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Post by ergates on Sept 23, 2024 13:38:12 GMT
I'm afraid I may be responsible for this post, and I apologise.
Among the solid, impenetrable wall of pure hate, relentless trolling, Incels, racists, bigots, homophobes and far right culture war grifters on the Steam forums are a small handful of decent people who actually want to talk about Veilguard.
I made the mistake of mentioning that this forum is a decent place to discuss the game - and it seems I was listened to - but listened to by the wrong people.
Now they're here.
I guess it was only a matter of time, before they discovered these boards and came here armed with barrels full of poison.
Either way I am truly sorry. I should have kept the secret.
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Post by MeadKnight on Sept 23, 2024 13:43:02 GMT
I'm afraid I may be responsible for this post, and I apologise. Among the solid, impenetrable wall of pure hate, relentless trolling, Incels, racists, bigots, homophobes and far right culture war grifters on the Steam forums are a small handful of decent people who actually want to talk about Veilguard. I made the mistake of mentioning that this forum is a decent place to discuss the game - and it seems I was listened to - but listened to by the wrong people. Now they're here. I guess it was only a matter of time, before they discovered these boards and came here armed with barrels full of poison. Either way I am truly sorry. I should have kept the secret.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 23, 2024 14:15:43 GMT
*reads 10 pages of thread while eating popcorn*
There's more drama in this thread than a drama TV show.
*Continues to eat popcorn* 🍿😋
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 23, 2024 14:40:51 GMT
The wokes oppressed the male bodies. I'm on like my 3rd Bingo card at this point, you couldn't script this shit more perfectly
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 23, 2024 14:46:58 GMT
A woman's femininity is defined by her breast and butt size. Yes I'm a GamerTM, why do you ask Lol if you want me to explain to you how fallacies actually work and how to properly identify them, LMK. You are having real difficulty here. Its amusing, but maybe not so fun for you. Or maybe this is a bit for the comedic amusement of the rest of us, in which case your sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 23, 2024 14:50:08 GMT
Gotta love me some threads with enough bad faith nonsense to start more than one new cult at the same time.
Keep going.
Or don't.
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 23, 2024 14:55:02 GMT
While it's expected that there won't always be options for everything, people simply asking for more in a CC with body sliders, shouldn't cause such an outrage. Must have missed the person who got outraged, lots of mockery though. Some certainly fair and earned, but always have to be careful not to paint with too broad a brush- a good point you raised earlier. Some people asking for the same thing, but for VERY different reasons, and those reasons are not necessarily created equal. Absolutely here for CC options representing as wide a range of body types as possible. But not much sympathy for the "Cassandra man, need moar boob" crowd, though, despite the Boy Who Cried Strawman shtick
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 23, 2024 16:51:53 GMT
I can’t still see she has a b cup at best and didn't change much. I think this is a C cub and not B. But okay.
edit:
Willing to bet that this complaint is based on an elf with one of the thin body preset bases.
Most complains comes from the IGN video. And they only complain because of what the person said.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 23, 2024 16:56:38 GMT
Limitations? Are there other games that have a character creator that let the player adjust the body of a character more than what is seen in Veilguard? Dragon's Dogma 2. You can even adjust every tooth and the walk cycles. But that game let you pay extra for things. And that is the way they get the resources for such a cc.
Edit: nobody gets grumpy. Until the moment people were ask to pay extra.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 23, 2024 17:00:44 GMT
I feel like if people simply asked for more choices then there would be less push back agaisnt it.
Well, ok then, lets make that clean and official. I, a long time fan of Bioware games, am unhappy with the CC shown in the pre-release video and hereby request more options regarding the ''bottom'' slider sizes.
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Post by Carcharoth on Sept 23, 2024 17:15:12 GMT
Dragon's Dogma 2. You can even adjust every tooth and the walk cycles. But that game let you pay extra for things. And that is the way they get the resources for such a cc. A bunch or rift crystals you will have enough of by just getting your pawn rented a few times, a few items you'll find by exploring and looting or buying with the rift crystals, a bunch of wakestones that I already have too many of and a music collection that would be worth it if the soundtrack was as good as the previous game's. It's a Capcom game. No one is buying this stuff and they know it.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 23, 2024 17:15:19 GMT
I'm afraid I may be responsible for this post, and I apologise. Among the solid, impenetrable wall of pure hate, relentless trolling, Incels, racists, bigots, homophobes and far right culture war grifters on the Steam forums are a small handful of decent people who actually want to talk about Veilguard. I made the mistake of mentioning that this forum is a decent place to discuss the game - and it seems I was listened to - but listened to by the wrong people. Now they're here. I guess it was only a matter of time, before they discovered these boards and came here armed with barrels full of poison. Either way I am truly sorry. I should have kept the secret. You wasn't the only one. I mentioned it as well. And i am sorry for the mods, but i don't think this post is a bad idea. More opinions allways helps. But we need to learn to react calm. And to be nice to each other.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 23, 2024 17:17:00 GMT
But that game let you pay extra for things. And that is the way they get the resources for such a cc. I mean yes, there is stupid stuff available for real money. All those items and services are available ingame for ingame currency as well. No need to spend extra money.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 23, 2024 17:19:32 GMT
I feel like if people simply asked for more choices then there would be less push back agaisnt it.
