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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 23, 2024 21:30:57 GMT
Isn't this whole conversation about proportions really? It's not that we don't have an option for glute and breast sizes. People just want them to be more pronounced. I'm fine either way, since I've played plenty of RPGs that makes these sliders produce some fairly ridiculous results (hell, the older Saints Row games were absolutely absurd). One thing I've always noticed in the criticisms of these sliders (specifically - their lack of 'impact') is that people constantly pull up the picture of the female elf, which is odd because Elves in the DA universe are typically lithe and thin. I'm sure there are standouts with more curves, but they tend to be outside of the norm. Not sure if its a technical limitation or resource investment issue for BioWare, but maybe a compromise would be to just give people more pronounced effects for these sliders, but put up a small disclaimer saying, 'Larger proportions may cause clipping." That might seem absurd, but I recently saw an image showing the Transmog screen, and there was flavor text at the bottom of one outfits tooltip saying something to the effect of, "Apparel being worn may cause clipping issues during gameplay and cinematics." Interesting idea. But if they did something like that, it shouldn’t be a small disclaimer, but a massive flashing one with a loud klaxon: “Warning! You can have big tits, but it will break the character model and make your sexy time cut scenes look like crap. Are you really really sure?” If that is the reason, and I think it probably is, it might be simpler just to say so. Or they could just ignore it and hope it all goes away. I don't think this is a big enough issue for them to really care or do anything about it either way. They obviously are trying to be inclusive and flexible with CC options. In practice that will always have limitations. Not being able to push these options to the extremes some way wish for is almost certainly not going to have significant effects on sales, reviews, etc. Would it be ideal if you could make literally any character you like? Absolutely. But no game has that, or is likely to anytime soon.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 23, 2024 21:35:25 GMT
Depends if they ask nicely or a have big whinge about how Bioware hates them. Most of what I've seen here is "You want female character with curves? You must be a pervert" With a healthy dash of "western developers", "surgical scars" and my favorite one: "Mutilation."
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2024 23:01:26 GMT
Most of what I've seen here is "You want female character with curves? You must be a pervert" With a healthy dash of "western developers", "surgical scars" and my favorite one: "Mutilation." I must say beyond the first page I'm not seeing much of that outside of accusations of such sentiments.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 23, 2024 23:02:01 GMT
Anyway, people haven't even *seen* the full scope of the character creator and already are complaining about lack of options that *they* want when we've already seen some pretty good looking Rooks. HOW DARE people want options! Don't they know they should just consume product!? Reading comprehension is hard.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 23, 2024 23:05:52 GMT
I want massive shoulders on my men. I want them to be buff af. I want them to have thighs so thick they can destroy melons.
I haven't seen a single male human that fits these requirements in the promotional material and in the few videos I've seen. BioWare must fucking hate me.
PREORDER CANCELLED. I will not consume a product because I have not seen the contents of the product. I will rely on random people on the internet to shape my perspective on things. I will not wait to see it for myself before passing judgement. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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This is how you sound to me btw.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 23, 2024 23:08:48 GMT
I'm curious, where is this meme from?
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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 23, 2024 23:24:13 GMT
I want massive shoulders on my men. I want them to be buff af. I want them to have thighs so thick they can destroy melons. I haven't seen a single male human that fits these requirements in the promotional material and in the few videos I've seen. BioWare must fucking hate me. PREORDER CANCELLED. I will not consume a product because I have not seen the contents of the product. I will rely on random people on the internet to shape my perspective on things. I will not wait to see it for myself before passing judgement. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE --- This is how you sound to me btw. Well there's your problem, you're wanting to play as a human. If you want to play a man, play a Dwarf.
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Post by dagless on Sept 23, 2024 23:36:40 GMT
Well there's your problem, you're wanting to play as a human. If you want to play a man, play a Dwarf. Do dwarfs have good options for shoulder and back hair? Bear pride forever.
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Post by Syv on Sept 23, 2024 23:38:42 GMT
PREORDER CANCELLED. I will not consume a product because I have not seen the contents of the product. I will rely on random people on the internet to shape my perspective on things. I will not wait to see it for myself before passing judgement. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE There are plenty of videos on youtube, from male and female reviewers being unhappy with the limitations of the sliders for the curves, you just have to watch their content, no need to rely on them. They max out the different sliders and we can see. The CC after release will be exactly like what we see with the videos, it won't be any different. To be honest, the limitation of sliders for the chest and the ass is so ridiculous that the CC is massively mocked on youtube. It's kinda difficult to not fall on them even if you are just looking for informative dragon age videos like I did.
