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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 9:35:33 GMT
How is Isabela to old but Morrigan and Varric isn't? Morrigan Has take an anti-aging treatment from Mythal. Varric is to headstrong to leave the world by it's own and get heavly wounded for that. I don't know how old pirats can get before they have to leave the ship, but i allways thought Isabela longs for more. A home people that love her and so on.
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Don't see how being a measly 51 yrs old makes her too old to appear or lead the LoF. I don't know maybe it is my prejudice that people working hard on a ship should retired at some point.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 9:38:46 GMT
Maybe I'm the weird one here, but I thought the Well of Sorrows choice was resolved with Inquisition. I did initially feel this way too. *** Since I keep seeing criticism on the number of choices just how many choices would people consider acceptable? I only need the choices from the people that are in game: Varric, Morrigan, Solas and Harding. And would be also okay if they wouldn't have been in the game. But haveing them and my choices doesn't do anything, even not an explanition that is sad.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 28, 2024 9:45:03 GMT
I saw someone on the internet salty that the choices had been communicated after pre-orders. Surely the only people who care about this are committed Dragon Age fans whose pre-orders are kind of baked in? And whilst the outcome seems practical to me, is the news, to those who are disappointed, of DA support ending levels?
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Post by Reznore on Sept 28, 2024 9:58:03 GMT
I saw someone on the internet salty that the choices had been communicated after pre-orders. Surely the only people who care about this are committed Dragon Age fans whose pre-orders are kind of baked in? And whilst the outcome seems practical to me, is the news, to those who are disappointed, of DA support ending levels? Truth is most of their customers are people who are never finishing those games, they also probably have data about the Keep and how much it was used.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 28, 2024 11:08:19 GMT
I saw someone on the internet salty that the choices had been communicated after pre-orders. That someone doesn't seem aware that pre-orders can be cancelled. Next someone will finish the game and won't like the ending and complain BioWare should have told them how it ended before release "without spoiling" so they wouldn't have bought the game (I've seen that behavior before).
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 28, 2024 11:09:12 GMT
they also probably have data We know the majority of Mass Effect 3 players never met Wrex because they didn't import a prior save.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 28, 2024 11:11:24 GMT
I saw someone on the internet salty that the choices had been communicated after pre-orders. Surely the only people who care about this are committed Dragon Age fans whose pre-orders are kind of baked in? And whilst the outcome seems practical to me, is the news, to those who are disappointed, of DA support ending levels? Truth is most of their customers are people who are never finishing those games, they also probably have data about the Keep and how much it was used. Since less than 40% of buyers finish RPGs, I think DAI was at like 32% (and that doesn't even include Trespasser), the majority of buyers have a vague idea of how things went, but can't really be bothered by the limited choice imports. I'm actually wondering how many are complaining about it, but never actualy finished DAI and their plan was just to use the Keep to pretend that they did?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 28, 2024 11:25:02 GMT
I think you and someone other made the mistake and only looking if a character comes or not. But these characters or events can still be mentioned in dialogues and / or codex entries. If the Orzammar decision aka Harrowmont or Bhelen is still be referenced in the Orlaisian Winter Palace in DAI years after i don´t see any reason why this shouldn´t be the case in Veilguard. And the DAO Hero of Ferelden not important if still alive? We are coming to Weisshaupt and there is no mention of him / her the most well known Warden of this (Dragon) Age? Same goes for King Alistair. Do i believe that he would have shown before this news? No but i always had assumed that would atleast be mentioned like in the Trespasser DLC. You are right. For some stupid reason this was underline and not strike through because the Dog is long dead. So of course this shouldn´t in Veilguard. Why? Don´t you think that should been adressed in DAI first? Because it wasn´t. I believe the only importance is that Morrigan for obviously good reason speaks badly of the Warden. And to be fair the scene in Witch Hunt i never believe back then that Morrigan was really dead. You don´t kill a character like Morrigan in some random DLC!
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Post by dagless on Sept 28, 2024 11:28:34 GMT
One of the better examples of choices carrying over in Inquisition was in Grey Warden storyline with Hawke. Hawke is always there but you get Stroud, Alistair or Loghain depending on your choices in Origins. Hawke and Alistair is quite brutal, IMO.
