still. Are we alone here in this world, no better than the savages to the south who beg for guidance from spirits? And what of the strange creatures who come from underground, like our friends the dwarves? These spawn of the darkness and the plague they carry... Why do our gods not protect us from this?
Now the ground shakes. The statue cuts my hand as I fall against it. A great roar sounds. It is massive, shaking the temple market, and I see the silhouette cut the sky. It is a dragon. No, it is Dumat! I have made the offerings so many times—his form is as familiar as my own hand. He has returned in glory to destroy these darkspawn that threaten us, to lead Tevinter back to an age of glory and wonder!
But no, his scales are sickly and mottled, his form twisted and corrupt, like the darkspawn themselves. He opens his great maw, and fire billows forth, igniting the market.
The flames rush toward me.
What did we do wrong?Now after reading this I questioned exactly how the worshiper knew it was Dumat if he had been imprisoned underground all this time? Presumably either because Dumat revealed himself in dreams or they found old pictures of dragons and assumed they were of the gods. Probably the former because the worshiper definitely recognises it as Dumat, not some regular dragon, perhaps because of the size or some other identifying feature. Also, note they were aware of the Avvar/Alamaari religion and that they spoke with spirits that were their gods, so clearly this worshiper thought his gods were something more than this. Anyway, it definitely wasn't propaganda by either Hessarian or the Chantry that suggested the Arch-demon that arose during the First Blight was Dumat according to this memory. I've also questioned how they knew the identity of subsequent Arch-demons. Presumably the same way that the worshiper knew it was Dumat, except by the time of the later Blights Old God worship had been suppressed and their temples re-purposed so perhaps it was some different method of identification. The best I could come up with was that perhaps it was the Grey Wardens who were identifying them. That wouldn't be the case with the First Blight because they weren't founded until it had been going for 100 years but it could be the case with subsequent Blights. Of course there is no guarantee that the writers are going to have respected earlier lore if it got in the way of the story they wanted to tell. Since the link between Old Gods and the Evanuris was speculated on from the beginning by fans and even hinted at as far back as DA2 in the conversation between Sebastian and Merrill, clearly they were always intended to be related in some way. The current narrative just seems to be taking it to another level but likely there will still be big question marks over how it all fits with past lore, even allowing for Chantry dogma and biased/uninformed narrators. I suspect they won't bother joining the dots too much and players are just going to have accept it for what it is going forward.
I still want to know why the gods fell silent when the Magisters invaded the Black City. Was it that having achieved their objective of freeing the darkspawn they had no further need of the human wizards? If the Old Gods and the Evanuris were one and the same, why did they speak to the human mages and not elven ones? Clearly, plenty of their supporters survived up in the Arlathan Forest before the conflict with the Imperium. Why did they first fall silent on them? Just one of many questions that I doubt will ever be answered, unless Solas gives us some insights, or the memories in the Fade do, which is a possibility.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 9, 2024 10:53:49 GMT
The belief that the are the dragons trapped underground might have been a post-1st Blight addition by Andrastians cults/Chantry to match events. The memory in the Fade in DAI contradicts this idea. There a worshiper of the Old Gods was speaking at the start of the First Blight: I made the expected offerings this morning, but the gods remained silent. The priests are frightened. All of Tevinter is frightened. Our gods have led our people for centuries. Now, they have gone still. Are we alone here in this world, no better than the savages to the south who beg for guidance from spirits? And what of the strange creatures who come from underground, like our friends the dwarves? These spawn of the darkness and the plague they carry... Why do our gods not protect us from this?
Now the ground shakes. The statue cuts my hand as I fall against it. A great roar sounds. It is massive, shaking the temple market, and I see the silhouette cut the sky. It is a dragon. No, it is Dumat! I have made the offerings so many times—his form is as familiar as my own hand. He has returned in glory to destroy these darkspawn that threaten us, to lead Tevinter back to an age of glory and wonder!
But no, his scales are sickly and mottled, his form twisted and corrupt, like the darkspawn themselves. He opens his great maw, and fire billows forth, igniting the market.
The flames rush toward me.
What did we do wrong?Now after reading this I questioned exactly how the worshiper knew it was Dumat if he had been imprisoned underground all this time? Presumably either because Dumat revealed himself in dreams or they found old pictures of dragons and assumed they were of the gods. Probably the former because the worshiper definitely recognises it as Dumat, not some regular dragon, perhaps because of the size or some other identifying feature. Also, note they were aware of the Avvar/Alamaari religion and that they spoke with spirits that were their gods, so clearly this worshiper thought his gods were something more than this. .... It says nowhere in what you quoted that those people believed Dumat was trapped underground which is the part I'm saying was a post-1st Blight addition.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 9, 2024 11:05:09 GMT
It says nowhere in what you quoted that those people believed Dumat was trapped underground which is the part I'm saying was a post-1st Blight addition. They thought their gods were in the Golden City. "I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty."- Corydelulu. I assume they saw dragons in their dreams, because the Evanuris wouldn't have shown themselves as elves. Tevinter was looking down on elves. I doubt they thought they were actual dragons in the Golden City.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 9, 2024 11:06:46 GMT
It says nowhere in what you quoted that those people believed Dumat was trapped underground which is the part I'm saying was a post-1st Blight addition. They thought their gods were in the Golden City. "I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty."- Corydelulu. I assume they saw dragons in their dreams, because the Evanuris wouldn't have shown themselves as elves. Tevinter was looking down on elves. I doubt they thought they were actual dragons in the Golden City. Think the Tevinters started worshipping dragon gods and then the Evanuris who already started to look like gods started aping them. Mind you it does not explain everything but then maybe azarhal's theory might explain part of it.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 9, 2024 14:17:54 GMT
It says nowhere in what you quoted that those people believed Dumat was trapped underground which is the part I'm saying was a post-1st Blight addition. They thought their gods were in the Golden City. "I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty."- Corydelulu. I assume they saw dragons in their dreams, because the Evanuris wouldn't have shown themselves as elves. Tevinter was looking down on elves. I doubt they thought they were actual dragons in the Golden City. I knew there was somehing from Corypheus that showed he didn't worship a dragon underground, but it didn't came to my mind and didn't bother go look for it. So thanks. It very much support what I'm saying: ancient Tevinter didn't think their gods were trapped underground. That wasn't a part of their dogma. And Corydelulu is an interesting take on his name. They thought their gods were in the Golden City. "I have seen the throne of the gods and it was empty."- Corydelulu. I assume they saw dragons in their dreams, because the Evanuris wouldn't have shown themselves as elves. Tevinter was looking down on elves. I doubt they thought they were actual dragons in the Golden City. Think the Tevinters started worshipping dragon gods and then the Evanuris who already started to look like gods started aping them. Mind you it does not explain everything but then maybe azarhal's theory might explain part of it. The timeline gives only 300 years between the humans "arriving" and them hearing the whispers from the Golden City. But, it took another ~1200-1600 years before the old gods cult became popular and proto-Tevinter became the actual Tevinter Imperium every crazy blood mages wants to return to. And by that point, they haven't even tried to take over Arlathan yet. That's another ~200 years later.
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