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Post by Guardian on Sept 23, 2024 23:39:27 GMT
I'm afraid I may be responsible for this post, and I apologise. Among the solid, impenetrable wall of pure hate, relentless trolling, Incels, racists, bigots, homophobes and far right culture war grifters on the Steam forums are a small handful of decent people who actually want to talk about Veilguard. I made the mistake of mentioning that this forum is a decent place to discuss the game - and it seems I was listened to - but listened to by the wrong people. Now they're here. I guess it was only a matter of time, before they discovered these boards and came here armed with barrels full of poison. Either way I am truly sorry. I should have kept the secret. You wasn't the only one. I mentioned it as well. And i am sorry for the mods, but i don't think this post is a bad idea. More opinions allways helps. But we need to learn to react calm. And to be nice to each other.
You're both not at fault for this. Outside of a few that are on both sides of the argument trying to be super troll-y and argumentative, there are many here debating in good faith.
Everyone needs to learn how to react calmly, be respectful and nice to each other. The troll posts on both sides aren't helping.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 23, 2024 23:40:32 GMT
PREORDER CANCELLED. I will not consume a product because I have not seen the contents of the product. I will rely on random people on the internet to shape my perspective on things. I will not wait to see it for myself before passing judgement. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE There are plenty of videos on youtube, from male and female reviewers being unhappy with the limitations of the sliders for the curves, you just have to watch their content, no need to rely on them. They max out the different sliders and we can see. The CC after release will be exactly like what we see with the videos, it won't be any different. To be honest, the limitation of sliders for the chest and the ass is so ridiculous that the CC is massively mocked on youtube. It's kinda difficult to not fall on them even if you are just looking for informative videos like I did. I've seen these videos and most of them are basing their complaints on a skinny small preset of an elf. Have elves ever been bootylicious in DA? Actually they can be in DAV. One person shared a pic of an elf with big child bearing hips yall want.
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Post by Syv on Sept 23, 2024 23:44:41 GMT
There are plenty of videos on youtube, from male and female reviewers being unhappy with the limitations of the sliders for the curves, you just have to watch their content, no need to rely on them. They max out the different sliders and we can see. The CC after release will be exactly like what we see with the videos, it won't be any different. To be honest, the limitation of sliders for the chest and the ass is so ridiculous that the CC is massively mocked on youtube. It's kinda difficult to not fall on them even if you are just looking for informative videos like I did. I've seen these videos and most of them are basing their complaints on a skinny small preset of an elf. Have elves ever been bootylicious in DA? Actually they can be I'm DAV. One person shared a pic of an elf with big child bearing hips yall want. I've seen the exact same thing with female Qunari, race doesn't seem to matter. The reviewer tried to mx out the chest and the ass, it was the same as the elf. I haven't seen for the dwarf and the human though. Yeah, you can make wide hips.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 23, 2024 23:44:43 GMT
I want massive shoulders on my men. I want them to be buff af. I want them to have thighs so thick they can destroy melons. I haven't seen a single male human that fits these requirements in the promotional material and in the few videos I've seen. BioWare must fucking hate me. PREORDER CANCELLED. I will not consume a product because I have not seen the contents of the product. I will rely on random people on the internet to shape my perspective on things. I will not wait to see it for myself before passing judgement. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE --- This is how you sound to me btw. Well there's your problem, you're wanting to play as a human. If you want to play a man, play a Dwarf. No thanks I don't play short kings
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 23, 2024 23:45:50 GMT
I've seen these videos and most of them are basing their complaints on a skinny small preset of an elf. Have elves ever been bootylicious in DA? Actually they can be I'm DAV. One person shared a pic of an elf with big child bearing hips yall want. I've seen the exact same thing with female Qunari, race doesn't seem to matter. The reviewer tried to mx out the chest and the ass, it was the same as the elf. I haven't seen for the dwarf and the human though. Yeah, you can make wide hips. Do you have confirmation that body presets do not influence sliders?
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Post by Carcharoth on Sept 23, 2024 23:50:03 GMT
I'm curious, where is this meme from? The gif is from the Halo 2 remaster. The phrase is from the ancient days of the internet, before recorded meme history.