They are very Bioware choices, in that neither the previous choice or the one at the end affect the game world or the rest of the story at all, but they do determine the fate of characters. Mass Effect had lots of choices along those lines. Some might have had big consequences for the world/galaxy, but you don’t see much change in game apart from which characters are still around and the dialogue with them.
I suspect this will be similar. With the few choices from Inquisition being there mainly to wrap up the Inquisitor’s story, rather than have a big impact on the game world or main plot.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 28, 2024 11:36:32 GMT
Possibly, but why would she be in Tevinter? Is she was the Inquisitor's love interest, that's another matter. Why not? Sera was in Minrathous between DAI and Trespasser for some reason. So why can´t Sera in Minrathous show up in Minrathous 10 years later? Sera is one of characters you should never write of. She as a Red Jenny could appear anywhere.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 28, 2024 11:46:27 GMT
No to many fates and too many faces. Bethany and Carver will forever be just DA 2 characters and won´t show in any future game. But they could be mentioned.
Kissing Tallis or not is some important. Not
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 28, 2024 11:48:35 GMT
Sera is one of characters you should never write of. Ha. True enough.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 13:49:12 GMT
I think you and someone other made the mistake and only looking if a character comes or not. I don't think that it is a mistake. If Bioware cut a lot of choices my minimum would be choices of character that show up. So i could cut my list even more so that only Varric, Harding, Morrigan and Solas remain. Because that are the character we know come back.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 13:51:58 GMT
But these characters or events can still be mentioned in dialogues and / or codex entries. But Bioware said they want in game consequences instead of this. So i going with their wish and only show what is importent with what they decided.
Edit: i don´t see any reason why this shouldn´t be the case in Veilguard.
Because they want the resources for in-game consequences. Someone musst write all of it and if mentioned VA cost money.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 28, 2024 14:25:42 GMT
Well you need to make your sarcasm more apparent. Without facial or vocal expressions people can’t tell sarcasm on the internet. End with a emoji.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 14:32:19 GMT
To watch this is so sad:
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 28, 2024 14:50:29 GMT
I wonder how much of a pain in the ass recreating my Inq's face is going to be. I'll probably spend more time in her CC than Rook's.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 28, 2024 14:59:04 GMT
Yeah I didn't realize Jackdaw was avoiding spoilers (maybe it is ok for me to watch his videos again). That's some bad timing with that one though. Ouch.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 28, 2024 15:21:55 GMT
But Bioware said they want in game consequences instead of this. So i going with their wish and only show what is importent with what they decided.
Because they want the resources for in-game consequences. Someone musst write all of it and if mentioned VA cost money.
What!?! That´s a weird and sorry stupid argument. So yeah i clearly don´t care what Bioware wants for Veilguard now because first i find it lazy as hell and a terrible decision on their part and second i use obviously the last game aka Inquistion and also DA 2 as a basic for this kind of listing and speculation. Last to but not least yeah i guess some people won´t miss this minor stuff but for most players who import their choices those are minor consequences are what Dragon Age and their playthroughs unique. Edit: Kiran is not a major game consequence (anymore) nor would he return in Veilguard in the first place but Morrigan is back so clearly in her dialogue she should mention that she has son without coming that in details into was he is currently doing.
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Post by sentinel87 on Sept 28, 2024 15:30:08 GMT
I've been thinking about this some more. I wouldn't hold my breath on this, but I think Bioware can alleviate some of the problems post launch.
Additional worldstate choices could be added to the character creator. Different codex entries or letters could be added throughout the game referencing these choices.
I'm not really optimistic because first they'd have to admit the problem. Then take time to work on it. They did with ME3, but I think they are sour over that. Ironic since with DAI they gave us the little epilogue feast at the end because of the ME3 outcry.