Well, ok then, lets make that clean and official. I, a long time fan of Bioware games, am unhappy with the CC shown in the pre-release video and hereby request more options regarding the ''bottom'' slider sizes. Thank you. This will work. And i understand what you mean. As i said: i think Bioware have a reason for this. And this time it isn't a lore reason.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Sept 23, 2024 17:33:04 GMT
Bah i care not for curviture...........BEARDS! i demand a plethora of facial delights!
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 23, 2024 17:41:25 GMT
It's actually incredibly funny that people hail the BG3 character creator as an amazing one when without mods it has like 7 options of ugly for most races and it only has 2 body types per gender and that's it. People also had to download mods to give themselves different body types than the default.
Granted the strong male one is an absolute pleasure to look at and I would not have it any other way. *dreams wistfully of my Human Paladin*
Of course he suffered from "sameface" as many other characters in the setting, like Rugan. I wore it better though.
Anyway, people haven't even *seen* the full scope of the character creator and already are complaining about lack of options that *they* want when we've already seen some pretty good looking Rooks.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 23, 2024 17:41:57 GMT
Bah i care not for curviture...........BEARDS! i demand a plethora of facial delights! The ones I've seen are pretty good. There's even very good depictions of "stubbles" which is what I personally prefer.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2024 18:50:24 GMT
Anyway, people haven't even *seen* the full scope of the character creator and already are complaining about lack of options that *they* want when we've already seen some pretty good looking Rooks. HOW DARE people want options! Don't they know they should just consume product!?
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Post by dagless on Sept 23, 2024 19:14:07 GMT
Anyway, people haven't even *seen* the full scope of the character creator and already are complaining about lack of options that *they* want when we've already seen some pretty good looking Rooks. HOW DARE people want options! Don't they know they should just consume product!? Depends if they ask nicely or a have big whinge about how Bioware hates them.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2024 19:16:33 GMT
HOW DARE people want options! Don't they know they should just consume product!? Depends if they ask nicely or a have big whinge about how Bioware hates them. Most of what I've seen here is "You want female character with curves? You must be a pervert"
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 23, 2024 19:24:13 GMT
I came across the Withers mod Big Naturals and the Cameo his VA did regarding said mod on Tumblr... Needless to say, it brought to mind this thread 🤭
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Post by dagless on Sept 23, 2024 19:32:48 GMT
Depends if they ask nicely or a have big whinge about how Bioware hates them. Most of what I've seen here is "You want female character with curves? You must be a pervert" Not from me.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 23, 2024 20:06:33 GMT
Isn't this whole conversation about proportions really? It's not that we don't have an option for glute and breast sizes. People just want them to be more pronounced. I'm fine either way, since I've played plenty of RPGs that makes these sliders produce some fairly ridiculous results (hell, the older Saints Row games were absolutely absurd).
One thing I've always noticed in the criticisms of these sliders (specifically - their lack of 'impact') is that people constantly pull up the picture of the female elf, which is odd because Elves in the DA universe are typically lithe and thin. I'm sure there are standouts with more curves, but they tend to be outside of the norm.
Not sure if its a technical limitation or resource investment issue for BioWare, but maybe a compromise would be to just give people more pronounced effects for these sliders, but put up a small disclaimer saying, 'Larger proportions may cause clipping." That might seem absurd, but I recently saw an image showing the Transmog screen, and there was flavor text at the bottom of one outfits tooltip saying something to the effect of, "Apparel being worn may cause clipping issues during gameplay and cinematics."
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2024 20:57:40 GMT
Willing to bet that this complaint is based on an elf with one of the thin body preset bases.
Most complains comes from the IGN video. And they only complain because of what the person said.
Is that the one with the Qunari?
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Post by dagless on Sept 23, 2024 20:58:37 GMT
Isn't this whole conversation about proportions really? It's not that we don't have an option for glute and breast sizes. People just want them to be more pronounced. I'm fine either way, since I've played plenty of RPGs that makes these sliders produce some fairly ridiculous results (hell, the older Saints Row games were absolutely absurd). One thing I've always noticed in the criticisms of these sliders (specifically - their lack of 'impact') is that people constantly pull up the picture of the female elf, which is odd because Elves in the DA universe are typically lithe and thin. I'm sure there are standouts with more curves, but they tend to be outside of the norm. Not sure if its a technical limitation or resource investment issue for BioWare, but maybe a compromise would be to just give people more pronounced effects for these sliders, but put up a small disclaimer saying, 'Larger proportions may cause clipping." That might seem absurd, but I recently saw an image showing the Transmog screen, and there was flavor text at the bottom of one outfits tooltip saying something to the effect of, "Apparel being worn may cause clipping issues during gameplay and cinematics." Interesting idea. But if they did something like that, it shouldn’t be a small disclaimer, but a massive flashing one with a loud klaxon: “Warning! You can have big tits, but it will break the character model and make your sexy time cut scenes look like crap. Are you really really sure?” If that is the reason, and I think it probably is, it might be simpler just to say so. Or they could just ignore it and hope it all goes away.
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