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Post by Syv on Sept 24, 2024 0:03:56 GMT
I've seen the exact same thing with female Qunari, race doesn't seem to matter. The reviewer tried to mx out the chest and the ass, it was the same as the elf. I haven't seen for the dwarf and the human though. Yeah, you can make wide hips. Do you have confirmation that body presets do not influence sliders? Nope. However a french reviewer who is not into politics specifically made a video to point out the fact that it was impossible to create a sexually appealing character ( meaning curvy I think ), that the game was purposely made that way and how it seemed problematic to him. Which was surprising coming from him, he doesn't make that type of comment usually. And a few female reviewers seemed unhappy too and said they couldn't create a character like them, which means they tried. I mean, I'd be surprised that so many reviewers couldn't succeed such thing. But we'll see, it remains one month and one week anyway.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 24, 2024 0:08:07 GMT
You know there is some irony that not only has this thread lasted eleven pages...well done everyone, seriously....but also that the same people who are complaining about not having enough options are also doing a lot of complaining about not having the breast surgery scars, IE a different set of options. Like I get it but there are also a lot of reasons those would exist in setting beyond just the trans issue.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 24, 2024 0:27:10 GMT
I found this thread by looking to see if anyone had commented on it yet. Yes, the boobs look weird to me, and to my non-gamer wife. It's not just the boobs, though.
The body proportions look weird. Everyone has big heads and odd proportions. I've only seen female characters in the CC, but I'm expecting the males to look odd, as well. Everyone just looks a little stubby, oddly proportioned, and fat-headed, with narrow, rounded shoulders. It's an interesting stylistic choice. I doubt I'll ever love it, but the CC looks really cool in other ways.
I'm excited to play the game. I have some gripes, with weird boobs being the least important among them, but overall this game looks like it's going to be a good one.
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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 24, 2024 0:33:43 GMT
Well there's your problem, you're wanting to play as a human. If you want to play a man, play a Dwarf. Do dwarfs have good options for shoulder and back hair? Bear pride forever. I haven't seen much discussion on the body hair side of things, I don't think there's too many options for it. But plenty of beard options though which is much better than the twoish we got in BG3.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 24, 2024 0:36:50 GMT
So looked through here to see if anyone posted Kala's Qunari video and since no one has...
So I think that is pretty official at this point.
You can make tall and not stumpy Rooks.
You can make rugged looking Rooks and particularly rugged looking Qunari.
You can make Rooks with big butts.
Haven't really still seen too manny big chested Rooks, I guess, but given the other three are fairly easily shown in there I wouldn't be the lest bit surprised.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 24, 2024 0:41:24 GMT
I don't expect an answer here but this is still worth noting...very typical of the kind of reporting I usually see from Kotaku. Like I can forgive some gamers for not understanding how these things would work and that there will be a lot of natural limitations with engine, technology, and other resources if you want to make a Rook that works with it. But journalists should know better. Like sure, you can't create the character you personally want to, neither can I and honestly don't think the options are going to match any of our ideal visions, but can we not appreciate how much of an improvement this is? Can we acknowledge that BioWare likely does not have any malicious motivations for making the chocies they make? Like BioWare of all people. And that the lack of options are probably due to technical issues?
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Post by trengilly on Sept 24, 2024 1:14:19 GMT
You know there is some irony that not only has this thread lasted eleven pages...well done everyone, seriously....but also that the same people who are complaining about not having enough options are also doing a lot of complaining about not having the breast surgery scars, IE a different set of options. Like I get it but there are also a lot of reasons those would exist in setting beyond just the trans issue. I don't believe a single person in this thread has argued against the top surgery scars. Nut jobs on youtube sure. But not here. But it is this kind of BS, accusing each side of being way more extreme than they are, is why we can't have civilized discussions.
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Post by Element Zero on Sept 24, 2024 1:14:48 GMT
So looked through here to see if anyone posted Kala's Qunari video and since no one has... So I think that is pretty official at this point. You can make tall and not stumpy Rooks. You can make rugged looking Rooks and particularly rugged looking Qunari. You can make Rooks with big butts. Haven't really still seen too manny big chested Rooks, I guess, but given the other three are fairly easily shown in there I wouldn't be the lest bit surprised. I'm not so confident. In this video, or the one linked to it, she explicitly comments that she felt like she couldn't create a character who wasn't stumpy. We'll see when it releases. It's not lessening my enthusiasm to play, but everyone definitely looks weird to me. It's cool to know I'm not alone in that, I guess. I don't expect them to "fix" something like head-to-body ratio via patches, but maybe they'll de-glow the obnoxious and overly present UI? The latter feels like a realistic Patch #1 feature, as I'm very confident that complaints about it will be abundant.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 24, 2024 1:15:26 GMT
You know there is some irony that not only has this thread lasted eleven pages...well done everyone, seriously....but also that the same people who are complaining about not having enough options are also doing a lot of complaining about not having the breast surgery scars, IE a different set of options. Like I get it but there are also a lot of reasons those would exist in setting beyond just the trans issue. I don't believe a single person in this thread has argued against the top surgery scars. Nut jobs on youtube sure. But not here. But it is this kind of BS, accusing each side of being way more extreme than they are, is why we can't have civilized discussions. I thought I saw it here and there and from the OP but if you are right then I do appologize.
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