A concern that has been increasingly growing with DAV is that Bioware wants to tell us a story rather then allow us to roleplay and continue the DA universe we've been building since DAO. I've always viewed Thedas as the main character in a way that I bring along from title to title. It bugs me to no end that virtually everyone's world at the start of DAV is going to be identical. It's the fourth title in a series, not the first.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 15:40:10 GMT
He is really mad. And this shows exectly why people canceling their pre-order.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 28, 2024 15:41:20 GMT
A concern that has been increasingly growing with DAV is that Bioware wants to tell us a story rather then allow us to roleplay and continue the DA universe we've been building since DAO. I've always viewed Thedas as the main character in a way that I bring along from title to title. It bugs me to no end that virtually everyone's world at the start of DAV is going to be identical. It's the fourth title in a series, not the first. I have no problem with Andromeda aka new galaxy. If they want to do their new complete story without to acknowledge the previous games that much i am totally on board but they can´t help themselves and have use characters we are know and characters who are out of a sudden related to previous character. Let say i couldn´t less about Zaeed son Bain and Conrads sister Cassandra.
So yeah don´t use characters like Varric, Harding and Inquisitor plus make a much bigger time jump. Maybe 50 years or even more.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 28, 2024 15:44:41 GMT
But Bioware said they want in game consequences instead of this. So i going with their wish and only show what is importent with what they decided.
Because they want the resources for in-game consequences. Someone musst write all of it and if mentioned VA cost money.
What!?! That´s a weird and sorry stupid argument. So yeah i clearly don´t care what Bioware wants for Veilguard now because first i find it lazy as hell and a terrible decision on their part and second i use obviously the last game aka Inquistion and also DA 2 as a basic for this kind of listing and speculation. Last to but not least yeah i guess some people won´t miss this minor stuff but for most players who import their choices those are minor consequences are what Dragon Age and their playthroughs unique. Edit: Kiran is not a major game consequence (anymore) nor would he return in Veilguard in the first place but Morrigan is back so clearly in her dialogue she should mention that she has son without coming that in details into was he is currently doing.
I know what you mean and i will tell you what i said a lot even to Darrah. Consequences over games can help if the story and game isn't perfekt (DAI) Now Da:TVs story has to be the best ever made with a lot of big in game consequences to make up for it. Only then this game will not crash.
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Post by sloth on Sept 28, 2024 16:00:17 GMT
I've been thinking about this some more. I wouldn't hold my breath on this, but I think Bioware can alleviate some of the problems post launch. Additional worldstate choices could be added to the character creator. Different codex entries or letters could be added throughout the game referencing these choices. I'm not really optimistic because first they'd have to admit the problem. Then take time to work on it. They did with ME3, but I think they are sour over that. Ironic since with DAI they gave us the little epilogue feast at the end because of the ME3 outcry. A concern that has been increasingly growing with DAV is that Bioware wants to tell us a story rather then allow us to roleplay and continue the DA universe we've been building since DAO. I've always viewed Thedas as the main character in a way that I bring along from title to title. It bugs me to no end that virtually everyone's world at the start of DAV is going to be identical. It's the fourth title in a series, not the first. yep! I remember how pissed I was that they barely mentioned the Warden in DA:I, when I read that codex I was "wait! that's it?!" Little did I know that it could be worse, and the Hero of Ferelden could not even be mentioned in a single letter now, I don't think the developers think this is a problem, unfortunately... They already addressed this and, can't really remember the words but, by what they said, what they are doing should be enough to feel like "this is still your DA", which I strongly disagree
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Post by sloth on Sept 28, 2024 16:07:43 GMT
I saw someone on the internet salty that the choices had been communicated after pre-orders. Surely the only people who care about this are committed Dragon Age fans whose pre-orders are kind of baked in? And whilst the outcome seems practical to me, is the news, to those who are disappointed, of DA support ending levels? well, I'm still pre-ordering the game DA is my favorite franchise, 10 years waiting, could not see myself not playing this game on launch that said, in my opinion, of all the controversies that popped up in the last weeks, this is the only one that made me worry. Really wished that the complains about the CC would focus on this issue (which I understand is not an issue to everybody) I feel like, apart from not being able to control party members and reducing the size of the party from 4 to 3, this is the most non-DA thing they could do
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